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CrownPrincessJava 06-06-2021 08:09 PM

Congrats to the Sussexes! I'm not overly fond of the name "Lilibet", but I can understand the meaning behind it. I'm overjoyed that Lili, Archie, Meghan and Harry are safe, healthy and enjoying the new bundle of life.

Emme 06-06-2021 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alison H (Post 2405767)
Yes, the 90s are so-named because of Prince Harry, but the name would probably have gone back out by now if it weren't for Harry Kane, And Harry Styles from One Direction :-) . The story about Prince Harry was that Diana didn't like the name Henry, so the compromise was that Henry would be his official name but that he'd be known as Harry.


I think the Queen suggested Beatrice. And then maybe they thought the name Eugenie went well with Beatrice, as it was the name of the first Beatrice's daughter ... although the previous Eugenie was known as Ena.

Ah, for some reason I thought Ena was a nickname for Victoria’s daughter Helena.

Curryong 06-06-2021 08:19 PM

No, Helena’s nickname was Lenchen. Beatrice, Ena’s mother, was Queen Victoria’s youngest child. Her daughter Victoria Eugenie (after the Empress Eugenie) became Ena, later Queen of Spain.

caethi 06-06-2021 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by moby (Post 2405807)
Congratulations to the Sussexes. May the new birth bring healing to them and be a catalyst for reconciliation with Harry’s birth family.

My first reaction when finding out the name was to cringe. I find the choices strange, and I agree with those who think it’s laying it on thick, highlighting their royal connection—much needed now for their brand than when Archie was born.

Lili is an adorable name though. Lilibet not so much.


I wish the Sussexes health and happiness. I also cringed when I heard the name "Lilibet." We can never know what the Queen thinks of this, and she loves her grandson and his family. The name, however, clearly emphasizes their link to the monarchy. I can hear them now, however: "We wanted to honour the Queen, not as the Queen, but as Harry's beloved grandmother." Of course they have a right to name their child anything they wish. Perhaps they truly lack self-awareness, and didn't realize how some might react to the name. The fact that they chose to emphasize the fact that they are close to the Queen doesn't have to be a cynical ploy. Given their behaviour to date, however, I tend to believe that they were fully aware of the ramifications of the name, but that is something else we will never know.One thing is clear, however; they appear to have no idea what it truly means to "honour" the Queen.

Royalist.in.NC 06-06-2021 08:23 PM

Ok, I posted this on 6-2. I was really thinking “Lily”.....

I agree! And since Archie has two names, the baby girl will also have two names as well - no more. I cannot see them naming her after anyone in either family except Diana . I read somewhere that once upon a time Harry was somewhere where he met a “Lily” and he liked the name and asked how it was spelled. This may appeal to Meghan as her dad (before he became persona non grata ) called her “Flower” as a child, did he not?

Emme 06-06-2021 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2405814)
No, Helena’s nickname was Lenchen. Beatrice, Ena’s mother, was Queen Victoria’s youngest child. Her daughter Victoria Eugenie (after the Empress Eugenie) became Ena, later Queen of Spain.

I get all of those Victoria children and grandchildren mixed up!:lol:

Curryong 06-06-2021 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Emme (Post 2405817)
I get all of those Victoria children and grandchildren mixed up!:lol:

No wonder, there are dozens of them!

Kataryn 06-06-2021 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2405673)
I'd say more a way of "proving" how intimate they are with the queen (In spite of her apparent shortcomings as a parent). Like they told how she got Archie a waffle iron and that Philip cuts off calls by closing the computer.. Its all to say that they are intimate with the RF....


Well, they are!

Emme 06-06-2021 08:39 PM

Much discussion here of Doria, and her being honored in the choice of name.

I am Jewish, and we name children in honor of a relative who has passed. Interestingly, oftentimes the baby’s name will just have the first initial (which helps Moishe become Mark). My youngest has the exact name of his great great grandfather, it’s become a very trendy name again. My other children honor past relatives with first initial only.

So, perhaps the “D” in Diana honors both Doria and Diana - both grandmothers with one name.

Sandy345 06-06-2021 08:45 PM

I think the child will be called Lily not Lilibet by her parents and brother and also in the media. So I don't think it is an issue that the full name is Lilibet. Her cousins have unusual names like Isla and Savannah.

Car8007 06-06-2021 08:58 PM

I think it's a sweet name, I'm sure the queen is delighted and of course Harry and Meghan ran it by her first. As for Doria being overlooked, I wasn't named after my only grandmother either, but I remember her with love and affection.

fandesacs2003 06-06-2021 09:10 PM

Since they announced that they were expecting a girl, i was thinking to Elisabeth-Diana. I should have beat (...)
Lili is very pretty and Diana of course. I come from a country it is almost obvious to give to kids their grandparents names.. and it was almost obvious for Diana's sons to honor their mother. Maybe William chose not to do for politically correct reasons...also might have been odd to have a little princess Diana..
but Harry..obvious.
As for to add Élisabeth..to honor the Queen.. especially after the last events (their departure +prince Philip's loss) obvious also...
Globally very good choice.
All my wishes to the little girl and her family.

MaryVirginia 06-06-2021 09:41 PM

Congratulations to the Sussex's:) The birth of baby is always happy news. I am sure she is adorable:)

kalnel 06-06-2021 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LaBettie (Post 2405791)
On H&M’s engagement announcement, both Henry and Harry were used. On the Queen’s consent, it was Henry C.A.D. and Rachel Meghan. On H&M’s wedding invite it was Henry and Meghan. On Archie’s birth certificate it was Henry C.A.D. and Rachel Meghan.

So Harry knows that Henry has to be used sometimes.

Don't forget that Archie's birth certificate was changed many months later to erase the name "Rachel Meghan" and to insert "Prince" in front of Harry's name.

Nothing is ever as it seems with these people.

Frelinghighness 06-06-2021 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavs (Post 2405527)
Glad she's been born safely and mum and baby are well. But wow with the name.

For two people who really claim to hate everything about the family and have spent the last year trying to destroy everything HM holds dear, they're laying it on really thick and not in a good way. It's also a little presumptuous to use a private family nickname unless you've asked permission and I kind of doubt they had.

Not surprised about Diana of course.

Yes laying it on thick and using the queens nickname is really aggressive

LaBettie 06-06-2021 10:09 PM

Saw somewhere that the domain lilibetdiana.com was registered on June 4. Is that H&M? It was registered by the same Arizona company that registered sussexroyal.com, sussexroyal.org, archewell.com, archewell.org.

Interestingly, lilibetdiana.org was registered today June 6 by a college apartment in Oregon?

Can we check if they registered or trademarked anything else?

MARG 06-06-2021 10:20 PM

:previous: Silly me, I thought the birth of a beautiful, healthy, baby was a cause for joy, celebration and congratulations. Welcome to the world Lili, and best wished for her big brother and parents.

As a note, William and Harry grew up around people who called their Granny "Lilibet", as an aunt and as a beloved niece, to cousins, second cousins, etc. In private I think they heard the name Lilibet far more than Elizabeth.

In my neck of the woods, naming a child after someone you love and have been close to your whole life is a gift of love, not exploitation. Kindness people. Just a little peace, love and kindness can make the world we live in a much more beautiful place.

Biset 06-06-2021 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MARG (Post 2405834)
:previous: Silly me, I thought the birth of a beautiful, healthy, baby was a cause for joy, celebration and congratulations. Welcome to the world Lili, and best wished for her big brother and parents.

As a note, William and Harry grew up around people who called their Granny "Lilibet", as an aunt and as a beloved niece, to cousins, second cousins, etc. In private I think they heard the name Lilibet far more than Elizabeth.

In my neck of the woods, naming a child after someone you love and have been close to your whole life is a gift of love, not exploitation. Kindness people. Just a little peace, love and kindness can make the world we live in a much more beautiful place.

Too bad Harry and Meghan forgot to show kindness to his family when his grandfather was dying or when Charles and the queen was grieving. But hey they named her Lilibet. I guess that’s all the kindness they need.

lea 06-06-2021 10:57 PM

Didn’t The Duchess of York say that the Queen was the most forgiving person she knew? It’s possible the Queen as a grandmother has forgiven and is even concerned about Harry. She seems to have the ability to keep family and the family business separate. After all, the Duke of York put the family business in an awkward situation so she removed him, but he also remains a much loved member of her family.

I think it’s a tribute and a meaningful, adorable name, and I wish them all the best. I do hope Harry can move on from the past and build the kind of happy home life he wants for his family. He might find it easier to do so if he learned forgiveness from his grandmother.

CrownPrincessJava 06-06-2021 11:08 PM

Here's a question: what is technically Lili's style? Is she The Lady Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor?


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