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Jacknch 04-06-2021 12:00 PM

The Duke & Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 4: April-June 2021
 
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Lee-Z 04-06-2021 12:20 PM

Archewell.com anouncement
https://archewell.com/news/heart-of-invictus/

Created by The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to produce programming that informs, elevates, and inspires,*Archewell Productions*has announced its first Netflix series,*Heart of Invictus, which will be produced and launched in partnership with*The Invictus Games Foundation.

SLV 04-06-2021 12:37 PM

Sounds like a very interesting and useful program.

QueenMathilde 04-06-2021 12:42 PM

New pictures of Harry over Easter.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...chside-photos/

ACO 04-06-2021 12:52 PM

Really exciting for Invictus Games. I had a feeling that they would be involved in one of his projects for Netflix. What an amazing way to highlight the organization and athletes. Really looking forward to seeing this series.

yukari 04-06-2021 02:16 PM

Interesting ... Considering last year he filed legal complaint against The Times for the article by Roya Nikkhah about the cancellation of the charity fundraiser because of his Netflix deal. (The article mentions something about "a conflict over a planned deal with a rival streaming service" – the event was to be streamed by Amazon). Was this already in the plan, thus the legal complaint?

Note:
This is the article I'm referring: Harry and Meghan’s Netflix deal scuppers Invictus bash (archive: https://archive.ph/9QdhM). It still up with no correction whatsoever other than a note of "This article is the subject of a legal complaint from the Duke of Sussex"

ACO 04-06-2021 02:24 PM

IIRC Harry put out a statement saying that the event was canceled due to the pandemic which, ya know, makes sense. Seems the Times was jumping on a connection. No one was having galas and still not having them. The games has been postponed twice.

They now have a deal with Netflix for a documentary series. I don't see how it connects to Amazon streaming a fundraiser event. Not to mention Harry has a series on Apple+ coming out too. If that doesn't conflict why would Amazon's one night only event?

Heavs 04-06-2021 02:53 PM

That's good. Nothing too surprising, Harry has been involved in several "Lead up to Invictus" or the "Importance of Invictus" documentaries before. The only difference this time is that it is commercial.

I wonder if the next one will be on Sentebele?

poppy7 04-06-2021 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavs (Post 2387238)
That's good. Nothing too surprising, Harry has been involved in several "Lead up to Invictus" or the "Importance of Invictus" documentaries before. The only difference this time is that it is commercial.

I wonder if the next one will be on Sentebele?

Yeah there have been loads and about Sentebele too. Good look with it. I hope it can be held next year.

Curryong 04-06-2021 06:05 PM

So glad to read that Invictus is going to be the focus of Harry’s first doco-series for Netflix. Its an impressive and worthy cause, and one that has been close to Harry’s heart from the beginning. The competitors overcome tremendous obstacles, physical and mental, to compete at the Games, and its great that it will all be documented this time.

poppy7 04-06-2021 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2387278)
So glad to read that Invictus is going to be the focus of Harry’s first doco-series for Netflix. Its an impressive and worthy cause, and one that has been close to Harry’s heart from the beginning. The competitors overcome tremendous obstacles, physical and mental, to compete at the Games, and its great that it will all be documented this time.

There has been loads of these programmes. All very worthy but I don't think I will learn anything new from it.

I am of the opinion that once the BBC do docs on things there is literally no point. And I dont like Netflix documentaries except the one about the murdered nun.

Osipi 04-06-2021 06:29 PM

I can think of so many ways they can expand the Invictus Games into a documentary series and make it interesting to watch. Normally, the public is only made aware of the actual games (which has been put on the back burner due to the pandemic) but actually the planning and the training goes on every single day and some of the stories of the athletes, themselves, are totally amazing.

I think Archewell Productions have hit on a winner here. I'd definitely watch it.

poppy7 04-06-2021 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 2387285)
I can think of so many ways they can expand the Invictus Games into a documentary series and make it interesting to watch. Normally, the public is only made aware of the actual games (which has been put on the back burner due to the pandemic) but actually the planning and the training goes on every single day and some of the stories of the athletes, themselves, are totally amazing.

I think Archewell Productions have hit on a winner here. I'd definitely watch it.

It's a common documentary topic. Following athletes journeys to big competitions. Following putting on events. It isn't reinventing the wheel.

One of the best I was Steve Redgraves 4 year journey to 5th Olympic gold.

Heavs 04-06-2021 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 2387285)
I can think of so many ways they can expand the Invictus Games into a documentary series and make it interesting to watch. Normally, the public is only made aware of the actual games (which has been put on the back burner due to the pandemic) but actually the planning and the training goes on every single day and some of the stories of the athletes, themselves, are totally amazing.

I think Archewell Productions have hit on a winner here. I'd definitely watch it.

The BBC and (other broadcasters) does "Road to Invictus" docs every time the games are hosted usually with Harry participating, showing athletes training and the selection process along with how they got injured. The used to have segments on Breakfast as well.

In 2016 he even got HM and the Obamas involved:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuNcSp2T4Lw

This was from the games that were supposed to happen in 2020:

https://watch.insight.tv/i-am-invincible

I'm sure this will be a worthy documentary and they might well find a fresh way to do it, but it's not particularly new ground, just commercialised. It may well have picked because Harry was comfortable with it and already knows how to do it, rather than launching in to something brand new.

Osipi 04-06-2021 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppy7 (Post 2387288)
It's a common documentary topic. Following athletes journeys to big competitions. Following putting on events. It isn't reinventing the wheel.

One of the best I was Steve Redgraves 4 year journey to 5th Olympic gold.

I bet it'd include Jon Bon Jovi doing "Unbroken". Any publicity these Invictus Games get, no matter from what corner, is for a very worthy cause. The Invictus Games actually started out to be a one time thing but very quickly expanded as the value of the games and their impact on the athletes and all that are involved in them became a reality.

poppy7 04-06-2021 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 2387293)
I bet it'd include Jon Bon Jovi doing "Unbroken". Any publicity these Invictus Games get, no matter from what corner, is for a very worthy cause. The Invictus Games actually started out to be a one time thing but very quickly expanded as the value of the games and their impact on the athletes and all that are involved in them became a reality.

It's a very worthy thing. Probably the best thing Harry will ever do and if course given his nonroyalness the BBC are unlikely to promote it going forward so it is good to get the publicity but the series won't be out for over a year yet maybe 2. What are they doing in the meantime?

But i still don't think anyone does this better than the BBC

TLLK 04-06-2021 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACO (Post 2387226)
Really exciting for Invictus Games. I had a feeling that they would be involved in one of his projects for Netflix. What an amazing way to highlight the organization and athletes. Really looking forward to seeing this series.

IMHO this is a worthy choice for their Netflix project. Looking forward to the finished project.

Eskimo 04-06-2021 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee-Z (Post 2387220)
Archewell.com anouncement
https://archewell.com/news/heart-of-invictus/

Created by The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to produce programming that informs, elevates, and inspires,*Archewell Productions*has announced its first Netflix series,*Heart of Invictus, which will be produced and launched in partnership with*The Invictus Games Foundation.

I honestly believe that his championing of the Invictus Games was a big reason for his popularity. Hopefully, doing this helps him in the same way again.

yukari 04-06-2021 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACO (Post 2387236)
IIRC Harry put out a statement saying that the event was canceled due to the pandemic which, ya know, makes sense. Seems the Times was jumping on a connection. No one was having galas and still not having them. The games has been postponed twice.

They now have a deal with Netflix for a documentary series. I don't see how it connects to Amazon streaming a fundraiser event. Not to mention Harry has a series on Apple+ coming out too. If that doesn't conflict why would Amazon's one night only event?

Actually this is the last paragraph of that article:
Quote:

An Invictus spokesman said: “The event was shelved because the primary revenue generator was ticket sales from a live concert in Los Angeles in the spring of 2021. Given current circumstances with Covid, the event needed to be reconceptualised. This was an independent decision made prior to a partnership with Netflix. The duke remains committed as ever to the Invictus Games.”
I'm not saying that it's wrong for him to do it with Netflix nor that he shouldn't. I think it's good if he can do some collaboration with both Netflix Amazon (like William and Earthshot Prize; docu with ITV and the event with bbc). When it's for charity purpose, more publicity is a good thing.

Moran 04-06-2021 09:52 PM

Interesting. I hope all goes well. It looks rather promising.


But I'm more interested in what they're planning to do now. I mean, it's a worthy cause and all but the Games are taking place next year, so the earliest time the docu can appear is sometime in 2022. What are they going to do before this?

EllieCat 04-06-2021 11:06 PM

Quote:

What are they going to do before this?
Maternity/Paternity leave :smile:

Osipi 04-06-2021 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Moran (Post 2387318)
Interesting. I hope all goes well. It looks rather promising.


But I'm more interested in what they're planning to do now. I mean, it's a worthy cause and all but the Games are taking place next year, so the earliest time the docu can appear is sometime in 2022. What are they going to do before this?

It takes time to put it all together. Traveling to sets, filming, editing etc. It will be an ongoing project until the finished product airs on Netflix. Harry won't have to be involved in every step of the way but I imagine he'll want to be kept informed of everything going into the documentary series.

AC21091968 04-07-2021 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee-Z (Post 2387220)
Archewell.com anouncement
https://archewell.com/news/heart-of-invictus/

Created by The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to produce programming that informs, elevates, and inspires,*Archewell Productions*has announced its first Netflix series,*Heart of Invictus, which will be produced and launched in partnership with*The Invictus Games Foundation.

Very good and worthy choice of focusing on Invictus Games in the upcoming Netflix documentary, Heart of Invictus. It's great that the documentary will show the competitors' journey from their military services to the Invictus Games in 2022.

Quote:

Heart of Invictus is a multi-episode production that will spotlight a group of extraordinary Invictus Games competitors from around the globe—members of the military community who have experienced life-changing injuries or illnesses—on their road to Invictus Games The Hague 2020, which is now taking place in 2022, due to necessary rescheduling from the COVID-19 pandemic.

lirienn 04-07-2021 12:52 PM

It's ok but honestly they're cashing in on the royal status of Harry. 100% of his appeal belongs ironically to the Crown.

Fijiro 04-07-2021 05:12 PM

I'm looking forward to The Heart of Invictus docu-series.

I really enjoyed watching Raising Phoenix.

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Queen Ester 04-08-2021 03:41 PM

To be honest, I am not sure how popular this series will be in the USA, people are so tired of bad news here, that they will probably choose a light comedy instead

tihkon2 04-08-2021 05:58 PM

Will be interesting to see if the Invictus show does well.

AC21091968 04-08-2021 06:05 PM

I'm not quite sure if this is too late to the discussion. There was a Telegraph article (published on 2nd April 2021) suggesting that Harry & Meghan were in talks with Quibi, now-defunct streaming service rival to YouTube from early 2019 to January 2020. There was lucrative amount of money involved, in what I could describe as. This revelation to some extent contradicts “didn’t have a plan” upon leaving the Royal family as senior working royals. The article itself is very long.

Harry and Meghan were in talks with video platform a year before ‘Megxit’
The Telegraph has learned the Duke and Duchess of Sussex had discussions with the now defunct Quibi service from early 2019
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...m-year-megxit/

Archived link to the full article: https://archive.ph/tnH9M

Jacknch 04-08-2021 06:09 PM

A number of posts debating/discussing whether or not the Royal Family are racist have been deleted. Whilst it is acknowledged that the question of racism within the Royal Family was precipitated by remarks made by the Sussexes in the Oprah interview, the debate/discussion goes beyond the purpose of the thread.

poppy7 04-08-2021 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AC21091968 (Post 2387677)
I'm not quite sure if this is too late to the discussion. There was a Telegraph article (published on 2nd April 20201) suggesting that Harry & Meghan were in talks with Quibi, now-defunct streaming service rival to YouTube from early 2019 to January 2020. There was lucrative amount of money involved, in what I could describe as. This revelation to some extent contradicts “didn’t have a plan” upon leaving the Royal family as senior working royals. The article itself is very long.

Harry and Meghan were in talks with video platform a year before ‘Megxit’
The Telegraph has learned the Duke and Duchess of Sussex had discussions with the now defunct Quibi service from early 2019
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...m-year-megxit/

Archived link to the full article: https://archive.ph/tnH9M

Given I hadn't heard of this video channel before today I am not surprised it failed. Harry and Meghan were just unsuited to royal life. I think Meghan saw it as eternal fame. The Mecca of fame. So did Grace Kelly.

Somebody 04-08-2021 07:42 PM

This mainly confirms that 'earning a professional income' was indeed one of the major drivers for the couple. As was clear from their initial statement and subsequent decisions.

And it makes some sense that the American foursome that Meghan relied on didn't really understand her new role - probably other than: "you are now world-famous", so how can we use that to the best of your and our advantage. But was Harry so desperate that he just went along with whatever was put forward?

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Multiple sources in the UK and US have confirmed that the Duchess continued to consult her lawyer Rick Genow, her business manager Andrew Meyer and her talent agent Nick Collins, during her time in the Royal family (...) Another key figure who remained in her sphere of external advisers throughout was Keleigh Thomas Morgan of PR firm Sunshine Sachs

(...)

Holed up in a multi-million pound mansion on Vancouver Island over Christmas 2019, the couple are understood to have masterminded their departure from the Royal family with the help of Mr Genow, Mr Meyer, Mr Collins and Ms Thomas Morgan.
Sounds rather problematic and exactly the same behavior as they still show by for example 'did they truly expect us not to talk' (suggesting that suddenly the BRF is naïve instead of Meghan; and yes, of course they did, that is part of the mores of the royal family):
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There was a constant dialogue from the couple along the lines of: “Why can’t we do this? You can’t stop us from doing what we want to do".
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Meghan was the one controlling the timing of announcements, and doing a lot of the planning,” said one source. “She had a grid and was plotting the cadence and order in which all of their plans would come to fruition. There was a sense that Meghan thought she knew what was best for them.”

ACO 04-08-2021 08:34 PM

Except it wasn't even going to be for income. It was going to be a project with the money going to a charity. They didn't approach the company. The other way around and they also didn't go forward with it after hearing their pitch.

Frankly I don't see how it would have been different than some of the partnerships the other royals have done promoting various initiatives.

Sandy345 04-08-2021 09:39 PM

Anything that honors Veterans is OK with me.

Denville 04-09-2021 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Queen Ester (Post 2387641)
To be honest, I am not sure how popular this series will be in the USA, people are so tired of bad news here, that they will probably choose a light comedy instead

I suppose it is "worthy" and inspiring but I agree that in present times, people are more likely to want to watch someting funny or entertaining...

Moran 04-09-2021 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lirienn (Post 2387418)
It's ok but honestly they're cashing in on the royal status of Harry. 100% of his appeal belongs ironically to the Crown.

Definitely. In fact, he's doing the same thing he used to do but this time for Netflix and not the Crown.


Everybody is free to make their own choices but this far, I see no great change, only that this time their money for the same thing came from another source which would not have taken him if he wasn't Prince Henry, the Duke of Sussex.


I hope that the people who watch such programs want to see it this time either. Netflix is nothing if not savvy with its deals and partners.

Denville 04-09-2021 07:22 AM

I dont think that when H left, Charles would be expecting his staff to deal with Harry.. He was no longer a working royal and Im sure that C saw him as his son that he loved but had to deal wit himself. But if Harry was ringing up and asking for money or for money to keep on coming indefinitely, I think that Charles would have said "don't call me again until you're prepared to do something for yourself..."

QueenMathilde 04-09-2021 07:31 AM

I wonder if they'll go to Prince Philip's funeral.

Denville 04-09-2021 07:32 AM

Meghan is probably too pregnant to fly.. so possiblly not

poppy7 04-09-2021 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2387795)
I dont think that when H left, Charles would be expecting his staff to deal with Harry.. He was no longer a working royal and Im sure that C saw him as his son that he loved but had to deal wit himself. But if Harry was ringing up and asking for money or for money to keep on coming indefinitely, I think that Charles would have said "don't call me again until you're prepared to do something for yourself..."

I think Harry didn't understand the boundaries and probably kept nagging about the work issues.

poppy7 04-09-2021 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QueenMathilde (Post 2387805)
I wonder if they'll go to Prince Philip's funeral.

Don't think so. I don't know what the current rules are on numbers...as he will be buried following loosening restrictions on Monday.

Denville 04-09-2021 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppy7 (Post 2387817)
I think Harry didn't understand the boundaries and probably kept nagging about the work issues.

was this before they went away? Because my impression was that harry was implying that he was phoning and saying that Charles should pay his securtiy.. and I can see that Charles would finally say no about that... but that was when they were in Canada.

poppy7 04-09-2021 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2387822)
was this before they went away? Because my impression was that harry was implying that he was phoning and saying that Charles should pay his securtiy.. and I can see that Charles would finally say no about that... but that was when they were in Canada.

I think post split. He didn't understand that they wouldn't deal with that anymore that it was left to work issues and their relationship was w timely private now. He probably.never had to think about it before.

Denville 04-09-2021 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by poppy7 (Post 2387837)
I think post split. He didn't understand that they wouldn't deal with that anymore that it was left to work issues and their relationship was w timely private now. He probably.never had to think about it before.

But they had no owrk issues once they left. I'd say that conversations were all about moving to Canada and where were they going to live and was Charles going to hlep them find a house. Once he'd left, they werne't doing any work anymore...

poppy7 04-09-2021 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2387858)
But they had no owrk issues once they left. I'd say that conversations were all about moving to Canada and where were they going to live and was Charles going to hlep them find a house. Once he'd left, they werne't doing any work anymore...

Charles would have seen that as 'work.' As it was to do with the financial support.

Marengo 04-09-2021 08:08 AM

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poppy7 04-09-2021 08:13 AM

I feel very sad for Harry today. I hope he will make it to, if not the funeral, a memorial service at some point.

Iluvbertie 04-09-2021 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QueenMathilde (Post 2387805)
I wonder if they'll go to Prince Philip's funeral.


If the reports are correct that the funeral will be in 7 or 8 days it will be hard as anyone coming from the US has to do 10 days quarantine.

I don't think the British public would appreciate rules being broken for people to attend this funeral in terms of numbers or doing so without quarantining properly.

Moran 04-09-2021 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 2387882)
If the reports are correct that the funeral will be in 7 or 8 days it will be hard as anyone coming from the US has to do 10 days quarantine.

I don't think the British public would appreciate rules being broken for people to attend this funeral in terms of numbers or doing so without quarantining properly.

I doubt the family will appreciate it either. There are newborn babies in the immediate circle. I imagine Harry being there without a proper quarantine may actually prevent Zara and Eugenie, for one, to attend.

poppy7 04-09-2021 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 2387882)
If the reports are correct that the funeral will be in 7 or 8 days it will be hard as anyone coming from the US has to do 10 days quarantine.

I don't think the British public would appreciate rules being broken for people to attend this funeral in terms of numbers or doing so without quarantining properly.

For us mere mortals funerals are held up for family members to make it.

But it must have been obvious to the family over a month ago that he was on the way out. Harry could have come then and quarantined to say his goodbyes.

I am sure that we will hear in coming days that many of the family may have managed this in recent weeks. To see him outside in Windsor to say goodbye.

So many families have been affected like this. I have personally known families who had to go and quarantine in a hotel for 2 weeks and get to say goodbye to family members. Know they wont be there when the person dies and know they wo t make it a funeral. It is truly dreadful times but I actually feel that with him being at home recently that he may have seen many members of the family in person which is heartening.

carlota 04-09-2021 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by poppy7 (Post 2387683)
Given I hadn't heard of this video channel before today I am not surprised it failed. Harry and Meghan were just unsuited to royal life. I think Meghan saw it as eternal fame. The Mecca of fame. So did Grace Kelly.

i don't think grace and meghan are comparable.

firstly, grace was an A list celebrity way before she married into royalty. 2 years before her wedding she won an oscar. that is way more than meghan's acting career. and back then, monaco was not the glittery, glamorous place it is now - if anything, it was grace who gave monaco fame than the other way around!

secondly, grace devoted herself to monaco and to her new role, and was princess consort for 25 years - meghan hardly made it to 2 years devoted to her public role.

Marengo 04-09-2021 09:15 AM

It seems some are gloating over the fact that the Duke of Sussex was not able to see the Duke of Edinburgh on his death bed / gloating over the fact that the Duke may not be able to attend the funeral of his grandfather.

This is rather inappropriate and if you have the urge to abuse the death of the Duke of Edinburgh for continued point scoring in the Sussex discussion you can do so at other social media outlets, not at TRF.

Posts have been removed.

ACO 04-09-2021 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2387809)
Meghan is probably too pregnant to fly.. so possiblly not

Will depend how far along she is. She did a tour around her 7th month and my guess she is around that now. That said it would be on the advice of her doctor and how she is feeling with the pandemic and whatnot.

So I am not expecting it but we shall see. I will assume Harry is likely on his way. If the plan is for him to be in the UK for a lengthy time, then they might travel together.

_Heather_ 04-09-2021 09:39 AM

Legitimate question because the rules are so very, very different in so many places and changing so quickly...what are the rules going to be regarding funerals in the UK after the regulations change this coming Monday? I saw briefly something about being able to have larger numbers for gatherings like that but I didn't see or maybe didn't look for any information regarding the length of quarantine that would be required, etc.

While I assume that Meghan is probably too far along in her pregnancy to be allowed to fly internationally and they would likely want to keep Archie at home rather than dragging him through an international flight, quarantine, etc., I have no idea what Harry might be looking at in regard to rules/regulations should he choose to make the trip and I think we can all quite rightly surmise that the late DoE would be a stickler for being sure that no rules are broken on his behalf so we should assume that no special passes or circumstances would be given for Harry or any of the German members of the DoE's family who might otherwise wish to be at the funeral.

poppy7 04-09-2021 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by _Heather_ (Post 2387988)
Legitimate question because the rules are so very, very different in so many places and changing so quickly...what are the rules going to be regarding funerals in the UK after the regulations change this coming Monday? I saw briefly something about being able to have larger numbers for gatherings like that but I didn't see or maybe didn't look for any information regarding the length of quarantine that would be required, etc.

While I assume that Meghan is probably too far along in her pregnancy to be allowed to fly internationally and they would likely want to keep Archie at home rather than dragging him through an international flight, quarantine, etc., I have no idea what Harry might be looking at in regard to rules/regulations should he choose to make the trip and I think we can all quite rightly surmise that the late DoE would be a stickler for being sure that no rules are broken on his behalf so we should assume that no special passes or circumstances would be given for Harry or any of the German members of the DoE's family who might otherwise wish to be at the funeral.

30 people. I don't know what the rules are for the USA.

I doubt she will be there but I would not be shocked or surprised if Harry wasnt either. We dont k ow the due date, the quarantine would have to be both ways...for a day I think it's a bit much

_Heather_ 04-09-2021 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by poppy7 (Post 2387990)
30 people. I don't know what the rules are for the USA.

I doubt she will be there but I would not be shocked or surprised if Harry wasnt either. We dont k ow the due date, the quarantine would have to be both ways...for a day I think it's a bit much

Ah. Goodness, only 30 people. That's not many when you consider that he was a father of four, a grandfather of eight, and a great-grandfather of 10. Though I suppose the great-grandchildren won't be in attendance so that would help with the numbers. Rules in the US tend to vary by state or even local location but, in general, there are no real rules about how many people can be in attendance at any event. It's all up to the common sense, or lack thereof, of the individuals involved.

Well, given all factors, I don't expect to see Meghan there and I rather doubt that Harry will be, either, though I certainly can't know that for sure. That's a shame but given the DoE's recent health battles and his age it's not entirely unexpected that this would be happening. Video calls certainly aren't the same as being there in person but I do hope, for Harry's sake, that he was able to video chat with his grandfather one last time in the past couple of days and I hope that for the sake of all the family they were able to meet outside or in whatever circumstance might have been allowed to say their goodbyes or maybe even introduce the two new babies to their namesake.

poppy7 04-09-2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by _Heather_ (Post 2387995)
Ah. Goodness, only 30 people. That's not many when you consider that he was a father of four, a grandfather of eight, and a great-grandfather of 10. Though I suppose the great-grandchildren won't be in attendance so that would help with the numbers. Rules in the US tend to vary by state or even local location but, in general, there are no real rules about how many people can be in attendance at any event. It's all up to the common sense, or lack thereof, of the individuals involved.

Well, given all factors, I don't expect to see Meghan there and I rather doubt that Harry will be, either, though I certainly can't know that for sure. That's a shame but given the DoE's recent health battles and his age it's not entirely unexpected that this would be happening. Video calls certainly aren't the same as being there in person but I do hope, for Harry's sake, that he was able to video chat with his grandfather one last time in the past couple of days and I hope that for the sake of all the family they were able to meet outside or in whatever circumstance might have been allowed to say their goodbyes or maybe even introduce the two new babies to their namesake.

I would expect the other children, grandchildren and some great grandchildren to be in attendance. Perhaps down as far as Charlotte. It will only be the immediate family I am sure.

Heavs 04-09-2021 10:06 AM

Nicholas Witchell seemed to think he would come home for the funeral half an hour ago on the BBC but of course he was only guessing.

BriarRose 04-09-2021 10:07 AM

I'm guessing that the 10-day quarantine may be the biggest obstacle for Harry to attend the funeral. https://www.gov.uk/uk-border-control California is, unfortunately, a hotspot still, so I assume that anyone traveling from California to the U.K. will have to follow all quarantine and testing rules.

(He would have no problem returning to California, there is no government-enforced quarantine, just recommendations. I know you are supposed to quarantine upon entering California, but it's on the honor system . . . . and I know plenty of people who went to Mexico for Spring Break and didn't do any quarantine after.)

There is a chance Harry has been vaccinated with either the one dose Johnson & Johnson or his first dose of the Pfizer or Moderna. His age group was eligible starting last week. It takes a few weeks for any vaccine to be effective though.

PrincessofEurope 04-09-2021 10:10 AM

I am not sure Harry will be able to make it back to the UK - considering the Covid rules, the Royal family will not want to be seen to break them in many way to be given special treatment. In that case it will be difficult for Harry to return - he could face a lot of negativity if he does considering public opinion and covid rules.

Whilst it will be awful for him if he cant return home for the funeral, it might be best for Harry and Meghan and Archie to remember Prince Philip privately in LA

ACO 04-09-2021 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Heavs (Post 2388007)
Nicholas Witchell seemed to think he would come home for the funeral half an hour ago on the BBC but of course he was only guessing.

I am sure the family have been preparing for this since he was in the hospital. So no doubt Harry would have been preparing and made plans just in case he was needed to immediately leave.

The quarantine will be the biggest obstacle though I won't be surprised to learn that they have already been in the UK for a few days. I don't think so but if he has been ill for the past few days, then who knows.

All that said I still think Harry will be in the UK.

lirienn 04-09-2021 10:18 AM

I believe it's very tricky. Philip is dead, public is mourning him. I don't know what Machiavelli would do. PR wise Harry should step back from Netflix deals, surfing photo-ops for a while at least till the baby is born. Now I feel like he's dealing with the fact what he lost. All the royals will be there, it's a huge event, it's a reminder he's a prince and his grandfather died. It'll dawn on him even more what he lost.

Archduchess Zelia 04-09-2021 10:27 AM

Provided that the 10-day quarantine is relevant (do we know for sure Harry hasn't travelled back already?), I don't see what would prevent the family from pushing the funeral a few days to ensure that every one of Philip's close relatives can be there.

Pushing the funeral to allow for quarantining could also allow for, say, one Greek and one Danish representative to attend in honour of Philip's background as Prince of Greece and Denmark. That obviously depends on whether the great-grandchildren (or the Queen's cousins) will be there with consideration to the 30 people limit.

JR76 04-09-2021 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lirienn (Post 2388018)
I believe it's very tricky. Philip is dead, public is mourning him. I don't know what Machiavelli would do. PR wise Harry should step back from Netflix deals, surfing photo-ops for a while at least till the baby is born. Now I feel like he's dealing with the fact what he lost. All the royals will be there, it's a huge event, it's a reminder he's a prince and his grandfather died. It'll dawn on him even more what he lost.

Why should he step back from the Netflix deal? He still needs to make a living. He has a family to support.

poppy7 04-09-2021 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia (Post 2388023)
Provided that the 10-day quarantine is relevant (do we know for sure Harry hasn't travelled back already?), I don't see what would prevent the family from pushing the funeral a few days to ensure that every one of Philip's close relatives can be there.

Pushing the funeral to allow for quarantining could also allow for, say, one Greek and one Danish representative to attend in honour of Philip's background as Prince of Greece and Denmark. That obviously depends on whether the great-grandchildren (or the Queen's cousins) will be there with consideration to the 30 people limit.

They may. We will see. There wont be anyone there but immediate family.

lirienn 04-09-2021 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JR76 (Post 2388024)
Why should he step back from the Netflix deal? He still needs to make a living. He has a family to support.

For a month or so because the whole family is in mourning.

poppy7 04-09-2021 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lirienn (Post 2388026)
For a month or so because the whole family is in mourning.

He isn't exactly doing anything. There is nothing due to come out. What does it matter

lirienn 04-09-2021 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by poppy7 (Post 2388032)
He isn't exactly doing anything. There is nothing due to come out. What does it matter

I was just thinking about the arrival and how a prince who decided to not be a working royal will do next.

poppy7 04-09-2021 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lirienn (Post 2388035)
I was just thinking about the arrival and how a prince who decided to not be a working royal will do next.

Arrival for what? He isn't going to do anything. He probably won't be there. He had to know that with everything going on and the fact he is expecting baby number 2. The family will get on with it like many others have to do in this unfortunate time.

The family have known for a while that this was coming.

ACO 04-09-2021 10:49 AM

Not sure what you are expecting Harry to do. How exactly is he to stop Netflix for a month? While this is sad, I doubt anyone was really surprised. He was 99 and very ill in recent weeks. No doubt they have all been preparing.

Harry will do what he can but they will all continue on with their lives, as expected.

JR76 04-09-2021 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by lirienn (Post 2388026)
For a month or so because the whole family is in mourning.

The rest of the family won't stop working so why should Harry.

_Heather_ 04-09-2021 11:01 AM

I have to say, I'm honestly quite surprised that we haven't yet seen an official statement from Harry and Meghan about the death of the DoE. They're generally so quick to issue their own statements about every little thing, every private congratulations, etc. that it seems a bit odd that they haven't yet put out even a short statement. I know that opinions on them and their behavior are quite divisive and certainly split around here but I really do wonder, after all the questions raised about them going ahead with the Oprah disaster while the DoE was so ill, if they're being advised to tread very, very carefully now.

Moran 04-09-2021 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JR76 (Post 2388048)
The rest of the family won't stop working so why should Harry.

Because none of the others has work that is basically cashing on their royal connections or at least is a continuation of projects they got years ago by the sole virtue of being royal after thrashing the RF and the country in a long interview. It's simply bad form.



Not that they got the Spotify project for any different reasons but at least it isn't a direct continuation of their royal projects. IMO, it's going to be nice of them if they focus on this for a while.


I'm sure they won't go bankrupt and line in front of the food bank if they refrain from doing a particular kind of job for a short period but I don't really expect them to. They aren't obliged to do or not to do anything.

Mbruno 04-09-2021 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JR76 (Post 2388048)
The rest of the family won't stop working so why should Harry.


I suppose there will be an official period of mourning during which the working members of the Family won't have public engagements. I don't know how long that is going to last though.

BriarRose 04-09-2021 11:10 AM

Some news outlets are reporting that Harry would only need a 5-day quarantine. If he then gets a negative covid-19 test, he is free to leave quarantine. My apologies, it appears that if you pay for a private Covid-19 test, that is true.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavi...or%2010%20days.

Harry should have no legal issues attending the funeral. I expect he will likely be on a plane by tonight.

poppy7 04-09-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BriarRose (Post 2388062)
Some news outlets are reporting that Harry would only need a 5-day quarantine. If he then gets a negative covid-19 test, he is free to leave quarantine. My apologies, it appears that if you pay for a private Covid-19 test, that is true.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavi...or%2010%20days.

Harry should have no legal issues attending the funeral. I expect he will likely be on a plane by tonight.

His situation is far more complex than this. No hotels are open in England. He has a pregnant wife. Where would he stay for five days? Eugenie has a young baby. Relations with closer family is strained.

Things are just not easy at the moment. It is best to not act in haste.

xenobia 04-09-2021 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by _Heather_ (Post 2388050)
I have to say, I'm honestly quite surprised that we haven't yet seen an official statement from Harry and Meghan about the death of the DoE. They're generally so quick to issue their own statements about every little thing, every private congratulations, etc. that it seems a bit odd that they haven't yet put out even a short statement. I know that opinions on them and their behavior are quite divisive and certainly split around here but I really do wonder, after all the questions raised about them going ahead with the Oprah disaster while the DoE was so ill, if they're being advised to tread very, very carefully now.

We don't know exactly when the DoE passed, but it was very late last night (California time). It's early morning there now. Perhaps if they were told last night they wanted to wait until today to make a statement. And as far as I've seen, none of the other grandchildren has made any public statements yet.

JR76 04-09-2021 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2388054)
I suppose there will be an official period of mourning during which the working members of the Family won't have public engagements. I don't know how long that is going to last though.

I'm certain that there will be a period of mourning as customary but that would only affect the working royals. Also given the serious situation we're in I can't see even them stop working completely.
The rest will get time off work for the funeral and might be able to get a few days off now right after Philip's passing but will besides that most likely be required to work like the rest of us would be if our grandfather or close relative died.

poppy7 04-09-2021 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by xenobia (Post 2388071)
We don't know exactly when the DoE passed, but it was very late last night (California time). It's early morning there now. Perhaps if they were told last night they wanted to wait until today to make a statement. And as far as I've seen, none of the other grandchildren has made any public statements yet.

He passed this morning UK time. But the family would have been waiting for this. Word is there will be no individual statements from the family.

_Heather_ 04-09-2021 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by xenobia (Post 2388071)
We don't know exactly when the DoE passed, but it was very late last night (California time). It's early morning there now. Perhaps if they were told last night they wanted to wait until today to make a statement. And as far as I've seen, none of the other grandchildren has made any public statements yet.

This is true, the time difference may very well have factored in. I just truly don't believe in any universe that they weren't alerted to the time when the official statement would be made and, given their track record and the questions that absolutely everyone knew would be raised, I honestly expected them to have a statement ready to issue moments after the official announcement was made. As for the rest of the grandchildren not issuing statements, I don't really think that's a comparison we can make because none of the other grandchildren issue statements like "...have privately congratulated ??? on the birth of their son/daughter" as Harry and Meghan like to do.

I'm honestly not trying to start a debate about all of this, I just really found it incredibly odd given the track record and the obvious questions out there that they didn't issue any kind of statement. At least they haven't yet, anyway.

Denville 04-09-2021 11:23 AM

Not really. There's usually a period of court mourning..

ACO 04-09-2021 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by poppy7 (Post 2388068)
His situation is far more complex than this. No hotels are open in England. He has a pregnant wife. Where would he stay for five days?

Things are just not easy at the moment. It is nest to ot act in haste.

He has a home in the UK. It isn't really that complicated.

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Originally Posted by _Heather_ (Post 2388075)
This is true, the time difference may very well have factored in. I just truly don't believe in any universe that they weren't alerted to the time when the official statement would be made and, given their track record and the questions that absolutely everyone knew would be raised, I honestly expected them to have a statement ready to issue moments after the official announcement was made. As for the rest of the grandchildren not issuing statements, I don't really think that's a comparison we can make because none of the other grandchildren issue statements like "...have privately congratulated ??? on the birth of their son/daughter" as Harry and Meghan like to do.

I'm honestly not trying to start a debate about all of this, I just really found it incredibly odd given the track record and the obvious questions out there that they didn't issue any kind of statement. At least they haven't yet, anyway.

As for Harry and Meghan making a comment? They are 8 hours behind. And frankly we don't need comment. The family as a whole made one. Also Meghan usually typically issue those statements because people ask them. They not releasing statements themselves, it is always in reply from some media agency contracting their PR.

I know we all want to be snarky and all have feelings one way or another, not today is not the day for all that.

BriarRose 04-09-2021 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by poppy7 (Post 2388068)
His situation is far more complex than this. No hotels are open in England. He has a pregnant wife. Where would he stay for five days?

Things are just not easy at the moment.

You are allowed to quarantine at a private residence, including with "friends and family" or your own residence. There is no requirement to quarantine at a hotel.

As many of us have sadly experienced with deaths of loved ones and travel, Harry will have to make a decision based on his personal circumstances, but there is no legal impediment to his travels to the U.K., which was the question on this board this morning.

poppy7 04-09-2021 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ACO (Post 2388077)
He has a home in the UK. It isn't really that complicated.

As for Harry and Meghan making a comment? They are 8 hours behind. And frankly we don't need comment. The family as a whole made one.

I know we all want to be snarky and all have feelings one way or another, not today is not the day for all that.

What hardly? But it isn't that easy and that home is either closed and/or used by Eugenie who has a small baby. As we dont really seem to know what the precise situation is with that. But who would you want to put at risk? Is that even fair? For a day. Harry loved his grandfather and that love isn't contingent on being able.to attend a service under extreme pandemic condtions. He would either have to enter a house with others and then br isolated from them for 5 days at a time when his wife is pregnant and people are nervous. No younger member of the royal family would have been vaccinated it. People are going through horrendous times at the moment.

Mbruno 04-09-2021 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by poppy7 (Post 2388074)
He passed this morning UK time. But the family would have been waiting for this. Word is there will be no individual statements from the family.

No members of the Family have released personal statements. I don't see why Harry and Meghan should be expected to do so.

Osipi 04-09-2021 11:32 AM

It's just been reported on Fox News that Harry is expected to return to the UK. That's all that's been said. No word on whether Meghan will accompany him or not.

_Heather_ 04-09-2021 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ACO (Post 2388077)
He has a home in the UK. It isn't really that complicated.



As for Harry and Meghan making a comment? They are 8 hours behind. And frankly we don't need comment. The family as a whole made one. Also Meghan usually typically issue those statements because people ask them. They not releasing statements themselves, it is always in reply from some media agency contracting their PR.

I know we all want to be snarky and all have feelings one way or another, not today is not the day for all that.

I wasn't being snarky. I'm just genuinely surprised. Given all of the very public sentiments expressed about the DoE being ill during the drama of the last couple of months and the questions that even the most oblivious person can see will be raised, along with their track record of issuing statements about things that didn't really need comment even if they are answers in response to questions, I'm just simply stating that I'm surprised they haven't had one of their mouthpieces issue something yet. To be perfectly honest, I'm very pleasantly surprised and I think it speaks well of them that they haven't felt the need to "make their voices heard" on the matter.

poppy7 04-09-2021 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 2388082)
It's just been reported on Fox News that Harry is expected to return to the UK. That's all that's been said. No word on whether Meghan will accompany him or not.

Certainly that is just what they think. Given none of us know and it hasn't been discussed here.

QueenMathilde 04-09-2021 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2388081)
No members of the Family have released personal statements. I don't see why Harry and Meghan should be expected to do so.

I was also wondering if any of them released statements. Wasn't sure where to post the question.

BriarRose 04-09-2021 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2388081)
No members of the Family have released personal statements. I don't see why Harry and Meghan should be expected to do so.

I would guess that when family members were informed, all were told to please allow the Queen's statement to speak on behalf of all family members for the time being.

So I wouldn't expect anything from Harry & Meghan right now.

Alisa 04-09-2021 11:41 AM

If Meghan isn't due anytime soon, I expect Harry to be in the UK.
Frogmore is his home. He can quarantine for a few days on a separate floor or on a different wing from the Brooksbanks.

Heavs 04-09-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Alisa (Post 2388094)
If Meghan isn't due anytime soon, I expect Harry to be in the UK.
Frogmore is his home. He can quarantine for a few days on a separate floor or on a different wing from the Brooksbanks.

I'm sure they could find him somewhere covid safe in one of the royal residences but saying "Frogmore is his home and he can just say on a separate floor or wing to the Brooksbanks" is overlooking the fact that Frogmore isn't *that* big, they have a 2 month old baby and need to be as safe as possible and everything else a new born entails that means accommodating someone might not be easy.

And last but not least that even though his name is still on the lease that he gave that home up to someone else and doesn't automatically have rights to it on a dime.

Whilst it seems likely he'll try and get back I don't think we can take any reports about it as gospel for now.

poppy7 04-09-2021 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Heavs (Post 2388100)
I'm sure they could find him somewhere covid safe in one of the royal residences but saying "Frogmore is his home and he can just say on a separate floor" to the Brooksbanks" is overlooking the fact that Frogmore isn't *that* big, they have a 2 month old baby and need to be as safe as possible and everything else a new born entail.

And last but not least that even though his name is still on the lease that he gave that home up to someone else and doesn't automatically have rights to it on a dime.

Your right. I am sure he would have a bedroom and bathroom to himself but that is it. I am sure he could be put into Windsor itself but you know at thrbmomentnone has to question whether it is worth it.

Sandy345 04-09-2021 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by poppy7 (Post 2387878)
I feel very sad for Harry today. I hope he will make it to, if not the funeral, a memorial service at some point.

I feel sorry for the entire family, with Philip's death. I think there would be a memorial in the future and perhaps a statue.

Archduchess Zelia 04-09-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by poppy7 (Post 2388080)
What hardly? But it isn't that easy and that home is either closed and/or used by Eugenie who has a small baby. As we dont really seem to know what the precise situation is with that. But who would you want to put at risk? Is that even fair? For a day. Harry loved his grandfather and that love isn't contingent on being able.to attend a service under extreme pandemic condtions. He would either have to enter a house with others and then br isolated from them for 5 days at a time when his wife is pregnant and people are nervous. No younger member of the royal family would have been vaccinated it. People are going through horrendous times at the moment.

The BRF isn't exactly lacking properties. I'm positive they could find somewhere – anywhere – to put him in isolation where his contact with others would be minimal.

You don't need to attend someone's funeral to have loved them deeply, no. But when, with a few amendments to the original plans perhaps, there is a chance for a grandchild to be able to be at their grandparent's funeral, I don't see why on earth that shouldn't happen. "Is it worth it for just one day?" I think for anyone who's lost someone close to them, the answer would be a resounding yes. Absolutely.

_Heather_ 04-09-2021 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy345 (Post 2388103)
I feel sorry for the entire family, with Philip's death. I think there would be a memorial in the future and perhaps a statue.

I hadn't really thought about that but I do hope you're right. He's been a leading voice for such a long time on technology, the environment, healthy living, etc., not to mention his naval service during WWII and his services to Queen and country, that it really would seem very appropriate for a statue to be placed at some point in the relatively near future.

poppy7 04-09-2021 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia (Post 2388107)
The BRF isn't exactly lacking properties. I'm positive they could find somewhere – anywhere – to put him in isolation where his contact with others would be minimal.

You don't need to attend someone's funeral to have loved them deeply, no. But when, with a few amendments to the original plans perhaps, there is a chance for a grandchild to be able to be at their grandparent's funeral, I don't see why on earth that shouldn't happen. "Is it worth it for just one day?" I think for anyone who's lost someone close to them, the answer would be a resounding yes. Absolutely.

These are not normal times. And people have, and are, having to make decisions which in normal times are unheard of. I would be neither shocked or surprised if he wasn't there. And I dont know about America but the UK is still very much in lockdown with the first major steps out happening on Monday.

HighGoalHighDreams 04-09-2021 12:05 PM

The Brooksbanks do not live at Frogmore.

If Harry wishes to be in the UK for Philip's funeral, I do not believe he would be impeded from doing so.

However, we are certainly in no position to judge any decision he undertakes. Perhaps they had long conversations many years in the past wherein Philip revealed he thought funerals were ridiculous and he hoped no one would put themselves out to attend his. Perhaps Meghan is unwell at this time and Harry is not comfortable leaving her. Perhaps Philip and Harry had conversations in recent weeks in which Philip expressed a desire that Harry not reunite with the family under these circumstances.

We just don't know.

poppy7 04-09-2021 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HighGoalHighDreams (Post 2388113)
The Brooksbanks do not live at Frogmore.

Unless they are at Royal Lodge I dont know where they are.theast official.announcement was that they were and there has been no other official comments.

ACO 04-09-2021 12:29 PM

Harry and Meghan's website has done dark in a memorial for Prince Philip.

https://archewell.com


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