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Claire 10-01-2020 04:58 PM

Ingrid Seward - Prince Philip
 
Cant find the post on this? Is anyone reading it - intends reading it?

Sun Lion 10-03-2020 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Claire (Post 2345829)
Cant find the post on this? Is anyone reading it - intends reading it?

Not going to read the actual book Claire - though I believe it to be as described, a "landmark" work.

The "Daily Mail" published three abridged extracts from it under author Ingrid Seward's byline.

It popped up on my radar as the "Daily Mail" is my go to media outlet for a quick squizz at the world every morning, and I hope it is a big success for it's writer.

There has been such a lot of Royal coverage - and with the Covid lockdown I've read my fair share - but even I am getting a bit overfed at times.

I think the quote about Prince Philip being a "alpha male in a beta role" is very apt.

I have a lot of respect for the way he has handed his hard life journey.

And from the bits here and there that I've seen - "what the hell do they want!" about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, for example - he and Her Majesty don't seem to have arrived at any safe harbour from the storms and tempests of life at any time, even now.

I hope the book is a success for Ms Seward.

All these books must be hard work, and I'm glad they are available for whoever whats to take the opportunity to learn from these very publicly-lived lives.


Here's are links to the "Daily Mail" extracts -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ep-Royals.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iographer.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...p-Charles.html

Betsypaige 10-03-2020 09:11 PM

I donít know if Iíll read it, but Iím very much interested in it - of the recent books, this is the one that wonít give me any agita, lol..(except the parts about Philip and Charlesí relationship, lol. I think itís much better now, but thereís a lot to it...í

Claire 10-05-2020 01:27 AM

I am quiet a bit in to the book and I am very disappointed.
It is a lot of rehash from other Seward books and of points inside the book as well. It might just be the narrative as it is not linear and the book appears unfinished and rushed. It is not a polished book at all. I was so puzzled by this I redownloaded it - thinking I messed up between the sample and the book.
At the moment nothing new- she appears to have solved the Duke of Edinburgh life in to happily named chapters and said that is what it is. A lot of points are clarified using psychological journals and expert opinion which knocks off the style and seems completely out of place.
Philip's relationship is dealt with rather poorly. I think that the chapter on his friendship with women is done in more detail to his relationship to his children. There is very little details everywhere. Charles and Anne are done in one chapter and Edward and Andrew in another. Don't expect much - 90 % of it is about their birth and schooling. Diana has a whole chapter - as it appears Diana's relationship with Philip is really important to get across. Sarah's is a paragraph mostly about his anger to the divorces and press intrusion. Sophie get a line, not about her marriage to Edward but about carriage riding. Later Charles and William especially are fawned over, Andrew, Harry and Meghan are spoken about in context of the future and that the end of the book.

Sun Lion 10-05-2020 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Claire (Post 2346657)
I am quiet a bit in to the book and I am very disappointed.
It is a lot of rehash from other Seward books and of points inside the book as well. It might just be the narrative as it is not linear and the book appears unfinished and rushed. It is not a polished book at all. I was so puzzled by this I redownloaded it - thinking I messed up between the sample and the book.
At the moment nothing new- she appears to have solved the Duke of Edinburgh life in to happily named chapters and said that is what it is. A lot of points are clarified using psychological journals and expert opinion which knocks off the style and seems completely out of place.
Philip's relationship is dealt with rather poorly. I think that the chapter on his friendship with women is done in more detail to his relationship to his children. There is very little details everywhere. Charles and Anne are done in one chapter and Edward and Andrew in another. Don't expect much - 90 % of it is about their birth and schooling. Diana has a whole chapter - as it appears Diana's relationship with Philip is really important to get across. Sarah's is a paragraph mostly about his anger to the divorces and press intrusion. Sophie get a line, not about her marriage to Edward but about carriage riding. Later Charles and William especially are fawned over, Andrew, Harry and Meghan are spoken about in context of the future and that the end of the book.


It’s disappointing some of these recent books aren’t living up to expectations ... and I don’t think it’s because expectations are too high.

Is there too much competition, too much pressure, not enough research, no real new insight to give readers.

At least Lady Glenconner gave a great experience with her effort ... and that’s the one I bought.

AC21091968 10-16-2020 09:01 PM

Tatler has released a special section of the Prince Philip: Revealed. Apparently, Prince Phillips "had a secret message inscribed inside the Queen's wedding band, a message that only three people have ever seen".

Extract from the Tatler article that contains Ingred Seward's writing in the book
Talking about how the exiled Prince had little to his name when he married the then-Princess Elizabeth, she writes: 'At least Philip didn't have the expense of a wedding ring, as the people of Wales supplied a nugget of Welsh gold from which the ring is made,' explaining that as is traditional, the Royal Family's rings were made from gifted Welsh gold. 'She never takes it off and inside the ring is an inscription. No one knows what it says, other than the engraver, the queen and her husband.'

The secret romantic gesture the Duke of Edinburgh made to the Queen on their wedding day
According to a new biography of Prince Philip, he had a special message inscribed on the Queen's wedding ring - one which no one else has seen
https://www.tatler.com/article/queen...n-wedding-ring

Betsypaige 10-17-2020 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AC21091968 (Post 2349239)
Tatler has released a special section of the Prince Philip: Revealed. Apparently, Prince Phillips "had a secret message inscribed inside the Queen's wedding band, a message that only three people have ever seen".

Extract from the Tatler article that contains Ingred Seward's writing in the book
Talking about how the exiled Prince had little to his name when he married the then-Princess Elizabeth, she writes: 'At least Philip didn't have the expense of a wedding ring, as the people of Wales supplied a nugget of Welsh gold from which the ring is made,' explaining that as is traditional, the Royal Family's rings were made from gifted Welsh gold. 'She never takes it off and inside the ring is an inscription. No one knows what it says, other than the engraver, the queen and her husband.'

The secret romantic gesture the Duke of Edinburgh made to the Queen on their wedding day
According to a new biography of Prince Philip, he had a special message inscribed on the Queen's wedding ring - one which no one else has seen
https://www.tatler.com/article/queen...n-wedding-ring

Oh wow, how romantic... both the ring being made from Welsh gold and the message....😍😍😍😍😍😍

AC21091968 10-23-2020 06:39 AM

Ingrid Seward did an interview with Katie Nicholl on Vanity Fair ahead of the release of Prince Philip Revealed

Why Prince Harryís Relationship with Prince Philip Still Hasnít Recovered: ďThis Has Been a Great ShockĒ
In her new biography Prince Philip Revealed, Ingrid Seward writes that the Queenís husband has compared Meghan Markle to Wallis Simpson, even though he welcomed her to the family at first.
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/202...p-relationship

Somebody 10-23-2020 07:41 AM

It's the first time that I come across this story but feel free to ignore if it is already widely known and has been discussed previously:

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In Prince Philip Revealed Seward recounts how Harry, who was dating Meghan at the time, was the guest of honor at a shooting weekend in 2018, but pulled out at the last minute because Meghan didn’t want him to slaughter game birds. “At exactly 9 a.m. all the guns were waiting at the door to move off, but no sign of Harry,” Seward writes. “They didn’t quite know what to do so they waited and waited until Harry eventually appeared at the door in his dressing gown looking very sheepish. His embarrassed explanation was that Meghan did not want him to go out with the guns, which was extremely awkward as he was guest of honor.”

The story was relayed to Seward by a source close to the prince. “This is exactly the sort of behavior that led to Harry becoming more estranged from his oldest friends,” Seward said in the interview. “This wasn’t the Harry they knew; he would never have let them down. Harry knows how expensive it is and how much time goes into organizing a shoot. It was very rude and the general feeling was one of disbelief, because it was so out of character.”
Source: Vanity Fair

AC21091968 10-23-2020 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2350482)
It's the first time that I come across this story but feel free to ignore if it is already widely known and has been discussed previously:


Source: Vanity Fair

Thank you Somebody for posting the extract.

I read the whole article, which primarily focus on Prince Philip, but it's interesting that Ingrid Seward has mentioned the "Shooting party story". I heard of that rumour/story before, where Harry end up not going to a shooting event, because Meghan did not like it. However, I did not know the details. There was also a claim that Harry sold his rifles before moving to Canada (then to the US).
https://www.tatler.com/article/princ...-meghan-markle

To be honest, I was mainly focused on the relationship between Prince Philip and Meghan, which I assumed would be one of the key topics in Ingrid Seward's book, Prince Philip Revealed.

Erin9 10-23-2020 08:53 AM

If indeed Harryís relationship with Philip is still in poor shape, that wouldnít surprise me. What Harry did and how he did it goes against Philipís entire life.

Philip has been dutiful his entire life. He doesnít complain. And had to give up his naval career early to support the Queen. This just canít have gone over well imo.

No surprise at all that he and the Queen were unamused by the no prior notice website bombshell. That really was appalling.

I find it very believable that Philip would have made an effort to be particularly welcoming to Meghan. Heís well aware of how difficult marrying into this family can be. And he was hardly treated well himself. He put up with a lot. But he adapted, made it work, did his job- and literally carved a role for himself.

Denville 10-23-2020 09:54 AM

if this is true why didn't Harry say that he'd given up shooting?

caethi 10-23-2020 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2350503)
if this is true why didn't Harry say that he'd given up shooting?


There are lots of reasons why he wouldn't make an announcement, assuming it is true.

Denville 10-23-2020 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by caethi (Post 2350506)
There are lots of reasons why he wouldn't make an announcement, assuming it is true.

What annoucement?? he could have told his ffamily that he'd given it up rather than let them organise a shoot....

acdc1 10-23-2020 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2350482)
It's the first time that I come across this story but feel free to ignore if it is already widely known and has been discussed previously:


Source: Vanity Fair

I really wonder how many of Harry's relationships with his family members and friends remain completely intact after his marriage and especially after all the events of the past year. It's obviously very common and understandable that marrying and starting a family can affect relationships- it changes your priorities, you may have less time to devote to things you may once have as your responsibility to your spouse and children increases, and certainly your interests can change to reflect the interests and priorities of your partner. Harry certainly seems to have dropped his "party boy" ways and reputation, and I'm sure many of his friends have, too, as they've settled down into family and careers of their own. But there have been consistent reports that he's dropped many of his former close friends and associates since his marriage. And I think that it's pretty clear that his relationship with his brother isn't great right now, and I'm sure there are other strained familial relationships too after things came out in Finding Freedom, passive aggressive remarks in press releases, and in dragging names of certain family members into the court case.

caethi 10-23-2020 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2350507)
What annoucement?? he could have told his ffamily that he'd given it up rather than let them organise a shoot....


I am not referring to a formal announcement.

He may have been worried that if this were widely known, Meghan would be blamed and receive even more criticism than she was receiving at the time.
The shooting party seems to have been arranged by friends, not family.

Betsypaige 10-23-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2350482)
It's the first time that I come across this story but feel free to ignore if it is already widely known and has been discussed previously:


Source: Vanity Fair

The general story was reported, but not details like this. I personally loathe hunting, but I think this story is disturbing in two ways: that Harry was incredibly rude not to tell anyone that he wasnít going to participate and also that he feels the need to give up pursuits or hobbies because of Meghanís beliefs. I wonder how many others heís given up.

Betsypaige 10-23-2020 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Claire (Post 2346657)
I am quiet a bit in to the book and I am very disappointed.
It is a lot of rehash from other Seward books and of points inside the book as well. It might just be the narrative as it is not linear and the book appears unfinished and rushed. It is not a polished book at all. I was so puzzled by this I redownloaded it - thinking I messed up between the sample and the book.
At the moment nothing new- she appears to have solved the Duke of Edinburgh life in to happily named chapters and said that is what it is. A lot of points are clarified using psychological journals and expert opinion which knocks off the style and seems completely out of place.
Philip's relationship is dealt with rather poorly. I think that the chapter on his friendship with women is done in more detail to his relationship to his children. There is very little details everywhere. Charles and Anne are done in one chapter and Edward and Andrew in another. Don't expect much - 90 % of it is about their birth and schooling. Diana has a whole chapter - as it appears Diana's relationship with Philip is really important to get across. Sarah's is a paragraph mostly about his anger to the divorces and press intrusion. Sophie get a line, not about her marriage to Edward but about carriage riding. Later Charles and William especially are fawned over, Andrew, Harry and Meghan are spoken about in context of the future and that the end of the book.

Wow, Iím surprised..Iíve never read any of her books, but I expected better.

Iím sure the Charles stuff consists mostly of things weíve heard before, but does Ingrid comment on their relationship today? I expect itís improved - and they just agree to disagree in certain things (like Charles does with Anne).

Somebody 10-23-2020 12:15 PM

As I don't understand the idea of hunting at all; I fully understand why Meghan would be unhappy about Harry hunting - and also that Harry decides to no longer hunt.

However, not showing up but after your friends waited for you for some time announcing that you are not coming because your wife doesn't like it when you previously committed is a bit more worrisome. You'd think they had discussed his hobbies before (it's not that this happened early on in their relationship but about 2 years in), so he could have made that decision well in advance, preferably before committing to join his friends for a shooting and certainly in advance of the day itself.

Betsypaige 10-23-2020 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AC21091968 (Post 2350476)
Ingrid Seward did an interview with Katie Nicholl on Vanity Fair ahead of the release of Prince Philip Revealed

Why Prince Harry’s Relationship with Prince Philip Still Hasn’t Recovered: “This Has Been a Great Shock”
In her new biography Prince Philip Revealed, Ingrid Seward writes that the Queen’s husband has compared Meghan Markle to Wallis Simpson, even though he welcomed her to the family at first.
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/202...p-relationship

It’s very damning stuff, and to be honest, I understand Philip’s POV completely. He comes from a time when duty meant everything - and he himself gave up his personal life, a very promising Naval career, to marry the then-princess Elizabeth. I’m very glad that he’s removed himself from this situation - which is why he didn’t attend the Sandringham summit. He’s said his piece - he can’t force Harry to listen to him, and at 99, he doesn’t need the aggravation.

The 10 minutes notice to both BP and Charles was an unacceptable breach of protocol, but worse showed a total lack of respect. I love how protective Philip is of HM.

The article isn’t only about Harry, though. I didn’t know that Philip loves Mary Berry and cooking shows - so do I ! He’s an amazing man - the dignity he carries himself with is astonishing.

Claire 10-23-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsypaige (Post 2350523)
The general story was reported, but not details like this. I personally loathe hunting, but I think this story is disturbing in two ways: that Harry was incredibly rude not to tell anyone that he wasnít going to participate and also that he feels the need to give up pursuits or hobbies because of Meghanís beliefs. I wonder how many others heís given up.

I actually didnt know what to make of the story either - half of the party were people that Harry invited for a shoot and then the morning after he was several hours later and the shoot hadnt started , came downstairs in his gown and sleepily told them that Meghan said he couldnt go and he had to stop shooting as she wanted him to.

If he had told people the day before other arrangement could have been made.

Erin9 10-23-2020 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsypaige (Post 2350530)
Itís very damning stuff, and to be honest, I understand Philipís POV completely. He comes from a time when duty meant everything - and he himself gave up his personal life, a very promising Naval career, to marry the then-princess Elizabeth. Iím very glad that heís removed himself from this situation - which is why he didnít attend the Sandringham summit. Heís said his piece - he canít force Harry to listen to him, and at 99, he doesnít need the aggravation.

The 10 minutes notice to both BP and Charles was an unacceptable breach of protocol, but worse showed a total lack of respect. I love how protective Philip is of HM.

The article isnít only about Harry, though. I didnít know that Philip loves Mary Berry and cooking shows - so do I ! Heís an amazing man - the dignity he carries himself with is astonishing.



Totally agree with you about Philip regarding the Harry situation. I said almost the same thing in an earlier post. It was all handled so poorly by Harry and Meghan. I just shake my head.

I smiled when I read that he likes Mary Berry. IIrc- William and Catherine are fans too. Nice thing to have in common. As different as he and Charles are in temperment, these are both dutiful, active men with a variety of hobbies/ interests.

Susan D 10-23-2020 01:37 PM

Poor Harry. They picked on him.

Denville 10-23-2020 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Susan D (Post 2350546)
Poor Harry. They picked on him.

Who picked on him?

Betsypaige 10-23-2020 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Claire (Post 2350535)
I actually didnt know what to make of the story either - half of the party were people that Harry invited for a shoot and then the morning after he was several hours later and the shoot hadnt started , came downstairs in his gown and sleepily told them that Meghan said he couldnt go and he had to stop shooting as she wanted him to.

If he had told people the day before other arrangement could have been made.

That’s the thing, Harry is completely thoughtless when it comes to other people - it’s all about himself, or Meghan. It’s easy to see why he’s pushed away his old friends...there’s only so much people can tolerate before they’ve had enough.

Betsypaige 10-23-2020 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Erin9 (Post 2350542)
Totally agree with you about Philip regarding the Harry situation. I said almost the same thing in an earlier post. It was all handled so poorly by Harry and Meghan. I just shake my head.

I smiled when I read that he likes Mary Berry. IIrc- William and Catherine are fans too. Nice thing to have in common. As different as he and Charles are in temperment, these are both dutiful, active men with a variety of hobbies/ interests.

H and M are like bulls in a china shop, they trample on people because itís all about them.

I guess everyone loves Mary, lol - Iím American and I love her !

I agree about Philip and Charles - and since Philip apparently has always been concerned with environmental issues, he can take pride that his son has followed suit (even if he thought Charles was a bit of a nut, lol), also passing along that concern to William and Harry. I hope these two have gotten to spend some time together - Charles poignantly spoke about not being able to do so during lockdown some weeks ago.

Nice Nofret 10-23-2020 02:42 PM

The more I read about Harry & Megs relationship it seems to resamble to one who one partner tries to separate the other on from all prior bonds to family and friends. That is often the start of an abusive relationship, or one where one partner tries to dominate / manipulate and be in controll of every aspect of ones partners live.

I hope it isn't that way, but by now Harry hasn't got any friends and working familiyrelations left...

poppy7 10-23-2020 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nice Nofret (Post 2350556)
The more I read about Harry & Megs relationship it seems to resamble to one who one partner tries to separate the other on from all prior bonds to family and friends. That is often the start of an abusive relationship, or one where one partner tries to dominate / manipulate and be in controll of every aspect of ones partners live.

I hope it isn't that way, but by now Harry hasn't got any friends and working familiyrelations left...

Would all of the come under coercive control? Which is now classed as abuse. I'm a Veggie. I have little interest in my partners views on these things and if he went shooting I would have little interest in that. He has a right to his own life.

Fijiro 10-23-2020 07:00 PM

I feel that the Author included Prince Harry & Meghan in a negative light to get people to talk about her book, because she knew that would get more clicks and more negative comments.

TLLK 10-23-2020 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by caethi (Post 2350522)
I am not referring to a formal announcement.

He may have been worried that if this were widely known, Meghan would be blamed and receive even more criticism than she was receiving at the time.
The shooting party seems to have been arranged by friends, not family.


However if the story from Vanity Fair is true, would it not have been better to decline the invitation all together or make it clear to his hosts that he no longer participated in shooting? Then the hosts and the other guests would not have been left waiting that morning.

Betsypaige 10-23-2020 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TLLK (Post 2350585)
However if the story from Vanity Fair is true, would it not have been better to decline the invitation all together or make it clear to his hosts that he no longer participated in shooting? Then the hosts and the other guests would not have been left waiting that morning.

Of course it would have.......It's ridiculous that he kept everyone in the dark, and then kept everyone waiting, because he couldn't be bothered to speak to them beforehand. I'm having a very hard time liking Harry even a bit....

Osipi 10-23-2020 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsypaige (Post 2350587)
Of course it would have.......It's ridiculous that he kept everyone in the dark, and then kept everyone waiting, because he couldn't be bothered to speak to them beforehand. I'm having a very hard time liking Harry even a bit....

A perfect and acceptable solution to this problem was overlooked. The shooting party had been arranged, set up and ready to go. Harry, with his own good reasons, could be justified in deciding not to shoot that day but what prevented him from going along on the shoot with his friends and enjoying the day? Even if he didn't shoot a gun himself?

Many people go out drinking with their friends and abstain from alcohol for various reasons. It was the skipping out on the outing itself at the last minute that was rude. Deciding he'll no longer shoot (for whatever reason) was a personal choice. ;)

Curryong 10-23-2020 09:17 PM

That is if this story is even true in the first place. The Press have been cherry picking these excerpts from Ingrid Seward's book featuring Harry and Meghan because they are desperate for Clickbait. And Ms Seward, who has criticised Meghan many times in the DM knows that writing negatively about either of the Sussexes might help the sales of her books.

Prince Philip has had an extremely long and quite interesting life. It's remarkable that most of what has been featured in the tabloid media about it is concentrated in the last two of 99 years of this man's existence. But that's life I guess. Gotta sell those books, keep those the clicks going.

Betsypaige 10-24-2020 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 2350596)
A perfect and acceptable solution to this problem was overlooked. The shooting party had been arranged, set up and ready to go. Harry, with his own good reasons, could be justified in deciding not to shoot that day but what prevented him from going along on the shoot with his friends and enjoying the day? Even if he didn't shoot a gun himself?

Many people go out drinking with their friends and abstain from alcohol for various reasons. It was the skipping out on the outing itself at the last minute that was rude. Deciding he'll no longer shoot (for whatever reason) was a personal choice. ;)

He could have done that ...I agree that it was the skipping out - and not letting anyone know - that was rude. What I donít understand is why Harry didnít let anyone know that he was no longer going to hunt ...I donít mean on that day, I mean well before then. Clearly his friends had no idea or else they wouldnít have put this all together, which must have taken some doing.

Osipi 10-24-2020 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsypaige (Post 2350606)
He could have done that ...I agree that it was the skipping out - and not letting anyone know - that was rude. What I donít understand is why Harry didnít let anyone know that he was no longer going to hunt ...I donít mean on that day, I mean well before then. Clearly his friends had no idea or else they wouldnít have put this all together, which must have taken some doing.

Perhaps it was a bone of contention that flared up in bed the night before between Harry and Meghan for all we know.

Its all water under the bridge now and who knows what parts of the story are actually true? I'm filing this in the ancient history folder as "irrelevant" to things I need to remember. :lol:

Claire 10-24-2020 07:55 AM

To be blunt - this book has nothing going for it. Nothing. M&H are mentioned 4 times - Phillip was certain to be well enough to walk for Harry's wedding. He came down to see Archie by request of the Queen. The incident at the hunt and finally his disappointed in Harry doing a runner. 4 mentions - which are little more then a paragraph each.
So yes - if this is the books only selling point then well you get my point on the quality of this biography.

Claire 10-24-2020 08:09 AM

Oddly if you look at how Phillip's relationship with his immediately family are dealt with in pages and mentions. You will be under the impression that Philip most enduring relationship is with Diana. Diana gets more pages then the Queen :)
The Queen is about a chapter
Charles is about a 10pg on my kindle and then sputtering's here and there. Camilla about 2 paragraphs.
Anne about 6 pg which is all of how she is just like Philip.
Andrew is a short bio of his life ending with his teen years and then in the epilogue. about the problems he is now creating the Queen. Sarah - one line. I don't remember anything about Beatrice . Brief mention of Eugenie's wedding.
Edward - 4 pages about his early life ending with Philip supporting him quitting the Marines. Sophie and Louise are mentioned in the chapter of carriage driving. (Sentence reads - it is a sport that is now continued by the Countess of Wessex and Lady Louise Windsor) James is not mentioned at all
William and Kate get at least 9 pages about how wonderful they are and how they are the future of the monarchy.

Betsypaige 10-24-2020 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Claire (Post 2350634)
Oddly if you look at how Phillip's relationship with his immediately family are dealt with in pages and mentions. You will be under the impression that Philip most enduring relationship is with Diana. Diana gets more pages then the Queen :)
The Queen is about a chapter
Charles is about a 10pg on my kindle and then sputtering's here and there. Camilla about 2 paragraphs.
Anne about 6 pg which is all of how she is just like Philip.
Andrew is a short bio of his life ending with his teen years and then in the epilogue. about the problems he is now creating the Queen. Sarah - one line. I don't remember anything about Beatrice . Brief mention of Eugenie's wedding.
Edward - 4 pages about his early life ending with Philip supporting him quitting the Marines. Sophie and Louise are mentioned in the chapter of carriage driving. (Sentence reads - it is a sport that is now continued by the Countess of Wessex and Lady Louise Windsor) James is not mentioned at all
William and Kate get at least 9 pages about how wonderful they are and how they are the future of the monarchy.

That is odd, especially about Charles since he is the heir and the child Philip has the most fraught relationship with. Did Seward indicate at all what their relationship is like now?

To be fair, thereís been lots of stuff written about Philipís relationship with the Queen - assuming thereís nothing new under the sun, I can see why Seward would rather devote more time to other parts of his life that havenít been explored fully.

Winnie 10-24-2020 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsypaige (Post 2350653)

To be fair, thereís been lots of stuff written about Philipís relationship with the Queen - assuming thereís nothing new under the sun, I can see why Seward would rather devote more time to other parts of his life that havenít been explored fully.

I certainly agree. To just repeat items from other authors or journalists articles is just filling pages to enlarge their books. Not worth people spending money on once again. Now different true facts on prior written articles which were discovered, well worth the writing. JMO

Sandy345 10-24-2020 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AC21091968 (Post 2350476)
Ingrid Seward did an interview with Katie Nicholl on Vanity Fair ahead of the release of Prince Philip Revealed

Why Prince Harryís Relationship with Prince Philip Still Hasnít Recovered: ďThis Has Been a Great ShockĒ
In her new biography Prince Philip Revealed, Ingrid Seward writes that the Queenís husband has compared Meghan Markle to Wallis Simpson, even though he welcomed her to the family at first.
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/202...p-relationship

I hope this is not true. Since Mrs Simpson is nothing like Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Harry and Meghan were free to see each other, Wallis had a husband when she was seeing Edward. Also, Harry was never a King who abdicated And above all, Philip should realize that three of his children got divorced and two remarried so there is less "stigma" about divorce than there was in the thirties.

Nice Nofret 10-24-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy345 (Post 2350676)
I hope this is not true. Since Mrs Simpson is nothing like Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Harry and Meghan were free to see each other, Wallis had a husband when she was seeing Edward. Also, Harry was never a King who abdicated And above all, Philip should realize that three of his children got divorced and two remarried so there is less "stigma" about divorce than there was in the thirties.




I don't see the 'Wallis Simpson' comparison so litrally, about a divorced woman, but more about a woman who gets her hubby to leave his duties and family behind.

Betsypaige 10-24-2020 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Winnie (Post 2350675)
I certainly agree. To just repeat items from other authors or journalists articles is just filling pages to enlarge their books. Not worth people spending money on once again. Now different true facts on prior written articles which were discovered, well worth the writing. JMO

Exactly. It seem to me the point of this book is to inform about Philip, who has had an incredibly long and interesting life, much of which is likely unknown. Thatís probably why thereís apparently not a lot about his relationships with his children...

TLLK 10-24-2020 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nice Nofret (Post 2350678)
I don't see the 'Wallis Simpson' comparison so litrally, about a divorced woman, but more about a woman who gets her hubby to leave his duties and family behind.


:previous: I have to agree. The comparison reportedly made by Prince Phillip is that the two were Americans and divorced but that ultimately the royal chose to leave behind their role as a working member of the BRF.

Betsypaige 10-24-2020 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TLLK (Post 2350693)
:previous: I have to agree. The comparison reportedly made by Prince Phillip is that the two were Americans and divorced but that ultimately the royal chose to leave behind their role as a working member of the BRF.

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Earlier this month Ms Steward discussed Prince Philip's overwhelming sense of duty in a piece for the Mail on Sunday.

She said it 'grieves' him that many younger members of the Royal Family 'do not appear to share his values'.

'He has struggled greatly, for example, with what he sees as his grandson Harryís dereliction of duty, giving up his homeland and everything he cared about for a life of self-centred celebrity in North America,' Ms Steward wrote.

'He has found it hard to understand exactly what it was that made his grandsonís life so unbearable. As far as Philip was concerned, Harry and Meghan had everything going for them: a beautiful home, a healthy son, and a unique opportunity to make a global impact with their charity work.

'For a man whose entire existence has been based on a dedication to doing the right thing, it appeared that his grandson had abdicated his responsibilities for the sake of his marriage to an American divorcee in much the same way as Edward VIII gave up his crown to marry Wallis Simpson in 1937.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...-monarchy.html

AC21091968 11-09-2020 12:49 AM

Ingrid Seward spoke to Fox News around five days ago about her book Prince Philip Revealed: A Man of His Century. The content of her interview were similar to those she gave to previous news publications.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...id-seward-book

The Sunday Mirror has picked up the Fox News interview and decided to focus on Harry & Meghan (article published on 7th November). This is despite Claire mentioned that the book only mentioned Harry's name 4 times

Meghan Markle 'felt Brits didn't understand her' and wasn't 'a great fan of England'
Royal Biographer Ingrid Seward sees in Meghan and Harry's split from The Firm a mirror image with the famous abdication crisis of 1937, when American socialite and divorcee Wallis Simpson 'hated England'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...didnt-22970513

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Originally Posted by Claire (Post 2350630)
To be blunt - this book has nothing going for it. Nothing. M&H are mentioned 4 times - Phillip was certain to be well enough to walk for Harry's wedding. He came down to see Archie by request of the Queen. The incident at the hunt and finally his disappointed in Harry doing a runner. 4 mentions - which are little more then a paragraph each.
So yes - if this is the books only selling point then well you get my point on the quality of this biography.

I do think the Mirror is certainly trying to have an attention grabbing headline to continue the narrative that Harry & Meghan would not be back in the UK soon and possibly not be part of the Sunday Remembrance Service. The Sunday Times on the next day released an article that Harry was denied to lay a wreath at Cenotaph.

Prince Harryís plea to lay Cenotaph wreath denied
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...nied-t2wtght2m

Betsypaige 11-09-2020 03:23 AM

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ďHe will always support the queen,Ē she said. ďHarry and Meghan had their own agenda really. For Philip, he felt if thatís what they want to do, then thatís what they must do. But they will also have to face the consequences.Ē
And indeed, something like being denied the ability to lay a Centotaph wreath is one of the consequences of Harry choosing the life he did. He chose to live a more private life (though I think he doesnít understand the meaning of the word) and to do so in America, which is not the UK and which has its own traditions, etc. As long as they continue to try and get away with living half and half, they are going to continue to have their hands proverbially slapped. Again, consequences...

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Philipís greatest legacy is the lessons heís taught his sons, which were passed on to his grandsons and great-sonsÖ Heís a sort of character who hardly exists anymore because he has this great devotion to duty. However uncomfortable it may be, he feels duty comes first. And I think people donít have that anymore.Ē
Of course, Philip comes from a different generation, but he did pass that sense of duty on, and I hope he knows that he is in no way a failure because Harry repudiated this. However wacky he thought Charles was, however worried he was about his being King, I hope heís well secure in the knowledge that his eldest has a pronounced sense of duty, as does his eldest. I hope Philip is able to enjoy these years..

MaiaMia_53 11-09-2020 05:36 AM

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As far as I can see, the Sussexes are facing the consequences of their choices just fine, regardless of what Seward or any other book writer, or indeed any royal reporters or royal observers think, imagine and constantly criticize.

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Originally Posted by Erin9 (Post 2350490)
If indeed Harry’s relationship with Philip is still in poor shape, that wouldn’t surprise me. What Harry did and how he did it goes against Philip’s entire life...

I don't think royal observers get to decide how Prince Harry lives his life. As far as Harry's personal choices 'going against' his grandfather's life, it makes sense to me that Harry should be able to carve out his own independent life as a full grown man with core family unit responsibilities in the 21st-century. Harry is not a directly in line heir to the British throne. There's no necessity for Harry to relive his grandfather's life from a past century.

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Originally Posted by Betsypaige (Post 2350552)
That’s the thing, Harry is completely thoughtless when it comes to other people - it’s all about himself, or Meghan. It’s easy to see why he’s pushed away his old friends...there’s only so much people can tolerate before they’ve had enough.

People grow, mature and move on from particular friendships, as their lives change. That's not unusual. As far as your belief that Harry is thoughtless and selfish, please note that everything Harry has done in his life and how he treats others totally debunks your viewpoints. Among many gentlemanly acts, Harry spoke up in support of both Camilla and Kate when they were objects of unfair press criticism as new members of the BRF.

There are so many instances of Harry treating people with kindness and compassion. Like any human being, he made youthful mistakes and he's not a perfect person. Meeting and falling in love with Meghan and marrying her is undoubtedly something that Harry feels grateful and blessed about. It doesn't behoove any royal reporters nor anyone in the royal firm to continue disparaging M&H for loving each other and for desiring to live an independent life with the ability to make their own decisions and their own income. Harry is currently only 6th in line to the British throne. Despite how hard he and Meghan were working on behalf of the firm, there were conflicts behind-the-scenes that could not be resolved. The continual laying the blame only on Harry and Meghan is off-base.

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Originally Posted by Nice Nofret (Post 2350556)
The more I read about Harry & Megs relationship it seems to resamble to one who one partner tries to separate the other on from all prior bonds to family and friends. That is often the start of an abusive relationship, or one where one partner tries to dominate / manipulate and be in controll of every aspect of ones partners live.

I hope it isn't that way, but by now Harry hasn't got any friends and working family relations left...

There's no indication whatsoever that M&H's relationship involves dominance and abuse. That's apparently a speculative fantasy existing in the heads of British tabloid writers, and swallowed whole by gullible readers and by people who dislike the Sussexes. By the way, Harry has plenty of friends and respected colleagues in the U.K. and around the world. I have no personal knowledge of the current state of his relations with members of the BRF, but I see no reason to believe that Harry isn't regularly in contact with many of his cousins, his father and his grandparents.

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Originally Posted by Nice Nofret (Post 2350678)
I don't see the 'Wallis Simpson' comparison so literally, about a divorced woman, but more about a woman who gets her hubby to leave his duties and family behind.

Harry made an unequivocal public statement in January informing us that he made the decision to step down from senior royal duties in order to protect his family. He said that if the public "knew what I know" maybe they would understand why the decision was necessary to protect his family. I believe Harry over Ingrid Seward and other tabloid reporters.

Curryong 11-09-2020 06:37 AM

If Ingrid Seward chose to write a biography of Prince Philip why has she chosen to spend the vast majority of her time when publicising this book in interviews and in print in criticising Meghan and Harry and their actions?

Seward has never been a great fan of Meghan but I would have thought that there would have been plenty of interest to write about in the 99 years of Prince Philip's existence without rehashing Megxit and what she believes about the Sussex relationship.

As far as I know this author has never met either Harry or Meghan, nor has she sat down with Prince Philip for an interview on this or any other subject. So really, what has been printed about the Sussexes and Prince Philip's reaction from her book is all speculation and her own opinion.

Claire 11-09-2020 06:57 AM

Hmmm - Ingrid Seward definitely had inside connections in the 1980's till the early 2010's. Most of her previous books were written with interviews that were approved by the sources. Notably the biography on the Earl of Wessex she interviewed Edward directly and had access to friends and some family. The same with the book on Royals Childhood. However something appears to have happened with her access - don't know what. But she appears no longer have that access or has it significantly less then before. Personally I just think that the royals were more open to interviews at one time - they are no longer so willing.
That been said - this book is terrible. And really all she can sell about this book is Harry and Meghan as that is the gossip wanted at the moment. She would be flogging Andrew and Epstein if that was in vogue. She needs to sell a book - and the market want to hear one song.

Queen Claude 11-09-2020 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2353689)
If Ingrid Seward chose to write a biography of Prince Philip why has she chosen to spend the vast majority of her time when publicising this book in interviews and in print in criticising Meghan and Harry and their actions?

Seward has never been a great fan of Meghan but I would have thought that there would have been plenty of interest to write about in the 99 years of Prince Philip's existence without rehashing Megxit and what she believes about the Sussex relationship.

As far as I know this author has never met either Harry or Meghan, nor has she sat down with Prince Philip for an interview on this or any other subject. So really, what has been printed about the Sussexes and Prince Philip's reaction from her book is all speculation and her own opinion.

Yeah a lot of Seward's comments in her book and interviews seem to be her projecting her own thoughts onto Prince Philip versus her having well-placed sources who are giving her information, albeit second hand, about Prince Philip.

And by the way, Prince Philip was born a Prince of Greece and Denmark and was fairly high up in the line of succession for the Greek throne. Philip renounced his Greek citizenship and place in the line of succession to the Greek throne for ... love... personal happiness... [his or his uncle's] ambition? So all this talk about Prince Philip's sense of duty is related to duty to a country and throne that he is connected to through marriage and not birth.

Denville 11-09-2020 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen Claude (Post 2353696)
Yeah a lot of Seward's comments in her book and interviews seem to be her projecting her own thoughts onto Prince Philip versus her having well-placed sources who are giving her information, albeit second hand, about Prince Philip.

And by the way, Prince Philip was born a Prince of Greece and Denmark and was fairly high up in the line of succession for the Greek throne. Philip renounced his Greek citizenship and place in the line of succession to the Greek throne for ... love... personal happiness... [his or his uncle's] ambition? So all this talk about Prince Philip's sense of duty is related to duty to a country and throne that he is connected to through marriage and not birth.

Philip became a British citizen because he had lived much of his life in Britian and had become part of her Navy. Teh Greek Monarchy was unstable and he was born in exile. He could harldy devote himself to the Greek monarchy and he chose then to make Britian his home and married the queen. He's been a hard working royal since his marriage and gave up his Naval career which he loved to support the queen.. It wasn't easy for him but he did it and he's gone on working till he was too old and ill to work any more...

Queen Claude 11-09-2020 08:58 AM

:previous:
Yes I am aware of Prince Philip's background. Philip, despite spending most of his life in the UK and fighting for Britain in World War II, did not renounce his Greek titles until the run up to the announcement of his engagement to The Princess Elizabeth, heiress presumptive to the British throne. Yes the Greek monarchy was unstable but that would not have precluded him from devoting himself to the Greek monarchy or the country itself - his mother returned to Greece in the late 1930s.

I don't fault Philip at all for the choice he made, just noting the irony of people like Seward stating that "dutiful" Philip does not understand Harry's actions when Philip's duty has been to a country that he did not become a naturalized citizen of until he was an adult and the impetus to renounce his titles to his birth country was due to his impending marriage to the future monarch of the UK


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Originally Posted by Claire (Post 2353695)
Hmmm - Ingrid Seward definitely had inside connections in the 1980's till the early 2010's. Most of her previous books were written with interviews that were approved by the sources. Notably the biography on the Earl of Wessex she interviewed Edward directly and had access to friends and some family. The same with the book on Royals Childhood. However something appears to have happened with her access - don't know what. But she appears no longer have that access or has it significantly less then before. Personally I just think that the royals were more open to interviews at one time - they are no longer so willing.
That been said - this book is terrible. And really all she can sell about this book is Harry and Meghan as that is the gossip wanted at the moment. She would be flogging Andrew and Epstein if that was in vogue. She needs to sell a book - and the market want to hear one song.

Interesting comment. As I mentioned in my previous quote, Seward's commentary does seem to be her projecting and theorizing. I also suspected that she no longer has the access that she did previously but you fleshed it out very well. I would go further and state that there are probably other royal reporters and commentators who are perceived as being in the know but may no longer be as inside the loop as they were before, and therefore their commentary may not be as credible as it once, which you also addressed.


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