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Eskimo 05-06-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TLLK (Post 2312594)
:previous: I love holding a book and prefer turning pages to swiping. That being said, I do appreciate the slim size of my reader when it comes to being out of the house. I can take it to a waiting room while I wait for my appointment and it's so much easier than a book when I travel.

I give blessings for my kindle/Ipad every day. I love reading and have vision issues so had to wait until a braille edition came out. Now, I can increase the font size on my device :smile:

Betsypaige 05-06-2020 11:16 AM

My mother has a Kindle, and I get how convenient it is for travel, but I refuse to get one as my form of protest. I love holding books and feeling the pages....I love running my hands over new, smooth hardcovers ...

Sun Lion 05-06-2020 04:28 PM

Omid Scobie about his new book -

Beware, this is a Daily Mail link, if you wish to avoid that outlet.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...peaks-out.html

Durham 05-06-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Lion (Post 2312683)
Omid Scobie about his new book -

Beware, this is a Daily Mail link, if you wish to avoid that outlet.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...peaks-out.html

I like the way you warn us:lol:

Durham 05-06-2020 05:47 PM

The blurb says that the couple are "determined to create a new path away from the spotlight". Don't know what the authors mean by that.

And what does "with unique access" mean?

And what is "a (modern) royal family"? There's "the royal family". It's not made up of little spin offs like a tv series.

Eskimo 05-06-2020 05:49 PM

He’s been “quietly beavering away at the project for 2 years”. H&M have not yet been married for two years. How did the authors know that they planned on leaving the RF two years ago?

Muhler 05-06-2020 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Durham (Post 2312701)
The blurb says that the couple are "determined to create a new path away from the spotlight". Don't know what the authors mean by that.

And what does "with unique access" mean?

And what is "a (modern) royal family"? There's "the royal family". It's not made up of little spin offs like a tv series.

"Unique access" = they are my friends.

"A modern royal family" = they approach their roles as I like it.

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Originally Posted by Eskimo (Post 2312702)
He’s been “quietly beavering away at the project for 2 years”. H&M have not yet been married for two years. How did the authors know that they planned on leaving the RF two years ago?

Do be fair, just because there are holes a supertanker can sail through, there is no need to point them out. :lol:

- The more I read about this book the less serious it seems to be, also to those who are sympathetic to H&M, and who would presumably prefer a more in depth and serious approach, because there are plenty of issues that can be addressed and plenty of questions that could be answered.
A sycophantic glossing-over won't benefit H&M.

Curryong 05-06-2020 06:41 PM

He didn't and has never said he did. Omid said he began the project 'about two years ago'. In other words, with the Sussexes' wedding coming up he (and presumably Carolyn) planned to write a biography on the royal couple and IMO were going to publish it in 2019.

However, things kept happening re the Sussexes (including the tabloids' attacks, the move from KP to Frogmore, rumoured feuds etc) and it snowballed. The Coronavirus added an extra complication. And so, this book will be published with the Sussexes in LA, something I do not believe anybody, including the authors or their subjects thought would happen in May 2018.

Pranter 05-07-2020 07:53 AM

I love my kindle, I have a lot of books on it. However there are certain authors I 'collect' so when they have a new book I get the actual book. I use the Kindle Unlimited program to get free books for most everything else. Now and then I do buy a book from Kindle but it's not common.

I did order the Sussex book via Kindle. There are some good biographies about Royals on the Unlimited program.

LaRae

Claire 05-07-2020 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Durham (Post 2312701)
The blurb says that the couple are "determined to create a new path away from the spotlight". Don't know what the authors mean by that.

And what does "with unique access" mean?

And what is "a (modern) royal family"? There's "the royal family". It's not made up of little spin offs like a tv series.

Hmm - Maybe he will explain how they are attempting to do that while exercising their right to publicity on their own terms. Absolutely nothing this couple has done says they want privacy.
And the path - well that seems to be the path of the Obamas, Bill and Melinda Gates, Oprah and Gloop - that is new about it. It is not even new to other Royals.

Denville 05-07-2020 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Claire (Post 2312816)
Hmm - Maybe he will explain how they are attempting to do that while exercising their right to publicity on their own terms. Absolutely nothing this couple has done says they want privacy.
And the path - well that seems to be the path of the Obamas, Bill and Melinda Gates, Oprah and Gloop - that is new about it. It is not even new to other Royals.

I doubt if they wrote it, they may not even have had input

Pranter 05-07-2020 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2312819)
I doubt if they wrote it, they may not even have had input

From what I read the authors have said they had no help from the Sussexes..no interviews etc. Scobie may be a Sussex fan however Durand has been critical of them in the past. Plus, from my understanding, she is credible in the world of media.


LaRae

Claire 05-08-2020 01:35 PM

Former Royal Correspondent for The Sun, Charles Rae, took to Twitter, saying the choice of publisher is ironic.

Mr Rae said: “Harry & Meghan’s bio is called Finding Freedom. Ironically published by Dey Street Books, owned by Harper Collins, owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp, which also owns The Sun – one of the papers that the freedom couple have refused to speak to.”

“You couldn’t make it up.”

https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/sussex...merate-141870/

Marengo 05-13-2020 04:28 AM

This thread is not about the Daily Mail.

Posts in this thread should relate to its topic, namely the book 'Thoroughly Modern Royals'. Other posts will get deleted.

Sun Lion 05-23-2020 08:52 PM

The decision to quit the Royal Family was made by the Duke.

The term “Megxit” angers him.

“The book will explain why it had to happen”.

And there will be no coverage of the situation between the Duchess and her father.

New revelations from Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand’s forthcoming book.

The 368 page book is due out on August 11th.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/116950...eaving-royals/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-Markle.html

Curryong 05-23-2020 10:05 PM

I'm glad this book will go into the decision to leave their duties as senior royals. Personally, I have never believed in Megxit. It was Harry who was present at the negotiations at Sandringham. Meghan wasn't. And in his last speech before the couple left England in the Spring Harry referred to his decision to leave and that he felt there was no alternative.
It makes me even more eager to read this book when it comes out.

Sun Lion 05-23-2020 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2315931)
I'm glad this book will go into the decision to leave their duties as senior royals. Personally, I have never believed in Megxit. It was Harry who was present at the negotiations at Sandringam. Meghan wasn't. And in his last speech before the couple left England in the Spring Harry referred to his decision to leave and that he felt there was no alternative.
It makes me even more eager to read this book when it comes out.


You're right there Curryong that it was the Duke - and not the both of them - at the "Sandringham Summit".

A few years ago I read a quote from a someone - and insider - saying they were "both birds with broken wings" which really struck me.

I personally will be very suprised if they ever return to their UK life.

(And I found Lady Colin Campbell's comment about the Duke being an "alpha male" married to an "alpha female" an interesting slant - how such men never leave such wives. I can't see the Duke giving up what he now has, for something he hasn't wanted - Royal life, Royal duty. And what is in the UK for the Duchess?)

Curryong 05-23-2020 10:49 PM

The couple are certainly both the product of broken marriages and tumultuous divorces. I suppose that's where the 'broken wings' analogy comes from. However they are happy together so far. And no, I don't think they will return to royal life, though in some ways I wish they would.

I find it more interesting Sun Lion that (a) Lady Colin can pronounce on what type of male and female Harry and Meghan are without ever meeting either of them (though she may have seen Harry a few times as a small child I've never believed she was ever a Diana confidante.)

Nor, what is perhaps more disagreeable, decide to write a biography of them without ever even speaking to them. Still, I suppose the profit motive rules.

KellyAtLast 05-23-2020 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Lion (Post 2315934)
You're right there Curryong that it was the Duke - and not the both of them - at the "Sandringham Summit".

A few years ago I read a quote from a someone - and insider - saying they were "both birds with broken wings" which really struck me.

I personally will be very suprised if they ever return to their UK life.

(And I found Lady Colin Campbell's comment about the Duke being an "alpha male" married to an "alpha female" an interesting slate - how such men never leave such wives. I can't see the Duke giving up what he now has, for something he hasn't wanted - Royal life, Royal duty. And what is in the UK for the Duchess?)

He wanted royal life. Remember their statement from the website they wanted to "collaborate" with the queen while living outside of the UK. They wanted to be half in royal life nitpicking what events they want to do instead of taking what the queen gives them. They wanted both royal life and a "commercial" life the queen said you can't have both you have to choose one. So they chose "commercial". They still want royal life now considering how they still use the Duke and Duchess of Sussex title every change they get. and since they still want 95% money from the cornwall. If Harry really wasn't about that life of royalty he wouldn't claim 95% of royal money or take house on royal property. If he was sincere about not wanting that royal life he should have not accepted the dukedom and instead tell the queen and charles he wants to be known as Harry Windsor and live a quiet life. No they wanted things their way and they wanted it on their time. When they didn't get it they threw a tantrum and left. But don't think Harry doesn't want the royal life he does just not the duty part.

Curryong 05-23-2020 11:35 PM

Harry and Meghan were full of enthusiasm for their future lives in the engagement interview and for the first months of the marriage until the media attacks became too much.

Harry was given the title of Duke of Sussex by his grandmother. Why shouldn't he (and Meghan) use the titles. They hardly stole them! And if they were so in love with being treated as royalty they would never have given up their lives as senior royals. I'll wait and see what information this book of Scobie and Durand provides on their leaving before pronouncing on it, and always thinking the worst of this couple.

Sun Lion 05-24-2020 12:18 AM

I’m glad we have two, hopefully insightful, books coming out at more or less the same time, and so early after these recent events.

I think the two approaches will give those with an interest in the Royal Couple a chance to get a broader, and I hope deeper, look than just one book.

And I think this book “Finding Freedom”, to make the claim that their exit from the UK was driven more by the Duke, this shows they have in some way co-operated with the authors. I can’t see that being in there without the couple’s ok.

Hallo girl 05-24-2020 03:58 AM

Call me stupid but how can we possibly believe this is the true story when if as is being inferred there was no involvement from H & M it must therefore be based on conjecture and gossip. That is no different to other so called 'true stories'.
If they are involved I do not think IMO they will trash the BRF, possibly the courtiers and the system but not the family.
If there is no detail around Thomas Markle that also infers a certain amount of control because lets be honest that is a big part of the story , and some of that is on the record, not all of it but some.
What I am trying to say badly is that IMO it will be self evident how much input there has been by the detail either included or excluded. It all tells a tale.

Muhler 05-24-2020 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sun Lion (Post 2315922)
The decision to quit the Royal Family was made by the Duke.

The term “Megxit” angers him.

“The book will explain why it had to happen”.

And there will be no coverage of the situation between the Duchess and her father.

New revelations from Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand’s forthcoming book.

The 368 page book is due out on August 11th.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/116950...eaving-royals/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-Markle.html

Aha.
So it is an official unofficial account by H&M.

It sure won't make things easier for H&M in so many ways! In fact I hardly know where to start! :ohmy:

Okay, Harry has wanted to opt out, or at the very least become a very secondary figure within the BRF, while at the same time working very much in the public eye for carefully selected causes. - That's at best a wishful contradiction. I cannot imagine the public buying that one.

The break was a necessary move. - At that time? With such a short notice? And so abruptly? The phasing out couldn't have been more slow? - I'm afraid the public majority will see that as a confirmation of Harry in particular betraying the BRF, and especially QEII.

Harry is shielding Meghan by taking full responsibility. That's been typical of Harry's behavior regarding his wife. Nothing new there. - Whether the public believes it is an entirely different matter.

One thing is certain, if this book is allowed to stand, without elaboration from H&M, or confirmation by the BRF, it will IMO have the consequence that Harry will have burned quite a few bridges behind him in regards to the British public. (His relationship with the BRF is not something I will go into here, it would be pure speculation.)
It would make it much more difficult for H&M to operate in Britain in connection with the causes them still seem anxious to support. Not to mention returning there at some point. - And whether the public will be impressed in a number of other countries, Canada, Australia and New Zealand in particular, will be interesting to see. That I will leave to the residents of these countries here on TRF to judge.

As for the details about what they had to eat and such, that's either sugary PR or fill, probably both IMO. Because the absolutely most important part of this book is the "explanation and justification" and that's why it will be published.

I'm again left almost numb.
It is IMO a disastrous approach.
Why can't they find a friendly and uncritical reporter on some network and explain themselves quietly? That shouldn't be a problem.
The interview would still cause a huge stir, but at least it's honest and there is a, albeit small, chance the public will accept their explanation.
But this roundabout way will backfire big time!

No matter what. This will not lessen the controversy around H&M and it will not make them look more sympathetic in the eyes of the general public. I simply cannot imagine that happening in this respect.

Hallo girl 05-24-2020 04:20 AM

We could end up with an ' Andrew Morton ' scenario where the subjects deny all involvement but it is obvious by some of the detail that there had to be some communication.

The devil will be in the detail as the saying goes.
Here is a question if they have no involvement and there are things in the book that they disagree with, will they sue

Muhler 05-24-2020 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hallo girl (Post 2315953)
We could end up with an ' Andrew Morton ' scenario where the subjects deny all involvement but it is obvious by some of the detail that there had to be some communication.

The devil will be in the detail as the saying goes.
Here is a question if they have no involvement and there are things in the book that they disagree with, will they sue

Well, if they were in disagreement about the contents of the book, (any serious, decent and professional author surely would have approached H&M with the manuscript for them to comment on, if this is supposed to be a pro-H&M book) I believe H&M would have contacted the author or publisher via a solicitor, to either retract the book or at the very least make it crystal clear that this book is not in any way approved by H&M.
The fact that the book is going to be published, with so much emphasis on their... exit... and in such details, without H&M making it clear they have not contributed to the book or that they feel the book does not represent their views, means it is an official unofficial account.
Silence won't work, as the author is close to them personally.

The alternative is indeed to sue. But that means appearing in court where H&M will be forced to say what is incorrect in the book.

No matter what H&M are forced to at some point personally account for themselves, their motives, their approach and their reasoning.
This book will raise more questions than it answers. The foremost in my mind being: Is what the book says correct?

H&M have painted themselves even more into a corner.

Fem 05-24-2020 04:56 AM

I may not like the situation, but damn, the more information we have about this book it just seems more and more interesting.

(And before I get attacked here, yes, I fully believe Meghan and Harry did not gave an interview for this book, as it was said, but come on, an interview is not the only way they could supply Omid with information.)

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The reality is Harry drove that decision. The book will make that clear and explain why it had to happen. The truth is Harry had been unhappy for a long, long time. He wanted to move in the direction that they did and had been considering it for more than a year.
Look at this quote from "insider publisher" - if the book truly explains that situation fully, I don't believe it happened without some form of cooperation from Meghan and Harry. And tbh, I don't think they had anything nefarious in mind, they just wanted to get their version of the story out and choose this way. The BRF have a rocky history with going public with their life (the 1969 documentary, Morton's book, Diana's Panorama interview, Prince Charles interview, Sussexes documentary with ITV, Prince Andrew interview...) - it's like they should stop doing that because it never ends well :lol: But maybe this book will be different, who knows.

Also interesting are the quotes from Omid:
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Duke and Duchess of Sussex enjoyed a low-key anniversary celebration, spending part of the day looking back at their 2018 wedding with a number of people over video calls—including some of the vendors who helped bring their Windsor Castle ceremony and receptions to life.
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“They all reminisced about what a beautiful and magical day it was,” says a source, who adds that the couple also Zoom-called close friends and family members throughout the day.
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And with the Sussexes now based in Los Angeles, it only seemed right to celebrate with a Southern Californian favorite: Mexican food. The couple, who also exchanged cotton-based gifts per tradition, enjoyed a number of favorite dishes together, washed down with margaritas.
Yeah, so I don't have a good opinion about the guy, but damn, if that's true he has some sources at hand to talk to. There was a hundred of ways to keep their second anniversary private and yet, it seems like Scobie got what he wanted either way. I don't know if it means that the Sussexes want that information out there or they can't stop their friends from talking or the author is simply making it up, but it's still very, very interesting.

(Quotes come from Scobie's article in HB: https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...y-celebration/)

Muhler 05-24-2020 05:33 AM

The details from their anniversary should be easy to obtain.
Omid could simply have called Meghan and asked how they celebrated their anniversary. With Meghan simply answering: Oh we had a few margaritas and some Mexican takeaway quietly here at home. - Yeah, X and Y called too.
- Even a mediocre author should be able to write a story based on that.

Back in the 80s there was a Page-3 girl (Maria Whittaker) I found very interesting - mainly for her brains and personality of course...
At the tender age of seventeen her autobiography (very well illustrated BTW...) was published. Now, there is usually a limit to how much a seventeen year old girl has experienced, so an entire chapter was devoted to her budgie. - No kidding!

Omid is IMO at that level.
These trivial (and no doubt sugary) details about H&M's anniversary is his contribution to this book.
Interviewing friends of H&M, and perhaps H&M themselves, and putting what these people said into coherent sentences is above Omid's level. It requires experience, insight and maturity, hence why the second author was brought in.
Omid provided the contacts, the other author (can't remember her name off hand) did the real work.
And as for motives, that's of course pure speculation. My guess is that Omid did the book, because he is genuinely very pro-H&M.
The other author because there is very good money in this book!
If she manages to put the exit-chapter together in an interesting and not too biased way. i.e. merely quoting people - then she can expect to be asked to write columns in the future and be called in for comments as a "royal expert on H&M." She won't even have to compromise her professional integrity that much.

Omid will no doubt be like a fish in the water at talkshows, but he would be ripped to pieces by any critical journalist.

Denville 05-24-2020 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2315935)
The couple are certainly both the product of broken marriages and tumultuous divorces. I suppose that's where the 'broken wings' analogy comes from. However they are happy together so far. And no, I don't think they will return to royal life, though in some ways I wish they would.

I find it more interesting Sun Lion that (a) Lady Colin can pronounce on what type of male and female Harry and Meghan are without ever meeting either of them (though she may have seen Harry a few times as a small child I've never believed she was ever a Diana confidante.)

Nor, what is perhaps more disagreeable, decide to write a biography of them without ever even speaking to them. Still, I suppose the profit motive rules.

Lots of biographies are written without the writer meeting the subject. What about historical biographies.

Lumutqueen 05-24-2020 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hallo girl (Post 2315950)
Call me stupid but how can we possibly believe this is the true story when if as is being inferred there was no involvement from H & M it must therefore be based on conjecture and gossip. That is no different to other so called 'true stories'.


Came here to say exactly this!

We’re being told they had no involvement in this book, so what Omid and Carolyn have written is “their” interpretation of events.

This book can’t be two things at once.

muriel 05-24-2020 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hallo girl (Post 2315950)
Call me stupid but how can we possibly believe this is the true story when if as is being inferred there was no involvement from H & M it must therefore be based on conjecture and gossip. That is no different to other so called 'true stories'.
If they are involved I do not think IMO they will trash the BRF, possibly the courtiers and the system but not the family.
If there is no detail around Thomas Markle that also infers a certain amount of control because lets be honest that is a big part of the story , and some of that is on the record, not all of it but some.
What I am trying to say badly is that IMO it will be self evident how much input there has been by the detail either included or excluded. It all tells a tale.

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2315952)
Aha.
So it is an official unofficial account by H&M.

It sure won't make things easier for H&M in so many ways! In fact I hardly know where to start! :ohmy:

I have to agree, this just seems to confirm that the book has the support and involvement of H&M.

This is even more dissappointing as Harry does not appear to have paid heed to the obvious lessons from Diana's liaisons with the press, and the issues that followed.

I do wish them well in their future lives, but IMO, it is very clear that Harry has made a number of serious errors of judgement in recent years. As to what is causing these errors of judgement, could include any or a combination of a) Harry just not being very bright and msreading the situation b) Obstinacy c) The grass is greener on the other side syndrome d)Clear direction from Meghan, and unwillingness of Harry to be able to either stand up to her or moderate her ask. All in all, it seems like a real waste, as they had real potential in their royal careers, but that chapter of their lives appears to be well and truely over.

Queen Claude 05-24-2020 07:48 AM

The authors have stated that neither Harry nor Meghan were interviewed for the book, however the Amazon description of the book has the following:

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With unique access and written with the participation of those closest to the couple...
I interpret that to mean that the authors interviewed multiple people close to the couple. Either these people knew very well what was went on and provided information that they were well-versed on, and if it was something that they were not well-versed on they went to Harry, Meghan or someone else to confirm or get further details.

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Originally Posted by Hallo girl (Post 2315950)
If there is no detail around Thomas Markle that also infers a certain amount of control because lets be honest that is a big part of the story , and some of that is on the record, not all of it but some.

Good point.

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Originally Posted by Hallo girl (Post 2315950)
If they are involved I do not think IMO they will trash the BRF, possibly the courtiers and the system but not the family.

I think that the Sussexes are indirectly involved. Those involved probably know not to take a hard line especially against The Queen. Having said that, a brief anecdote or even quote involving another member can have considerable traction and can define the book. My understanding is that Prince Charles' marriage and romantic relationships were a relatively small part of Jonathan Dimbleby's biography and interview but the biography and especially the interview is remembered for the brief segment that touches on his marriage and extra-marital affair.

I have felt for a long time that the relationship with courtiers, leaks to the media by staffers and other actions like the Sussexes not getting their own court and then having to be part of Buckingham Palace court played a major role in making the Sussexes unhappy and more importantly believing that it is unlikely that things would improve. If that is the case and is touched on in the book, I would not be surprised if there is blowback on members of the BRF.

Pranter 05-24-2020 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2315935)
The couple are certainly both the product of broken marriages and tumultuous divorces. I suppose that's where the 'broken wings' analogy comes from. However they are happy together so far. And no, I don't think they will return to royal life, though in some ways I wish they would.

I find it more interesting Sun Lion that (a) Lady Colin can pronounce on what type of male and female Harry and Meghan are without ever meeting either of them (though she may have seen Harry a few times as a small child I've never believed she was ever a Diana confidante.)

Nor, what is perhaps more disagreeable, decide to write a biography of them without ever even speaking to them. Still, I suppose the profit motive rules.


I would love to see them return..I hold out hope that in a few years (perhaps when Charles is King) they will return. That said, I don't think it's likely to happen...but I think it is an option.


LaRae

Fem 05-24-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2315961)
The details from their anniversary should be easy to obtain.
Omid could simply have called Meghan and asked how they celebrated their anniversary. With Meghan simply answering: Oh we had a few margaritas and some Mexican takeaway quietly here at home. - Yeah, X and Y called too.
- Even a mediocre author should be able to write a story based on that.

Oh, of course, but my question is... why do we need to know? Why is there this incentive to put everything in the media? No one needs to know what they were doing. And the person who gave Omid this information (be it Meghan or a friend) could simply say "no comment" and keep things private.

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Originally Posted by Queen Claude (Post 2315980)
The authors have stated that neither Harry nor Meghan were interviewed for the book (...)
I interpret that to mean that the authors interviewed multiple people close to the couple. Either these people knew very well what was went on and provided information that they were well-versed on, and if it was something that they were not well-versed on they went to Harry, Meghan or someone else to confirm or get further details.

You know they could obtain information directly from Meghan and Harry and not call that an interview, right? This was the first thing that was a bit off-putting. We got this info quite fast, but no one actually said that the Sussexes have nothing to do with this book, they did not cooperate at all and are distancing themselves from what was written. Which means that they like the contents. Which means they had some control over it.

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Originally Posted by Hallo girl (Post 2315950)
If there is no detail around Thomas Markle that also infers a certain amount of control because lets be honest that is a big part of the story , and some of that is on the record, not all of it but some.
What I am trying to say badly is that IMO it will be self evident how much input there has been by the detail either included or excluded. It all tells a tale.

I agree 100%. But it also does not surprise me in the slightest that Omid would leave out the Markle family drama if Meghan and Harry asked him to. (Which, in my eyes, makes him completely not suitable to write a book about them...)

These two are self-destroying with their actions. Any attack, even the slightest, at BRF will be blown up by the media out of proportion and it'll burn bridges between them and british public - well, those that weren't burnt already...

Muhler 05-24-2020 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fem (Post 2315988)
Oh, of course, but my question is... why do we need to know? Why is there this incentive to put everything in the media? No one needs to know what they were doing. And the person who gave Omid this information (be it Meghan or a friend) could simply say "no comment" and keep things private.

We don't.
Sugar coating? Fill? Creating a positive image, a "they are just like the rest of us" picture?

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Originally Posted by Fem (Post 2315988)
You know they could obtain information directly from Meghan and Harry and not call that an interview, right? This was the first thing that was a bit off-putting. We got this info quite fast, but no one actually said that the Sussexes have nothing to do with this book, they did not cooperate at all and are distancing themselves from what was written. Which means that they like the contents. Which means they had some control over it.

Absolutely.
Off the record. No quotes. Based on informal conversations.


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Originally Posted by Fem (Post 2315988)
I agree 100%. But it also does not surprise me in the slightest that Omid would leave out the Markle family drama if Meghan and Harry asked him to. (Which, in my eyes, makes him completely not suitable to write a book about them...)

These two are self-destroying with their actions. Any attack, even the slightest, at BRF will be blown up by the media out of proportion and it'll burn bridges between them and british public - well, those that weren't burnt already...

Nor me.
A few questions springs to mind:
What is the purpose of the book?
Who has an interest in this book being written?
How does the author and/or H&M view Thomas Markle?
Is the book supposed to benefit anyone? If so who?
- My own answers to these questions leads me to the conclusion that there is no room in this book for Thomas Markle - at all!

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2315962)
Lots of biographies are written without the writer meeting the subject. What about historical biographies.

The difference is the authors personal link to H&M.

You or I can easily write a book about H&M and even base it on some interviews.
But since the distance between us and H&M (and the BRF too) is so big, it cannot be anything but speculations - and as such something H&M can simply ignore with no harm done.

But this book is co-authored by a personal friend of H&M and seemingly based on info from people with personal links to H&M.
That makes it almost impossible for H&M to ignore it and claim plausible deniability in regards to whether they personally okayed the book.

Osipi 05-24-2020 09:46 AM

I think what bothers me mostly about the publication of this book is that it will not be an unbiased telling of a supposedly "true story". I believe it will serve to paint H&M in the most favorable light possible with skirting over issues and events where H&M could have been found to be lacking, uncooperative or even at fault. It doesn't surprise me either that Thomas Markle will be excluded. The reason for that may actually be that its something very painful to Meghan and personal and not for public consumption about her relationship with her father.

A telling of a "true story" leaves nothing out. Exposes the good, the bad, the ugly and the warts. If history is written by the victors, then this "true story" is written by supporters of one side of the issues and events. ;)

Fem 05-24-2020 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2315989)
Nor me.
A few questions springs to mind:
What is the purpose of the book?
Who has an interest in this book being written?
How does the author and/or H&M view Thomas Markle?
Is the book supposed to benefit anyone? If so who?
- My own answers to these questions leads me to the conclusion that there is no room in this book for Thomas Markle - at all!

I think we all know who is the book supposed to benefit and it's closely connected to the fact that they're skipping the Markle drama. But the thing is, I'm not sure it will do that - I think this will be another fail (another one on the list), the tabloids will drag Meghan and Harry personally for every word and they'll end up worse than they started.

But let's be honest, I haven't understood what those two were doing for the longest time and I'd kill for someone to make sense of it :lol:

Claire 05-24-2020 10:15 AM

I really think this book is more about Omid's relationship and view of the Sussex's then anything else - yes the other writer, sorry forget her name will try to balance the effort and hopefully we wont have a fluff piece

However as Omid is well known as Meghan's mouth piece - it must have been known how this book will be seen. So even if Meghan and Harry had nothing to do with it - this version will be seen as 'official' So Meghan's fans will see it like that and her not so loving followers will as well.

Omid knows that he cannot hold Meghan's favor forever and he needs to make money now while the fire is hot. Either the couple will stop sharing with him or they will no longer draw the money he is looking for. It is very possible he feels he is doing them a favor himself - showing his worth.
You must see that when Meghan and Harry left the royal family - there were a number of their court that suddenly saw their golden geese flying away. This is really all Omid has and he will milk it as long as he can.

Somebody 05-24-2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fem (Post 2315955)

Also interesting are the quotes from Omid:
Duke and Duchess of Sussex enjoyed a low-key anniversary celebration, spending part of the day looking back at their 2018 wedding with a number of people over video calls—including some of the vendors who helped bring their Windsor Castle ceremony and receptions to life.
“They all reminisced about what a beautiful and magical day it was,” says a source, who adds that the couple also Zoom-called close friends and family members throughout the day.


Yeah, so I don't have a good opinion about the guy, but damn, if that's true he has some sources at hand to talk to. There was a hundred of ways to keep their second anniversary private and yet, it seems like Scobie got what he wanted either way. I don't know if it means that the Sussexes want that information out there or they can't stop their friends from talking or the author is simply making it up, but it's still very, very interesting.

(Quotes come from Scobie's article in HB: https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...y-celebration/)

The part that is really weird to me is them calling their vendors! That really shows that they think the world of themselves. Who in their right mind would call their wedding vendors to celebrate their second wedding anniversary?!

Of course, especially in the case of a royal wedding, it is imperative to send them a thank you-note within about a month of the event. But calling their vendors two years later seems too much. Having a skype/Zoom call with some family members and your witnesses/best man etc would make sense (and hopefully the best man was indeed included in the 'close family members' they talked to) but this?!

Heavs 05-24-2020 10:31 AM

Without including at least some of the Markle drama the story will be incomplete, even from a very favourable H&M perspective. Whatever one thinks of the various members of the BRF's role in this, her family's contributions to the insane atmosphere surrounding the couple before and after their marriage both publicly and privately is something that has to be hugely impactful.

If Harry has really been desperate to walk for years, he should have done so before the wedding, that would have been a good time for a clean break. If they had been planning this for over a year say since the Australia tour then they shouldn't have rushed out a disasterous list of demands that were unviable and B) not accepted so many important patronages and other things whilst planning an escape.

MARG 05-24-2020 10:43 AM

Since I was old enough to indulge my interest in the BRF in books I believe the majority are public information is written through the lenses of "biographers" supposedly connected to their mealticket, subject, sorry subject.

Biographers seem given to amazing flights of fancy commensurate with the standing or their subject(s) and anyone who is not a friend of long standing seem to get all excited and gush effusively over their friend's and everyone is horrified at the end.

I find it hard to believe that Harry would have gone down the same road as his mother seeing that it totally ended any connection with anyone other than Charles. She didn't realise that she had literally burnt her bridges.

Would Harry stab his father and grandparents in the heart and end up only returning to the family as the outcast who walks behind the guncarriage of his father and grandparents just like his great uncle David, once the jewel in the. Crown but then an exile who is expected to leave his wife behind and leave the country as soon as is decently possible?

Something is odd to me about the Sussexes role in all this.

Denville 05-24-2020 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Heavs (Post 2315997)
Without including at least some of the Markle drama the story will be incomplete, even from a very favourable H&M perspective. Whatever one thinks of the various members of the BRF's role in this, her family's contributions to the insane atmosphere surrounding the couple before and after their marriage both publicly and privately is something that has to be hugely impactful.

If Harry has really been desperate to walk for years, he should have done so before the wedding, that would have been a good time for a clean break. If they had been planning this for over a year say since the Australia tour then they shouldn't have rushed out a disasterous list of demands that were unviable and B) not accepted so many important patronages and other things whilst planning an escape.

they would say I suppose taht they didn't "plan an escape" but that they were driven to look for a way out because they were so unhappy.. and that has cropped up in the year or so after the wedding. Depends on what you believe.. did they plan an escape from earlry on, soon after or even before the wedding..? or did they both get vrery depressed over the past months, roughly since Meghan was some months pregnant and they had Archie... and they just "had to get out" . we shall see what's said when the book comes out...

Betsypaige 05-24-2020 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hallo girl (Post 2315950)
Call me stupid but how can we possibly believe this is the true story when if as is being inferred there was no involvement from H & M it must therefore be based on conjecture and gossip. That is no different to other so called 'true stories'.
If they are involved I do not think IMO they will trash the BRF, possibly the courtiers and the system but not the family.
If there is no detail around Thomas Markle that also infers a certain amount of control because lets be honest that is a big part of the story , and some of that is on the record, not all of it but some.
What I am trying to say badly is that IMO it will be self evident how much input there has been by the detail either included or excluded. It all tells a tale.

If Omid is a friend of H and M, he wouldn’t have had to formally interview them to gauge their POV on things - the Sussexes would have opened up to him as a friend. All he’d need is their OK to proceed.

This book will portray their version of the truth - and it will be up to people to decide whether it is indeed the truth. Sadly, I believe this will be a hatchet job on Charles and the BRF as it will explain why H was sooo unhappy.

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Originally Posted by MARG (Post 2316000)
Since I was old enough to indulge my interest in the BRF in books I believe the majority are public information is written through the lenses of "biographers" supposedly connected to their mealticket, subject, sorry subject.

Biographers seem given to amazing flights of fancy commensurate with the standing or their subject(s) and anyone who is not a friend of long standing seem to get all excited and gush effusively over their friend's and everyone is horrified at the end.

I find it hard to believe that Harry would have gone down the same road as his mother seeing that it totally ended any connection with anyone other than Charles. She didn't realise that she had literally burnt her bridges.

Would Harry stab his father and grandparents in the heart and end up only returning to the family as the outcast who walks behind the guncarriage of his father and grandparents just like his great uncle David, once the jewel in the. Crown but then an exile who is expected to leave his wife behind and leave the country as soon as is decently possible?

Something is odd to me about the Sussexes role in all this.

Good points!

Harry must have given the ok for his friend Katherine to refer to her husband as a “father figure” to him, so clearly he’s not thinking about how hurt Charles might be if he got wind of this. I think H is thoughtless in many ways, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he opened up about all his issues with his father, brother, etc.. I doubt he’d say anything about HM and Philip as apparently he still talks to his granny often - plus, the British public would never forgive him. They wouldn’t be happy if he trashes his father and brother, but they wouldn’t be outraged.

Queen Claude 05-24-2020 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MARG (Post 2316000)
Since I was old enough to indulge my interest in the BRF in books I believe the majority are public information is written through the lenses of "biographers" supposedly connected to their mealticket, subject, sorry subject.

Biographers seem given to amazing flights of fancy commensurate with the standing or their subject(s) and anyone who is not a friend of long standing seem to get all excited and gush effusively over their friend's and everyone is horrified at the end.

I find it hard to believe that Harry would have gone down the same road as his mother seeing that it totally ended any connection with anyone other than Charles. She didn't realise that she had literally burnt her bridges.

Would Harry stab his father and grandparents in the heart and end up only returning to the family as the outcast who walks behind the guncarriage of his father and grandparents just like his great uncle David, once the jewel in the. Crown but then an exile who is expected to leave his wife behind and leave the country as soon as is decently possible?

Something is odd to me about the Sussexes role in all this.

I think that Harry is very much his mother's son.

Even if some unflattering things come out in the book, and while I can believe that The Queen and Charles prefer that these things not be aired, I don't know if they would consider negative anecdotes about them and the workings of the BRF as stabs to the heart. These two have lived through a lot and seen a lot.

Many people saw the Duke of Windsor as having led a mostly meaningless life, and while he did have grievances and flare ups with his family, I don't think he was overall an unhappy person. Also I don't think that the BRF is going to treat Harry like the Duke of Windsor.

Admittedly I do have concerns that things will not turn out well for Harry, in part because of my aforementioned comment that he is his mother's son. However I believe in and support that a non-heir apparent can "abdicate" and the monarchy survive.

I totally believe that the Sussexes have a role in this book. They may not have commissioned it, been formally interviewed or declared it an official biography, but I do believe that they feel misrepresented and misunderstood and as the Amazon blurb states sees the book as a means of "dispelling the many rumours and misconceptions that plague the couple".

Lee-Z 05-24-2020 12:22 PM

Well, the authors will be pleased with all the speculation and teasers about the book, the more talk, the more copies will be sold :lol:

Denville 05-24-2020 12:41 PM

of course it will sell. We're having a terrible time at present and a light read about the Sussexes will sell..

Somebody 05-24-2020 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Lion (Post 2315938)
And I think this book “Finding Freedom”, to make the claim that their exit from the UK was driven more by the Duke, this shows they have in some way co-operated with the authors. I can’t see that being in there without the couple’s ok.

This thought that it was 'Harry' who made the decision to leave the BRF and that he was the driving force behind them leaving the UK, somehow doesn't go well with the portrait Meghan paints of herself as being an advocate for women; and the importance of their voices being heard. I'd expect such a decision to be a mutual one but not one that 'Harry made for his family'.

Kataryn 05-24-2020 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2316060)
This thought that it was 'Harry' who made the decision to leave the BRF and that he was the driving force behind them leaving the UK, somehow doesn't go well with the portrait Meghan paints of herself as being an advocate for women; and the importance of their voices being heard. I'd expect such a decision to be a mutual one but not one that 'Harry made for his family'.


Why does it matter? Harry is a man raised in an old-fashioned way and then a soldier. He saw the marriage of his parents being on the rocks and then divorced because his mother claimed to having not received proper support. An upstanding officer and a Royal prince, he surely decided not to let his marriage end that way. That is a consequent way to tell his story!
Why not go with it? Especially as he must know hopw the blades have been sharpened against his (biracial!) wife who thought of herself as a "Royal Princess" (how could she?) but is now "the maleficent witch who stole the prince, using his first born son against him (thank God he's not looking like an ape, though he is!)
Each person believes in their way to tell their story, don't forget that! So of course for H&M their view is the right one and that's what they hope to bring to the public. Do I blame them? No, why? They do not live their life for me and Charles and the queen have their own way to tell them their trúth.
So I look forward to the book and after having read it, I might chime in with my opinion.

Osipi 05-24-2020 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2316060)
This thought that it was 'Harry' who made the decision to leave the BRF and that he was the driving force behind them leaving the UK, somehow doesn't go well with the portrait Meghan paints of herself as being an advocate for women; and the importance of their voices being heard. I'd expect such a decision to be a mutual one but not one that 'Harry made for his family'.

In this case, I don't think it is a matter of Meghan not having a voice in the decision to leave but because it was Harry's family business, Harry having to weigh the pros and cons about everything just about as so many different areas would be affected should he opt out and make these major changes, this was an area where Meghan should have stepped back and let Harry sort things out for himself of what he really wants and talk it over with her.

Ultimately, it *was* Harry's decision to move on with the support of his wife. It has nothing to do whatsoever with advocacy for women having a voice but more along the lines of Harry being able to express his own individuality and what he wants out of life with the support of his wife behind him.

ACO 05-24-2020 10:20 PM

Since when is Omid a personal friend of Meghan? LOL

Also Harry did a whole speech himself stating it was his decision. That is on record. Not sure how this book stating what he already told the world proves anything... other than they saw his speech.

We have two books coming out while other correspondents promoting their Sussex books. Seems to be the thing at the moment.

Lumutqueen 05-25-2020 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ACO (Post 2316103)

Also Harry did a whole speech himself stating it was his decision. That is on record. Not sure how this book stating what he already told the world proves anything... other than they saw his speech.


Did he? Which one was that?

Fem 05-25-2020 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumutqueen (Post 2316132)
Did he? Which one was that?

I think ACO talks about the speech Harry made at Sentebale event in January?

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"it brings me great sadness that it has come to this. The decision that I have made for my wife and I to step back, is not one I made lightly. It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges."

EDIT: Here's an article that has the whole speech: https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...ll-transcript/

Lumutqueen 05-25-2020 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fem (Post 2316136)
I think ACO talks about the speech Harry made at Sentebale event in January?




EDIT: Here's an article that has the whole speech: https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...ll-transcript/



Thank you, I knew it’d happened I couldn’t remember which one it was or exactly what was said.

Denville 05-25-2020 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ACO (Post 2316103)
Since when is Omid a personal friend of Meghan? LOL

Also Harry did a whole speech himself stating it was his decision. That is on record. Not sure how this book stating what he already told the world proves anything... other than they saw his speech.

We have two books coming out while other correspondents promoting their Sussex books. Seems to be the thing at the moment.

so if it is Hary's decision, did he also decide to go to the USA after Canada?

Lumutqueen 05-25-2020 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2316142)
so if it is Hary's decision, did he also decide to go to the USA after Canada?


We don’t know.

The Sentebale interview said that it was Harry’s decision to “step back”. That’s all the information we have.

Considering we’re to understand that Henry went to the table with a “half in half out” plan, presumably consulted with his wife, when this plan was rejected he then made the decision to call it quits altogether. That’s how I interpret the Sentebale interview.

There is no information to suggest that it was Henry’s sole choice to submit the “leave” proposal in January, nor was it his decision alone to go to Canada afterwards and onto the states.

Denville 05-25-2020 05:37 AM

Is Harry saying that its his decision, to shield Meghan? He must be aware that the press were likely to say it was all M's idea...

Lumutqueen 05-25-2020 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2316145)
Is Harry saying that its his decision, to shield Meghan? He must be aware that the press were likely to say it was all M's idea...


Again, we don’t know. You can only interpret the Sentebale speech how you want to.

Pranter 05-25-2020 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2316145)
Is Harry saying that its his decision, to shield Meghan? He must be aware that the press were likely to say it was all M's idea...


If you are married you know how these conversations can go. I highly doubt Harry said, that's it we are leaving the positions of full time working Royals and moving across the world, without having multiple discussions with his wife first.

He has indicated he was the driving force behind the decision. Since we have had more than one previous interview going back years of him talking about being unhappy in his position and wanting to leave then to me it's hardly a surprise that he has finally had enough. So yeah I believe him when he says ultimately it was his decision. However I don't think Meghan protested much about it considering what she was going thru.


LaRae

Marengo 05-25-2020 07:14 AM

Time to end this discussion as it is going around in circles.

Please move on and return to the topic of this thread, which is the book that is written about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

Queen Claude 06-11-2020 08:08 AM

Posting link for now, can't figure out how to copy / paste text from article using my tablet.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews...fore-marriage/

ETA:

'SEEDS WERE SOWN'
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry ‘discussed Megxit before they got married’, new book claims
  • 11 Jun 2020, 11:37
  • Updated: 11 Jun 2020, 17:26
"The seeds of Megxit were sown before they even got married. The truth is that Harry had been deeply unhappy for a long time.

"And he and Meghan openly discussed going in a different direction well before they got married.”

Muhler 06-11-2020 08:29 AM

:previous: If correct, (and this book is supposedly positive towards H&M) it will reflect very bad on them from a PR perspective.

My first question would be: If they intended to reduce their royal roles, why didn't they work it out before being introduced to the public as fully active royals?
As far as I could tell, there were no indications during their first year that H&M did not intend to have anything less than a very active high profile role.
- Something that was looked on with expectation and joy by most royalists I believe.

And if the planning and deliberations had been going in since the very beginning, why this sudden and abrupt break with the BRF?

That is an argument that needs serious work before I'll buy it.
But let's see how the authors will sell that one. It ain't gonna be easy!

Curryong 06-11-2020 09:12 AM

We know (because he said so) that Harry had thought of leaving the Royal family in his twenties and maybe doing something else. Duty drove him on then though.

IMO it's entirely natural that Harry would have discussed with his girlfriend/future fiancee his feelings about his Royal role and how these have varied over the years. They might have considered various scenarios if Meghan didn't feel comfortable in her role.

However I do not believe in the inference that seems to be being drawn at second hand by these tabloid articles that there was some deep dark plot by the couple to pull the wool over the Queen and Prince Charles's eyes from the very beginning. If that's the narrative these papers are trying to flog it doesn't work for me.

I saw the immense enthusiasm of both of them before the wedding when they visited various parts of the U.K., in the engagement interview, on the public engagements following the wedding and indeed in Australia on the Oceana tour when I saw them in real life. They were as happy as Larry when in Australia.

I'm not going to draw any conclusions on anything until I've read that book for myself.

Pranter 06-11-2020 09:39 AM

I can see that pre-marriage they had many discussions about their future life. It would make sense that Harry would be apprehensive (based on the craziness that started when it became known they were dating) of how things would go. I think it's possible he had a plan B in mind if things didn't level off and sort out.

I absolutely do believe they intended to become FT working Royals for the rest of their lives. Everything they said and did indicated such. I just think plans got derailed and there didn't seem to be an end in sight to the negative pressure.


LaRae

Somebody 06-11-2020 09:46 AM

Yes, this would be even worse. Knowingly misleading the BRF and the public on their intentions regarding royal life (which would make all of it very disingenuous). It would also contradict a lot of what they've stated so far... So, we'll have to wait and see and why might never know the full truth.

Sun Lion 07-23-2020 08:04 PM

Excepts from this book, "Finding Freedom", are coming out this weekend. (Currenty Friday morning here in Sydney.)

An article from Rebecca English with some fresh details -


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urces-say.html


The Duke and Duchess reached out when they first heard about this book.

After "meetings and dinners" - not sure if between the couple themselves with the authors, or others, reps perhaps - they were more relaxed about it.

Curryong 07-23-2020 08:10 PM

What details? Neither Rebecca nor her colleagues at the DM have read this book quite obviously as this so fair and balanced article is full of speculation about what could be said in it, what Meghan and Harry supposedly did when they heard of the book being written, and what unnamed sources (of course) in Royal households have reportedly said about the content. Odd, as they almost certainly haven't read it either. A typical Fail article about the Sussexes in fact.

This article is in fact a disgrace for a Royal Reporter to have written. It's complete with loaded words and phrases like 'settle scores' 'resentful couple' 'the gospel according to Harry and Meghan' which 'will plunge relations with the Royal Family to a new low' without any supporting evidence for it so doing whatsoever.

The authors Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand are 'cheerleaders', the book is 'a hagiography' 'the Sussexes are 'killing the book with kindness'. When have the Sussexes said anything about the book at all? And heaven forbid that anyone should write anything favourable about the couple who are suing Rebecca English's employers!

I'm looking forward to reading this book for myself, having pre-ordered it for the day of release on Amazon Kindle.

ACO 07-23-2020 09:17 PM

Yeah they haven't read it but they are assuming things. I do wonder they they are on the defensive so much since it is claimed they did nothing but support. If that is the case they why the theatrics? Personally I don't think this book will say anything new but i did laugh at her calling Omid and Caroyln royal "watchers" when Omid has been very much part of the rota for years.

Betsypaige 07-23-2020 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Lion (Post 2328972)
Excepts from this book, "Finding Freedom", are coming out this weekend. (Currenty Friday morning here in Sydney.)

An article from Rebecca English with some fresh details -


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urces-say.html


The Duke and Duchess reached out when they first heard about this book.

After "meetings and dinners" - not sure if between the couple themselves with the authors, or others, reps perhaps - they were more relaxed about it.

Nothing new here, IMO; just states what Palace insiders fear, not what they already know. Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if their fears come true as this book was no doubt written with H and M’s cooperation.

I’m not worried at all about how HM, Charles and William will look to the British public, but I am worried about H and M (through the book) hurting them.

Curryong 07-24-2020 12:02 AM

Harry and Meghan haven't written this book or any part of it. We don't even know if they have given any interviews at all to Scobie and Durand.

And I suppose it doesn't really matter what hurts Meghan and Harry have suffered through the provable untruths, innuendos and gossip peddled in Lady C's supposed 'Real Story' or the other book 'Royals at War'.

Leopoldine 07-24-2020 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2329004)
Harry and Meghan haven't written this book or any part of it. We don't even know if they have given any interviews at all to Scobie and Durand.

And I suppose it doesn't really matter what hurts Meghan and Harry have suffered through the provable untruths, innuendos and gossip peddled in Lady C's supposed 'Real Story' or the other book 'Royals at War'.


Harry and Meghan are speaking out constantly so if this book is a no-go, we would have heard something from them at this point.

Curryong 07-24-2020 12:35 AM

They haven't spoken out at all about any of the other books that have come out in the past couple of months either.

miss whirley 07-24-2020 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsypaige (Post 2329002)
Nothing new here, IMO; just states what Palace insiders fear, not what they already know. Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if their fears come true as this book was no doubt written with H and M’s cooperation.

I’m not worried at all about how HM, Charles and William will look to the British public, but I am worried about H and M (through the book) hurting them.

Yes, Harry has shown himself to be very brazen and thoughtless with his comments so I can imagine there is worry.

He's done it many times in the past. For example, snarking about how his family had him walk behind the coffin. Or complaining that William didn't make time for him at Eton. Or his comments that no one in the BRF wants to be monarch, which was an inflammatory statement to put in the mouths of Charles, William and George that could of upset the public and made them think the whiners are taking their position for granted. Or Harry's comment against the Markles "the family she never had", which became a big catalyst for her feud with her family. Or his recent comments to fake Greta, arranging a faux marriage for George and James Wessex.

So one wonders what his next verbal dagger will be - "William hates the UK as much as me!" "My dad made my mom miserable and now he makes me miserable!" "I don't think we have the real answers as to what happened in that Paris tunnel!" " My brother's kids will be jealous of Archie and his life in America!" and so on...

Given his past misguided comments, the BRF would be foolish to presume he'll show sound judgement.

Though if Omid and Durand are really the Sussex supporters they have portrayed themselves to be, they may edit out comments that Harry made to them that they know will be self-destructive to him in the long run. But that kind of helpful edit is asking a lot of a writer even if they consider Harry a friend.

Denville 07-24-2020 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by miss whirley (Post 2329024)
Yes, Harry has shown himself to be very brazen and thoughtless with his comments so I can imagine there is worry.

He's done it many times in the past. For example, snarking about how his family had him walk behind the coffin. Or complaining that William didn't make time for him at Eton. Or his comments that no one in the BRF wants to be monarch, which was an inflammatory statement to put in the mouths of Charles, William and George that could of upset the public and made them think the whiners are taking their position for granted. Or Harry's comment against the Markles "the family she never had", which became a big catalyst for her feud with her family. Or his recent comments to fake Greta, arranging a faux marriage for George and James Wessex.

So one wonders what his next verbal dagger will be - "William hates the UK as much as me!" "My dad made my mom miserable and now he makes me miserable!" "I don't think we have the real answers as to what happened in that Paris tunnel!" " My brother's kids will be jealous of Archie and his life in America!" and so on...

Given his past misguided comments, the BRF would be foolish to presume he'll show sound judgement.

Though if Omid and Durand are really the Sussex supporters they have portrayed themselves to be, they may edit out comments that Harry made to them that they know will be self-destructive to him in the long run. But that kind of helpful edit is asking a lot of a writer even if they consider Harry a friend.

I bet that Harry wishes he had never shot his mouth off about "Meghan not having a family" and the RF being the family she never had, when a yaer later it was clear that it wasn't true.

Queen Claude 07-24-2020 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by miss whirley (Post 2329024)
Though if Omid and Durand are really the Sussex supporters they have portrayed themselves to be, they may edit out comments that Harry made to them that they know will be self-destructive to him in the long run. But that kind of helpful edit is asking a lot of a writer even if they consider Harry a friend.

This is rather intriguing, because the trigger (IMO) that got the ball rolling on negative media stories about the Sussexes, particularly Meghan, was the Jobson book about Charles and reporters picking up tidbits from that book and digging further - Meghan's family speaking out softened the ground.

Mbruno 07-24-2020 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pranter (Post 2319837)
I can see that pre-marriage they had many discussions about their future life. It would make sense that Harry would be apprehensive (based on the craziness that started when it became known they were dating) of how things would go. I think it's possible he had a plan B in mind if things didn't level off and sort out.

I absolutely do believe they intended to become FT working Royals for the rest of their lives. Everything they said and did indicated such. I just think plans got derailed and there didn't seem to be an end in sight to the negative pressure.


LaRae




If Harry and Meghan were sincere in their pre-wedding interview, I assume they did not plan to "leave the Royal Family" beforehand. I don't remember the exact words, but, if I recall it correctly, Harry said he had explained to Meghan what being a member of the RF entailed and that she was committed to the new role she was about to assume.



I still believe that the problem was a clash of cultures. Meghan, being an individualistic American, puts her own personal interest or "happiness" (see her South African interview) above the interests of the institution of which she happens to be a member. It is not a criticism of Meghan personally, but rather, as I said, a characteristic feature of the American mindset and culture.

Denville 07-24-2020 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2329072)
If Harry and Meghan were sincere in their pre-wedding interview, I assume they did not plan to "leave the Royal Family" beforehand. I don't remember the exact words, but, if I recall it correctly, Harry said he had explained to Meghan what being a member of the RF entailed and that she was committed to the new role she was about to assume.



I still believe that the problem was a clash of cultures. Meghan, being an individualistic American, puts her own personal interest or "happiness" (see her South African interview) above the interests of the institution of which she happens to be a member. It is not a criticism of Meghan personally, but rather, as I said, a characteristic feature of the American mindset and culture.

But perhaps they weren't being sincere. Harry has talked about a desire to leave the RF in the past. He said that he had explained to Meghan what being a royal meant.. and what life would be like.. yet in the Bradby interview she came across as in essence saying she was not expecting various things such as the unkind press.. So perhaps Harry didn't really explain things very well to her.. Or perhaps they both had an idea that if things went well, they were willing to stick out the job.. but if after a year or 2 they found they were not happy with it.. they would be able to go part time...and that was always going on in their minds...

Lilyflo 07-24-2020 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2329072)
I still believe that the problem was a clash of cultures. Meghan, being an individualistic American, puts her own personal interest or "happiness" (see her South African interview) above the interests of the institution of which she happens to be a member. It is not a criticism of Meghan personally, but rather, as I said, a characteristic feature of the American mindset and culture.

As a British person, I can assure you that there are many people here who wouldn't put the institution of monarchy above their own happiness (including some British people who have been born into it or have married into it). I don't think it's necessarily an American v British thing at all but rather a desire to avoid being crushed, not just by the intense personal scrutiny of self and family but by the weight of living with false stories constantly being published without being able to challenge most of them.

Mbruno 07-24-2020 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2329075)
But perhaps they weren't being sincere. Harry has talked about a desire to leave the RF in the past. He said that he had explained to Meghan what being a royal meant.. and what life would be like.. yet in the Bradby interview she came across as in essence saying she was not expecting various things such as the unkind press.. So perhaps Harry didn't really explain things very well to her.. Or perhaps they both had an idea that if things went well, they were willing to stick out the job.. but if after a year or 2 they found they were not happy with it.. they would be able to go part time...and that was always going on in their minds...


Your opinion is not necessarily inconsistent with mine. I think they were sincere and were willing to give it a try, but Meghan in particular assumed all along that, if she didn't like it or adapt to it, she could just walk away and take Harry and possible children with her.

Pranter 07-24-2020 08:33 AM

I don't think Meghan assumed anything. Those things were discussed, Harry had already in the past talked about leaving.


LaRae

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2329072)
If Harry and Meghan were sincere in their pre-wedding interview, I assume they did not plan to "leave the Royal Family" beforehand. I don't remember the exact words, but, if I recall it correctly, Harry said he had explained to Meghan what being a member of the RF entailed and that she was committed to the new role she was about to assume.



I still believe that the problem was a clash of cultures. Meghan, being an individualistic American, puts her own personal interest or "happiness" (see her South African interview) above the interests of the institution of which she happens to be a member. It is not a criticism of Meghan personally, but rather, as I said, a characteristic feature of the American mindset and culture.


Sorry to hear you think it's an American mindset/culture to not want to be hounded to death by the press or live within a set of confines that allow you to be hammered to the point of depression etc with almost no recourse.

I quite disagree with the idea that this is an American thing...I've met (in real life) a number of Brits/Scots/Irish and what have you from the U.K. and interacted online with them for decades. IME/IMO very few of them (if any) would throw themselves upon the altar of sacrifice for the BRF. Even those who support them.



LaRae

Denville 07-24-2020 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2329086)
Your opinion is not necessarily inconsistent with mine. I think they were sincere and were willing to give it a try, but Meghan in particular assumed all along that, if she didn't like it or adapt to it, she could just walk away and take Harry and possible children with her.

I half agree.... I think that PERHAPS they were sincere or at least Harry was in intending in May 2018 to start a full time royal life of duty. However, I cant help feeling now that perhaps there was always a semi plan to get out - not completely but to have the best of both worlds..that they would go on doing royal duties part time..with all that entailed, a free home, security, social status etc.. and that part of the time they could be free to live in the US and work to earn more money and have a more glam lifestyle.
And with Meghan I think that she had seen Fergie leaving the RF after her divorce, and making a lot of money in the US, and she may have felt that if the marriage didn't work out, or even if it did but she found she didn't like royal life.. she too could go to the US and use her new status as a Royal Duchess to make money...
Possibly Harry always wanted to get out, but truth was he knew little of the outside world really and didn't know what he would do if he left royal life.. but marriage to a woman who had had an independent career in the movie business, who knew the USA and knew about money making opportunities, gave him the "permission" to go...

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Originally Posted by Pranter (Post 2329095)
Sorry to hear you think it's an American mindset/culture to not want to be hounded to death by the press or live within a set of confines that allow you to be hammered to the point of depression etc with almost no recourse.

I quite disagree with the idea that this is an American thing...I've met (in real life) a number of Brits/Scots/Irish and what have you from the U.K. and interacted online with them for decades. IME/IMO very few of them (if any) would throw themselves upon the altar of sacrifice for the BRF. Even those who support them.



LaRae

But these people have not married into the UK Royal family.

Pranter 07-24-2020 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2329117)
But these people have not married into the UK Royal family.


And? Not sure what difference that makes. Point being they don't or wouldn't expect anyone to do it.



LaRae

Denville 07-24-2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pranter (Post 2329138)
And? Not sure what difference that makes. Point being they don't or wouldn't expect anyone to do it.



LaRae

If you marry into a royal family, there are expectations. If you dont want to fulfil those expectations, then dont marry into that RF

Betsypaige 07-24-2020 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by miss whirley (Post 2329024)
Yes, Harry has shown himself to be very brazen and thoughtless with his comments so I can imagine there is worry.

He's done it many times in the past. For example, snarking about how his family had him walk behind the coffin. Or complaining that William didn't make time for him at Eton. Or his comments that no one in the BRF wants to be monarch, which was an inflammatory statement to put in the mouths of Charles, William and George that could of upset the public and made them think the whiners are taking their position for granted. Or Harry's comment against the Markles "the family she never had", which became a big catalyst for her feud with her family. Or his recent comments to fake Greta, arranging a faux marriage for George and James Wessex.

So one wonders what his next verbal dagger will be - "William hates the UK as much as me!" "My dad made my mom miserable and now he makes me miserable!" "I don't think we have the real answers as to what happened in that Paris tunnel!" " My brother's kids will be jealous of Archie and his life in America!" and so on...

Given his past misguided comments, the BRF would be foolish to presume he'll show sound judgement.

Though if Omid and Durand are really the Sussex supporters they have portrayed themselves to be, they may edit out comments that Harry made to them that they know will be self-destructive to him in the long run. But that kind of helpful edit is asking a lot of a writer even if they consider Harry a friend.

The comment about the BRF being the family Meghan never had is ironic since they have both completely disrespected them for many months now....and have moved to be near her mother, who seems to be family enough for Meghan.

I know Harry said some of those things, but not all. He said that about William? Coming from someone who dressed as a Nazi for Halloween, I shouldn’t be surprised. What’s this about a faux wedding?

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2329086)
Your opinion is not necessarily inconsistent with mine. I think they were sincere and were willing to give it a try, but Meghan in particular assumed all along that, if she didn't like it or adapt to it, she could just walk away and take Harry and possible children with her.

Considering they gave it less than two years, and that they must have started planning this whole thing well before they departed the UK, I can’t think that they were overly sincere about giving it a shot, especially Meghan.

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2329145)
It wasn't a Nazi uniform, it was the uniform of the Afrika corps...
As for Meghan, I think it must have been hurtful for her mother to hear that Harry was saying that Meghan had no family.. when she has it seems been a loyal and loving mother to her. And it was kind of ironic that within a fairly short time, it was clear that the RF were no longer considered best buddies by the Sussexes...

I know what a Swastika looks like...

Denville 07-24-2020 11:43 AM

It wasn't a Nazi uniform, it was the uniform of the Afrika corps...
As for Meghan, I think it must have been hurtful for her mother to hear that Harry was saying that Meghan had no family.. when she has it seems been a loyal and loving mother to her. And it was kind of ironic that within a fairly short time, it was clear that the RF were no longer considered best buddies by the Sussexes...

Durham 07-24-2020 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilyflo (Post 2329081)
As a British person, I can assure you that there are many people here who wouldn't put the institution of monarchy above their own happiness (including some British people who have been born into it or have married into it). I don't think it's necessarily an American v British thing at all but rather a desire to avoid being crushed, not just by the intense personal scrutiny of self and family but by the weight of living with false stories constantly being published without being able to challenge most of them.

Well yes & no. I do think Mbruno has a point here. There are big differences between British & US cultures. There are still an awful lot of old fashioned monarchists whose mind set would be entirely alien to anyone from the US. Pretty foreign to a lot of Britons as well of course, we're not exactly homogeneous.

Denville 07-24-2020 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Durham (Post 2329169)
Well yes & no. I do think Mbruno has a point here. There are big differences between British & US cultures. There are still an awful lot of old fashioned monarchists whose mind set would be entirely alien to anyone from the US. Pretty foreign to a lot of Britons as well of course, we're not exactly homogeneous.

I think there is a difference between the US culture of someone of Meg's generation and the state she lived in as a kid.. and that of older Americans.. or UK people of a certain age who would be a lot more formal and duty bound. If Meg did not want to have the Press chasing her and publishing unfair stories, if she didn't want to put up with certain restrictions in what she could do because she was a member of the RF.. then - either dont marry into the RF or if you do, do so on te understanding that you and your husband aren't working royals. Give up the titles, buy your own house and lead a life that is separate from the RF...

Harry says that he told her what royal life would be like.. but one of the big factors in it is the tabloid press which is either gushng and over praising of some royals..or hyper critical and frequently harsh and unfair. Meghan said that she "thought the press would be fair" and if H had had honest conversations with her, I can't believe that he didn't tell her "the tabloid press is horrible, intrusive, unfair and just the worst"....
The RF are certainly not fans of the Press and just about tolerate them.. and H himself knows how horrible they can be...
So - did H tell her and she didn't listen or didn't understand? Did Harry NOT tell her and she was shocked and could not cope? I dont know.

Madame Verseau 07-24-2020 12:41 PM

That DM article is a joke, no surprise. They're guessing at what is in the book. Bringing up Thomas Markle gave away the game. Claiming suspicious timing for the book to come out while the lawsuit against is going shows fear that information in the book will damage their "star witness" and their case.

Betsypaige 07-24-2020 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Durham (Post 2329169)
Well yes & no. I do think Mbruno has a point here. There are big differences between British & US cultures. There are still an awful lot of old fashioned monarchists whose mind set would be entirely alien to anyone from the US. Pretty foreign to a lot of Britons as well of course, we're not exactly homogeneous.

Even if this is true (I mean, I know it is as an American), Meghan chose to get involved with Harry........and not just get involved, but seriously, with not just a Royal but a Royal (ok, "only" 6th in line") who is very close to the throne (his papa will be King) and who was expected to be a working Royal for a very long time. I just don't feel real sympathy for her; I have no doubt she knew that her existence as she knew it would be over. I don't believe she went into this with her eyes shut.

Denville 07-24-2020 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsypaige (Post 2329207)
Even if this is true (I mean, I know it is as an American), Meghan chose to get involved with Harry........and not just get involved, but seriously, with not just a Royal but a Royal (ok, "only" 6th in line") who is very close to the throne (his papa will be King) and who was expected to be a working Royal for a very long time. I just don't feel real sympathy for her; I have no doubt she knew that her existence as she knew it would be over. I don't believe she went into this with her eyes shut.

Im sure she didn't.. unless Harry didn't really explain things to her.. Or he did but she didn't want to hear the negative side of the Royal life.. I suspect that insofar as she wanted to be married to a Senior working royal.. she DID close her ears to anything that was said on the negative side. I think she didn't realise that the life's not all wearing a tiara on a red carpet, living in a castle etc. I don't think she DID understand how vicious the press can be..and thought that the press all praise the RF...
But I think in any case she always regarded it as a stepping stone. she possibly always thought that she could come out of it when she chose and be part time when she chose.
And when she and H were a few months into marriage, she was getting critical press, she was finding that she wasn't living in a big castle but an ordinary country house.. that the RF's amusements were mainly horsey and rural and far from glamourous... and that the duty jobs were often dull, I feel that she just felt she couldn't' stand it..and that they had to make their move and get out...

Lilyflo 07-24-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Durham (Post 2329169)
Well yes & no. I do think Mbruno has a point here. There are big differences between British & US cultures. There are still an awful lot of old fashioned monarchists whose mind set would be entirely alien to anyone from the US. Pretty foreign to a lot of Britons as well of course, we're not exactly homogeneous.

I didn't say there aren't big differences between British & US cultures. I didn't say that the old fashioned monarchists wouldn't be entirely alien to anyone from the US. I didn't say that we're exactly homogeneous. I was answering a very specific point, which I contend still stands.

Claire 07-24-2020 02:14 PM

Little bit of a confession, this accusation is what really has pissed the palace off as they really seems to have prepared her. Okay from what I gather there is a kinds three part training from royal brides and yes _ girls-friends/ boyfriends. All royal spouses seems to have done it. It is given and spoken through with them. It sees it involves everything from protocol training, to royal manners and traditions. And yes , involves their family and close friends. Things are explained to them. However palace officials can’t be blamed when the royal don’t listen the the advice. I have had someone yell plainly at me that things would have been different if Meghan had simply listened to advice. She knew better and she was wrong. And then she expected the palace to do damage cover. Ok , this is where you need to pay attention. The BRF have only once employed a fixer and that was to rehabilitate the reputation of Charles and Camilla after the death of Diana. They don’t have one on staff, or running the PR office, which I was surprise to learn is common practice for celebrities in the US. Did Meghan know that ?

When is extracts of the book release , which newspaper?

Lumutqueen 07-24-2020 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Claire (Post 2329217)
Little bit of a confession, this accusation is what really has pissed the palace off as they really seems to have prepared her.


Who said this exactly?

Mbruno 07-24-2020 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2329210)
Im sure she didn't.. unless Harry didn't really explain things to her.. Or he did but she didn't want to hear the negative side of the Royal life.. I suspect that insofar as she wanted to be married to a Senior working royal.. she DID close her ears to anything that was said on the negative side. I think she didn't realise that the life's not all wearing a tiara on a red carpet, living in a castle etc. I don't think she DID understand how vicious the press can be..and thought that the press all praise the RF...
But I think in any case she always regarded it as a stepping stone. she possibly always thought that she could come out of it when she chose and be part time when she chose.
And when she and H were a few months into marriage, she was getting critical press, she was finding that she wasn't living in a big castle but an ordinary country house.. that the RF's amusements were mainly horsey and rural and far from glamourous... and that the duty jobs were often dull, I feel that she just felt she couldn't' stand it..and that they had to make their move and get out...

Well, I suspect “ the ordinary country house” was already an improvement over the place where she lived when she was in Canada shooting Suits. And Harry originally shared Kensington Palace, which is a big house, with other royals. He chose to move to Frogmore cottage precisely to have more room for his family and have his own house, which is understandable.

Comparing to the situation Harry is in now, he and his family have been without a home of their own for over 6 months , moving from country to country and now living in a stranger’s house, reportedly thanks to his “ generosity”. I couldn’t think of a more demeaning situation, especially for a prince of the United Kingdom.

Durham 07-24-2020 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilyflo (Post 2329216)
I didn't say there aren't big differences between British & US cultures. I didn't say that the old fashioned monarchists wouldn't be entirely alien to anyone from the US. I didn't say that we're exactly homogeneous. I was answering a very specific point, which I contend still stands.

Yes I know you didn't say those things & to be fair I didn't say you did. I understood the point you were making & I was adding my perspective to the conversation. That's all.

Betsypaige 07-24-2020 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2329210)
Im sure she didn't.. unless Harry didn't really explain things to her.. Or he did but she didn't want to hear the negative side of the Royal life.. I suspect that insofar as she wanted to be married to a Senior working royal.. she DID close her ears to anything that was said on the negative side. I think she didn't realise that the life's not all wearing a tiara on a red carpet, living in a castle etc. I don't think she DID understand how vicious the press can be..and thought that the press all praise the RF...
But I think in any case she always regarded it as a stepping stone. she possibly always thought that she could come out of it when she chose and be part time when she chose.
And when she and H were a few months into marriage, she was getting critical press, she was finding that she wasn't living in a big castle but an ordinary country house.. that the RF's amusements were mainly horsey and rural and far from glamourous... and that the duty jobs were often dull, I feel that she just felt she couldn't' stand it..and that they had to make their move and get out...


I would not be surprised if Meghan didn’t care enough about the negative sides of Royal life, if she put her fingers in her ears and went “nah, nah, I can’t hear you”. Or, maybe she heard and she seriously underestimated (which I find hard to believe unless Harry was idiotic and didn’t emphasize strongly enough) how different her life would be. The fact that she’s been whining about no one in the BRF publicly defending her tells me either she knows nothing at all about the BRF or she thinks she’s special.

Somebody 07-24-2020 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsypaige (Post 2329240)
I would not be surprised if Meghan didn’t care enough about the negative sides of Royal life, if she put her fingers in her ears and went “nah, nah, I can’t hear you”. Or, maybe she heard and she seriously underestimated (which I find hard to believe unless Harry was idiotic and didn’t emphasize strongly enough) how different her life would be. The fact that she’s been whining about no one in the BRF publicly defending her tells me either she knows nothing at all about the BRF or she thinks she’s special.

Didn't she explicitly state in her South Africa interview that her friends tried to warn her (about the tabloids) but that she didn't take it seriously.

Found the exact wording
"My friends were really happy because I was so happy but my British friends said to me 'I am sure he is great but you shouldn't do it 'cause the British tabloids will destroy your life' and I, very naively, I am an American we don't have that there, 'what are you talking about?, that doesn't make any sense, I am not in tabloids'. I didn't get it."

Sun Lion 07-24-2020 06:12 PM

"Finding Freedom" is being seralised in the Times and the Sunday Times.

I thought this book might have been a bit of a lame duck - no offense intended to the authors - after the other recent publications, coming out last, being favourable to the Duke and Duchess etc.

But it sounds as though this may be the most explosive of them all.


A report, this time from the Sun, ahead of the seralisation this weekend.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/122187...ate-biography/


And a report in The Telegraph where the Duke and Duchess are distancing themselves from it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...nding-freedom/

acdc1 07-24-2020 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Lion (Post 2329273)
"Finding Freedom" is being seralised in the Times and the Sunday Times.

I thought this book might have been a bit of a lame duck - no offense intended to the authors - after the other recent publications, coming out last, being favourable to the Duke and Duchess etc.

But it sounds as though this may be the most explosive of them all.


A report, this time from the Sun, ahead of the seralisation this weekend.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/122187...ate-biography/


And a report in The Telegraph where the Duke and Duchess are distancing themselves from it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...nding-freedom/

I’m a little confused as to whether this book is supposed to be flattering or unflattering toward the Sussexes. It’s been touted as something that will “get the story straight” so I was expecting reports about how they were mistreated or ignored by the RF and courtiers but these early reports are painting them more like spoiled children who didn’t get their way so threw a tantrum and quit.

Sun Lion 07-24-2020 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Claire (Post 2329217)

When is extracts of the book release , which newspaper?


The Times and The Sunday Times this weekend Claire.

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Originally Posted by acdc1 (Post 2329276)
I’m a little confused as to whether this book is supposed to be flattering or unflattering toward the Sussexes. It’s been touted as something that will “get the story straight” so I was expecting reports about how they were mistreated or ignored by the RF and courtiers but these early reports are painting them more like spoiled children who didn’t get their way so threw a tantrum and quit.


I agree acdc1.

It’s hard to see the Duke and Duchess looking good from this, from the quotes coming out today and yesterday. Quotes I take it from a person or people who have seen the book.

Perhaps the actual book will come across more sympathetically to the couple.

“Buckets of bitterness” is pretty strong language, but it’s not news anymore to learn that the couple felt they were victims of the Royal way of life as well as of the UK press.

“Finding Freedom” will dominate all Harry and Meghan news for the next several days as every media outlet will mine the rich vein it unleashes.

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Originally Posted by Claire (Post 2329217)
Little bit of a confession, this accusation is what really has pissed the palace off as they really seems to have prepared her. Okay from what I gather there is a kinds three part training from royal brides and yes _ girls-friends/ boyfriends. All royal spouses seems to have done it. It is given and spoken through with them. It sees it involves everything from protocol training, to royal manners and traditions. And yes , involves their family and close friends. Things are explained to them. However palace officials can’t be blamed when the royal don’t listen the the advice. I have had someone yell plainly at me that things would have been different if Meghan had simply listened to advice. She knew better and she was wrong. And then she expected the palace to do damage cover. Ok , this is where you need to pay attention. The BRF have only once employed a fixer and that was to rehabilitate the reputation of Charles and Camilla after the death of Diana. They don’t have one on staff, or running the PR office, which I was surprise to learn is common practice for celebrities in the US. Did Meghan know that ?


You make some great points here Claire.

It wasn’t in anyone’s interest, especially the Royal Family’s, to have the new Duchess fail.

What had worked to get Meghan to where she now found herself, would not work to make her a success in her Royal role.

Two totally opposite ways of life.

Self-promotion as an individual - an actress in Hollywood reaching for stardom - vs self-abnegation within a hierarchy, and a life of service to a foreign nation.

Polar opposites, no wonder there were issues.

Katymcwaity 07-24-2020 06:34 PM

And of course, we all love the Daily Mails take on it

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html#comments

Mbruno 07-24-2020 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Katymcwaity (Post 2329278)
And of course, we all love the Daily Mails take on it

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html#comments

The DM’s take on it seems to be contradictory at some points, but otherwise it looks credible.


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