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HereditaryPrincess 01-29-2020 06:27 PM

It was fantastic to see Princess Beatrix there and also to see a good turnout of non-reigning royals; too.

camelot23ca 01-29-2020 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lula (Post 2289256)
She is on the side, with the children and grandchildren of Infanta Pilar. Infanta Margarita now uses a wheelchair, so sometimes she is placed where is more comfortable, without being so strict with the protocol.

Ah, thanks, that makes sense.

Marengo 01-29-2020 08:03 PM

I suppose the young blond woman that accompanied Archduke Georg must be one of his daughters (Sofia or Ildiko IIRC)?

Duke of Marmalade 01-29-2020 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlota (Post 2289278)

the look on letizia's face as she faces her 'left hand side'...

https://1.t.cdn.belga.be/belgaimage:...7d4&m=coimknni

If looks could kill
https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-cuatr...348_video.html
I feel for JC, the first of his sisters has passed away.

Frelinghighness 01-29-2020 10:51 PM

So the king and queen greet the old king and queen and p Beatrice and ignore the sisters? Is that normal?

theroyalfly 01-30-2020 02:05 AM

This makes me so sad but seeing the array of non-reigning royals who attended also made me glad. May the late Infanta rest in peace.

I don't see Princess Alexia of Greece and Denmark in any photos. Was expecting Princess Birgitta of Sweden, Princess of Hohenzollern to show up too.

Duc_et_Pair 01-30-2020 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frelinghighness (Post 2289424)
So the king and queen greet the old king and queen and p Beatrice and ignore the sisters? Is that normal?


Don Juan Carlos, Doña Sofía and Princess Beatrix are the former equals of today's King and Queen and all three are official members of a Royal House. It made sense that they were officially greeted.

An Ard Ri 01-30-2020 04:31 AM

HRH Princess Irene of Greece and Queen Margarita of Bulgaria (a cousin of Infanta Pilar's husband) were there too.

Emmily 01-30-2020 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 2289420)
If looks could kill
https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-cuatr...348_video.html
I feel for JC, the first of his sisters has passed away.

And the looks back to her as well.

An Ard Ri 01-30-2020 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emmily (Post 2289490)
And the looks back to her as well.

Wasn't quite as frosty as at Infanta Alicia's Funeral Mass ;)

lula 01-30-2020 04:55 PM

The Prince of Wales was represented by the Duke of Wellington at the Funeral Service for Doña Pilar de Borbón, Infanta de España, which was held at el Escorial Monastery San Lorenzo de el Escorial, Madrid, Spain

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...2020-23hvcfq6l

An Ard Ri 01-30-2020 05:25 PM

HRH Princess Beatrix ,HRH The Infanta Elena and HRH The Infanta Cristina

https://images.app.goo.gl/RsPLnE1HVqZkuH9w7

H.M.King Juan Carlos comforts his niece

https://images.app.goo.gl/EnjV6YaHUWyoCjhq6

https://images.app.goo.gl/1czsfQ5RK21stc9TA


HRH Princess Beatriz de Orleans

https://images.app.goo.gl/Y8pN2W2MQuuPyoQZ9

Don Fernando Gómez-Acebo and Queen Letizia

https://images.app.goo.gl/rQw1uKAHaEpUqYrJ6


HRH Kalina of Bulgaria and her husband Kitín Muñoz

https://images.app.goo.gl/8oWnPnGdHHCNb6aw9

HRH Princess Cristina Borbón dos Sicilias and Pedro López Quesada

https://images.app.goo.gl/wBcKm5ds2ek77EUL7

Baroness Bertha Von Stenge and Helene Kirby Bagration

https://images.app.goo.gl/NdyDXAi6TQ4EB7hR7

The Duke of Alba

https://images.app.goo.gl/QsTqT5aJAB4RL3UV9

The Duke and Duchess of Calabria

https://images.app.goo.gl/mwPLo7REK43fHddH6

Baroness Thyssen

https://images.app.goo.gl/kSbTgbbtKbVsuqHc7

Frelinghighness 01-30-2020 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2289502)
Wasn't quite as frosty as at Infanta Alicia's Funeral Mass ;)

But was it typical, normal protocol for the king not to greet his sisters after he greeted his parents and Princess Beatrice?

theroyalfly 01-30-2020 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frelinghighness (Post 2289615)
But was it typical, normal protocol for the king not to greet his sisters after he greeted his parents and Princess Beatrice?

Your question was already answered. Read below:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 2289446)
Don Juan Carlos, Doña Sofía and Princess Beatrix are the former equals of today's King and Queen and all three are official members of a Royal House. It made sense that they were officially greeted.


Mbruno 01-30-2020 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 2289420)
If looks could kill
https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-cuatr...348_video.html
I feel for JC, the first of his sisters has passed away.


It is weird that Felipe and Letizia turned back to greet Princess Beatrix, who is not family, and ignored Elena and Cristina.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula (Post 2289576)
The Prince of Wales was represented by the Duke of Wellington at the Funeral Service for Doña Pilar de Borbón, Infanta de España, which was held at el Escorial Monastery San Lorenzo de el Escorial, Madrid, Spain

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...2020-23hvcfq6l




The first Duke of Wellington, his ancestor, was the first Protestant , I think, to be made a knight of the order of the Golden Fleece. When Prince Albert later received the Golden Fleece, the Duke of Wellington represented the Spanish regency in the induction ceremony as Queen Victoria described in a letter to King Leopold I of the Belgians.


And, of course, the Duke of Wellington also holds the title of Duque de Ciudad Rodrigo in the Spanish nobility and is accordingly a Grandee of Spain.

camelot23ca 01-31-2020 12:46 AM

I feel like the Spanish Court still observes fairly strict protocol at these type of events. Felipe formally greeted his parents, who are also a King and Queen, as well as the former Queen Beatrix as a sign of respect. Everyone else’s job through the procession seems to be to look solemn and keep their eyes either on the King or straight ahead. And, of course, it’s a funeral, not really a good place for friendly greetings, (at least not at that part of it).

Unfortunately, if you don’t consider the protocol involved, the pictures and videos seem to show Felipe enthusiastically greeting Beatrix while barely acknowledging his own sisters. It’s an unfortunate and awkward visual but in reality they all acted appropriately. I’ve said before I think it would benefit the SRF to make an effort to be seen interacting in a friendly manner every once in awhile, even if they have to fake it. I don’t think they should start that process at a funeral, though!

lula 01-31-2020 02:33 PM

Funeral mass at La Almudena Cathedral

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...al-almudena/1/

https://josepgegundez.photoshelter.c...00068aKG.mLQJ0

An Ard Ri 01-31-2020 04:54 PM

The Infanta Margarita,Don Carlos Zurita accompanied by their children,Doña Maria Zurita and Don Alfonso Zurita arrive at the Memorial Mass for the late Infanta Pilar at the Almudena Cathedral in Madrid.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos...newest#license

Some extra photos

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?...1-2020%20Spain

Somebody 01-31-2020 06:05 PM

However, it's great to see that several fellow royals made the trip to Spain (or attended while living in Spain) to pay their respects at the service in honor of the infanta.

Unfortunately, it again shows the extreme coldness (close to hatred) between the sisters-in-law. They truly cannot stand each other; I don't get the same vibe from their brother.

Moonmaiden23 01-31-2020 08:42 PM

I understand that the Spanish Royal Family observes the strictest protocol, and they execute it flawlessly.

But I love to see united and close families convey some hint of warmth even in the midst of a ceremonial occasions and there was absolutely absolutely zero to see of it at La Almudena.

I can remember when Cristina and Felipe were the closest, most complicit of Royal siblings.

They appeared now as they sadly are...irretrievably estranged.


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