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lula 01-08-2020 09:56 AM

Death and Funeral of HRH The Infanta Pilar,Duchess of Badajoz. January 2020
 
Pilar de Borbón y Borbón, Infanta of Spain, elder sister of King Juan Carlos and aunt of King Felipe, died on Wednesday at the Ruber International Clinic in Madrid at age 83

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...adajoz.svg.png

https://www.abc.es/estilo/gente/abci...5_noticia.html

The family accompanied her this morning at the hospital. The funeral chapel will be installed this afternoon at her house.

https://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial...pilar_2403376/
https://look.okdiario.com/videos/rey...-borbon-852142
https://look.okdiario.com/videos/inf...ospital-852114

Biri 01-08-2020 10:10 AM

Very sad news.
At least she doesn't suffer anymore...
May she rest in peace.

Moonmaiden23 01-08-2020 10:11 AM

Ohh....I had heard rumors that she had entered her final days. RIP to the Infanta.:sad:

muriel 01-08-2020 10:12 AM

Condolences to her family!

JR76 01-08-2020 10:29 AM

Such sad news. I'm glad that she went quickly and hopefully she was as comfortable as possible.

iceflower 01-08-2020 10:46 AM

So sad...After having seen her at the Nuevo Futuro at the end of 2019 I had hoped for an inprovement.

May she rest in peace - my condolences to her family!




** gettyimages: ESP: Family Members of Princess Pilar of Spain visit her at Ruber Internacional Hospital **

An Ard Ri 01-08-2020 10:49 AM

How very sad ,I had hoped there would be an improvement in the Infantas health rest in peace Infanta Pilar of Spain,Duchess of Badajoz.

What a sad start to 2020 for the Spanish RF.

Stefan 01-08-2020 11:25 AM

Very sad News but no too unexpected given her recent healthproblems. Hope she had not to suffer for too long.


Wonder if she will be buried in the Escorial or next to her late husband.

eya 01-08-2020 11:31 AM

R.I.P and my my condolences to her family.

An Ard Ri 01-08-2020 11:32 AM

King Juan Carlos looks devastated,yes I was wondering if she'll be interred beside her late husband Don Luis Acebo Gomez,Viscount de la Torre.

lula 01-08-2020 01:15 PM

Funeral chapel at her home in Puerta de Hierro

https://josepgegundez.photoshelter.c...00068aKG.mLQJ0

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...fanta-pilar/1/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XxMxca7UDc

An Ard Ri 01-08-2020 01:35 PM

Over the past day Infanta Pilar had visits from Queen Sofia ,Don Carlos Zurita and his daughter Doña Maria Zurita as well as Infanta Pilars children and grandchildren,I'm not sure if the Infanta Margrita was well enough to have paid her sister a visit.

Blog Real 01-08-2020 01:59 PM

What a sad news! :sad:
King Juan Carlos was very close to this sister.

Rest in peace.

An Ard Ri 01-08-2020 02:16 PM

The King and Queen are at Infanta Pilar's Puerta de Hierro residence to pay their respects.

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...elipe-letizia/

HSH Princess Nora of Liechtenstein,Dowager Marquesa de Mariño also came topay her respects.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2020/01/08...ml#foto_gal_12

The Spanish Prime Minister and others send condolences to the King and RF at the death of the Infanta Doña Pilar de Borbón.

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...infanta-pilar/

King Juan Carlos,Queen Sofia,Princess Irene,Infanta Doña Elena and children and Don Juan Valentín Urdangarin, (son of Infanta Cristina),the Infanta Doña Margarita,Duke of Soria arrive at the Infanta Pilar's Puerta de Hierro residence.

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...infanta-pilar/

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?...-2020%20Royals

lula 01-08-2020 03:01 PM

Infanta Pilar will not be buried in El Escorial. She will be cremated and the ashes deposited in the Pantheon of the Gomez Acebo family in the cemetery of San Isidro, where her husband is buried. All acts will be in privacy and later there will be an official funeral in El Escorial.

https://www.lavanguardia.com/politic...an-isidro.html

An Ard Ri 01-08-2020 03:15 PM

The Gomez-Acebo burial site where Infanta Pilar's late husband,Don Luis Gomez-Acebo ,Viscount de la Torre is buried.

https://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-co...ez-Acebo-1.JPG

https://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-co...ez-Acebo-2.JPG

Marengo 01-08-2020 03:36 PM

I am sad to hear this news. May she rest in peace.

Jacknch 01-08-2020 03:55 PM

I'm very sad to hear this news and had hopes that the Infanta would recover from her ill health in recent years. She was a vibrant and vivacious woman, who was happy to speak openly, honestly and plainly with the press.

May she rest in peace.

Countessmeout 01-08-2020 04:03 PM

Sad news for my lunch hour. Pilar was a lovely vibrant woman. I know she had been ill but her death seemed quick.

Condolences to her kids and the rest of the family. JC looks devastated.

Fitting that she buried with her late husband.

carlota 01-08-2020 06:02 PM

glad to know that she went without pain and quickly after battling a not long battle with cancer.

it looks like JC went to visit her today, probably hours before her death. he probably knew the death was imminent.

Somebody 01-08-2020 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlota (Post 2279618)
glad to know that she went without pain and quickly after battling a not long battle with cancer.

it looks like JC went to visit her today, probably hours before her death. he probably knew the death was imminent.

Glad that Juan Carlos was able to visit his sister this morning. He is one of the frew people who will have known her well most of her life. Pilar was only 1 1/2 when her younger brother was born...

Mbruno 01-08-2020 06:43 PM

She had been ill for a while and there is a point the body simply can’t take it anymore. Some of us have experienced that with loved ones/ family members.

May she Rest In Peace and condolences to the family.

HereditaryPrincess 01-08-2020 07:27 PM

Sad news. Pilar was ill for a long time, so at least she'll be at peace now. RIP.

rob2008 01-08-2020 08:07 PM

Sad news for King Juan Carlos and for the other members of Pilar's family and friends.

Prisma 01-08-2020 08:07 PM

Condolences to Infanta Pilar's family and friends. May she RIP. Sad news.

theroyalfly 01-08-2020 08:14 PM

This is saddening but it comforts me that she's already together with our Lord. May she rest in peace.

Biri 01-08-2020 08:43 PM

And with her husband:hug:

camelot23ca 01-08-2020 09:50 PM

A very sad time for her children and grandchildren, but not unexpected, and I hope they find comfort in the presence of both the immediate and extended family.

The Infanta had a long, interesting life, and was quick and bright right through to the end of it. That's a blessing, and now she has the additional blessing of being free from pain and suffering. May she rest in peace.

Tatiana Maria 01-08-2020 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula (Post 2279310)

Thanks for sharing this interesting obituary. I knew little about the Infanta, but she struck me as a likeable individual who had a strong personality in spite of the fact that (as she says) her gender meant that her purpose in life was to be a support to her brother. She seems to have learned a strong sense of duty to Spain from her father, but not taken herself too seriously.

I did not know that Infanta Pilar's wedding was a major event for monarchists. With the record of traditionalism in monarchist groups in Europe, it is interesting that a union which was morganatic because it was unequal according to the rules at that time was followed with enthusiasm by monarchists. That being the case, it is not surprising that the requirement to marry equally was dropped after the monarchy was restored. (The marriages of Infantas Elena and Cristina in the 1990s were morganatic, titlewise, not because they were deemed unequal, but because King Juan Carlos decided in 1987 that royal status would be restricted to direct heirs and their spouses and children.)

An Ard Ri 01-09-2020 02:56 AM

Spanish news report on the death of the Infanta Pilar de Borbón

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obdawBafrLc

lula 01-09-2020 11:43 AM

Visits to the funeral chapel today

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...on-entierro/8/

https://www.semana.es/casas-reales/f...109-002171073/

https://www.gettyimages.es/fotos/pil...newest#license

An Ard Ri 01-09-2020 11:46 AM

Nice to see so many close family and friends,the former Tsar of Bulgaria and his wife among them,Margarita was a cousin of the late Infanta Pilars husband the Viscount de la Torre.

The Infanta Margarita does not look well.

Members of the RF and public come to pay their respects to Infanta Pilars family.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjMQ4YnW1uA

As well as the extended SRF so far I've spotted Princess Beatriz of Orleans,the Duchess of Montoro,The Prince and Princess of Vidin ,the Duke of Arjona,the Marqués de San Vicente del Barco,Laura Ponte,Prince Pedro Borbon-Dos Sicilias, Prince Jaime Borbon-Dos Sicilias, Princess Cristina Borbon-Dos Sicilias all paying their respects .

https://www.bekia.es/realeza/fotos/g...infanta-pilar/

Don Bruno Gómez-Acebo and Doña Simoneta Gómez-Acebo

https://www.bekia.es/realeza/fotos/g...infanta-pilar/

maria-olivia 01-09-2020 06:37 PM

Don Fernando after his two divorces was living with his Mother.. I hope he is oing well.

HereditaryPrincess 01-09-2020 06:38 PM

It's nice to see a lot of the SRF and Pilar's other relatives and friends paying their respects.

An Ard Ri 01-10-2020 03:06 AM

King Juan Carlos I looked very sad when leaving the Infanta Pilar residence yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdO15EeJv9M

maria-olivia 01-10-2020 06:50 AM

Even their Sorrow is seen in public .Not easy to be a Royal..in those circonstances.

An Ard Ri 01-10-2020 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2280634)
Even their Sorrow is seen in public .Not easy to be a Royal..in those circonstances.

Yes the sorrow on her children's faces is very evident.

Don Bruno Gómez-Acebo
https://images.app.goo.gl/aUrjYcEnp6WXnT9F7

Doña Simoneta Gómez-Acebo with her son and brother.
https://images.app.goo.gl/9dpbk769YDM4GMgC6

lula 01-10-2020 10:34 AM

Burial of the ashes in the cemetery of San Isidro

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...elipe-letizia/
https://www.semana.es/casas-reales/f...10-002171661/8

An Ard Ri 01-10-2020 04:01 PM

I wonder when the memorial Mass at El Escorial will take place?

lula 01-21-2020 11:28 AM

The official funeral mass will be celebrated on January 29 at the Monastery of El Escorial.

The family has organized another mass on January 31 at the Almudena Cathedral.

https://www.abc.es/esquelas/esquela....%D3N&ide=38970

HrH christopher c 01-22-2020 08:57 PM

May Thy Gentle sould rest in the bossom of our Lord as even as death is an illusion,immortality is a task for everyone of us,you will be missed as you rest and remain in our memories forever in our hearts,goodbye pilar (Hrh)

An Ard Ri 01-24-2020 03:53 PM

I don't think we will see too many foreign Royals at the Memorial Mass at El Escorial except for perhaps Princess Irene of Greece,members of the Bulgarian and Bourbon-Dos Sicilias families.

HereditaryPrincess 01-24-2020 05:53 PM

:previous: I agree; I expect Pilar's funeral will be more of a private affair, with mostly family and close friends attending.

An Ard Ri 01-24-2020 05:56 PM

We'll see the Spanish Royal and extended Royal Family ,the Bourbon-Dos Sicilias cousins and I'd expect to see the Spanish nobility out in force too.


The Death Notice of HRH The Infanta Pilar listing the full styles of her children and spouses and other family members.

https://images.app.goo.gl/CEgTUrVFWXyyeNHt8

iceflower 01-29-2020 06:57 AM

The funeral mass for Infanta Pilar takes place today, January 29.

One of the most prominent royal guests was Princess Beatrix - nice to see her attending!

Marie Astrid of Luxembourg attended as well.


** gettyimages gallery ** gallery **


** hola: Los Reyes acuden al solemne funeral de la infanta Pilar **


** semana: Desfile de personalidades en el último adiós a la Infanta Pilar en El Escorial **


** hola: La familia, arropada por amigos, despide a la infanta Pilar en el Monasterio del Escorial **


** casareal: Asistencia al funeral por Su Alteza Real Doña Pilar de Borbón, Duquesa de Badajoz **

An Ard Ri 01-29-2020 07:46 AM

I noticed Baroness Thyssen Carmen Cervera in that gallery too,was a nice surprise to see Princess Beatrix at the Mass.

lula 01-29-2020 08:49 AM

Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands
Princess Astrid of Luxembourg and Archduke Carl Christian
Duke of Braganza
Georg von Habsburg
Alexia of Greece
Tatiana Radziwill and her husband
Bulgaria: Margarita, Kubrat, Carla, María, Kalina and Kitin.
Bourbon-Two Sicilies: Anne, Pedro, Sofía, Cristina and her husband.
Orleans: Beatriz, Clotilde, Adelaide, Fracoise and his wife

Photos

https://elpais.com/elpais/2020/01/29...tml#foto_gal_1
https://www.revistavanityfair.es/soc...1/image/728941

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VCWr2U3_WE

An Ard Ri 01-29-2020 09:04 AM

I was hoping we'd see Prince Albert II of Monaco given his godmother was queen Victoria Eugenia of Spain.

HRH Princess Beatrix

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?...020%20Princess

The Memorial Mass

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?...-2020%20Madrid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO6DRIT2w4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uJpVujdMb8

stef 01-29-2020 09:24 AM

has someone a picture of Princess Alexia of Greece?, I read that she has been representing the Royal House:ermm: , but I did not find any images.

kbk 01-29-2020 10:27 AM

Any sign of Adam Karol Czartoryski, Juan Carlos and Pilar's maternal first cousin?

Stefan 01-29-2020 11:06 AM

Did Infanta Margarita not attend?

camelot23ca 01-29-2020 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 2289251)
Did Infanta Margarita not attend?

I was wondering the same. An article I read stated she and her husband were there, but then shouldn’t she have been next to Cristina, almost directly behind Juan Carlos?

lula 01-29-2020 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camelot23ca (Post 2289252)
I was wondering the same. An article I read stated she and her husband were there, but then shouldn’t she have been next to Cristina, almost directly behind Juan Carlos?

She is on the side, with the children and grandchildren of Infanta Pilar. Infanta Margarita now uses a wheelchair, so sometimes she is placed where is more comfortable, without being so strict with the protocol.

Philomena, Countess of Paris

u448556 033 - SALIDAS FUNERAL POR LA INFANTA PILAR DE BORBON EN EL ESCORIAL - Últimas noticias - ..:GTRESONLINE:..

Michel of Orléans

u448556 - SALIDAS FUNERAL POR LA INFANTA PILAR DE BORBON EN EL ESCORIAL - Últimas noticias - ..:GTRESONLINE:..

Louis van Limburg-Stirum and Belén López Montero

u448544 - FUNERAL INFANTA PILAR DE BORBON EN EL ESCORIAL - Últimas noticias - ..:GTRESONLINE:..

Francesca Thyssen and her daughter

u448556 - SALIDAS FUNERAL POR LA INFANTA PILAR DE BORBON EN EL ESCORIAL - Últimas noticias - ..:GTRESONLINE:..

Ana Gamazo Hohenlohe-Langenburg

u448544 092 - FUNERAL INFANTA PILAR DE BORBON EN EL ESCORIAL - Últimas noticias - ..:GTRESONLINE:..

Baroness Hertha Von Stengel and Helena Kirby Bagration

u448544 - FUNERAL INFANTA PILAR DE BORBON EN EL ESCORIAL - Últimas noticias - ..:GTRESONLINE:..

Tessa of Bavaria

u448544 - FUNERAL INFANTA PILAR DE BORBON EN EL ESCORIAL - Últimas noticias - ..:GTRESONLINE:..

Alvaro Borbón-Orleans Parodi-Delfino

u448544 - FUNERAL INFANTA PILAR DE BORBON EN EL ESCORIAL - Últimas noticias - ..:GTRESONLINE:..

FUNERAL INFANTA PILAR DE BORBON EN EL ESCORIAL - Todos - ..:GTRESONLINE:..
SALIDAS FUNERAL POR LA INFANTA PILAR DE BORBON EN EL ESCORIAL - Todos - ..:GTRESONLINE:..

carlota 01-29-2020 01:00 PM

Margarita Vargas and Luis Alfonso de Borbon and Ana Garcia de la Rasilla also attended.

laura ponte looked rather heart broken still.

the look on letizia's face as she faces her 'left hand side'...

https://1.t.cdn.belga.be/belgaimage:...7d4&m=coimknni

Duc_et_Pair 01-29-2020 02:48 PM

Princess Beatrix was accompanied by Ottoline Antoinette Gaarlandt - van Voorst van Beesd, one of the Hofdames. It is the white-haired lady on this photo (the other is the Grand-Mastress, the most senior female functionary at the Dutch Court) : https://www.ppe-agency.com/500px/Apr...E180424117.jpg

maria-olivia 01-29-2020 04:40 PM

The King kissing Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands former Queen and then His Father former King's Bow , two great moments.
Great Orleans attendance ;

An Ard Ri 01-29-2020 04:45 PM

I also spotted Princess Kalina of Bulgaria and am very glad Princess Beatrix got seated with the Kings sisters near King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia.

HE Doña Simoneta Gomez Acebo looks utterly bereft.

https://images.app.goo.gl/UtQmivh2pBK4bQgUA

Blog Real 01-29-2020 04:54 PM

No pictures of the Duke of Bragança?

Duc_et_Pair 01-29-2020 05:12 PM

The Infanta Doña Pilar de Borbón was at the wedding of Princess Beatrix in 1966. The Infanta was also at her Investiture in 1980. The Infanta was also President of the Fédération Équestre Internationale. As keen lover of equestrian events Princess (Queen) Beatrix has often met the Infanta, President of the FEI, in this framework.

An Ard Ri 01-29-2020 05:45 PM

I forgot that the Infanta and her husband attended Beatrix's Investiture Ceremony back in 1980 .

The IOC Obituary for the late Infanta
https://www.olympic.org/news/death-o...onorary-member

HereditaryPrincess 01-29-2020 06:27 PM

It was fantastic to see Princess Beatrix there and also to see a good turnout of non-reigning royals; too.

camelot23ca 01-29-2020 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula (Post 2289256)
She is on the side, with the children and grandchildren of Infanta Pilar. Infanta Margarita now uses a wheelchair, so sometimes she is placed where is more comfortable, without being so strict with the protocol.

Ah, thanks, that makes sense.

Marengo 01-29-2020 08:03 PM

I suppose the young blond woman that accompanied Archduke Georg must be one of his daughters (Sofia or Ildiko IIRC)?

Duke of Marmalade 01-29-2020 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlota (Post 2289278)

the look on letizia's face as she faces her 'left hand side'...

https://1.t.cdn.belga.be/belgaimage:...7d4&m=coimknni

If looks could kill
https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-cuatr...348_video.html
I feel for JC, the first of his sisters has passed away.

Frelinghighness 01-29-2020 10:51 PM

So the king and queen greet the old king and queen and p Beatrice and ignore the sisters? Is that normal?

theroyalfly 01-30-2020 02:05 AM

This makes me so sad but seeing the array of non-reigning royals who attended also made me glad. May the late Infanta rest in peace.

I don't see Princess Alexia of Greece and Denmark in any photos. Was expecting Princess Birgitta of Sweden, Princess of Hohenzollern to show up too.

Duc_et_Pair 01-30-2020 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frelinghighness (Post 2289424)
So the king and queen greet the old king and queen and p Beatrice and ignore the sisters? Is that normal?


Don Juan Carlos, Doña Sofía and Princess Beatrix are the former equals of today's King and Queen and all three are official members of a Royal House. It made sense that they were officially greeted.

An Ard Ri 01-30-2020 04:31 AM

HRH Princess Irene of Greece and Queen Margarita of Bulgaria (a cousin of Infanta Pilar's husband) were there too.

Emmily 01-30-2020 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 2289420)
If looks could kill
https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-cuatr...348_video.html
I feel for JC, the first of his sisters has passed away.

And the looks back to her as well.

An Ard Ri 01-30-2020 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emmily (Post 2289490)
And the looks back to her as well.

Wasn't quite as frosty as at Infanta Alicia's Funeral Mass ;)

lula 01-30-2020 04:55 PM

The Prince of Wales was represented by the Duke of Wellington at the Funeral Service for Doña Pilar de Borbón, Infanta de España, which was held at el Escorial Monastery San Lorenzo de el Escorial, Madrid, Spain

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...2020-23hvcfq6l

An Ard Ri 01-30-2020 05:25 PM

HRH Princess Beatrix ,HRH The Infanta Elena and HRH The Infanta Cristina

https://images.app.goo.gl/RsPLnE1HVqZkuH9w7

H.M.King Juan Carlos comforts his niece

https://images.app.goo.gl/EnjV6YaHUWyoCjhq6

https://images.app.goo.gl/1czsfQ5RK21stc9TA


HRH Princess Beatriz de Orleans

https://images.app.goo.gl/Y8pN2W2MQuuPyoQZ9

Don Fernando Gómez-Acebo and Queen Letizia

https://images.app.goo.gl/rQw1uKAHaEpUqYrJ6


HRH Kalina of Bulgaria and her husband Kitín Muñoz

https://images.app.goo.gl/8oWnPnGdHHCNb6aw9

HRH Princess Cristina Borbón dos Sicilias and Pedro López Quesada

https://images.app.goo.gl/wBcKm5ds2ek77EUL7

Baroness Bertha Von Stenge and Helene Kirby Bagration

https://images.app.goo.gl/NdyDXAi6TQ4EB7hR7

The Duke of Alba

https://images.app.goo.gl/QsTqT5aJAB4RL3UV9

The Duke and Duchess of Calabria

https://images.app.goo.gl/mwPLo7REK43fHddH6

Baroness Thyssen

https://images.app.goo.gl/kSbTgbbtKbVsuqHc7

Frelinghighness 01-30-2020 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2289502)
Wasn't quite as frosty as at Infanta Alicia's Funeral Mass ;)

But was it typical, normal protocol for the king not to greet his sisters after he greeted his parents and Princess Beatrice?

theroyalfly 01-30-2020 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frelinghighness (Post 2289615)
But was it typical, normal protocol for the king not to greet his sisters after he greeted his parents and Princess Beatrice?

Your question was already answered. Read below:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 2289446)
Don Juan Carlos, Doña Sofía and Princess Beatrix are the former equals of today's King and Queen and all three are official members of a Royal House. It made sense that they were officially greeted.


Mbruno 01-30-2020 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 2289420)
If looks could kill
https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-cuatr...348_video.html
I feel for JC, the first of his sisters has passed away.


It is weird that Felipe and Letizia turned back to greet Princess Beatrix, who is not family, and ignored Elena and Cristina.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula (Post 2289576)
The Prince of Wales was represented by the Duke of Wellington at the Funeral Service for Doña Pilar de Borbón, Infanta de España, which was held at el Escorial Monastery San Lorenzo de el Escorial, Madrid, Spain

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...2020-23hvcfq6l




The first Duke of Wellington, his ancestor, was the first Protestant , I think, to be made a knight of the order of the Golden Fleece. When Prince Albert later received the Golden Fleece, the Duke of Wellington represented the Spanish regency in the induction ceremony as Queen Victoria described in a letter to King Leopold I of the Belgians.


And, of course, the Duke of Wellington also holds the title of Duque de Ciudad Rodrigo in the Spanish nobility and is accordingly a Grandee of Spain.

camelot23ca 01-31-2020 12:46 AM

I feel like the Spanish Court still observes fairly strict protocol at these type of events. Felipe formally greeted his parents, who are also a King and Queen, as well as the former Queen Beatrix as a sign of respect. Everyone else’s job through the procession seems to be to look solemn and keep their eyes either on the King or straight ahead. And, of course, it’s a funeral, not really a good place for friendly greetings, (at least not at that part of it).

Unfortunately, if you don’t consider the protocol involved, the pictures and videos seem to show Felipe enthusiastically greeting Beatrix while barely acknowledging his own sisters. It’s an unfortunate and awkward visual but in reality they all acted appropriately. I’ve said before I think it would benefit the SRF to make an effort to be seen interacting in a friendly manner every once in awhile, even if they have to fake it. I don’t think they should start that process at a funeral, though!

lula 01-31-2020 02:33 PM

Funeral mass at La Almudena Cathedral

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...al-almudena/1/

https://josepgegundez.photoshelter.c...00068aKG.mLQJ0

An Ard Ri 01-31-2020 04:54 PM

The Infanta Margarita,Don Carlos Zurita accompanied by their children,Doña Maria Zurita and Don Alfonso Zurita arrive at the Memorial Mass for the late Infanta Pilar at the Almudena Cathedral in Madrid.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos...newest#license

Some extra photos

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?...1-2020%20Spain

Somebody 01-31-2020 06:05 PM

However, it's great to see that several fellow royals made the trip to Spain (or attended while living in Spain) to pay their respects at the service in honor of the infanta.

Unfortunately, it again shows the extreme coldness (close to hatred) between the sisters-in-law. They truly cannot stand each other; I don't get the same vibe from their brother.

Moonmaiden23 01-31-2020 08:42 PM

I understand that the Spanish Royal Family observes the strictest protocol, and they execute it flawlessly.

But I love to see united and close families convey some hint of warmth even in the midst of a ceremonial occasions and there was absolutely absolutely zero to see of it at La Almudena.

I can remember when Cristina and Felipe were the closest, most complicit of Royal siblings.

They appeared now as they sadly are...irretrievably estranged.

Duke of Marmalade 02-01-2020 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2289775)
However, it's great to see that several fellow royals made the trip to Spain (or attended while living in Spain) to pay their respects at the service in honor of the infanta.

Unfortunately, it again shows the extreme coldness (close to hatred) between the sisters-in-law. They truly cannot stand each other; I don't get the same vibe from their brother.


Letizia looks super uncomfortable as soon as she is confronted with the sisters who on most occasions appear with the Emeritus Kings.
It's clear who has sided with whom.

And Felipe between a rock and a hard place.

donnaK 02-01-2020 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 2289838)
Letizia looks super uncomfortable as soon as she is confronted with the sisters who on most occasions appear with the Emeritus Kings.
It's clear who has sided with whom.

And Felipe between a rock and a hard place.

Maybe in the old days when JC was still the King. Now I don't see her being uncomfortable with the presence of the sister-in-law, just didn't 'give a damn'.
Elena and Christina are not the members of the royal family anymore. It's not a protocol violation when the Kings didn't greet them. Of course the Kings could choose to greet them (if Elena were alone, they probably would do it), but for obvious reasons they didn't want to.
The family arguments over years centered Christina and Inaki have been over after Inaki went to jail. Now each person is put in their own place. Each does things what they want/need to. The sisters-in-law don't get along well, sure, but no need to over analyze everything.

Somebody 02-01-2020 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by donnaK (Post 2289955)
Maybe in the old days when JC was still the King. Now I don't see her being uncomfortable with the presence of the sister-in-law, just didn't 'give a damn'.
Elena and Christina are not the members of the royal family anymore. It's not a protocol violation when the Kings didn't greet them. Of course the Kings could choose to greet them (if Elena were alone, they probably would do it), but for obvious reasons they didn't want to.
The family arguments over years centered Christina and Inaki have been over after Inaki went to jail. Now each person is put in their own place. Each does things what they want/need to. The sisters-in-law don't get along well, sure, but no need to over analyze everything.

If she didn't care, she would have behaved very differently (this time and before). She 'spotted' them with her eyes (see pictures of her irises in the corner of her eyes) when walking in and then purposefully and somewhat haughtily ignored them.

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Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 (Post 2289798)
I understand that the Spanish Royal Family observes the strictest protocol, and they execute it flawlessly.

But I love to see united and close families convey some hint of warmth even in the midst of a ceremonial occasions and there was absolutely absolutely zero to see of it at La Almudena.

I can remember when Cristina and Felipe were the closest, most complicit of Royal siblings.

They appeared now as they sadly are...irretrievably estranged.

While yes, they seem pretty strict on protocol, still greeting your parents (with queen Sofia needing to bend forward quite a bit to even make that possible) and princess Beatrix with 3 kisses doesn't look like strict protocol to me (a more formal greeting would); neither does having infanta Margarita sit with the family of Infanta Pilar instead of with the other infantas. So, at times they are able to make adjustments...

Mbruno 02-01-2020 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2289971)
While yes, they seem pretty strict on protocol, still greeting your parents (with queen Sofia needing to bend forward quite a bit to even make that possible) and princess Beatrix with 3 kisses doesn't look like strict protocol to me (a more formal greeting would); neither does having infanta Margarita sit with the family of Infanta Pilar instead of with the other infantas. So, at times they are able to make adjustments...


I have seen many royal funerals, many of them with other monarchs in attendance, and the monarch of the host country usually enters the church and takes his/her place without stopping to greet anyone.



I think greeting his parents and kissing Princess Beatrix was strictly personal and had nothing to do with protocol. It was not a state funeral anyway.

donnaK 02-01-2020 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2289969)
If she didn't care, she would have behaved very differently (this time and before). She 'spotted' them with her eyes (see pictures of her irises in the corner of her eyes) when walking in and then purposefully and somewhat haughtily ignored them.

It was a split second gesture, obvious media wanted to look for a story. Vice Versa with Cristina. The relation between the Kings and his sister are cold, anything new ? Felipe didn't greet his sisters first, what else could Letizia do other than following her husband, the King ?

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2289973)
I have seen many royal funerals, many of them with other monarchs in attendance, and the monarch of the host country usually enters the church and takes his/her place without stopping to greet anyone.



I think greeting his parents and kissing Princess Beatrix was strictly personal and had nothing to do with protocol. It was not a state funeral anyway.

Completely agree. It's out of respect and appreciation for the older generation monarchies, there is no need to do the same for the same generation infantas.
The relation is indeed cold. Cristina has always been an extremely proud person, after Felipe revoked her title after being told many times to resign, what else could be expected ?

camelot23ca 02-01-2020 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by donnaK (Post 2289955)
Maybe in the old days when JC was still the King. Now I don't see her being uncomfortable with the presence of the sister-in-law, just didn't 'give a damn'.
Elena and Christina are not the members of the royal family anymore. It's not a protocol violation when the Kings didn't greet them. Of course the Kings could choose to greet them (if Elena were alone, they probably would do it), but for obvious reasons they didn't want to.
The family arguments over years centered Christina and Inaki have been over after Inaki went to jail. Now each person is put in their own place. Each does things what they want/need to. The sisters-in-law don't get along well, sure, but no need to over analyze everything.


How do you know that the family arguments have stopped? I would hope they'd stop at some point, but I've seen no change in behaviour or in reporting that would indicate anything has changed. And there's sometimes a difference between public position and position in family power politics. Elena and Cristina's "place" is that of Infantas of Spain, daughters of a King, and well loved members of the extended family and the long time social circle of which Felipe is still a part. Let's not pretend they couldn't be formidable adversaries behind the scenes if they so chose.

Also, let's review: Cristina faced a judge determined to send her to trial no matter what, (the same judge who then sat for many hours with a journalist to discuss the case, including talking about "feelings" he had about Cristina but just couldn't prove), the entire Spanish media drumming up a witch hunt that involved leaked personal emails, the prosecutor's office going through mountains of documents and advising she not be brought to trial due to lack of evidence, and finally a panel of well respected judges who found her not guilty of any crime. Inaki was found guilty and is now paying his debt to society. She is attending her aunt's funeral with the rest of her family. They are in a church. Felipe is His Most CATHOLIC Majesty of Spain. She is his sister. And you're saying that he stood within a foot of her and deliberately ignored her? If that's true, IMO, that would make Felipe small minded, petty and cowardly. Not qualities that tend to make a good man, let alone one deserving of his position as King. So, I'm going to stick with blaming it on protocol. The alternative you present makes him look too pathetic.

donnaK 02-01-2020 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by camelot23ca (Post 2289986)
How do you know that the family arguments have stopped? I would hope they'd stop at some point, but I've seen no change in behaviour or in reporting that would indicate anything has changed. And there's sometimes a difference between public position and position in family power politics. Elena and Cristina's "place" is that of Infantas of Spain, daughters of a King, and well loved members of the extended family and the long time social circle of which Felipe is still a part. Let's not pretend they couldn't be formidable adversaries behind the scenes if they so chose.

Also, let's review: Cristina faced a judge determined to send her to trial no matter what, (the same judge who then sat for many hours with a journalist to discuss the case, including talking about "feelings" he had about Cristina but just couldn't prove), the entire Spanish media drumming up a witch hunt that involved leaked personal emails, the prosecutor's office going through mountains of documents and advising she not be brought to trial due to lack of evidence, and finally a panel of well respected judges who found her not guilty of any crime. Inaki was found guilty and is now paying his debt to society. She is attending her aunt's funeral with the rest of her family. They are in a church. Felipe is His Most CATHOLIC Majesty of Spain. She is his sister. And you're saying that he stood within a foot of her and deliberately ignored her? If that's true, IMO, that would make Felipe small minded, petty and cowardly. Not qualities that tend to make a good man, let alone one deserving of his position as King. So, I'm going to stick with blaming it on protocol. The alternative you present makes him look too pathetic.

Over the years Sofia pretty much insisted that Inaki was innocent (didn't her Greek family publicly defended the innocence of Inaki ?), her insistence of depending her daughter and son-in-law, rehabilitating their image added lots of pressure on Felipe. That's what I meant on the family arguments, which was over after Inaki went to jail. Yes, media did do the witch hunt on them (that's the type of media in Spain), but it's also the fact that her Daddy and then PM Rajoy did all they could to save her, but that's another topic.

I don't know there is a protocol for the King to greet own family members or friends at a state (or formal) funeral, but protocol can be broken for good intentions. I think Felipe did the greeting to his parents and Beatrice out of respect and appreciation for the elderly monarchies. He didn't go out of his way to greet his sisters, don't see anything wrong with it.

An Ard Ri 02-03-2020 05:10 PM

With the death of HRH The Infanta Pilar ,her personal duchy that of Badajoz which was for life only reverted to the Crown,the Infanta having held the title since 1967.

HereditaryPrincess 02-04-2020 05:17 PM

:previous: Thanks for mentioning Pilar's title - I was wondering what would happen to the duchy now that she is no longer with us. It'll be interesting to see if/when it will next be used and Badajoz will have another royal representative.

An Ard Ri 02-04-2020 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 2290738)
:previous: Thanks for mentioning Pilar's title - I was wondering what would happen to the duchy now that she is no longer with us. It'll be interesting to see if/when it will next be used and Badajoz will have another royal representative.

Infanta Pilar was also Dowager Viscountess de la Torre since her husband death in 1991 ,her eldest son Don Juan Gómez-Acebo is now the 3rd Viscount de La Torre.

Livia 02-04-2020 07:54 PM

Letizia has been the enemy and the evil witch for a long rime but it was Felipe the one who cut all ties with his sister, it was very very very very grave the things his brother in law made and he is not an idiot, her sister has been exonerated but only because who she is, and in Spain nobody believe she didn't know anything about her husband affairs. I think the big problem is they don't regret anything, they think they are innocent even if there are proofs and proofs against them (or Urdangarin) and they don't beg for perdon and show any kind of regretting, no, they are very proud of themselves forgetting their children and the difficult live they are having to have because their father actions, in school other children can be so cruel.

For Felipe must to be very painful, after all she is his sister. We don't know how is their relationship, one thing is show in public, where there are cameras everywhere and there are a protocol to follow, and another and totally different thing is your private life, but they, Felipe and Letizia, care about they nephews and nieces, Irene attended to Sofía first communion for example and Victoria has a very good relation with Letizia. I really think their private relation is good, not as used to be a few years ago but tolerable. It said Juan Carlos is very disappointment with his daughter, he tried to help her of course but she and her husband also were the ones who took away his crown.

And I don't want to say anything else, this is the place to remember an extraordinary woman as HRH Infanta Pilar de Borbón.

An Ard Ri 02-05-2020 03:30 PM

Almost a week late but Casareal managed to release footage of the Funeral of the kings aunt at Real Monasterio de San Lorenzo de El Escorial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0ItW2k5Qaw

iceflower 02-08-2020 04:11 PM

There will be another mass for Infanta Pilar, this time organized by the Nuevo Futuro association, Infanta Pilar has been President of Honor of.

The mass will be held on February 14 at 20 pm in the Parish Madrileña San Francisco de Borja.



** hola article **

An Ard Ri 02-08-2020 05:02 PM

The Nuevo Futuro had a special place in Infanta Pilars heart it will be very strange not to see her at the 2020 Madrid charity market.

The Mass is a nice idea from the charity to its late Honorary President.

HereditaryPrincess 02-08-2020 06:50 PM

It's great that the Nuevo Futuro is organising the mass for Pilar; you can tell they both meant a lot to each other. It will indeed be strange not to see her there.

eya 02-15-2020 04:30 AM

Indanta Pilar Mass At at Parroquia San Francisco de Borja in Madrid on 14 February

https://www.gettyimages.es/search/2/...this_event_adp

iceflower 02-15-2020 03:35 PM

Here are some more photos of family and friends at the mass organized by the Nuevo Futuro association yesterday:



** hola: Familiares y amigos de doña Pilar le dan un último adiós en el funeral organizado por el rastrillo 'Nuevo Futuro' **

An Ard Ri 02-15-2020 03:53 PM

There was a good turn out at the Memorial Mass ,I spotted Beatriz d'Orléans in attendance with members of the Spanish nobility.

theroyalfly 05-31-2020 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by camelot23ca (Post 2289986)
Felipe is His Most CATHOLIC Majesty of Spain. She is his sister. And you're saying that he stood within a foot of her and deliberately ignored her? If that's true, IMO, that would make Felipe small minded, petty and cowardly. Not qualities that tend to make a good man, let alone one deserving of his position as King. So, I'm going to stick with blaming it on protocol. The alternative you present makes him look too pathetic.

I know this is quite late but I don't think the King and Queen deliberately ignored the Duchess of Lugo and Infanta Cristina. We both don't know much about royal protocols as protocols vary in every country but what I know is that Spanish Royal Family is a stiff one, it's not as lax as other countries.

I happen to see this video. During the funeral of Infanta Alicia of Spain, Duchess of Calabria as you can see, had King Emeritus Juan Carlos not see Infanta Cristina he would have just walked past her. The King and Queen of Spain did the same thing as that of the Duchess of Badajoz's funeral.

Infanta Alicia died in March 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z8LJ0mHyQw

An Ard Ri 01-01-2021 02:35 PM

Its hard to believe that in a weeks time it will mark the 1st anniversary of the passing of the Infanta Pilar.


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