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JR76 09-26-2019 08:07 AM

Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi: Family and Background
 
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Originally Posted by Biri (Post 2255327)
Best Man: a friend of Edoardo (I don't know if he has any siblings).

Edo has two siblings - his sister Natalia Yeomans and his brother Alby Shale

Spheno 09-26-2019 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JR76 (Post 2255364)
Edo has two siblings - his sister Natalia Yeomans and his brother Alby Shale

Her also has 3 step-siblings, Hugo, Phoebe and Jack Williams-Ellis.

Gawin 09-26-2019 08:41 AM

More about Edoardo's parents and siblings:

https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/201...-princess.html

Mr T. Yeomans and Miss N. Mapelli Mozzi - Engagements Announcements - Telegraph Announcements

Biri 09-26-2019 09:57 AM

Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi: Family and Background
 
As Eugenie's husband has the thread about his family (and that thread was set before he became Eugenie's husband), I think Edoardo also deserves the same.

Here there are basic informations about his closest family:

Count Edoardo Alessandro M Mapelli Mozzi (known as Edo) was born in Westminster, 1st November, 1983, son of Count Alessandro (Alex) Mapelli Mozzi, and his former wife the former Nicola D. Burrows. He has an elder sister Natalia Alice, born in 1981, wife of Mr Tod Yeomans.

His father, who was born in 1951, is a British Olympian, an Alpine skier, took part in several events at the 1972 Olympic Games.

Edo's grandfather was Count Gian Paolo Mapelli Mozzi (1922-80), Italian aristocrat, who married Gigliola Stoppani. Count Gian Paolo was a son of Count Luigi Mapelli Mozzi (1894-1948), who married Nobile Maria Mercedes Baroli.

Count Luigi was a son of Count Paolo Mapelli Mozzi (1854-1921), who married Enrichetta Tarsis dei Conti di Castel d'Agogna (1866-1941). Count Paolo was the son of Count Alessandro Mapelli Mozzi (1815-79) who married Nobile Ippolita Giulino dei Conti di Vialba.

The Mapelli Mozzi name came about from the marriage of Count Alessandro's father, Nobile Gerolamo Mapelli (1785-1842) with Angela Mozzi.

Edo's mother married as her second husband Christopher M.H. Shale, a British businessman and Conservative politician, friend of former prime minister David Cameron. Mr Shale died from natural causes at Glastonbury, in June, 2011. Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie and their parents the Duke and Duchess of York attended Mr Shale's funeral.

Edo has a half-brother, Albemarle Christopher M.H. Shale, ten years his junior.

The Mapelli Mozzi family have several connections to the British aristocracy. Edo's cousin, Edward Ankarcrona, son of Countess Margaretha Mapelli Mozzi, married in 2006, Lady Lucinda Savile, a daughter of the Earl and Countess of Mexborough.

Although he enjoys the title of "Count" he is a British subject and technically cannot use a foreign title in this country. Foreign styles and titles were confined to those who received a Royal Warrant from King George V in 1932.

It is reported that Edo has a two-year-old son, Christopher Woolf "Wolfie", from a previous relationship.

Source: https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/201...-princess.html

kbk 09-26-2019 10:04 AM

I suppose the family is Catholic, as most Italian families are, but is he?

What school did he attend?


I don't think we can say he enjoys the title of Count. In Italy, if he has an Italian passport, the nobility was abolished and the titles are not officially used or recognised. In the UK, his family's title is not recognised thus he is an untitled commoner.

Blog Real 09-26-2019 10:06 AM

This is very interesting information.

Biri 09-26-2019 10:07 AM

Anyone knows something more about his career, education, etc. they let it post here.

I wonder if Natalia and Ted Yeomans have children; Albemarle Christopher Shale is probably single.

Pranter 09-26-2019 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbk (Post 2255429)
I suppose the family is Catholic, as most Italian families are, but is he?

What school did he attend?


I don't think we can say he enjoys the title of Count. In Italy, if he has an Italian passport, the nobility was abolished and the titles are not officially used or recognised. In the UK, his family's title is not recognised thus he is an untitled commoner.


When he had a family member die (grandfather?) years ago was the funeral Church of England? I remember someone said The Yorks were present.



LaRae

Mey 09-26-2019 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pranter (Post 2255438)
When he had a family member die (grandfather?) years ago was the funeral Church of England? I remember someone said The Yorks were present.



LaRae

That was his stepfather I think

Gawin 09-26-2019 10:23 AM

I posted this on the engagement forum but I guess it belongs here:

We know Edo is Italian and English but for the Danish readers of this forum, his father's maternal grandmother, Betty (Jeppesen) Stoppani, was born in Thisted, Denmark on 28 August 1896.

Here's a link to her baptismal record:
Thisted parish, Hundborg, Thisted - Churchbooks

You will also find more information about the Mapelli-Mozzi family at the Peerage News discussion group:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/peer...w/Husjh4u9CAAJ

Biri 09-26-2019 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mey (Post 2255443)
That was his stepfather I think

As we may read in Peerage News notice, Edo's grandfather, Gian Paolo Mapelli Mozzi died before Edo was born:flowers:

Another article about him:

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/lif...o-mozzi-facts/

Gawin 09-26-2019 10:50 AM

Edo's father Alex was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina but attended Downside School in Somerset [Downside is a Catholic boarding school]. Alex's mother, Countess Gigliola Mapelli Mozzi and his grandmother, Betty Stoppani, also moved to England at that time, and lived at Park House, Bridge End, Warwick.

Source: The Coventry Evening Telegraph, 3 September 1970 (available in Findmypast).

Apparently the Countess and Alex's father Count Gian lived apart. Gian was still alive when Alex married Edo's mother in 1978. At that time he lived in Ponte San Pietro, Bergamo, Italy while Countess Gigliola still lived at Park House.

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Originally Posted by kbk (Post 2255429)
I suppose the family is Catholic, as most Italian families are, but is he?

What school did he attend?


I don't think we can say he enjoys the title of Count. In Italy, if he has an Italian passport, the nobility was abolished and the titles are not officially used or recognised. In the UK, his family's title is not recognised thus he is an untitled commoner.

Apparently his father Alex was raised Catholic but I don't know about Edo. I don't believe his mother is Catholic.

kbk 09-26-2019 11:05 AM

If he attended a Catholic school, that would mean it is possible he follows the faith of his Italian ancestors.
That would make the Princess the most senior (high in succession) British royal to marry a Catholic, right?

Gawin 09-26-2019 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbk (Post 2255468)
If he attended a Catholic school, that would mean it is possible he follows the faith of his Italian ancestors.
That would make the Princess the most senior (high in succession) British royal to marry a Catholic, right?

Edo's father attended the Catholic school.

But I don't think his mother is Catholic which means Edo might not be.

Mirabel 09-26-2019 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbk (Post 2255429)
I suppose the family is Catholic, as most Italian families are, but is he?

What school did he attend?


Radley College and University of Edinburgh.


https://www.thefamouspeople.com/prof...ozzi-42938.php

Fijiro 09-26-2019 01:32 PM

Edo was born in 1st November 1983.
He looks so young I cannot believe will be 36-years in two months.

I am so happy for both of them. And I'm looking forward to another Royal Wedding.

An Ard Ri 09-26-2019 01:42 PM

Isn't Gigliola Mapelli-Mozzi Italian having been born in Rome so there's a strong possibility that she was raised RC not that it really matters what denomination she is.

Gawin 09-26-2019 01:46 PM

Yes, Edo's grandmother Gigliola Mapelli Mozzi was probably Catholic.

But I don't think Edo's mother Nikki is. She's English, not Italian.

BTW - Gigliola was born in Milan, Italy 11 January 1926, the daughter of Onoro Stoppani and Betty (nee Jeppesen). Here's a link to her 1956 immigration card (with photograph). You'll need to create a free account to view it:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KNGQ-YL4

An Ard Ri 09-26-2019 01:53 PM

Yes I doubt Nikki Shale is RC though I'm not 100% on that.

theroyalfly 09-26-2019 03:49 PM

Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi
  • Director of Banda, a property development firm whose mission is to creare 'exceptional homes.'
  • He also co-founded the charity Cricket Builds Hope. The organization that coaches people to play cricket in Rwanda 'as a tool for positive social change.'

wyevale 09-26-2019 04:09 PM

^ Its awfully pleasing to see a lover of our National Sport joining the Family - the complete lack interest shown in it , by anyone younger then the Duke of Edinburgh has been lamentable...

carlota 09-26-2019 04:25 PM

i didn't know edoardo was an italian count, nor that he had a son with a previous partner.

Somebody 09-26-2019 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theroyalfly (Post 2255583)
Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi
  • Director of Banda, a property development firm whose mission is to creare 'exceptional homes.'
  • He also co-founded the charity Cricket Builds Hope. The organization that coaches people to play cricket in Rwanda 'as a tool for positive social change.'

Interesting choice of a charity to set up. I haven't seen anyone playing cricket in Rwanda but it sounds as if he think that's what the country needs. Wondering how he is trying to bring about positive social change by having people playing cricket (although bringing sports into people's lives would normally be positive but I guess they would have picked a different sport).

HereditaryPrincess 09-26-2019 05:39 PM

I didn't know Edo had a son either. I'd like to think he would be included in the bridal party and that he will have a positive relationship with his new stepmother and her family.

Pranter 09-26-2019 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlota (Post 2255599)
i didn't know edoardo was an italian count, nor that he had a son with a previous partner.


The title is defunct and he doesn't use it...nor does his father.



LaRae

theroyalfly 09-26-2019 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlota (Post 2255599)
i didn't know edoardo was an italian count, nor that he had a son with a previous partner.

  • He is. The Mapelli Mozi's are part of the Italian nobility but their title is no longer officially recognized by the Italian Republic nor in the UK. He will be the second member of the British Royal Family to be part of the old Italian nobility. Lady Nicholas Windsor is also descended from the old Croatian and Italian nobility.
  • He has a young son called Wolfie with Dara Huang, his ex-fiancee.

kbk 09-27-2019 02:54 AM

This photo in the DM looks like a Catholic Christening (I assume it's Woolfie with his parents). Thus I think he is a Catholic and, practicing or not, follows the tradition.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Gawin (Post 2255539)
But I don't think Edo's mother Nikki is. She's English, not Italian.

You know, there are Catholic families in England...

theroyalfly 09-27-2019 02:57 AM

:previous: Thank you for the photo. Yes that's Woolfie and Dara with Edo.

Heavs 09-27-2019 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbk (Post 2255769)
This photo in the DM looks like a Catholic Christening (I assume it's Woolfie with his parents). Thus I think he is a Catholic and, practicing or not, follows the tradition.

You get that baptismal candle in a CoE Christening as well, I don't think you can really tell from that picture. Though if he is a Catholic that doesn't present any problems today, unless he really wanted any kids with Bea to be Catholic and then they wouldn't be in the line of succession. That's not a big deal but may sting a bit for her and Andrew.

Duc_et_Pair 09-27-2019 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Heavs (Post 2255773)
You get that baptismal candle in a CoE Christening as well, I don't think you can really tell from that picture. Though if he is a Catholic that doesn't present any problems today, unless he really wanted any kids with Bea to be Catholic and then they wouldn't be in the line of succession. That's not a big deal but may sting a bit for her and Andrew.

The new rules also allow members of the Royal Family to marry a Roman Catholic and become King or Queen. However, a Roman Catholic royal still cannot become the monarch, which is an utmost theoretical exercise for an eventual child of Beatrice.

kbk 09-27-2019 05:19 AM

I only say that if he is Catholic and his and Beatrice's children would be so, they would be the most senior people excluded from succession for their religion, surpassing Lord Downpatrick. That's interesting, I think. But, of course, no one would bother about it because it does not really matter, practically.

Gawin 09-27-2019 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbk (Post 2255769)
This photo in the DM looks like a Catholic Christening (I assume it's Woolfie with his parents). Thus I think he is a Catholic and, practicing or not, follows the tradition.



You know, there are Catholic families in England...

Yes I know that but the majority of English aren't Catholic just as the majority of the Italians are. Edo's mother isn't Catholic.

Biri 09-27-2019 08:06 AM

Anyway, their potential children will not have any chance to inherit the throne, so their denomination will be irrelevant.

Duc_et_Pair 09-27-2019 08:27 AM

And when suddenly a Catholic appears to be the future Heir(ess), the Law will be changed as anno 2043 or so barring someone for being a Roman-Catholic is really an impossible position to maintain.

But as the calvinist Henri IV de Bourbon once remarked: "Paris vaut bien une Messe" (Paris is worth a Mass) and converted, we can say the same for a catholic Mountbatten Windsor-Mapelli Mozzi descendant in the British situation.

Biri 09-27-2019 01:30 PM

According to Marlene Koenig, Edoardo was born in Portland Hospital in London on 19 November:

Royal Musings: Princess Beatrice engaged

Moonmaiden23 09-27-2019 02:06 PM

Weren't Beatrice and Eugenie born at Portland Hospital as well?:smile:

Somebody 09-27-2019 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbk (Post 2255769)
This photo in the DM looks like a Catholic Christening (I assume it's Woolfie with his parents). Thus I think he is a Catholic and, practicing or not, follows the tradition.



You know, there are Catholic families in England...

What makes you think it's a Catholic Christening? I don't see any specific Catholic symbols...

Quote:

Originally Posted by theroyalfly (Post 2255729)
  • He has a young son called Wolfie with Dara Huang, his ex-fiancee.

Apparently they were engaged for some time, so he is experienced in being engaged. Hopefully, this time it truly leads to a wedding instead of a break up with a child in the mix.

Pranter 09-27-2019 02:18 PM

IIRC there was some dispute about the engagement...


LaRae

Somebody 09-27-2019 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pranter (Post 2255918)
IIRC there was some dispute about the engagement...


LaRae

Thanks for the correction. Sometimes that word is used rather loosely.

Moonmaiden23 09-27-2019 02:23 PM

On some message boards and media outlets, Dara is referred to as the "wife", Wolfie is the "abandoned baby" , and Beatrice is the homewrecker whom cad Edo is now engaged to.

Loose with not only interpretation, but facts.:bang:

Pranter 09-27-2019 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2255921)
Thanks for the correction. Sometimes that word is used rather loosely.

Oh not meant as 'correction' ..just tossing more info into the pot.

I'm waiting for the tabloids to re-hash the stories that came out when it was known Edo and Beatrice were dating. I heard there is one already starting up again.



LaRae

Spheno 09-27-2019 04:45 PM

Sarah, Duchess of York is a godmother of Alby Shale, Edo's half-brother.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...ople-1-8831017


So, Yorks and Shales are friends more then 20 years.

Gawin 09-28-2019 06:50 AM

More information on Edo's paternal family. He also has South American ancestry (Uruguay).

https://histoiresroyales.fr/origines...bles-italiens/

theroyalfly 09-28-2019 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 (Post 2255911)
Weren't Beatrice and Eugenie born at Portland Hospital as well?:smile:

It's nice that you mentioned this. Yes both Beatrice and Eugenie were also born at The Portland Hospital.:flowers:

Fijiro 09-28-2019 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biri (Post 2255900)
According to Marlene Koenig, Edoardo was born in Portland Hospital in London on 19 November:

Royal Musings: Princess Beatrice engaged

Edo was born 1st November, 1983.

Spheno 09-28-2019 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Fijiro (Post 2256137)
Edo was born 1st November, 1983.

your source?

Gawin 09-28-2019 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Spheno (Post 2256143)
your source?

He was born November 19 not November 1

Births, The Times, 22 Nov 1983, p. 26, col. 1

JR76 09-28-2019 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gawin (Post 2256095)
More information on Edo's paternal family. He also has South American ancestry (Uruguay).

https://histoiresroyales.fr/origines...bles-italiens/

What a great post. Thanks for sharing :)

HereditaryPrincess 09-28-2019 04:53 PM

Now I know of Edo's family's strong links to the Yorks (even their children being born in the same hospital), it seems almost inevitable that he and Beatrice would cross paths.
Interesting to hear that he has South American heritage.

Heavs 09-28-2019 04:55 PM

Guess we'll have to see if Archie marries someone born at the Portland then. ;)

Moonmaiden23 09-28-2019 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gawin (Post 2256095)
More information on Edo's paternal family. He also has South American ancestry (Uruguay).

https://histoiresroyales.fr/origines...bles-italiens/

Fascinating background. I think there are going to be a LOT of Italian guests at this wedding.

And since the Castel Mapelli Mozzi is still in the possession of the groom's family, maybe Edo and Beatrice can spend time there during their honeymoon.

Fijiro 09-28-2019 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spheno (Post 2256143)
your source?

A link on post #40 by Gawin, among other sources; Edo was born on 1 November 1983 at Portland Hospital.

CyrilVladisla 09-28-2019 08:43 PM

Meet Edoardo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDT2lXcLbA4

Gawin 09-28-2019 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fijiro (Post 2256267)
A link on post #40 by Gawin, among other sources; Edo was born on 1 November 1983 at Portland Hospital.

Actually he was born 19 November 1983 at Portland Hospital. See the birth announcement screenshot I included in post.

Spheno 09-29-2019 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2255612)
Interesting choice of a charity to set up. I haven't seen anyone playing cricket in Rwanda but it sounds as if he think that's what the country needs. Wondering how he is trying to bring about positive social change by having people playing cricket (although bringing sports into people's lives would normally be positive but I guess they would have picked a different sport).

Hit the ball and smile - how cricket is helping to build a brighter future in Rwanda
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...future-rwanda/


Born Out of Charity, the Gahanga Cricket Stadium is Ready
https://ktpress.rw/2017/10/born-out-...dium-is-ready/

Fijiro 09-29-2019 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2255612)
Interesting choice of a charity to set up. I haven't seen anyone playing cricket in Rwanda but it sounds as if he think that's what the country needs. Wondering how he is trying to bring about positive social change by having people playing cricket (although bringing sports into people's lives would normally be positive but I guess they would have picked a different sport).

The Rwanda cricket was the brainchild of Christopher Shale, Edo’s step-father. He died suddenly before he had it going. His family and friends set up the charity in his memory; Mr. Shale's son Alby Shale is currently on the board of trustees. Edo and half-brother Alby Shale are listed as co-founders.

Ms. Christopher Shale did a lot of volunteering work in Rwanda, including being one of the founding fathers of Project Umubano, charities devoted to improving the lives of survivors of the Rwanda's genocide.

Although cricket is not as popular as soccer in Africa, it is played a lot at high level in mostly former British Colonies (Anglophones) such countries like South Africa, Kenya, and Zimbabwe. Now it seems the sport is spreading into the Francophones countries.

Spheno 10-01-2019 12:52 PM

Sir Robert Abraham Burrows JP KBE was Edo's great-grandfather.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Abraham_Burrows


https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ws/BJJtouIJ9hw

Gawin 10-01-2019 06:41 PM

Edo's great-grandfather Sir Robert Burrows and Beatrice's great-grandfather the Duke of York (later George VI) were friends. The Duke sometimes stayed with the Burrows family at their home, Bonis Hall:

https://books.google.com/books?id=QTmIAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT108

https://books.google.com/books?id=awzXAwAAQBAJ&pg=PR8

Edo's mother's family were (for the most part) upper middle class: company directors, merchants, and farmers. Nikki was raised in the Church of England but she comes from a long line of nonconformists (Baptists & Methodists) as well as Scottish Presbyterians.

In addition to Sir Robert Burrows KBE, Edo's maternal ancestors include:

(1) Emerson Muschamp Bainbridge, founder of Bainbridge's department store
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bainbridge%27s

(2) Charles Campbell, wealthy merchant in Melbourne, Australia

Biography - Charles Campbell - Australian Dictionary of Biography

(3) William Arnot, tea merchant in Glasgow, father of Frederick Stanley Arnot, missionary in Africa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Stanley_Arnot

https://dacb.org/stories/democratic-...arnot-stanley/

(4) Elizabeth Dawbarn, religious writer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Dawbarn

Gawin 10-01-2019 08:12 PM

I should also add - Edo's step-grandfather (his maternal grandmother's second husband), Col. Greville Wyndham Tufnell, was a member of The Queen’s Body Guard of the Yeomen of the Guard from 1993-2002. He was appointed CVO [Commander of the Royal Victorian Order] on his retirement.

He is pictured here: Officer Biographies

Moonmaiden23 10-01-2019 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gawin (Post 2256960)
Edo's great-grandfather Sir Robert Burrows and Beatrice's great-grandfather the Duke of York (later George VI) were friends. The Duke sometimes stayed with the Burrows family at their home, Bonis Hall:

https://books.google.com/books?id=QTmIAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT108

https://books.google.com/books?id=awzXAwAAQBAJ&pg=PR8

Edo's mother's family were (for the most part) upper middle class: company directors, merchants, and farmers. Nikki was raised in the Church of England but she comes from a long line of nonconformists (Baptists & Methodists) as well as Scottish Presbyterians.

In addition to Sir Robert Burrows KBE, Edo's maternal ancestors include:

(1) Emerson Muschamp Bainbridge, founder of Bainbridge's department store
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bainbridge%27s

(2) Charles Campbell, wealthy merchant in Melbourne, Australia

Biography - Charles Campbell - Australian Dictionary of Biography

(3) William Arnot, tea merchant in Glasgow, father of Frederick Stanley Arnot, missionary in Africa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Stanley_Arnot

https://dacb.org/stories/democratic-...arnot-stanley/

(4) Elizabeth Dawbarn, religious writer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Dawbarn

The groom is often described as Italian, but he has just as much illustrious British ancestry as Continental.

Gawin 10-01-2019 08:30 PM

Yes, in fact he was born and raised in England not Italy.

I'm not even sure how much time Edo's father Alex spent in Italy as a child. His parents lived on a ranch near Buenos Aires (where he was born in 1951) for most of his childhood, then at some point he was sent to a boarding school in England. His mother and grandmother also moved to England to be near him. He represented Britain in the 1972 Olympics, then met and married Edo's mother in England in 1978.

Tatiana Maria 10-01-2019 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 (Post 2256992)
The groom is often described as Italian, but he has just as much illustrious British ancestry as Continental.

I find that odd and am curious regarding the reason for it, given that he has never resided in Italy and does not hold Italian citizenship. It is analogous to describing the current Duke of Gloucester's children (or, given what Gawin posted above, his grandchildren) as Danish - which does not seem to occur.

Gawin 10-01-2019 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gawin (Post 2256095)
More information on Edo's paternal family. He also has South American ancestry (Uruguay).

https://histoiresroyales.fr/origines...bles-italiens/

I need to correct a statement made in the above article: "Les parents de Nikki, David et Sue, vivent en France."

That's not true. Edo's maternal grandfather David Burrows died in 1993.

A year later his grandmother Susan married her second husband, Greville Wyndham Tufnell. She died just eleven months ago, on 1 November 2018. Here's a link to her death announcement, submitted by Edo's mother, Nicola Williams Ellis:
https://announcements.telegraph.co.u...ll-susan-arnot

Moonmaiden23 10-01-2019 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria (Post 2257000)
I find that odd and am curious regarding the reason for it, given that he has never resided in Italy and does not hold Italian citizenship. It is analogous to describing the current Duke of Gloucester's children (or, given what Gawin posted above, his grandchildren) as Danish - which does not seem to occur.

Probably the VERY Italian name and surname!;)

I wonder if Edo even speaks the language?

JR76 10-01-2019 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 (Post 2256992)
The groom is often described as Italian

The British media loves to put a label on people. By labelling him an "Italian tycoon" they're just preparing for a narrative they'll use against him for the rest of his life.

Somebody 10-01-2019 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fijiro (Post 2256370)
The Rwanda cricket was the brainchild of Christopher Shale, Edo’s step-father. He died suddenly before he had it going. His family and friends set up the charity in his memory; Mr. Shale's son Alby Shale is currently on the board of trustees. Edo and half-brother Alby Shale are listed as co-founders.

Ms. Christopher Shale did a lot of volunteering work in Rwanda, including being one of the founding fathers of Project Umubano, charities devoted to improving the lives of survivors of the Rwanda's genocide.

Although cricket is not as popular as soccer in Africa, it is played a lot at high level in mostly former British Colonies (Anglophones) such countries like South Africa, Kenya, and Zimbabwe. Now it seems the sport is spreading into the Francophones countries.

Thanks, that makes a bit more sense - great that his stepson decided to be involved in his work in Rwanda as well. Although I do think that his (mr Shale's) own fondness of cricket played a significant role in deciding on focusing on cricket as a way of bringing people together. It being fairly unknown might have helped to make it a 'neutral' option.

To what Francophone countries is cricket spreading? In which countries has it raised to the level of having national competitions in cricket?

Edit: just googled 'Umubano Project' and it is advertised as the Conservative Party's social action project in Rwanda. The three stated reasons for the project are:
1. Do a little bit of good in Rwanda
2. Provide a life-changing experience for participating Conservatives
3. (considered most important) Gain support for international development policies

Countessmeout 10-01-2019 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria (Post 2257000)
I find that odd and am curious regarding the reason for it, given that he has never resided in Italy and does not hold Italian citizenship. It is analogous to describing the current Duke of Gloucester's children (or, given what Gawin posted above, his grandchildren) as Danish - which does not seem to occur.

Two reasons really:

1. His title

2. And the tendency to focus on the father when speaking of pedigree.


Really it leans more to 1. There is so much focus in the press and in comments that he is a 'count' even though the title doesnt exist. That Beatrice is the first grandchild to marry someone with a title. The title is of course Italian, so whether Edo actually ever lived in Italy or not, the focus is on his Italian roots.

But when we look at pedigree, the focus is usually on the father. It seems in that sense we look at humans like horses. That is why the Gloucester kids are not often referred to being 1/2 Danish though they are.

Edo is really British, born and raised, of half-Italian descent. But that doesnt have the same ring to it.


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Thanks, that makes a bit more sense - great that his stepson decided to be involved in his work in Rwanda as well. Although I do think that his (mr Shale's) own fondness of cricket played a significant role in deciding on focusing on cricket as a way of bringing people together. It being fairly unknown might have helped to make it a 'neutral' option.

To what Francophone countries is cricket spreading? In which countries has it raised to the level of having national competitions in cricket?

Edit: just googled 'Umubano Project' and it is advertised as the Conservative Party's social action project in Rwanda. The three stated reasons for the project are:
1. Do a little bit of good in Rwanda
2. Provide a life-changing experience for participating Conservatives
3. (considered most important) Gain support for international development policies

To better illustrate what was meant by the third point:

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Our third reason – and the most important one – was because these visits would mean that within the Party there would be a group of activists and supporters who really understood what works and does not work in international development. They would be able to stand up and speak with first-hand knowledge and passion, able to support and back up those policy changes which we introduced while in opposition and implemented when we came into Government in 2010.

It makes sense. If you are passionate about something, you are going to fight harder for it. Its not simply something tick off on a list. Getting into the country and getting your hands dirty and seeing it first hand will open eyes in a way reading a simple report never will.

Never hurts to have more politicians aware of the problems out there, and what can be done to help.


Great to see Edo continuing his stepfather's goals. While Edo himself is not a politician, there is also the non-political side to this. Sports have always been a way to cross boundaries and communicate without words. Kids, and adults as well, are often drawn together through sportmanship and laughter. Strengthens bonds.


As for Francophone cricket players, cricket has been growing outside of English speaking countries. There are 92 member countries of the International cricket union (though the 12 full members are mainly commonwealth countries). France, Canada, Belgium, Cameroon and Luxembourg are among the at least partly Francophone countries which are.

Gawin 10-01-2019 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spheno (Post 2255376)
Her also has 3 step-siblings, Hugo, Phoebe and Jack Williams-Ellis.

Edo also has a stepbrother through his father's third marriage to Ebba Margaretha Antonia von Eckermann: Edward Gabriel Theodor Jansson Ankarcrona (born 3 February 1972).

Edward Ankarcrona married Lady Lucinda Savile in 2006:

https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/200...ngagement.html

See also: Person Page


EDIT: He also has another stepbrother, Johan Ankarcrona (born 1969).

JR76 10-01-2019 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gawin (Post 2257025)
Edo also has a stepbrother through his father's third marriage to Ebba Margaretha Antonia von Eckermann: Edward Gabriel Theodor Jansson Ankarcrona (born 3 February 1972).

Edward Ankarcrona married Lady Lucinda Savile in 2006:

https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/200...ngagement.html

See also: Person Page


EDIT: He also has another stepbrother, Johan Ankarcrona (born 1969).

By the sound of it his stepbrother is descended from the Swedish nobility both on his father's and on his mother's side. Both Ankarcrona and von Eckermann are Swedish noble families. Naturally it could be the name acquired by his mum through marriage but both Ebba and Margaretha are common names in the family.

Heavs 10-02-2019 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Countessmeout (Post 2257018)
Two reasons really:

1. His title

2. And the tendency to focus on the father when speaking of pedigree.

Basically. Even if his father's family had mainly live and married in Britain for 200 years or more, with a surname like that (and a "title") he wasn't ever going to get labelled as anything other than "the Italian Count" by the press.

Gawin 10-02-2019 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JR76 (Post 2257032)
By the sound of it his stepbrother is descended from the Swedish nobility both on his father's and on his mother's side. Both Ankarcrona and von Eckermann are Swedish noble families. Naturally it could be the name acquired by his mum through marriage but both Ebba and Margaretha are common names in the family.

Yes, you're correct, Edo's stepmother is a Swedish aristocrat. She was born Ebba Margaretha Antonie von Eckermann, the daughter of Erik von Eckermann and Countess Ebba von Schwerin.

More about her mother:
Timeless Luxury: Countess von Eckermann - LVBX Magazine

She married her first husband Jan Ankarcrona in 1968 (divorced 1978) and had two sons: Johan (1969) and Edward (1972). The couple apparently moved to England around 1970 where Jan is manager of Fennoscandia Bank.

More about Jan Ankarcrona:
https://issuu.com/appliedsolutions/docs/debretts/34

After her divorce from Jan, Margaretha married (2) 1980 England to Stephen R. Campbell; (3) 1986 England to David M. Walter Ellis; and (4) Alex Mapelli Mozzi.

She appears to be Alex's third wife: married (1) 1978 England to Nicola Burrows (Edo's mother), divorced and (2) 1994 England to Fiona M. Wilson.

Pranter 10-02-2019 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Heavs (Post 2257079)
Basically. Even if his father's family had mainly live and married in Britain for 200 years or more, with a surname like that (and a "title") he wasn't ever going to get labelled as anything other than "the Italian Count" by the press.

Nothing prejudiced about that...ha. The media again trying to create narratives that don't exist.



LaRae

Gawin 10-02-2019 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Gawin (Post 2257025)
Edo also has a stepbrother through his father's third marriage to Ebba Margaretha Antonia von Eckermann: Edward Gabriel Theodor Jansson Ankarcrona (born 3 February 1972).

Edward Ankarcrona married Lady Lucinda Savile in 2006:

https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/200...ngagement.html

See also: Person Page


EDIT: He also has another stepbrother, Johan Ankarcrona (born 1969).

Here's another piece of trivia: Lady Lucinda's older half-sister Lady Alethea Savile was involved with James Gilbey, of the infamous Squidgy tapes.

https://people.com/archive/a-damaged...-vol-42-no-15/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squidgygate

So...to sum it all up, Beatrice's fiance's stepbrother's wife's half-sister was involved with James Gilbey who was involved with Beatrice's father's brother's first wife Diana (Princess of Wales).

Got it?

Moonmaiden23 10-02-2019 09:37 AM

:previous: Remember that old movie "Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon" that basically spoofed how many ways he was related/involved with how many different people??

That Edo!!:lol::lol:

Sorting out the Who's Who among the guests at this wedding is going to be an epic effort....

JR76 10-02-2019 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Gawin (Post 2257186)
So...to sum it all up, Beatrice's fiance's stepbrother's wife's half-sister was involved with James Gilbey who was involved with Beatrice's father's brother's first wife Diana (Princess of Wales).

Edo's basically very much a toff.

Spheno 10-02-2019 05:13 PM

Very interesting family network!


Edo's step-brothers have half-sisters. One of them is Aurore Ogden, daughter-in-law of multi-millionaire Sir Peter Ogden.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ater-year.html


**Pic**

Somebody 10-02-2019 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gawin (Post 2257118)
Yes, you're correct, Edo's stepmother is a Swedish aristocrat. She was born Ebba Margaretha Antonie von Eckermann, the daughter of Erik von Eckermann and Countess Ebba von Schwerin.

More about her mother:
Timeless Luxury: Countess von Eckermann - LVBX Magazine

She married her first husband Jan Ankarcrona in 1968 (divorced 1978) and had two sons: Johan (1969) and Edward (1972). The couple apparently moved to England around 1970 where Jan is manager of Fennoscandia Bank.

More about Jan Ankarcrona:
https://issuu.com/appliedsolutions/docs/debretts/34

After her divorce from Jan, Margaretha married (2) 1980 England to Stephen R. Campbell; (3) 1986 England to David M. Walter Ellis; and (4) Alex Mapelli Mozzi.

She appears to be Alex's third wife: married (1) 1978 England to Nicola Burrows (Edo's mother), divorced and (2) 1994 England to Fiona M. Wilson.

Apparently Alex and Ebba had a company together but as from 2016 Ebba become the sole owner and changed her name back to von Eckermann (see here); so this could be her fourth and his third divorce (if they indeed divorced but that seems the most likely explanation).

And if so, formally I would say she is no longer his stepmother, nor are her children out of either one of her previous marriages his stepsiblings.

Moonmaiden23 10-02-2019 05:49 PM

Yikes..Edo's father has had four wives?! :ohmy:

HereditaryPrincess 10-02-2019 05:52 PM

I apologise if this has been asked before; but even though he is essentially British in "personality" and familiarity, does Edo speak at least some Italian?

JR76 10-02-2019 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2257353)
Apparently Alex and Ebba had a company together but as from 2016 Ebba become the sole owner and changed her name back to von Eckermann (see here); so this could be her fourth and his third divorce (if they indeed divorced but that seems the most likely explanation).

And if so, formally I would say she is no longer his stepmother, nor are her children out of either one of her previous marriages his stepsiblings.

Judging by their private lives they're probably both getting ready to marry someone else...

Moonmaiden23 10-02-2019 06:05 PM

:previous: While we are waiting for more news of the wedding, the next best thing is the groom's family. What a soap opera-even though a very posh one!:lol::ohmy:

Gawin 10-02-2019 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 (Post 2257362)
Yikes..Edo's father has had four wives?! :ohmy:

Three that I know of:
(1) 1978 - Nicola Burrows (Edo's mother), divorced
(2) 1994 - Fiona M. Wilson
(3) Ebba Margaretha Antonie von Eckermann

But he was wife #3's fourth husband.

Somebody 10-02-2019 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 (Post 2257362)
Yikes..Edo's father has had four wives?! :ohmy:

No, it seems he had three. His third wife had four husbands...

Edo's mother is currently married to her third husband as well. However, her second husband died about 8 years ago. So, she divorced only once.

Gawin 10-02-2019 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2257353)
Apparently Alex and Ebba had a company together but as from 2016 Ebba become the sole owner and changed her name back to von Eckermann (see here); so this could be her fourth and his third divorce (if they indeed divorced but that seems the most likely explanation).

And if so, formally I would say she is no longer his stepmother, nor are her children out of either one of her previous marriages his stepsiblings.

I believe you're right. Her mother's 2018 death announcement lists Margareta [Ebba goes by her middle name] without a spouse but her brother Hans is listed with his wife Kerstin.

https://www.svd.se/dodsannonser#/Cas...on%20Eckermann

The guest list just got smaller....

CyrilVladisla 10-02-2019 08:14 PM

Does Edoardo's mother have any brothers and sister?

Gawin 10-02-2019 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 2257404)
Does Edoardo's mother have any brothers and sister?

She has one older sister, one younger brother, and one younger sister:

#1 Carolyn Elizabeth Burrows (born 1954 died 2015) married 1976 to Graham N. Peck

#2 Richard D. Burrows (born 1959)

#3 Philippa A. Burrows (born 1965) married 1991 to Mark David Wiggin

More about Philippa: Person Page

Countessmeout 10-02-2019 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gawin (Post 2257380)
Three that I know of:
(1) 1978 - Nicola Burrows (Edo's mother), divorced
(2) 1994 - Fiona M. Wilson
(3) Ebba Margaretha Antonie von Eckermann

But he was wife #3's fourth husband.

Anything known of this second wife? I have found no mention of her outside your posts.

MaiaMia_53 10-02-2019 09:43 PM

No one has answered whether or not Edo speaks Italian. I haven't found any mention in his bio details online. I would suspect that he does speak Italian. It's not unusual for many well-educated Europeans to speak multiple languages.

Edo's Instagram includes some great photos of the properties he develops and sells:
https://www.instagram.com/edomapellimozzi/?hl=en

Gawin 10-02-2019 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Countessmeout (Post 2257417)
Anything known of this second wife? I have found no mention of her outside your posts.


I'm attaching my source. I know nothing else about her.

EDIT: Just found another website that mentions Fiona Mapelli Mozzi:
https://angloeuropeanstudbook.co.uk/...-mapelli-mozzi

Moonmaiden23 10-02-2019 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MaiaMia_53 (Post 2257420)
No one has answered whether or not Edo speaks Italian. I haven't found any mention in his bio details online. I would suspect that he does speak Italian. It's not unusual for many well-educated Europeans to speak multiple languages.

Edo's Instagram includes some great photos of the properties he develops and sells:
https://www.instagram.com/edomapellimozzi/?hl=en

I asked the same questions and got no answer, but my guess based on Edo's education, background and social circle is that he is probably at least proficient in the Italian language.

Heavs 10-03-2019 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MaiaMia_53 (Post 2257420)
No one has answered whether or not Edo speaks Italian. I haven't found any mention in his bio details online. I would suspect that he does speak Italian. It's not unusual for many well-educated Europeans to speak multiple languages.

Edo's Instagram includes some great photos of the properties he develops and sells:
https://www.instagram.com/edomapellimozzi/?hl=en

But it's unfortunately not uncommon for many well educated British people not to speak anything but English. I have a friend who has a similar family history except Swedish and French and she speaks neither fluently but is highly educated and has relatives in both countries etc. I might be doing him a big disservice but I don't think it's a given. It's one of the areas British people/the education system gets lazy compared to our continental counterparts, even if connections. Especially if he hasn't spent a lot of time with his father compared to his step father, I believe there were rumours about that when they first started dating.

MaiaMia_53 10-03-2019 03:16 AM

:previous: Sure, the same is true of English-speaking Americans.

Mey 10-06-2019 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JR76 (Post 2257007)
The British media loves to put a label on people. By labelling him an "Italian tycoon" they're just preparing for a narrative they'll use against him for the rest of his life.

See also 'Phil the Greek' who, while born in Greece is as British as tweed. Having lived here since he was 7 and been in the British armed services.

Mirabel 10-06-2019 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MaiaMia_53 (Post 2257420)
No one has answered whether or not Edo speaks Italian. I haven't found any mention in his bio details online. I would suspect that he does speak Italian. It's not unusual for many well-educated Europeans to speak multiple languages.

Edo's Instagram includes some great photos of the properties he develops and sells:
https://www.instagram.com/edomapellimozzi/?hl=en

I think he's just as likely to speak French or Spanish as he is to speak Italian.
He grew up in the UK; probably has visited Italy and has some relatives there but doesn't have a home there.


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