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eya 02-11-2019 12:10 PM

Death & Funeral of Princess Alix of Luxembourg, Dowager Princess of Ligne: Feb. 2019
 
Princess Alix of Ligne, younger sister of Grand Duke Jean of Luxemburg, passed away at age 89 today, 11 February . The funeral will take place at Chateau de Beloeil in Belgium.

R.I.P to the Princess and my Condolences to her family.

https://t.co/fzpejcu5P5

Prisma 02-11-2019 12:11 PM

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Princess Alix of Luxembourg, Dowager Princess of Ligne, passed away earlier today, Monday, February 11, 2019. [...]

The funeral of Princess Alix will take place at Château de Beloeil in Belgium. A memorial mass will also be celebrated in Luxembourg at the Église Saint Michel at a later point in time. Details for both will be released at a later point in time.
Luxarazzi: Princess Alix of Luxembourg Passed Away

Luxarazzi 101: Princess Alix of Luxembourg, Princess of Ligne

Condolences to the Ligne and Luxembourg families.

Blog Real 02-11-2019 12:14 PM

Princess Alix of Luxembourg Passed Away
https://www.luxarazzi.com/2019/02/pri...-away.html?m=1

RIP

An Ard Ri 02-11-2019 01:19 PM

RIP how sad to have just read of the passing of Her Royal Highness The Dowager Princess de Ligne.

Somebody 02-11-2019 02:31 PM

That's really sad news. Didn't she recently attend the hereditary grand duchess' father's funeral?

Moonmaiden23 02-11-2019 02:44 PM

I don't remember seeing her, but that doesn't mean she wasn't there. She might have been wheeled in in her wheelchair.

I remember at Guillaume and Stephanie's wedding seeing Alix de Ligne, Grand Duke Jean, Queen Fabiola and Count Philippe de Lannoy all seated toward the front in wheelchairs...and now only GD Jean is left of that group.

God bless him!:sad:

Stefan 02-11-2019 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 (Post 2196146)
I don't remember seeing her, but that doesn't mean she wasn't there. She might have been wheeled in in her wheelchair.

I remember at Guillaume and Stephanie's wedding seeing Alix de Ligne, Grand Duke Jean, Queen Fabiola and Count Philippe de Lannoy all seated toward the front in wheelchairs...and now only GD Jean is left of that group.

God bless him!:sad:


Their sister Marie Gabrielle, Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg is also still alive but she did not attend the wedding in 2012 as she lives in Denmark and it was said that she can not travel so far anymore.

An Ard Ri 02-11-2019 03:52 PM

I had forgotten about Her Royal Highness The Dowager Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg,I just looked her up and she turns 94 this August.

eya 02-12-2019 05:17 AM

The funeral will take place on Saturday 16 February at 11 am

https://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/wp...s-titree-1.png

Les funérailles d'Alix de Ligne auront lieu à Beloeil - Noblesse & Royautés

maria-olivia 02-12-2019 06:23 AM

Alix was Grand Duke Jean youngest sister and the first married.

The family de Ligne was so proud about the Weddings of
Prince Antoine with HRH Princess Aix de Luxembourg and
Princess Yolanda with HI and RH Archuke Louis of Habsbourg.

One of her daughters married Peter Towsend 's Son.

Stefan 02-12-2019 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2196270)
Alix was Grand Duke Jean youngest sister and the first married.


It was the samw with the children of Emperor Karl and Empress Zita. Archduchess Elisabeth who was born sgort after her father's death married as the first.

Duc_et_Pair 02-12-2019 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by eya (Post 2196266)


That annoncé is an impressive list of a blue blooded who-is-who.
These links and the long history of all these families interconnected caused my interest in history, nobility and royalty.
Condoleances to the family De Ligne and the many others.

Tatiana Maria 02-12-2019 09:32 AM

Luxarazzi has an interesting report on her life, especially her adolescence in the World War Two years. She and her husband were apparently keen travelers. In view of her enthusiasm for organizing flower shows I wonder if there will be one linked to the funeral or memorial service.

Luxarazzi 101: Princess Alix of Luxembourg, Princess of Ligne


The announcement from the Grand-Ducal Court of Luxembourg:

Décès de Son Altesse Royale la Princesse Alix - Cour Grand-Ducale de Luxembourg - Février 2019

Notice the Grand-Ducal Court styles her as "Her Royal Highness Princess Alix, Princess of Ligne, Princess of Luxembourg". It is the same as in the Belgian royal family (but different from the Dutch royal family): "Princess (First name)" is a titular dignity which is separate from "Princess of (Name of country)".

Fijiro 02-12-2019 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2196273)
One of her daughters married Peter Towsend 's Son.

Yes, her youngest daughter Princess Yolande Marie Gabrielle de Ligne is married to Hugo Townsend, the youngest son of Captain Peter Townsend.

Biri 02-12-2019 11:41 AM

List of descendants of Alix and Antoine:

3.2.2.6.Princess Alix of Luxemburg (1929-2019), m.1950 Antoine, Prince de Ligne (1925-2005)
3.2.2.6.1.Michel, Prince de Ligne (*1951), m.1981 Princess Eleonora of Brazil (*1953)
3.2.2.6.1.1.Princess Alix de Ligne (*1984), m.2016 Count Guillaume de Dampierre (*1985)
3.2.2.6.1.1.1.Olympia de Dampierre (*2017)
3.2.2.6.1.2.Prince Henri de Ligne (*1989)
3.2.2.6.2.Prince Wauthier de Ligne (*1952), m.1976 Countess Régine de Renesse (*1955)
3.2.2.6.2.1.Prince Philippe de Ligne (*1977), m.2008 Jonkvrouw Laetitia Rolin (*1981)
3.2.2.6.2.1.1.Prince Jean-Charles de Ligne (*2010)
3.2.2.6.2.1.2.Princess Aliénor de Ligne (*2012)
3.2.2.6.2.1.3.Princesse Constance de Ligne (*2017)
3.2.2.6.2.2.Princess Mélanie de Ligne (*1979), m.2011 Paul Weingarten
3.2.2.6.2.2.1.Félix Weingarten (*2013)
3.2.2.6.2.2.2.child
3.2.2.6.2.3.Princess Elisabeth de Ligne (*1983), m.2005 Baron Baudouin Gillès de Pélichy (*1982)
3.2.2.6.2.3.1.Baron Antoine Gillès de Pélichy (*2006)
3.2.2.6.2.3.2.Baron Charles Gillès de Pélichy (*2008)
3.2.2.6.2.3.3.Jonkvrouw Philippine Gillès de Pélichy (*2010)
3.2.2.6.2.3.4.Jonkvrouw Marguerite Gillès de Pélichy (*2012)
3.2.2.6.2.3.5.Jonkvrouw Marie Gillès de Pélichy (*2014)
3.2.2.6.3.Princesse Anne-Isabelle de Ligne (*1954), m.1st 1981 (div) Olivier Mortgat (*1956), m.2nd 2010 Ridder Charles de Fabribeckers de Cortils de Grâce (*1939)
3.2.2.6.3.1.Laure Mortgat (*1983)
3.2.2.6.3.2.Isabelle Mortgat (*1985), m.2019 Gautier Walckiers
3.2.2.6.4.Princess Christine de Ligne (*1955), m.1981 Prince António of Brazil (*1950)
3.2.2.6.4.1.Prince Pedro Luís of Brazil (1983-2009)
3.2.2.6.4.2.Princess Amélia of Brazil (*1984), m.2014 James Spearman (*1984)
3.2.2.6.4.2.1.Alexander Spearman (*2016)
3.2.2.6.4.2.2.Nicholas Spearman (*2018)
3.2.2.6.4.3.Prince Rafael of Brazil (*1986)
3.2.2.6.4.4.Princess Maria Gabriela of Brazil (*1989)
3.2.2.6.5.Princess Sophie de Ligne (*1957), m.1982 (div 1998) Count Philippe de Nicolay (*1955)
3.2.2.6.5.1.Count François de Nicolay (*1989)
3.2.2.6.5.2.Count Guy de Nicolay (*1993)
3.2.2.6.6.Prince Antoine de Ligne (*1959), m.2001 Countess Minthia de Lannoy (*1966)
3.2.2.6.6.1.Prince Louis de Ligne (*2003)
3.2.2.6.6.2.Princess Marie de Ligne (*2004)
3.2.2.6.6.3.Princess Florence de Ligne (*2007)
3.2.2.6.7.Princess Yolande de Ligne (*1964), m.1994 Hugo Townsend (*1945)
3.2.2.6.7.1.Marie Townsend (*1995)
3.2.2.6.7.2.George Townsend (*1997)
3.2.2.6.7.3.James Townsend (*1998)
3.2.2.6.7.4.Bartholomew Townsend (*2001)

Source: Descendants of Duke Wilhelm of Nassau

A true matriarch!

An Ard Ri 02-12-2019 01:48 PM

Don't the Ligne family attend Mass at the church of St. Pierre de Beloeil where the funeral will take place?

HereditaryPrincess 02-12-2019 03:45 PM

Sad to hear, may Princess Alix rest in peace. Interesting to read about her life as I didn't know much about her beforehand.

Somebody 02-12-2019 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Biri (Post 2196323)
List of descendants of Alix and Antoine:

3.2.2.6.Princess Alix of Luxemburg (1929-2019), m.1950 Antoine, Prince de Ligne (1925-2005)
3.2.2.6.1.Michel, Prince de Ligne (*1951), m.1981 Princess Eleonora of Brazil (*1953)
3.2.2.6.1.1.Princess Alix de Ligne (*1984), m.2016 Count Guillaume de Dampierre (*1985)
3.2.2.6.1.1.1.Olympia de Dampierre (*2017)
3.2.2.6.1.2.Prince Henri de Ligne (*1989)
3.2.2.6.2.Prince Wauthier de Ligne (*1952), m.1976 Countess Régine de Renesse (*1955)
3.2.2.6.2.1.Prince Philippe de Ligne (*1977), m.2008 Jonkvrouw Laetitia Rolin (*1981)
3.2.2.6.2.1.1.Prince Jean-Charles de Ligne (*2010)
3.2.2.6.2.1.2.Princess Aliénor de Ligne (*2012)
3.2.2.6.2.1.3.Princesse Constance de Ligne (*2017)
3.2.2.6.2.2.Princess Mélanie de Ligne (*1979), m.2011 Paul Weingarten
3.2.2.6.2.2.1.Félix Weingarten (*2013)
3.2.2.6.2.3.Princess Elisabeth de Ligne (*1983), m.2005 Baron Baudouin Gillès de Pélichy (*1982)
3.2.2.6.2.3.1.Baron Antoine Gillès de Pélichy (*2006)
3.2.2.6.2.3.2.Baron Charles Gillès de Pélichy (*2008)
3.2.2.6.2.3.3.Jonkvrouw Philippine Gillès de Pélichy (*2010)
3.2.2.6.2.3.4.Jonkvrouw Marguerite Gillès de Pélichy (*2012)
3.2.2.6.2.3.5.Jonkvrouw Marie Gillès de Pélichy (*2014)
3.2.2.6.3.Princesse Anne-Isabelle de Ligne (*1954), m.1st 1981 (div) Olivier Mortgat (*1956), m.2nd 2010 Ridder Charles de Fabribeckers de Cortils de Grâce (*1939)
3.2.2.6.3.1.Laure Mortgat (*1983)
3.2.2.6.3.2.Isabelle Mortgat (*1985), m.2019 Gautier Walckiers
3.2.2.6.4.Princess Christine de Ligne (*1955), m.1981 Prince António of Brazil (*1950)
3.2.2.6.4.1.Prince Pedro Luís of Brazil (1983-2009)
3.2.2.6.4.2.Princess Amélia of Brazil (*1984), m.2014 James Spearman (*1984)
3.2.2.6.4.2.1.Alexander Spearman (*2016)
3.2.2.6.4.2.2.Nicholas Spearman (*2018)
3.2.2.6.4.3.Prince Rafael of Brazil (*1986)
3.2.2.6.4.4.Princess Maria Gabriela of Brazil (*1989)
3.2.2.6.5.Princess Sophie de Ligne (*1957), m.1982 (div 1998) Count Philippe de Nicolay (*1955)
3.2.2.6.5.1.Count François de Nicolay (*1989)
3.2.2.6.5.2.Count Guy de Nicolay (*1993)
3.2.2.6.6.Prince Antoine de Ligne (*1959), m.2001 Countess Minthia de Lannoy (*1966)
3.2.2.6.6.1.Prince Louis de Ligne (*2003)
3.2.2.6.6.2.Princess Marie de Ligne (*2004)
3.2.2.6.6.3.Princess Florence de Ligne (*2007)
3.2.2.6.7.Princess Yolande de Ligne (*1964), m.1994 Hugo Townsend (*1945)
3.2.2.6.7.1.Marie Townsend (*1995)
3.2.2.6.7.2.George Townsend (*1997)
3.2.2.6.7.3.James Townsend (*1998)
3.2.2.6.7.4.Bartholomew Townsend (*2001)

Source: Descendants of Duke Wilhelm of Nassau

A true matriarch!

Quick -in between- question: Why is Olympia not listed as countess? Her mother's cousins (Francois and Nicolay) are listed as counts and also have a (princess de Ligne and) count as father just like Olympia.

JR76 02-12-2019 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2196426)
Quick -in between- question: Why is Olympia not listed as countess? Her mother's cousins (Francois and Nicolay) are listed as counts and also have a (princess de Ligne and) count as father just like Olympia.

I don't know about Belgium, but in Sweden young children and all unmarried women of the nobility aren't styled according to their title.

An Ard Ri 02-12-2019 04:38 PM

I thought she was styled Countess Olympia de Dampierre?

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Princess Alix Marie Isabelle Adelgonde Eléonore de Ligne (born 3 July 1984 in Brussels), married on 18 June 2016 in Belœil, Count Guillaume Aymar Emmanuel de Dampierre (born 4 May 1985 in Paris), son of Count Audouin de Dampierre and Countess Roselyne de Biaudos de Castéja. They have one daughter:
Countess Olympia de Dampierre (born 21 December 2017 in Rio de Janeiro

Duc_et_Pair 02-12-2019 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2196426)
Quick -in between- question: Why is Olympia not listed as countess? Her mother's cousins (Francois and Nicolay) are listed as counts and also have a (princess de Ligne and) count as father just like Olympia.

In French and similar nobiliary systems titles are often hereditary from male to male only:

For an example see Anne-Aymone Sauvage de Brantes (wife of former President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing). She is the daughter of the Comte de Brantes but is not styled comtesse de Brantes herself.

See Bernadette Chodron de Courcel (wife of former President Jacques Chirac). She is the daughter of the Baron de Courcel but is not styled baronne de Courcel herself.

See the mother of Delphine Boël. She is the daughter of the Baron de Selys Longchamps. In Dutch language sites I see her styled as barones, but in French language sites only as De Selys Longchamps, without baronne.

Moonmaiden23 02-12-2019 05:33 PM

Beloeil is one of the most beautiful and enchanting palaces I have ever seen....it reminds me of Versailles from.:smile:

Tatiana Maria 02-12-2019 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 2196443)
In French and similar nobiliary systems titles are often hereditary from male to male only:

For an example see Anne-Aymone Sauvage de Brantes (wife of former President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing). She is the daughter of the Comte de Brantes but is not styled comtesse de Brantes herself.

See Bernadette Chodron de Courcel (wife of former President Jacques Chirac). She is the daughter of the Baron de Courcel but is not styled baronne de Courcel herself.

I believe the French system is different from the Belgian.

In the Belgian system hereditary titles are generally, albeit not in every case, hereditary from males to all their male and female children.

Take this 2001 Royal Decree for example in which then-Princess Mathilde is called
La Princesse Mathilde, Marie, Christine, Ghislaine, Comtesse d'Udekem d'Acoz, Duchesse de Brabant, Princesse de Belgique

Moniteur Belge - Belgisch Staatsblad
even though her father, not she, was awarded the title of Count in 1999.


I am less familiar with the French system, but my understanding is that French hereditary titles are generally (though likewise, not in every case) hereditary by male primogeniture. However, in practice, younger children are oftentimes styled with courtesy titles. In some families, this practice is extended only to sons and not daughters.


Quote:

See the mother of Delphine Boël. She is the daughter of the Baron de Selys Longchamps. In Dutch language sites I see her styled as barones, but in French language sites only as De Selys Longchamps, without baronne.
ETA: That is an interesting difference. Jacques Boël also appears to be styled without écuyer in French language sites. Do they perhaps simply rely less on titles?

Biri 02-12-2019 05:44 PM

Young Alix - My God, how much she resembles Diana Spencer here!

Royal Musings

Duc_et_Pair 02-13-2019 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria (Post 2196461)
I believe the French system is different from the Belgian.

In the Belgian system hereditary titles are generally, albeit not in every case, hereditary from males to all their male and female children.

Take this 2001 Royal Decree for example in which then-Princess Mathilde is called
La Princesse Mathilde, Marie, Christine, Ghislaine, Comtesse d'Udekem d'Acoz, Duchesse de Brabant, Princesse de Belgique

Moniteur Belge - Belgisch Staatsblad
even though her father, not she, was awarded the title of Count in 1999.


I am less familiar with the French system, but my understanding is that French hereditary titles are generally (though likewise, not in every case) hereditary by male primogeniture. However, in practice, younger children are oftentimes styled with courtesy titles. In some families, this practice is extended only to sons and not daughters.




ETA: That is an interesting difference. Jacques Boël also appears to be styled without écuyer in French language sites. Do they perhaps simply rely less on titles?


Most likely it indeed depends on the precize wording in Decrees of Nobility and/or the customs inside a family, I think. Emmanuelle de Dampierre (grandmother of Luis Alfonso de Borbón) was also never styled as vicomtesse de Dampierre, despite being the daughter of le vicomte Roger de Dampierre and of Vittoria dei principi Ruspoli.

Stéphanie de Lannoy and her sisters are indeed styled Comtesse de Lannoy :
https://www.inmemoriam.be/nl/2012-08...-saint-empire/

maria-olivia 02-13-2019 05:47 AM

For all the Posters , I found the annoucement of Son Altesse le Prince (Antoine) de LIGNE who passed away in 2005.
You may see that in Belgium a Lady keeps her tittle she received by birth.

S.A. le Prince et S.A.R. la Princesse Michel de LIGNE
LL.AA. le Prince et la Princesse Wauthier de LIGNE
S.A. la Princesse Anne de LIGNE
LL.AA.RR. le Prince et la Princesse Antoine de ORLEANS e BRAGANCA
S.A. la Princesse Sophie de LIGNE
LL.AA. le Prince et la Princesse Lamoral de LIGNE
Mr. et S.A. Mrs Hugo TOWNSEND

Please , do not contest this , this is official.

maria-olivia 02-15-2019 06:51 AM

I wonder which Royal will attend the Funerals ?.
I suppose Grand Duke Henri , in name of his frail Father, the Grand Duchess MT if she is not in Paris.
Princesses Marie Astrid, Margaretha and Sybilla will attend.
The Hed Grand Dukes I am not sure.
A belgian Royal , I am not sure too.

eya 02-16-2019 05:45 AM

Galleries from the funeral today

https://www.belgaimage.be/#/gallery/6456534

https://www.rexfeatures.com/set/10108462

The Grand Ducal Family was of course there, and Prince Laurent.

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2197380)
I did not see Grand Duke Henri's Children, nor Archduchess Marie Astrid and family..

Archduchess Marie Astrid was attend

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DziQHaeX0AEvrlT.jpg

An interested full report for the funeral from the Royalement Blog:

https://t.co/TIMaxwGHwf

Somebody 02-16-2019 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2196558)
For all the Posters , I found the annoucement of Son Altesse le Prince (Antoine) de LIGNE who passed away in 2005.
You may see that in Belgium a Lady keeps her tittle she received by birth.

S.A. le Prince et S.A.R. la Princesse Michel de LIGNE
LL.AA. le Prince et la Princesse Wauthier de LIGNE
S.A. la Princesse Anne de LIGNE
LL.AA.RR. le Prince et la Princesse Antoine de ORLEANS e BRAGANCA
S.A. la Princesse Sophie de LIGNE
LL.AA. le Prince et la Princesse Lamoral de LIGNE
Mr. et S.A. Mrs Hugo TOWNSEND

Please , do not contest this , this is official.

I assume you meant to say that a princess keeps her style instead of her title? Because the above shows princess Yolande de Ligne as 'SA Mrs Hugo Townsend', not as 'SA princess Yolande de Ligne' and princess Eleanora as SAR instead of SA but combined with her husband's title, not her birth title.

Two married princesses Anne and Sophie are shown without their husbands. In their cases their birth title is indeed mentioned, intead of being referenced as SA mrs Olivier Mortgat and SA countess Philippe de Nicolay. So, I'm not sure what to make of it. Why are all children-in-law mentioned except for these two sons-in-law?

Quote:

Originally Posted by eya (Post 2197346)
First Gallery from the funeral today

https://www.belgaimage.be/#/gallery/6456534

The Grand Ducal Family was of course there, and Prince Laurent.

Glad to see that grand duke Jean was able to attend his sister's funeral. As siblings, he and sister Marie-Gabrielle were most likely the only ones who have known her her whole life.

An Ard Ri 02-16-2019 07:10 AM

I'm also happy to see Grand Duke Jean present was surprised to see Prince Laurent at the funeral Mass.

Duc_et_Pair 02-16-2019 08:59 AM

I could not find this thread. It is enlisted under Royal Family of Belgium, while Princess Alix de Luxembourg, de Nassau, de Bourbon de Parme has nothing to do with the Belgian royal family.

Good to see her brother, Grand-Duc Jean. Good to see Laurent, but he did no effort to honour the dresscode (jacquet).

maria-olivia 02-16-2019 09:05 AM

I did not see Grand Duke Henri's Children, nor Archduchess Marie Astrid and family..

Somebody ,
My english is not fluent , I should have said I presume their style and not their tittle . I don't even know the difference. Thanks for correcting. MO

iceflower 02-16-2019 09:48 AM

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Here's another gallery of the funeral:


** gettyimages gallery **

Somebody 02-16-2019 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2197381)
Somebody ,
My english is not fluent , I should have said I presume their style and not their tittle . I don't even know the difference. Thanks for correcting. MO

In short, style is the '(Royal) Highness' and title is for example 'princess de Ligne'.

Your message was interesting as it indeed showed that they used their style while not using their title and in some daughters being addressed by their title (husband not mentioned) and others by their husband's. That part I still don't understand.

Tatiana Maria 02-16-2019 10:02 AM

As the ruling houses of Belgian and Luxembourg appear extremely close, I am glad the former was able to send a representative to Princess Alix's funeral (and hopefully send one to the memorial service in Luxembourg).


Quote:

Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2197350)
I assume you meant to say that a princess keeps her style instead of her title? Because the above shows princess Yolande de Ligne as 'SA Mrs Hugo Townsend', not as 'SA princess Yolande de Ligne' and princess Eleanora as SAR instead of SA but combined with her husband's title, not her birth title.

Quote:

Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2197381)
Somebody ,
My english is not fluent , I should have said I presume their style and not their tittle . I don't even know the difference. Thanks for correcting. MO

The style Highness generally (with rare exceptions) depends on a title, so the mention of the style shows that the title was kept, even if not shown. Belgian married women maintain their birth names and titles in legal documentation, even if they prefer to be referenced with their husbands' titles.

For comparison, take the earlier examples of Mathilde of Belgium and Alix of Ligne: They were generally called by the titles they acquired after marriage, but their birth titles were maintained.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria (Post 2196293)
The announcement from the Grand-Ducal Court of Luxembourg:

Décès de Son Altesse Royale la Princesse Alix - Cour Grand-Ducale de Luxembourg - Février 2019

Notice the Grand-Ducal Court styles her as "Her Royal Highness Princess Alix, Princess of Ligne, Princess of Luxembourg". It is the same as in the Belgian royal family (but different from the Dutch royal family): "Princess (First name)" is a titular dignity which is separate from "Princess of (Name of country)".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria (Post 2196461)
La Princesse Mathilde, Marie, Christine, Ghislaine, Comtesse d'Udekem d'Acoz, Duchesse de Brabant, Princesse de Belgique

Moniteur Belge - Belgisch Staatsblad


Quote:

Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2197350)
Two married princesses Anne and Sophie are shown without their husbands. In their cases their birth title is indeed mentioned, intead of being referenced as SA mrs Olivier Mortgat and SA countess Philippe de Nicolay. So, I'm not sure what to make of it. Why are all children-in-law mentioned except for these two sons-in-law?

It seems to be convention that divorcees in the Belgian nobility revert to using their birth names and divorced ex-children-in-law are not mentioned in announcements.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 2197377)
I could not find this thread. It is enlisted under Royal Family of Belgium, while Princess Alix de Luxembourg, de Nassau, de Bourbon de Parme has nothing to do with the Belgian royal family.

This is most likely because she was chiefly a Princess of Ligne, styled by her married title and based at the castle of the Ligne family. The Lignes are listed under Royal Family of Belgium as a Belgian noble family. :flowers:

Somebody 02-16-2019 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2197380)
I did not see Grand Duke Henri's Children, nor Archduchess Marie Astrid and family..

I wouldn't typically expect people to attend the funeral of their greataunt unles they have a close relationship. I would also have expected Marie-Astrid and Carl Christian to atend. Did you see Jean, Diane, Guillaume, Sibilla and all their paternal cousins (I don't think I would recognize most of the latter)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria (Post 2197388)
The style Highness generally (with rare exceptions) depends on a title, so the mention of the style shows that the title was kept, even if not shown. Belgian married women maintain their birth names and titles in legal documentation, even if they prefer to be referenced with their husbands' titles.

For comparison, take the earlier examples of Mathilde of Belgium and Alix of Ligne: They were generally called by the titles they acquired after marriage, but their birth titles were maintained.

Wouldn't that generally be the rule? To me the weird part is the mixing of style and the way they are addressed, especially when not using a noble title at all. But this explanation makes sense, the style refers to the title that they decide to hide but still hold.

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It seems to be convention that divorcees in the Belgian nobility revert to using their birth names and divorced ex-children-in-law are not mentioned in announcements.
Thanks for that update. Then it makes complete sense. I looked them up as I wondred whether they miht be divorced and couldn't find information on a divorce, which is why I referred to husbands.

Tatiana Maria 02-16-2019 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2197390)
Wouldn't that generally be the rule? To me the weird part is the mixing of style and the way they are addressed, especially when not using a noble title at all. But this explanation makes sense, the style refers to the title that they decide to hide but still hold.

Exactly; by the conventional rules of most of the royal and noble families of Europe, a married woman is addressed with her husband's title combined with the highest ranked style she holds (which may be the one attached to her husband's title or the one attached to her hidden birth title), but continues to hold both her birth and married titles even when not using them.

However, within the trends towards gender equality and marriage to commoners, it has become less rare that a married woman decides to be addressed with her birth title or style. For example, in 1991, the Belgian royal court ceased to address Princess Astrid as "Her Imperial and Royal Highness" and "Archduchess Astrid of Austria-Este" and began to address her as "Her Royal Highness" and "Princess Astrid of Belgium" (likewise with her children).
Princess Astrid of Belgium

Her Royal Highness Princess Astrid, Princess of Belgium, was born in Brussels on 5 June 1962. She is the second child of King Albert II and Queen Paola.

Princess Astrid | The Belgian Monarchy

The other members of the Royal Family are also attended by a staff for the functions they exercise in the name of the King, and fall under the various Households and Services: The Household of His Majesty King Albert, the Service of Her Royal Highness Princess Astrid and the Service of His Royal Highness Prince Laurent.

Royal household | The Belgian Monarchy

MAfan 02-16-2019 12:40 PM

Also her sister-in-law Archduchess Yolande of Austria was in attendance.

HereditaryPrincess 02-16-2019 05:28 PM

I was very pleasantly surprised to see Laurent as the Belgian representative considering that he rarely attends events within his own immediate family! It was also nice to see that Jean could make it. Despite being less mobile than he was, he seemed well.

maria-olivia 02-16-2019 05:28 PM

The Prince de Ligne (Michel) wore the Order of the Golden Fleece. His Father was also Knight of the Order. Only 3 belgian Noble Families are.

Great Royal/Noble Dignity Funerals of a beloved Mother , Grandmother ,Sister and more.
Prince Laurent is Prince Lamoral's friend.
They did well !

Moonmaiden23 02-17-2019 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2197467)
The Prince de Ligne (Michel) wore the Order of the Golden Fleece. His Father was also Knight of the Order. Only 3 belgian Noble Families are.

Was the late Philippe de Lannoy a Knight of the Order of the Golden Fleece?

Duc_et_Pair 02-17-2019 10:04 AM

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Was the late Philippe de Lannoy a Knight of the Order of the Golden Fleece?

No, sixteen De Lannoys have been Knight in the Order of the Golden Fleece, but not the late Philippe de Lannoy. The last De Lannoy to have been ennobled into this Order was in 1744, when the Southern Netherlands were under Habsburg rule

Somebody 02-17-2019 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by eya (Post 2197562)
An interested full report for the funeral from the Royalement Blog:

https://t.co/TIMaxwGHwf

Thanks!

I noticed that Henri and Gabriella attended the funeral of their great aunt together. Probably the first pictures of the engaged couple in 15 months?

Mbruno 02-17-2019 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2197467)
The Prince de Ligne (Michel) wore the Order of the Golden Fleece. His Father was also Knight of the Order. Only 3 belgian Noble Families are.


That would be the Austrian (Habsburg) Golden Fleece of course, which some people see as the only legitimate successor to the medieval Burgundian order of the Golden Fleece.

maria-olivia 02-17-2019 12:46 PM

Yes the Austrian Catholic Order. The King of the Belgians had the Austrian Order.
When King Juan Carlos came on Official Visit to Belgium he gave King Albert II the Spanish Order of the Golden Fleece. He is the only one who has the 2 Orders .

Hannelore 02-18-2019 08:54 AM

Interesting to see that Gabriella Habsburg-Lothringen is still together with the father of her child, Henri Bourbon.

An Ard Ri 02-18-2019 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2197629)
Yes the Austrian Catholic Order. The King of the Belgians had the Austrian Order.
When King Juan Carlos came on Official Visit to Belgium he gave King Albert II the Spanish Order of the Golden Fleece. He is the only one who has the 2 Orders .

Had forgotten that the Austrian Order can only be bestowed on Roman Catholics unlike the Spanish one.

Mbruno 02-18-2019 10:11 AM

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Had forgotten that the Austrian Order can only be bestowed on Roman Catholics unlike the Spanish one.

And, if I am not mistaken, it is only bestowed on males also.

The Spanish order was once also strictly for Catholics. I believe the Duke of Wellington was the first Protestant to receive the Spanish Golden Fleece.

Stefan 02-18-2019 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2197629)
Yes the Austrian Catholic Order. The King of the Belgians had the Austrian Order.
When King Juan Carlos came on Official Visit to Belgium he gave King Albert II the Spanish Order of the Golden Fleece. He is the only one who has the 2 Orders .


Was King Philippe given the austrian Golden Fleece since his accession?

An Ard Ri 02-18-2019 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 2197790)
Was King Philippe given the austrian Golden Fleece since his accession?

Wasn't he bestowed the Order back in 2008?

Living members


The Duke of Bavaria (1960)
Count Johann Larisch of Moennich (1960)
Archduke Karl of Austria (1961) – Sovereign (Grand Master) of the Order since 2000
Archduke Andreas Salvator of Austria, Prince of Tuscany
Archduke Carl Salvator of Austria, Prince of Tuscany
Prince Lorenz of Belgium, Archduke of Austria-Este
Archduke Michael of Austria
Archduke Michael Salvator of Austria, Prince of Tuscany
Archduke Georg of Austria
Archduke Carl Christian of Austria
King Albert II of Belgium
Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg
Prince Albrecht of Hohenberg
The Duke of Württemberg
The Prince of Lobkowicz
Count Johann of Hoyos-Sprinzenstein
The Prince of Liechtenstein
Prince Clemens of Altenburg
The Duke of Braganza
Count Josef Hubert of Neipperg]
The Duke of Hohenberg
The Prince of Schwarzenberg (1991)
Archduke Joseph of Austria (born 1960)
The Prince of Löwenstein-Wertheim-Rosenberg
Count Gottfried of Czernin of Chudenitz
Mariano Hugo, Prince of Windisch-Graetz
Baron Johann Friedrich of Solemacher-Antweiler
Baron Nicolas Adamovich de Csepin
Bernard Guerrier de Dumast (fr) (2001)
The Prince of Panagyurishte (2002)
The King of the Belgians (2008)
The Prince of Ligne (2011)
Prince Charles-Louis de Merode (2011)
Archduke Ferdinand Zvonimir of Austria
The Margrave of Meissen (2012)

Duc_et_Pair 02-18-2019 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2197817)
Wasn't he bestowed the Order back in 2008?

Living members


The Duke of Bavaria (1960)
Count Johann Larisch of Moennich (1960)
Archduke Karl of Austria (1961) – Sovereign (Grand Master) of the Order since 2000
Archduke Andreas Salvator of Austria, Prince of Tuscany
Archduke Carl Salvator of Austria, Prince of Tuscany
Prince Lorenz of Belgium, Archduke of Austria-Este
Archduke Michael of Austria
Archduke Michael Salvator of Austria, Prince of Tuscany
Archduke Georg of Austria
Archduke Carl Christian of Austria
King Albert II of Belgium
Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg
Prince Albrecht of Hohenberg
The Duke of Württemberg
The Prince of Lobkowicz
Count Johann of Hoyos-Sprinzenstein
The Prince of Liechtenstein
Prince Clemens of Altenburg
The Duke of Braganza
Count Josef Hubert of Neipperg]
The Duke of Hohenberg
The Prince of Schwarzenberg (1991)
Archduke Joseph of Austria (born 1960)
The Prince of Löwenstein-Wertheim-Rosenberg
Count Gottfried of Czernin of Chudenitz
Mariano Hugo, Prince of Windisch-Graetz
Baron Johann Friedrich of Solemacher-Antweiler
Baron Nicolas Adamovich de Csepin
Bernard Guerrier de Dumast (fr) (2001)
The Prince of Panagyurishte (2002)
The King of the Belgians (2008)
The Prince of Ligne (2011)
Prince Charles-Louis de Merode (2011)
Archduke Ferdinand Zvonimir of Austria
The Margrave of Meissen (2012)

Interesting that the Graf Czernin von und zu Chudentiz has been ennobled into the Order of the Golden Fleece. It seems that on his death bed Kaiser Karl demanded his former Minister of Foreign Affairs to be stripped of the Golden Fleece because of erratic and traitorous behaviour in the Sixtus Affair.

Interesting that this blame of treason did not block the Count Czernin von und zu Chudenitz to receive another Golden Fleece.

Prisma 03-01-2019 04:17 AM

The memorial mass for Princess Alix in Luxembourg at the Église Saint Michel is scheduled for March 5 at 6pm

Communiqué du Maréchalat de la Cour - Cour Grand-Ducale de Luxembourg - Mars 2019

Prisma 03-06-2019 12:47 AM

:previous: A few photos from Wort of the memorial mass for Princess Alix on March 5th.

Gedenkmesse für Prinzessin Alix - Luxemburger Wort

iceflower 03-06-2019 06:01 AM

:previous:


Here are two more photos of yesterday's mass:


** monarchie.lu: Service religieux en mémoire de la Princesse Alix de Ligne, Princesse de Luxembourg **

maria-olivia 03-06-2019 07:15 AM

I saw a picture in Paris Match: Princess Yolande , Mrs Townsend presented her husband to Prince laurent. Hugo Townsend remain sitting and looked very frail.

An Ard Ri 03-06-2019 02:54 PM

I only spotted the Grand Duke in the photos, who else was there from the Grand Ducal Family at the Memorial Mass?

HereditaryPrincess 03-06-2019 04:26 PM

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I only spotted the Grand Duke in the photos, who else was there from the Grand Ducal Family at the Memorial Mass?

Grand Duke Jean as well as Grand Duke Henri and Grand Duchess Maria Theresa were present IIRC; as were Princess Margaretha but they were the only ones I could find. The PM of Luxembourg was also there.

maria-olivia 03-06-2019 05:26 PM

I did not see the Grand Duchess and no one of her Children.
The Prince and the Princess de Ligne , Prince lamoral de Ligne and Princess Sophie de Ligne. Next to Prince Guillaume and Princess Sybilla , Mrs de Podesta , born Princess of Hohenberg.

JR76 03-06-2019 05:57 PM

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Mrs de Podesta , born Princess of Hohenberg.

Isn't she a Baroness de Potesta?

maria-olivia 03-07-2019 05:45 AM

Yes indeed, her husband was there too.

HereditaryPrincess 03-08-2019 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 2202140)
Grand Duke Jean as well as Grand Duke Henri and Grand Duchess Maria Theresa were present IIRC; as were Princess Margaretha but they were the only ones I could find. The PM of Luxembourg was also there.

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 2202149)
I did not see the Grand Duchess and no one of her Children.
The Prince and the Princess de Ligne , Prince lamoral de Ligne and Princess Sophie de Ligne. Next to Prince Guillaume and Princess Sybilla , Mrs de Podesta , born Princess of Hohenberg.

This made me realise I now know An Ard Ri meant today's mass rather than the funeral - that was a poor mistake on my part!


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