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Duke of Marmalade 12-17-2017 02:22 PM

King Felipe's 50th Birthday January 30, 2018
 
I thought this is a good opportunity to open the thread for Felipe's upcoming birthday on January 30. Commemoratives coins for 50th birthday of Spain's King Felipe VI Photos and Images | european pressphoto agency https://elpais.com/economia/2017/12/...78_012182.html

Marengo 12-17-2017 07:28 PM

It is a good idea indeed. Thank you for doing so.

Do we know if there are any festivities that are planned? I suspect there will be few as the Spanish RF always seems to regard birthdays as private events, perhaps rightly so.

An Ard Ri 12-18-2017 07:12 AM

I very much doubt there will be anything the Spanish RF take low key to another level.

W.Y.CII 12-18-2017 08:32 AM

Considering SRF's lowkey style and political situation of Spain I don't think there will not be many celebrations, maybe just a private dinner(s) and some new portraits. But I hope I'm wrong :flowers:

Duke of Marmalade 12-18-2017 09:05 AM

I think we'll see some new portraits and maybe some insight about Felipe's work life, similar to after the first year on the throne.
I doubt there will be a party a la Willem Alexander but it would be nice to do something that includes at least the public.

eya 12-19-2017 05:36 PM

Vanity Fair Espana celebrates the 50th of King Felipe

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc4zE1Al...anityfairspain


"On the verge of turning 50 years old, Felipe VI seeks to endorse himself with a firm position in the face of the Catalan crisis. For some, the king is finally present. For others, the split with the monarchy is enlarged. David Jiménez follows in the footsteps of the monarch and speaks with his usual friends, his colleagues in the military academy, his circle of confidence in the Royal House, ambassadors and politicians to understand also the two figures that live in it: the king and the person behind the charge; the one that confesses in private that sometimes imagines a life far from the Crown."

https://m.revistavanityfair.es/la-rev...discurso/27916

An Ard Ri 12-19-2017 06:10 PM

Given the general frostiness within the SRF I doubt there will be any celebrations the atmosphere and sour faces at the late Infanta Alicia's Memorial Mass is still a raw memory.

If we're luck we'll get a photo of Felipe/Letizia and the girls.

Duke of Marmalade 01-11-2018 09:59 AM

Conmemorative stamp on the occasion of King Felipe VI's 50th birthday
Efemérides. 50 Aniversario S.M. el Rey Felipe VI

its a nice portrait of Felipe, time to update the beardless photo from 2014

An Ard Ri 01-11-2018 10:10 AM

We'll see if Casa Real remember its the King's 50th Birthday and actually publish something new!

camelot23ca 01-11-2018 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2062326)
We'll see if Casa Real remember its the King's 50th Birthday and actually publish something new!

After the way they handled Juan Carlos' birthday picture nothing would surprise me but I actually expect a new picture of Felipe, as well as a family picture. I think that's kind of the bare minimum. And they did release a nice picture of Leonor on her birthday.

Stefanie 01-12-2018 12:02 AM

I bet dinner and cinema with Leti- that' s it- Same procedure as every year:bang:

Duke of Marmalade 01-13-2018 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2062326)
We'll see if Casa Real remember its the King's 50th Birthday and actually publish something new!

Obviously Felipe has been photographed exclusively a while ago, as we can see on the stamp and at casareal, where his military portaits have been renewed. For some reason casareal failed to update his personal portait (and the one of the Queen and the pair shot) since it still shows him/her/them as Princes of Asturias. And there is no official photo of the family at all, its overdue to update that section.
CORREOS

Mbruno 01-13-2018 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2052760)
I very much doubt there will be anything the Spanish RF take low key to another level.

Incidentally, I was watching the news today on the international channel of the Spanish public TV (TVE) and, by coincidence, there was a live broadcast on of a speech by Pablo Iglesias, the leader of the Podemos party.

Once again, it struck me that he used the term "monarchist bloc" to refer not only to the center-right parties (PP and Ciudadanos), but also to the Socialist Party, which he accused of "betraying" the "progressive parties" to align itself with the "monarchists". The speech in itself was not about the republic or toppling the monarchy, but it is curious how Podemos now systematically equates everything they are supposedly against (capitalism, the establishment, the center-right parties, or whatever) to the "monarchist bloc".

The rest of the speech on the other hand was the usual for Iglesias: he attacked French president Macron ("a banker" in his words), chancellor Merkel, the European Union, the Argentinean president Macri, president elect Piñera of Chile, and the pro-Brexit Tory government in the UK, and defended the Bolivarian regime of Venezuela.

An Ard Ri 01-16-2018 03:47 PM

Hola will issue a special edition to mark the 50th Birthday of H.M.King Felipe VI later this month.

https://www.hola.com/imagenes/realez...cial-rey-t.jpg

lula 01-17-2018 08:41 AM

Telemadrid celebrates the 50th anniversary of King Felipe VI with the documentary 'The Night of the King', which recreates the five decades of the monarch with the main protagonists of Spanish life. The President of the Government, Mariano Rajoy, his predecessors José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero and José María Aznar, the main political leaders such as Pedro Sánchez, Pablo Iglesias, Albert Rivera and Alfredo Pérez Rubalcaba.

Rajoy, Zapatero, Aznar, Pedro Sánchez, Pablo Iglesias y Albert Rivera retratan a Felipe VI en ‘La noche del Rey’ | Telemadrid – Radio Televisión Madrid

lula 01-19-2018 09:30 AM

King Felipe will decorate the Princess of Asturias with the Golden Fleece in a ceremony on January 30 at the Royal Palace

El Rey impondrá el Toisón de Oro a la Princesa Leonor el martes 30 en el Palacio Real

La Princesa Leonor recibirá el collar del Toisón de Oro el día del 50 cumpleaños del Rey

Mbruno 01-19-2018 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by lula (Post 2064941)
King Felipe will decorate the Princess of Asturias with the Golden Fleece in a ceremony on January 30 at the Royal Palace

El Rey impondrá el Toisón de Oro a la Princesa Leonor el martes 30 en el Palacio Real

La Princesa Leonor recibirá el collar del Toisón de Oro el día del 50 cumpleaños del Rey

I am afraid the collar will be quite heavy for a little ten-year-old girl to wear.

Duc_et_Pair 01-19-2018 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2064943)
I am afraid the collar will be quite heavy for a little ten-year-old girl to wear.

Doña Leonor does not need to wear it: the collar can remain on a cushion and instead a miniature is pinned on the dress.

The Order and the miniature

The King bestows the Order by pinning the miniature

Dman 01-19-2018 11:12 AM

Very exciting to know the Princess of Asturias will get some regalia. Every senior royal lady should have her own regalia. Yes, even if she’s twelve.

Biri 01-19-2018 11:22 AM

Princess of Asturias is twelve.

Duke of Marmalade 01-19-2018 11:30 AM

Felipe received it in 1981 at the age of 13:
https://casarealespanola.files.wordp...01-644x362.jpg
https://www.hola.com/imagenes/realez...lipe-12--z.jpg

An Ard Ri 01-19-2018 11:47 AM

The Princess was granted the Order of the Golden Fleece by her father a few days before her 10th birthday this is the formal ceremony and really personal on the Kings 50th Birthday.

Hopefully Letizia will start getting some new orders in 2018.

ANNIE_S 01-19-2018 01:54 PM

And actually the ladies version is a bow, not a collar. Like Queen Elizabeth is wearing here, at the recent Spanish State Visit:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/7e...faaeb2280f.jpg

Mbruno 01-19-2018 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Biri (Post 2064966)
Princess of Asturias is twelve.

I stand corrected. She is twelve, but still too young to wear the collar comfortably.

Duc, is the pinned miniature the same insignia that is worn on a knight's necklace or on a dame's bow as Queen Elizabeth II wore at the Spanish state dinner, or is it smaller ?

Mbruno 01-19-2018 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ANNIE_S (Post 2065036)
And actually the ladies version is a bow, not a collar. Like Queen Elizabeth is wearing here, at the recent Spanish State Visit:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/7e...faaeb2280f.jpg

I believe ladies can also wear the collar as Queen Beatrix is doing here .

The main difference seems to be that men also wear the necklace insignia (as King Juan Carlos is doing in the picture BTW), whereas ladies wear it on a bow ribbon.

carina_a 01-19-2018 09:37 PM

I thought Leonor already received the Order of the Golden Fleece on her 10th birthday? I remember reading about it back then.

So this is just an extra ceremony for the King to "officially putting the order on Leonor"?

Alisa 01-20-2018 04:37 PM

What determines when order is given? Does Infanta Sofia already have it?
I have seen Swedish royal babies wearing orders at their baptism . Just curious!

Mbruno 01-20-2018 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Alisa (Post 2065565)
What determines when order is given?

Spanish orders are given out by royal decree, which has to be countersigned by the King and one or more ministers in the Spanish government.

As an example, see below the royal decree conferring the collar of the Order of the Golden Fleece on Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom. It is signed by King Juan Carlos and then Spanish prime minister, Felipe Gonzalez.

Quote:

REAL DECRETO 441/1989, de 5 de mayo, por el que se
concede el Collar de la Insigne Orden del Toisón de Oro a
su Majestad la Reina Isabel II del Reino Unido de Gran
Bretaña e Irlanda del Norte.

Queriendo dar un relevante testimonio de Mi Real aprecio a Su
Majestad la Reina Isabel del Reino Unido de Gran Bretaña e Irlanda
del Norte, y en muestra de la tradicional amistad entre el Reino Unido
de Gran Bretaña e Irlanda del Norte y España;
Oído el Consejo de Ministros,
Vengo a concederle el Collar de la Insigne Orden del Toisón de Oro.

Dado en el Palacio de la Zarzuela a 5 de mayo de 1989.
JUAN CARLOS R.


El Presidente del Gobierno,
FELIPE GONZALEZ MARQUEZ

On your second question:

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Does Infanta Sofia already have it? I have seen Swedish royal babies wearing orders at their baptism . Just curious
As far as I know, Infanta Sofia doesn't have any order yet. As she grows older, she will probably get the Grand Cross of the "Royal and Distinguished Spanish Order of Carlos III", which is the same order that her mother, her aunts and her grandmother have. The Order of the Golden Fleece is normally reserved to the heir to the throne only.


In Sweden, orders are also given out by the King, but under regulations introduced by the Swedish government in 1974, orders could be bestowed only upon foreign nationals; however, those regulations were later amended to allow the King to give orders to members of the Royal Family in addition to foreign nationals or stateless persons. Traditionally, the Royal Order of the Seraphim was presented to princes of Sweden at their baptism, but they didn't actually start wearing it until they came of age. In the case of King Carl Gustaf's children specifically, they received their orders retroactively when they turned 18 as they couldn't get it when they were born under the unamended 1974 regulations. The regulations were actually amended in 1995, precisely the year when CP Victoria turned 18. The King's grandchildren (both male and female) got their orders at their christening ceremony, but again they won't wear it until they are 18.

Stefan 01-20-2018 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2065577)



In Sweden, orders are also given out by the King, but under regulations introduced by the Swedish government in 1974, orders could be bestowed only upon foreign nationals; however, those regulations were later amended to allow the King to give orders to members of the Royal Family in addition to foreign nationals or stateless persons. Traditionally, the Royal Order of the Seraphim is bestowed on Swedish princes or princesses at their baptism, but they don't actually start wearing it until they come of age. In the case of King Carl Gustaf's children specifically, they received their orders retroactively when they turned 18 as they couldn't get it when they were born under the unamended 1974 regulations. The regulations were actually amended in 1995, precisely the year when CP Victoria turned 18.

Interesting is also that Queen Silvia was given the Order of the Seraphim before her Wedding when she was still had the german nationality.

JR76 01-20-2018 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 2065578)
Interesting is also that Queen Silvia was given the Order of the Seraphim before her Wedding when she was still had the german nationality.

It was necessary since once married and a Swedish citizen it would've been illegal for her to receive the order. Just shows how ill thought through parts of the Agreement in Torekov was.

lula 01-24-2018 02:58 PM

The video has exclusive images of official events, and at the end the recording of the Christmas message with the whole family present and other family images.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKyjPo2y9Io

ANNIE_S 01-24-2018 04:22 PM

:heart:

The images of the family during the speech recording, going to school and having lunch are so sweet. Leonor is a charming girl, I loved her telling to the cameraman: "but you're not going to show this, are you?", and watching her father's speech and applauding at the end, and her excitement when her own photography shows up.

lula 01-24-2018 04:59 PM

Unfortunately they have removed the video, probably the images were given to the press to prepare their material, but they could not be shown for a few days.

lula 01-26-2018 07:09 PM

Photos

https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/01/25...60_549408.html

Álbum: un retrato inédito del Rey por su 50 cumpleaños - Con motivo del 50 aniversario del rey Felipe VI,... | Loc/famosos | EL MUNDO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snySdmY7iFc

Princess Larisa 01-26-2018 07:34 PM

Where is this from? Is it a special documentary or from the royal house or just from random reporters?

lula 01-26-2018 07:39 PM

Photos

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...ndo-colegio/1/

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...o-vista-rey/1/

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...aje-navidad/1/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Rfqvf1Jhs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sf7bASJSQY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d0oF313K-Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTIdHHrKLG4

M. Payton 01-26-2018 07:48 PM

King Felipe really does have the presence of being a king, of all the younger generation of men that have become king in recent years, he stands out the most with the presence of kingship.

lula 01-27-2018 04:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DefUJOUPJuY

carlota 01-27-2018 05:21 AM

the video is quite fun. i think by allowing cameras to see their family life they are trying to emulate other courts which traditionally are more press friendly (the dutch, the danish, the swedes), although we can definitely say there is a way to go to reach the transparency of those other courts. for some reason, the spanish still appear slightly stuffy.

Mbruno 01-27-2018 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by carlota (Post 2067938)
the video is quite fun. i think by allowing cameras to see their family life they are trying to emulate other courts which traditionally are more press friendly (the dutch, the danish, the swedes), although we can definitely say there is a way to go to reach the transparency of those other courts. for some reason, the spanish still appear slightly stuffy.

The last clip where the girls, if I understood it correctly, are listing the elements in the Periodic Table is quite odd. I mean, are we supposed to believe that, when they are alone with their parents in the car, they talk about Chemistry ?

An Ard Ri 01-27-2018 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ANNIE_S (Post 2067265)
:heart:

The images of the family during the speech recording, going to school and having lunch are so sweet. Leonor is a charming girl, I loved her telling to the cameraman: "but you're not going to show this, are you?", and watching her father's speech and applauding at the end, and her excitement when her own photography shows up.

It was all so natural and such a surprise to see it all as Casa Real aren't exactly the speediest at releasing new photos/videos.

Mbruno 01-27-2018 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2067948)
It was all so natural and such a surprise to see it all as Casa Real aren't exactly the speediest at releasing new photos/videos.

Actually, it was nothing but natural. It sounded completely staged and artificial.

I must say I am impressed though with the Spanish school system. I don't recall knowing the names and chemical symbols of all the alkaline earth metals and the halogens by heart when I was 12 as Princess Leonor does !

Somebody 01-27-2018 08:18 AM

Indeed, it was very staged. They were all very aware of the camera... I hope a 12 year old doesn't walk down the stairs holding her dad's hand every day. I did like all the 'no sé's (I don't know) of especially Sofia. She wasn't as much into playing the picture perfect family.

I wouldn't say that expecting children to learn the periodic system by heart is a sign of a good school system but it is still impressive that Leonor was able to do so.

Mbruno 01-27-2018 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2067964)
Indeed, it was very staged. They were all very aware of the camera... I hope a 12 year old doesn't walk down the stairs holding her dad's hand every day. I did like all the 'no sé's (I don't know) of especially Sofia. She wasn't as much into playing the picture perfect family.

I wouldn't say that expecting children to learn the periodic system by heart is a sign of a good school system but it is still impressive that Leonor was able to do so.


Queen Letizia is rumored to be a very strict mother. I read once e.g. that Queen Sofia had to give candy treats to her granddaughters in secret because Letizia wouldn't normally allow them to eat sweets.

I understand Letizia wants to give her daughters the best and healthiest possible upbringing and that is commendable on her part. I just think, however, that she should not hide the girls so much from the public, especially now that Leonor is becoming a teenager. They are entitled to privacy, but it is important for the future of the monarchy that they also establish a connection with the people.

lula 01-27-2018 09:33 AM

They comment that Leonor has that day a natural science exam, and she reviews her lesson for the exam, the chemical elements.

Sofia says that she does not have an exam, but that she is going to rehearse a play for the first time in the school's auditorium, and her mother asks her about the professors who will participate in the rehearsal.

ANNIE_S 01-27-2018 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2067946)
The last clip where the girls, if I understood it correctly, are listing the elements in the Periodic Table is quite odd. I mean, are we supposed to believe that, when they are alone with their parents in the car, they talk about Chemistry ?

Why not? I understood Leonor had an exam that day, she was making a recap. I find nothing odd on that, I used to do that with my parents too.

Duke of Marmalade 01-27-2018 10:10 AM

Of course it is staged, and they have to talk about something. The girls seem much more comfortable than their parents.
The lunch is odd, it is taking place at the reception area of the house, they don't live there and it shows. It's the same setting as at Felipe's 40th birthday shoot, very sterile.
But at least they did something and gave photos and a video to the press (similar to 1st anniversary on the throne) and I guess there must be new photos on Jan 30 as Felipe is hardly recognizable on his official picture from 2012, when he was still Prince.

I love this caption of little Sofia
https://www.hola.com/imagenes/realeza...uerzo_3a-a.jpg

An Ard Ri 01-27-2018 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 2068008)
I love this caption of little Sofia
https://www.hola.com/imagenes/realeza...uerzo_3a-a.jpg

Great photo of Sofia!

The king with his glass of wine with dinner,he's living on the wild side ;)

Mbruno 01-27-2018 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2068014)
Great photo of Sofia!

The king with his glass of wine with dinner,he's living on the wild side ;)

That is common in Spain though. Actually, coming from a non-European culture where alcohol is a bit of a taboo, I felt awkward when, in professional visits to Spain, my Spanish colleagues were all drinking wine at lunch. Since I don't drink alcohol daily, and much less at lunchtime, I didn't quite know what to do.

kathia_sophia 01-27-2018 11:08 AM

I live in Portugal and I must say that wine is particulary popular during meals, especially during lunch time. In the summer, most people drink beer during the day, and wine at night. But right now, in winter, wine is a must during the day.

Of course it was staged, I don't recall having seen a photosession or videos that were not part of some sort of celebration. Everything needs to be prepared before start shooting, and that happens in every royal house. Though I must say the Spanish Royal Family seems more stiff, but that's because they are particulary keen on protecting their privacy at all costs and that shows.
But from what I've seen in the video, it starts to feel a bit wrong the way they handle Leonor, she's not confortable in front of cameras. They need to bring her more to the public and start taking her to royal engagements, because if it goes this way it will be much harder for her later on.

ANNIE_S 01-27-2018 12:13 PM

A translation of everything by Tumblr user spanish-royals:

https://spanish-royals.tumblr.com/pos...ideo-casa-real

Winnie 01-27-2018 01:06 PM

Of course it was staged. You really don't think that any royal in any country lets media into their private "space" without knowing ahead of time! Proper security, especially in this violent time our world is in is a must. People complain they don't see the daughters, now you have. I personally am glad it is on the parent's terms and time. I would be very protective of my children especially now in the country of Spain. Some areas of Spain would love to cause upheaval to Spanish government and what a better way than to harm a child. People in this world are nuts, JMHO.

Duc_et_Pair 01-27-2018 02:01 PM

Recommendable to drink a (small) glass of wine during lunch. Very good for digestion. The King is in excellent health, proof that a glass of fermented juice from sun-soaken grapes is a vital part of a healthy diet. ;-)

camelot23ca 01-27-2018 02:32 PM

Well, I think the videos did seem quite stiff and unnatural in a lot of places, but it’s a start. Finally, at age twelve, we’ve heard Leonor say more than one word at a time. That’s progress, (unfortunately I’m being serious), and I hope it won’t be another ten years before we hear her speak again.

Parts of the videos were ok, though. I liked the part where the kids were talking to their father before the speech.The girls were both cute but Sofia was by far the most endearing of the family to me, probably because she seemed to be the most genuinely natural and unconcerned of the four. The others were obviously very aware of the cameras and acting for them.

An Ard Ri 01-27-2018 03:34 PM

It was a rare glimpse into the rarely seen private residence of the King/Queen and family.

Lets hope casareal update the photos on the website as they are all well out of date.

Duke of Marmalade 01-27-2018 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by camelot23ca (Post 2068075)
The girls were both cute but Sofia was by far the most endearing of the family to me, probably because she seemed to be the most genuinely natural and unconcerned of the four. The others were obviously very aware of the cameras and acting for them.

We'll see how the dynamics will change, the 4 of them seem very close but with age the professional relationship will move to a trio (Kings & Leonor) and Leonor will start working very closely with her father and have a unique career that she cannot share with her sister. She'll have all the responsibility on her shoulders while Sofia might be working for the crown but at the same time will have to look for a normal life outside the SRF, since she will cease being a member of the royal family when her sister becomes Queen.

I am sure from now on we'll see more of Leonor, she certainly will be expected to attend the PoA in some capacity this year.

Duke of Marmalade 01-27-2018 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2068102)
It was a rare glimpse into the rarely seen private residence of the King/Queen and family.

Lets hope casareal update the photos on the website as they are all well out of date.

They are not only out of date (from 2012), there is no family picture at all. But since we got 16 pictures when Letizia turned 40, I am hopeful we get something when Felipe turns 50 :smile:

camelot23ca 01-27-2018 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 2068106)
We'll see how the dynamics will change, the 4 of them seem very close but with age the professional relationship will move to a trio (Kings & Leonor) and Leonor will start working very closely with her father and have a unique career that she cannot share with her sister. She'll have all the responsibility on her shoulders while Sofia might be working for the crown but at the same time will have to look for a normal life outside the SRF, since she will cease being a member of the royal family when her sister becomes Queen.

I am sure from now on we'll see more of Leonor, she certainly will be expected to attend the PoA in some capacity this year.

I’ve always thought Felipe and Letizia would have had at least three children had they not had unique pressures at the time of Leonor and especially Sofia’s birth. I think it might be an easier family dynamic when there’s more than one ‘spare’, as opposed to three members of the family who have their lives mapped out and one who needs to know from the start her life will be different. I also think, as much as he clearly loves his girls, that Felipe would have enjoyed having a son.

I don’t think any future Spanish government would object to limiting the working members of the royal family, so to me it would be best if Sofia was prepared for a fairly normal, albeit very privileged life, right from the start. Similar to what her aunts and cousins have now. That way she can fully devote herself to making the life that she wants in terms of studies, future career, where she wants to live, etc. And, at the risk of sounding like my grandmother, it would probably make dating and finding a good man to settle down with easier, too.

Mbruno 01-27-2018 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by camelot23ca (Post 2068150)
I’ve always thought Felipe and Letizia would have had at least three children had they not had unique pressures at the time of Leonor and especially Sofia’s birth. I think it might be an easier family dynamic when there’s more than one ‘spare’, as opposed to three members of the family who have their lives mapped out and one who needs to know from the start her life will be different. I also think, as much as he clearly loves his girls, that Felipe would have enjoyed having a son.

I don’t think any future Spanish government would object to limiting the working members of the royal family, so to me it would be best if Sofia was prepared for a fairly normal, albeit very privileged life, right from the start. Similar to what her aunts and cousins have now. That way she can fully devote herself to making the life that she wants in terms of studies, future career, where she wants to live, etc. And, at the risk of sounding like my grandmother, it would probably make dating and finding a good man to settle down with easier, too.

Felipe and his sisters broke the Spanish tradition of dynastic marriages, and I assume it won't come back unfortunately. Otherwise, Sofía could count on a marriage probably to another Catholic royal (from France, Italy, Austria, etc.). Personally, I've always thought of King Philippe's sons as good candidates to marry Leonor or Sofía, but, in this day and age, I know it is not going to happen.

julia garcia roch 01-27-2018 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2067946)
The last clip where the girls, if I understood it correctly, are listing the elements in the Periodic Table is quite odd. I mean, are we supposed to believe that, when they are alone with their parents in the car, they talk about Chemistry ?

Don’t be so cynical. Yes, my husband and I used to help our children review for test while driving them to school. Even during High School.

carina_a 01-27-2018 10:44 PM

The first hour of the documentary was quite boring. Yes I know they were about engagements and tours but still, it could have been better edited and narrated. Sometimes it was just silence/noises. If I weren't a royal watcher I wouldn't have a clue what activities those were.

The last part about the family was better. Compared to the very limited appearances of the children previously, it does give a bit of insight into the everyday life of the family. Sure some moments were very awkward, but it's better than nothing.

kathia_sophia 01-28-2018 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2068155)
Felipe and his sisters broke the Spanish tradition of dynastic marriages, and I assume it won't come back unfortunately. Otherwise, Sofía could count on a marriage probably to another Catholic royal (from France, Italy, Austria, etc.). Personally, I've always thought of King Philippe's sons as good candidates to marry Leonor or Sofía, but, in this day and age, I know it is not going to happen.

Why not? I understand that in this day and age, things like dynastic marriages seems unrealistic, because it's all about falling in love and not arranged marriages set by the parents. BUT, why can't royals fall in love with each other? It's not impossible to happen, who knows...Prince Guillaume and Stephanie married for love, for example.

And about chemistry...oh people c'mon! I still remember the times when I asked my mom if I could say out loud what I studied for an exam, and I kept doing so even on my bachelors.

lula 01-28-2018 04:07 AM

Carina, it's not a documentary. They give some images to the press, without editing, the images are delivered to televisions, newspapers, magazines and digital media and everyone can edit their own video.

carina_a 01-28-2018 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lula (Post 2068256)
Carina, it's not a documentary. They give some images to the press, without editing, the images are delivered to televisions, newspapers, magazines and digital media and everyone can edit their own video.

Interesting. That's new information to me.

wartenberg7 01-28-2018 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kathia_sophia (Post 2068229)
Why not? I understand that in this day and age, things like dynastic marriages seems unrealistic, because it's all about falling in love and not arranged marriages set by the parents. BUT, why can't royals fall in love with each other? It's not impossible to happen, who knows...Prince Guillaume and Stephanie married for love, for example


Stephanie wasn´t royal before her wedding, but a noble from the aristocrady(the same goes for the current Queen of the Belgians. And in Britain Lady Elizabeth Bowes Lyon, later the Queen Mother, was seen even as a commoner before she got married even though her father was the Earl of Strathmore)

An Ard Ri 01-28-2018 10:00 AM

Can we get back on topic which is King Felipes 50th and not future dynastic marriages.

lula 01-28-2018 10:42 AM

Informe Semanal - King Felipe, 50 years

Informe Semanal - Rey Felipe, 50 años - RTVE.es

Duke of Marmalade 01-28-2018 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by camelot23ca (Post 2068150)
I’ve always thought Felipe and Letizia would have had at least three children had they not had unique pressures at the time of Leonor and especially Sofia’s birth. I think it might be an easier family dynamic when there’s more than one ‘spare’, as opposed to three members of the family who have their lives mapped out and one who needs to know from the start her life will be different. I also think, as much as he clearly loves his girls, that Felipe would have enjoyed having a son.

I don’t think any future Spanish government would object to limiting the working members of the royal family, so to me it would be best if Sofia was prepared for a fairly normal, albeit very privileged life, right from the start. Similar to what her aunts and cousins have now. That way she can fully devote herself to making the life that she wants in terms of studies, future career, where she wants to live, etc. And, at the risk of sounding like my grandmother, it would probably make dating and finding a good man to settle down with easier, too.

Sofia might be needed until her sister marries to be able to do the work, because it will only be the 4 of them (the old Kings are likely to either have passed or being unable to work within the next decade).

I agree on the family planning, its a shame, I remember Felipe said in the engagement interview that he wanted more than three and less than five children but unfortunately Letizia had difficult pregnancies and had to deal with dynastic pressure, favouring a boy.

Sofia will be free to do what she wants but she remains the daughter of the King/sister of the Queen with a lot of public interest, being torn between 2 worlds.

lucien 01-28-2018 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2068338)
Can we get back on topic which is King Felipes 50th and not future dynastic marriages.

Si,quero mucho!!!:flowers:

I absolutely totally agree with you.
But fafafa-ing away seems the rigeur...unfortunately..

Feliz cumpleanos Majestad!:spainstandard:

An Ard Ri 01-29-2018 07:40 AM

Here are a few extra photos from the video!


PPE Agency

Duke of Marmalade 01-29-2018 08:16 AM

Thanks, its the full set, casa real gave 77 pictures to the press.

An Ard Ri 01-29-2018 08:19 AM

We might get another family photo tomorrow seeing as its the Kings birthday,probably a small family gathering at Zarzuela like for King Juan Carlos 80th?

Duke of Marmalade 01-29-2018 08:31 AM

;) We got 16 pictures when Letizia turned 40, hopefully we get one when Felipe turns 50

An Ard Ri 01-29-2018 08:49 AM

I love this photo of the King and his mother from January 6th.

https://www.hola.com/imagenes/realez..._Militar-z.jpg

lula 01-29-2018 10:05 AM

Full photo gallery on the Royal House website

Casa de Su Majestad el Rey de España - Archivo Multimedia - Fotografías con motivo del 50 Aniversario de Su Majestad el Rey

lula 01-29-2018 04:43 PM

Felipe VI celebrates his 50th birthday on Tuesday by imposing the Golden Fleece on the Princess of Asturias

Felipe VI celebra este martes su 50 cumpleaños imponiendo el Toisón de Oro a la Princesa de Asturias

The event will be held tomorrow at 12 in the Hall of Columns of the Royal Palace of Madrid. The king will decorate the princess with the miniature of the Fleece, and make a speech, Leonor is not expected to speak.

Around 80 guests will attend the event, the Royal Family, high authorities of the State, representatives of the Royal Academies, Spaniards decorated with the Golden Fleece and a group of children between 11 and 14 years old, who have been winners of the contest 'What is a King for you? ' and that they come from all the Spanish Autonomous Communities.

ANNIE_S 01-29-2018 05:09 PM

So Leonor will receive the collar that belonged to the late Count of Barcelona, her great grandfather. That's very nice.

The children of Leonor's age is also a very nice too, and the fact that they come from all around Spain is too. They will make the event more child-friendly, I guess.

Mbruno 01-29-2018 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lula (Post 2068673)
Felipe VI celebrates his 50th birthday on Tuesday by imposing the Golden Fleece on the Princess of Asturias

Felipe VI celebra este martes su 50 cumpleaños imponiendo el Toisón de Oro a la Princesa de Asturias

The event will be held tomorrow at 12 in the Hall of Columns of the Royal Palace of Madrid. The king will decorate the princess with the miniature of the Fleece, and make a speech, Leonor is not expected to speak.

Around 80 guests will attend the event, the Royal Family, high authorities of the State, representatives of the Royal Academies, Spaniards decorated with the Golden Fleece and a group of children between 11 and 14 years old, who have been winners of the contest 'What is a King for you? ' and that they come from all the Spanish Autonomous Communities.

Duc et Pair was right then. Princess Leonor won't be wearing the actual collar (which is quite heavy, I suppose), but rather will be decorated with a miniature, which I assume will probably be attached to a ribbon bow as usual for the ladies. Can anyone confirm that information ?

ANNIE_S 01-29-2018 05:28 PM

That's what the article says. And it's also the usual procedure, since it was done that way too when Sarkozy received it:

https://img.aws.la-croix.com/2012/01..._0_730_370.jpg

Charlotte_Aster 01-30-2018 04:18 AM

According to the schedule of TVE a live broadcast will start at 11:55 (CET)
La 1 de TVE en directo - RTVE.es

ANNIE_S 01-30-2018 06:58 AM

The collar and small bow awaiting in the Hall of Columns of the Royal Palace:
https://twitter.com/MonarquiaEspana/...html%23p330945

Live now on TVE!

The infantas Elena and Margarita in the front row. I didn't see Pilar, I guess she's there too. Queen Letizia's parents are there too.

Leonor has bowed to her parents!! She's the most beautiful thing!

Mbruno 01-30-2018 07:07 AM

I am glad to see HRH Infanta Elena in the audience, dispelling any rumors of rifts in the family.

Also, it is good to see King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia at official events again.

Charlotte_Aster 01-30-2018 07:09 AM

Princess Leonor receives the Collar that belonged to her great-grandfather, the Count of Barcelona.

Both grandparents (Kings Emeritus) and Letizia looks really proud.

Mbruno 01-30-2018 07:14 AM

How lovely ! Young Leonor curtsied to her father after receiving the miniature of the Golden Fleece attached to a dame's ribbon bow. Queen Letizia really looks proud .

The King's speech was correct. Personally, I think Leonor is still too young for ceremonies like that, but the King struck the right note emphasizing how Leonor could always count on her family (her mother, father, sister and grandparents) to support her in the great responsibilities that will be demanded from her. It was actually a very emotional speech by the King, but, at the same time, very clear about the role and duties of the Crown.

ANNIE_S 01-30-2018 07:21 AM

The wink between Juan Carlos and Leonor when Felipe has mentioned him! This is the best event they have ever made! :wub: And the King's speech to his daughter is wonderful. Leonor looks like she's taking it very seriously.

The big moment:
https://twitter.com/A3Noticias/statu...t4475-204.html

JR76 01-30-2018 07:31 AM

A deep curtsey and kisses for her parents & grandparents by Leonor after receiving the bow of the Order of the Golden Fleece https://twitter.com/el_pais/status/958297504142974976

lula 01-30-2018 07:38 AM

Photos

La princesa Leonor recibe el Toisón de Oro: las fotos de la ceremonia

https://www.elconfidencial.com/multi...-oro_1513944#0

https://www.elimparcial.es/album/105...-a-leonor.html

https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/01/30...rno_rsoc=TW_CC

En imágenes: el Rey impone el Collar de la Insigne Orden del Toisón de Oro a la Princesa

https://josepgegundez.photoshelter.c...00068aKG.mLQJ0

Muhler 01-30-2018 08:19 AM

That's a sweet moment between father and daughter.
And like most dads in such a situation he looks like he's close to bursting with pride.
It's good to see that King Felipe may be king, but he is also very much a dad.

ANNIE_S 01-30-2018 08:28 AM

Infanta Sofia also proudly clapping:
https://www.abc.es/media/MM/2018/01/3...98x900@abc.jpg

With the kids from all over Spain that were invited to the ceremony. I'm loving all of this! :clap:
https://ep00.epimg.net/elpais/imagene...bum_normal.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTfNJ6vIFfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8iYXuGh1Y

W.Y.CII 01-30-2018 09:02 AM

Awww that's so sweet :in_love:. Felipe looks very proud (actually everyone looks very proud!). I love how Felipe and Sofia touch her face after the hug. Leonor knows how to curtsy beautifully and elegantly :flowers:.

lula 01-30-2018 09:09 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-94ZTsM0KQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_iIcFyJbOk

camelot23ca 01-30-2018 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2068823)
That's a sweet moment between father and daughter.
And like most dads in such a situation he looks like he's close to bursting with pride.
It's good to see that King Felipe may be king, but he is also very much a dad.

I thought it was a sweet moment between Felipe and Leonor.

The ceremony was nice overall, (of only all official ceremonies were so mercifully brief), although I think if they were going to make Leonor the protagonist of such a high profile event it would have been appropriate for her to say a few words of thanks at the end.

I didn’t see Pilar or Elena’s children seated with the family.. I assume they weren’t there?

I looked at some pictures of the event on various sites and then had a look at the comments - cloying adoration from one faction, absolute savagery from another and a lot of people asking how much this girl is costing them. I don’t envy an adolescent girl growing up with all that in the background, none of it seems healthy, but OTOH I think the royal house now realizes the girls are part of the show, whether they like it or not.

ANNIE_S 01-30-2018 09:19 AM

Absolute NOPE to Leonor making a speech, even a little one, today. Her first official words NEED to be in Asturias, possibly at the awards ceremony. That is absolutely set in stone for me. I hope it won't take long now.

Mbruno 01-30-2018 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by camelot23ca (Post 2068854)
I thought it was a sweet moment between Felipe and Leonor.

The ceremony was nice overall, (of only all official ceremonies were so mercifully brief), although I think if they were going to make Leonor the protagonist of such a high profile event it would have been appropriate for her to say a few words of thanks at the end.

I didn’t see Pilar or Elena’s children seated with the family.. I assume they weren’t there?

I looked at some pictures of the event on various sites and then had a look at the comments - cloying adoration from one faction, absolute savagery from another and a lot of people asking how much this girl is costing them. I don’t envy an adolescent girl growing up with all that in the background, none of it seems healthy, but OTOH I think the royal house now realizes the girls are part of the show, whether they like it or not.

If you listen carefully to the King's speech, it is a very heavy burden on a 12-year-old girl as he was basically saying she will have to devote her life to Spain and the Spanish people, always guide herself by the constitution, blah blah blah (not the exact words, but you get the picture). But, then, the King spoke as a father and said that Leonor could always count on her mother, on her sister, on her grandparents, and especially on him as her father to help her in the duties that are now hers. Interestingly, Felipe didn't mention Leonor's aunts or her cousins, but they are not part of the Royal House anymore.


On your second comment, girls have always been "part of the show" in the Spanish royal house. There were actually several Princesses of Asturias in their own right before Leonor. Spain is, however, the only major European kingdom that still retains male-preference primogeniture. If Letizia had had a son, he would be standing in Leonor's place to receive the Golden Fleece. Infanta Elena, who is JC's firstborn and was watching her brother from the audience today, is a testimony to that.

Muhler 01-30-2018 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ANNIE_S (Post 2068856)
Absolute NOPE to Leonor making a speech, even a little one, today. Her first official words NEED to be in Asturias, possibly at the awards ceremony. That is absolutely set in stone for me. I hope it won't take long now.

Because of her affiliation with Asturias?
Or for political reasons?
Or because it's tradition?

ANNIE_S 01-30-2018 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2068860)
Because of her affiliation with Asturias?
Or for political reasons?
Or because it's tradition?

A mixture of all. Felipe's first speech ever was at the awards, and the awards is the most significant event of the heir. When Leonor takes officially over the presidency of the awards, it will be, like with her father's times as heir, her most important occassion to speak up during the year, without the king's presence. For many years those awards built Felipe's image as heir, I think it's appropriate and grateful that Leonor's first official speech takes place there too. That would be where the "tradition" comes from.

But especially, the link of the Crown's heir to Asturias is very important and should be honoured as long as the monarchy lasts. Covadonga, the place were Felipe was proclaimed Prince of Asturias (IDK if it'll be the same for Leo) is the symbolic birth place of the Spanish monarchy (a little History bit here ) Since the Middle Ages, the heir to the Crown of Castile first, and Spain afterwards, have been styled as Prince of Asturias and the region's affiliation to the monarchy is very tight.

camelot23ca 01-30-2018 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2068857)
If you listen carefully to the King's speech, it is a very heavy burden on a 12-year-old girl as he was basically saying she will have to devote her life to Spain and the Spanish people, always guide herself by the constitution, blah blah blah (not the exact words, but you get the picture). But, then, the King spoke as a father and said that Leonor could always count on her mother, on her sister, on her grandparents, and especially on him as her father to help her in the duties that are now hers. Interestingly, Felipe didn't mention Leonor's aunts or her cousins, but they are not part of the Royal House anymore.

It is a heavy burden and, as much love and support as I’m sure she’ll get from Felipe, Leonor is growing up in very different times and, not insignificantly, she’s female. Leonor will have the same official pressures as her father as well as the constant focus on how she looks, what she’s wearing, her weight, her body shape, etc. I think the fashion/clothes side of things is fair game, the other stuff not so much.

My impression is that Felipe was also VERY protected by his family, his social circle and especially the Spanish media. I think with the events in Catalonia over the past year the Spanish press has returned to that somewhat - something to rally around in difficult times, etc - but it’s never going back to the times when anything other than happy shiny news about the SRF was off limits, and once the girls hit 18 I think it will be a constant battle.

I wouldn’t have expected to see any of the Urdangarin children at the ceremony but I thought we might see at least some of the cousins from both sides of the family. Family members of her own generation can help each other in ways that even the most well meaning parent can’t. I continue to hope against hope that their parents’ animosity hasn’t completely destroyed the relationship between Leonor and Irene U - they’re almost exactly the same age, they both know about the media spotlight, they’re both going to face some challenges in the upcoming years. Each would be an ideal source of support for the other.

Regarding the girls being part of the show, I meant these two specific girls. Their parents have kept them protected, some would say isolated, as much as possible from the public eye until now. That attitude is becoming less and less feasible, especially with Leonor.

camelot23ca 01-30-2018 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ANNIE_S (Post 2068868)
A mixture of all. Felipe's first speech ever was at the awards, and the awards is the most significant event of the heir. When Leonor takes officially over the presidency of the awards, it will be, like with her father's times as heir, her most important occassion to speak up during the year, without the king's presence. For many years those awards built Felipe's image as heir, I think it's appropriate and grateful that Leonor's first official speech takes place there too. That would be where the "tradition" comes from.

But especially, the link of the Crown's heir to Asturias is very important and should be honoured as long as the monarchy lasts. Covadonga, the place were Felipe was proclaimed Prince of Asturias (IDK if it'll be the same for Leo) is the symbolic birth place of the Spanish monarchy (a little History bit here ) Since the Middle Ages, the heir to the Crown of Castile first, and Spain afterwards, have been styled as Prince of Asturias and the region's affiliation to the monarchy is very tight.

Leonor should have been taken to Asturias officially in some capacity long before now. But yes, after today’s very public and ornate event if she’s not at least at the awards this year, (and ideally she needs to speak), I think there will be a lot of people wanting answers..

Duke of Marmalade 01-30-2018 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by camelot23ca (Post 2068871)
It is a heavy burden and, as much love and support as I’m sure she’ll get from Felipe, Leonor is growing up in very different times and, not insignificantly, she’s female. Leonor will have the same official pressures as her father as well as the constant focus on how she looks, what she’s wearing, her weight, her body shape, etc. I think the fashion/clothes side of things is fair game, the other stuff not so much.

My impression is that Felipe was also VERY protected by his family, his social circle and especially the Spanish media. I think with the events in Catalonia over the past year the Spanish press has returned to that somewhat - something to rally around in difficult times, etc - but it’s never going back to the times when anything other than happy shiny news about the SRF was off limits, and once the girls hit 18 I think it will be a constant battle.

I agree, it will be worse for Leonor, in addition to the 'how is she looking', since her job makes her Head of the Armed Forces meaning she'll have attend some serious military training/attend military school to be taken seriously, to this very day dominated by men and very sexist. Then, in addition to the job, it is expected of her to find a husband willing to play second fiddle and have children, usually the consort's job. Of course, QE II, Margrethe or Beatrix have done it before, but even in those in-awe-of-royal times with a tame press it came at great cost.

Leonor has her life mapped out in front of her, an advantage and disadvantage at the same time, while her sister will be in a kind of limbo and fair game to the press from the age of 18. Sofia is free to do what she wants but will always have to deal with being royal and private at the same time. Whoever will be associated with her, will be caught in the limelight.

I think it was a very nice and dignified ceremony, Leonor will need all the help she can get.

lula 01-30-2018 10:30 AM

King Felipe of Spain Delivers Collar of The Distinguished 'Toison de Oro' To Princess Leonor

King Felipe of Spain Delivers Collar of The Distinguished 'Toison de Oro' To Princess Leonor - Zimbio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B82m9Io8Zs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwbfLH4A2sc


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