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Koningin 02-22-2017 11:13 AM

Dutch State Visit to Italy and Vatican City: June 20-23, 2017
 
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TM King and Queen will pay a state visit to Italy and Vatican City. The visits will take place from 20 to June 23, 2017. The Royal Couple will visit Rome, Milan and Palermo.

duke of poliganc 02-22-2017 11:33 AM

i want to see queen maxima in a tiara and a mantel so bad

QEII
QEII
QEQM and princess margaret
Queen Fabiola
Princess Grace
Queen Silvia
Princess Benedikte

Tilia C. 02-22-2017 12:51 PM

Are they still doing tiaras at the Vatican? When was the last time a Royal with her tiara was seen there?

At the last Swedish SV to Italy in 2009 Queen Silvia wore even two tiaras: the nine prongs at the State Banquet and the ruby tiara at the return banquet. Of course, that was before the crisis.

Mbruno 02-22-2017 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duke of poliganc (Post 1963210)
i want to see queen maxima in a tiara and a mantel so bad

QEII
QEII
QEQM and princess margaret
Queen Fabiola
Princess Grace
Queen Silvia
Princess Benedikte


I doubt it's going to happen under Pope Francis.

Marika86 06-12-2017 01:53 PM

The official program of the State Visit to Rome, Palermo and Milan:

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State Visit to Italy
release | 08-06-2017 | 10:45

His Majesty King Willem-Alexander and Her Majesty Queen Máxima put at the invitation of President of the Republic Sergio Mattarella Italy from June 20 to June 23 with a state visit to Italy . Besides Rome will also Palermo in the south and Milan are visited in the north. The King and Queen will be accompanied by Minister Bert Koenders of Foreign Affairs. The Royal Couple also brings a state visit to the Holy See in Vatican City on Thursday, June 22 .

The state visit marks the Dutch-Italian relationship based on a shared history and strong interdependence, as founding members of the European Union and active partners in NATO and the UN. In addition, the Netherlands and Italy currently share a seat on the UN Security Council, Italy this year and confirms Netherlands in 2018. The state visit to Italy and deepened the political, economic and cultural ties between the two countries.

Lilianne Ploumen Minister for Foreign Trade and Development simultaneously leading a broad economic mission to Italy. The mission consists of entrepreneurs from the agrifood sector and horticulture, water management and creative industries, with emphasis on quality products, water treatment, textile and fashion and cultural heritage.



Tuesday, June 20
The state visit begins in Rome, where President Sergio Mattarella receives the Royal Couple with a welcome ceremony at the Quirinal Palace.
Then the King and Queen have a meeting with the chairman of the Senate Pietro Grasso, and a lunch meeting with Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni.

In the Altare della Patria, the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, put King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima a wreath.

The Royal Couple met with the president of the Chamber of Deputies Laura Boldrini. Then they talk to the mayor Roman Virginia Raggi.

In the evening President Mattarella offers a state banquet at the Palazzo del Quirinale, where the two heads of state hold a speech.


Wednesday, June 21
In the Sicilian capital Palermo live King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima at the headquarters of the police briefing on judicial and police cooperation between the Netherlands and Italy in the field of combating human trafficking. The approach focuses on criminal organizations carrying migrants from North Africa across the Mediterranean to Europe and uses experience from the fight against the Mafia.

In Molti Volti, a center for culture, entrepreneurship and meet, talk Koning Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima with administrators, counselors and volunteers who make their work relates to the reception of migrants and migrants themselves.

Minister Koenders and his Italian counterpart Minister Alfano living in the University of Palermo in a role of the UN Security Council with Italian and Dutch students.

Mayor Leoluca Orlando receives the Royal Couple in the historic center of Palermo. The King and Queen also visit Palazzo Reale, the seat of the Sicilian parliament. Here they visited include the Cappella Palatina, the former private chapel of the kings of Sicily. It dates from 1130-40 and is considered the finest example of Arab-Norman art in Palermo.

The Royal Couple is also still at a monument to the murdered mafia magistrates, Giovanni Falcone and Paolo Borsellino, in Piazza della Memoria in front of the Courthouse.

To conclude the visit to Palermo takes a lunch place with the mayor.

In the evening, back in Rome, offering the King and Queen to President Mattarella Italian authorities and a tour desk, in gratitude for the hospitality during the state visit. Violinist Janine Jansen performs these contraprestatie in the Palazzo Colonna.
After the concert, the royal couple takes leave of President Mattarella.


Thursday June 22
(Thursday morning found the state visit to the Holy place)
in the afternoon will receive the Dutch Community place at the residence of the Dutch ambassador in Rome, which makes the Royal Couple knowledge with Dutch living and working in Italy.

Then leave the King and Queen to Milan, where particular attention to parts of the economic mission. Italy, the Netherlands, the fifth export market worldwide.

Milan Mayor Giuseppe Sala welcomed the Royal Couple in the Museo Cenacolo Vinciano, the mural "The Last Supper" by Leonardo da Vinci.

King Willem-Alexander and Queen Maxima visit with members of the mission agrifood culinary concept store Eataly. They get a tour and see a show cooking class of Dutch and Italian chef cook who works with domestic products.

In the evening the Royal Couple visit a football clinic for young players from the region. The event works the KNVB, the Italian Football Federation and former Dutch top players at Italian clubs together. Clarence Seedorf receives the King and Queen at the clinic, which takes place next to the cathedral.

Concluding live King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima at the Trade Dinner. All members of the parallel economic mission are present, with their Italian network.


Friday, June 23
In the morning the King and Queen visit the gallery Rossana Orlandi, an Italian talent scout with an eye for Dutch design. She has several Dutch and international designers who have studied in the Netherlands, brought to Milan. They speak with young upcoming designers and renowned Dutch designer Piet Hein Eek.

The royal couple lives in the leading design museum La Triennale parts of the economic mission at. The delegation Cultural Heritage introduced applications for digitization include museums and archaeological sites.
The King and Queen talk about the historical, current and future cooperation between the Netherlands and Italy in the field of innovative water management, such as port development and interregional cooperation.
Finally, the couple visits the exhibition ' Global Denim Awards " , with innovative and sustainable creations by Dutch designers in collaboration with Italian weavers.


RVD, no. 138

The official program of the State Visit to the Vatican City:

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State Visit to Vatican
release | 08-06-2017 | 10:45

His Majesty King Willem-Alexander and Her Majesty Queen Máxima bring the invitation of His Holiness Paus Franciscus a state visit to the Holy See in Vatican City The visit will take place on Thursday, June 22, 2017.

The King and Queen are when they visit accompanied by Minister Bert Koenders of Foreign Affairs. Liliane Ploumen also Minister for Foreign Trade and Development was present during the visit. From Tuesday, June 20th through Friday, June 23 bring the King and Queen also a state visit to the Republic of Italy .

The state visit to Vatican underlines the bilateral or multilateral links between the Netherlands and the Vatican. Paus Franciscus represents 1.2 billion followers of the Catholic Church. The church is embedded in the local civil society worldwide. The Holy See can make a diplomatic effort from that position at international societal challenges such as conflicts, climate change, poverty and migration.

Program
The morning brings the Royal Couple first visited the Frisians Church. This from 1140 stemming church stands on the site as early as the 8th century together pilgrims from the lowlands came. The King and Queen received by the rector, Bishop Hurkmans, commanding a Dutch weekly wrong here. The church is a symbol of ancient history between the Netherlands and the Holy See and is an introduction to the visit of Paus Franciscus.

The state visit to the Vatican then officially starts with an audience with Paus Franciscus. Upon arrival up the Swiss Guard, and the King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima have a conversation with the church leader in the Papal leave. Then the King and Queen have a conversation with the Vatican government, Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin.

Afterwards the King in the Biblioteca Apostolica handed a staff commander attributed to Willem van Oranje. The Catholic Spaniards won the chief executive after their victory over Protestant Dutch rebels at the battle on the Mookerheide (1574). This baton is on loan from the Catalan Jesuit convent of Sant Cugat and contributes William of Orange weapon. From April to October 2018 can visit the staff at the National Military Museum in Soesterberg, during an exhibition on Willem van Oranje.

RVD, no. 139

Duc_et_Pair 06-13-2017 02:05 AM

So it is a real State Visit to the Holy See. Under Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI this would have seen everything in full splendor: the Pope himswelf wearing choir dress topped with a red or white mozzetta, the guests in white tie and long dress with diadem.

The current Pope however seems not to attach a lot to ceremonial and protocol. State Visit? Official Visit? Private audience? He just wears his daily soutane and the protocol for guests is free for interpretation. So I have no any expectation of seeing King Willem-Alexander in white tie and Queen Máxima in long dress with diadem.

Pope John Paul II hosts a State Visit

Pope Benedict XVI hosts a State Visit

Countessmeout 06-13-2017 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tilia C. (Post 1963226)
Are they still doing tiaras at the Vatican? When was the last time a Royal with her tiara was seen there?

At the last Swedish SV to Italy in 2009 Queen Silvia wore even two tiaras: the nine prongs at the State Banquet and the ruby tiara at the return banquet. Of course, that was before the crisis.

Queen Silvia in 1991 seems last. And other then Elizabeth in 1980, seems to have gone out of fashion to do so back in the 1960s.

Koningin 06-20-2017 04:42 AM

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Attachment 300538 First photo

eya 06-20-2017 06:27 AM

First Galleries

https://www.rexfeatures.com/set/8873313

Belga Image

https://twitter.com/jerschmale/statu...35247330492416

Video the Kings greeting the Prince Jaime with Princess Victoria

The Kings arrived at Palermo

Belga Image

iceflower 06-20-2017 07:07 AM

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What a beautiful start of the state visit!


Here are some more pics of day 1 today, June 20:


** robinutrecht.photoshelter gallery **


** rd.nl gallery ** gettyimages gallery **


** dpp gallery: King Willem-Alexander and Queen Maxima visit Italy day 1 **


** dailymail: Roman (working) holiday! Italy rolls out the red carpet for Queen Maxima and King Willem-Alexander as the Dutch royals touch down ..**

An Ard Ri 06-20-2017 07:22 AM

Some additional photos from the Ceremonial Welcome at the Palazzo del Quirinale.

PPE Agency

Marika86 06-20-2017 07:40 AM

A video from quirinale.it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqhqjaMYn30

The photogallery from quirinale.it

https://www.quirinale.it/elementi/Con...Foto&key=14421

AdmirerUS 06-20-2017 07:46 AM

This pic: https://previews.rexfeatures.com/pre...e633924dc508d0.

I try to not compare royals, but this so reminded me of one of the more famous "Di looking sad, bored" photos. Max is still beautiful in this! And I'm NOT saying she is either sad or bored - but has definitely been caught in a moment.

Mbruno 06-20-2017 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1993599)
So it is a real State Visit to the Holy See. Under Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI this would have seen everything in full splendor: the Pope himswelf wearing choir dress topped with a red or white mozzetta, the guests in white tie and long dress with diadem.

The current Pope however seems not to attach a lot to ceremonial and protocol. State Visit? Official Visit? Private audience? He just wears his daily soutane and the protocol for guests is free for interpretation. So I have no any expectation of seeing King Willem-Alexander in white tie and Queen Máxima in long dress with diadem.

Pope John Paul II hosts a State Visit

Pope Benedict XVI hosts a State Visit


Maybe Máxima will surprise us and show up at the Vatican with a tiara while Willem-Alexander will be in white tie. After all, as you said, it is an actual state visit.

malluu 06-20-2017 03:39 PM

Queen Maxima looked stunning tonight at the state banquet wearing Queen Emma's ruby parure and red Jan Taminiau gown.

https://twitter.com/Patrickvkatwijk/...43362432229376

Mbruno 06-20-2017 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by malluu (Post 1995390)
Queen Maxima looked stunning tonight at the state banquet wearing Queen Emma's ruby parure and red Jan Taminiau gown.

https://twitter.com/Patrickvkatwijk/...43362432229376

I think it is safe to say it is becoming her favorite tiara/ parure along with Queen Emma's sapphires. It is unfortunate though that she doesn't wear the smaller Orange-Nassau pieces more often, e.g.. the emerald or the aquamarine tiaras, which would be perfect for black tie dinners in state visits to a republic like Italy.

malluu 06-20-2017 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1993599)
So it is a real State Visit to the Holy See. Under Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI this would have seen everything in full splendor: the Pope himswelf wearing choir dress topped with a red or white mozzetta, the guests in white tie and long dress with diadem.

Tiaras were long gone even before Pope Benedict XVI. Like Countessmeout said, the last person to wear a tiara at the Vatican was Queen Silvia in 1991 and Benedict didn't become pope until 2005.

Here's a photo series of all the photographed instances of royal ladies wearing tiaras at the Vatican. I think it might be of some interest to us here.
Tiara Mania - Vatican Tiaras

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Originally Posted by eya (Post 1995394)
https://twitter.com/jerschmale/statu...35247330492416

Video the Kings greeting the Prince Jaime with Princess Victoria

Which tiara is she wearing? I can't tell, maybe the base of the Antique Pearl Tiara?

carlota 06-20-2017 04:09 PM

maxima looked great in her daytime outfit. she just never disappoints at looking queenly! she had her perfect state visit style on check today too...

i love the pictures of her taking pictures of the ruins with her phone - it just shows how we all like snapping a perfect picture when being tourists, even the queen herself! :)

looking forward to more pictures of the gala.

QueenMaximaftw 06-20-2017 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by malluu (Post 1995399)
Which tiara is she wearing? I can't tell, maybe the base of the Antique Pearl Tiara?

It looks like the base from the Antique Pearl Tiara. The same that Queen Maxima wore in 2001, before she became crown princess!

suztav 06-20-2017 04:32 PM

Maxima looks fabulous tonight. Am I mistaken or haven't we seen that gown before? The one shoulder looks familiar.

malluu 06-20-2017 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by suztav (Post 1995411)
Maxima looks fabulous tonight. Am I mistaken or haven't we seen that gown before? The one shoulder looks familiar.

She wore it to King Willem-Alexander's birthday celebrations in April but we didn't get a very good view of it then.

Tilia C. 06-20-2017 04:46 PM

Maxima looks her usual stunning self! That was a real hit, imo. I love the gown, the jewels are great with it. Only: I prefer the ruby peacock tiara. But I won't be too picky today.

And I'm dying to see a better pic of Princess Victoria. What a treat to sea her in a tiara as well.

malluu 06-20-2017 05:44 PM

Robin Utrecht has a gallery of his pictures from the state banquet. It includes some good shots of Princess Viktoira.

Royal by Robin - Staatsbanket Italie

Countessmeout 06-21-2017 12:56 AM

Maxima looks wonderful in the Mellerio ruby tiara. One if her best :flowers:

Nice to see viktoria and Jamie. Viktoria looks lovely. :smile:

Daily fail needs to fire their editor. Or hire fact checker. I love the captioned photos, saying the royal couple with the president and his wife :bang: Simple fact check would tell you Sergio has been a widower since 2012. His daughter Laura has been acting first lady and often accompanies him abroad. He has two sons as well.

iceflower 06-21-2017 01:16 AM

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Here are two more extra galleries of yesterday's gala dinner:


** ppe gallery 1 ** ppe gallery 2 **

Rossina 06-21-2017 04:12 AM

Maxima looks wonderful. I love her gala dinner dress & tiara.
Viktoria also looks great:smile:

iceflower 06-21-2017 04:25 AM

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It'll surely be a great day on wonderful Sicily!


** rd.nl gallery: Koningspaar begint bezoek Palermo **


** ppe gallery ** robinutrecht.photoshelter gallery **

Lee-Z 06-21-2017 01:06 PM

Dutch P.Christina (youngest sister of former Q.Beatrix) will attend tonight's concert
Prinses Christina bij concert staatsbezoek|Prive| Telegraaf.nl

google translated

Marengo 06-21-2017 02:05 PM

That is nice. I believe she spends a lot of her time in Italy, in/ close to Porto Ercole where her parents used to own a house. Her daughter Juliana supposedly also lives (or lived?) in Italy (Tuscany as well). Juliana and Bernhards's old villa L'Elefante Felice was sold to Belgian billionaire who had it demolished. And considering Princess Christina is the patron of a music concours which bears her name, it is fitting she attends the concert of violinist Janine Jansen at the Palazzo Colonna tonight.

ashelen 06-21-2017 03:43 PM

I think this photos are from tonight:
RUT_0769.jpg | Robin Utrecht | Photoshelter
RUT_064562.jpg | Robin Utrecht | Photoshelter
RUT_0680.jpg | Robin Utrecht | Photoshelter

Renatus 06-21-2017 03:51 PM

I'm glad to have them as a king and queen. Beatrix was great and these two move forward smoothly.

iceflower 06-21-2017 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ashelen (Post 1995750)

They are!

Here are two extra galleries of the evening event:


** robinutrecht.photoshelter gallery ** ppe gallery **

Marengo 06-21-2017 04:04 PM

Pricness Christina has a sassy walking stick ;).

Poor Mr. Valentino must have been horrified to see this altered version of his great dress but nice that he attended tonight's event as well. It seems that he came with the prince and princess of Colonna but I am not sure if the caption is correct. IIRC Princess/Queen Juliana was befriended members of the family but I may be mixing them up with the Corsini's.

Janine Jansen looks gracious as ever.

ashelen 06-21-2017 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 1995759)
Pricness Christina has a sassy walking stick ;).

Poor Mr. Valentino must have been horrified to see this altered version of his great dress but nice that he attended tonight's event as well. It seems that he came with the prince and princess of Colonna but I am not sure if the caption is correct. IIRC Princess/Queen Juliana was befriended members of the family but I may be mixing them up with the Corsini's.

Janine Jansen looks gracious as ever.

how was the original verson?

suztav 06-21-2017 04:34 PM

The top of Maxima's gown reminds me of what she wore to Frederick and Mary's wedding. The bottom looks different.

QueenMaximaftw 06-21-2017 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by suztav (Post 1995767)
The top of Maxima's gown reminds me of what she wore to Frederick and Mary's wedding. The bottom looks different.

It actually is the same dress as the one she wore to the wedding. Only she added lace to the bottom of the dress after the wedding!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashelen (Post 1995766)
how was the original verson?

It was the dress she wore to prince Frederik and princess Mary's wedding. But she added lace after that wedding.

suztav 06-21-2017 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by QueenMaximaftw (Post 1995773)
It actually is the same dress as the one she wore to the wedding. Only she added lace to the bottom of the dress after the wedding!

Thank you!

carlota 06-21-2017 08:04 PM

nice to see maxima recycling an old wedding guest dress from all the way back in 2004! i always like seeing old pieces reappearing with a few tweaks here and there to suit the new times.

Al_bina 06-21-2017 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by iceflower (Post 1995532)
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Here are two more extra galleries of yesterday's gala dinner:


** ppe gallery 1 ** ppe gallery 2 **

Although I am not keen on such gowns, I have to say that Queen Maxima looked ravissant.

eya 06-22-2017 05:07 AM

The Royal Couple meeting today with Pope Francis in Vatican


Belga Image

https://www.rexfeatures.com/set/8875466

https://www.belgaimage.be/#/gallery/5859742

Marengo 06-22-2017 05:34 AM

No tiara and no orders sadly, but that was to be expected. The queen wears a long dress and veil at least. The king just in his business suit.

An Ard Ri 06-22-2017 06:11 AM

The King and Queen at the Vatican with Pope Francis.

PPE Agency

maria-olivia 06-22-2017 06:38 AM

Marengo , that was in the past !
As officlal Visit the Queen of the Netherlands was in black , her sister in law who is catholic in black too because she is not a Catholic Head of State as Queens Mathilde and Letitzia and the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg.

But Queen Maxima looks great and I like her lace Veil.

iceflower 06-22-2017 06:45 AM

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More pics of day 3:


** ppe gallery 2 ** ppe gallery 3 ** ppe gallery 4 **


** gettyimages gallery **


** robinutrecht.photoshelter gallery **


** rd.nl gallery: Historisch koninklijk staatsbezoek aan paus **


** dailymail: Dutch Queen Maxima wears a traditional black lace mantilla to meet Pope Francis at the Vatican ..**

Duc_et_Pair 06-22-2017 11:07 AM

The King and Queen were not in gala with Orders et al, but it works both ways: the Pope himself did not dress up wearing choir dress and mozzeta for receiving State Visits as was the use for his predecessors.

I have never seen Francesco in official dress, aside Mass. He sticks to his daily white soutane, with black trousers and shoes under it. His idea of being a "poor Pope" sitting on the billions of the Holy See.

I was already expecting this: knowing this Pope, the dress code would be simple. Queen Máxima would have packed out if she could. Under Benedict XVI, a stickler to papal traditions, the King and Queen would have worn white tie and Orders, as they already did for the Investiture of the current Pope.

An Ard Ri 06-22-2017 02:50 PM

Here's a video of the Visit today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Q3s-a7xQc

ashelen 06-22-2017 05:50 PM

Is any Video of Maxima peaking with the Pope, Would like to know if they spoke inSpanish!

Mbruno 06-22-2017 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ashelen (Post 1996139)
Is any Video of Maxima peaking with the Pope, Would like to know if they spoke inSpanish!


I am pretty sure they did. I believe Máxima and her Argentinian family actually know Cardinal Bergoglio personally from his time back in Argentina, don't they ?

carlota 06-22-2017 07:04 PM

interesting to see maxima curtsying to the pope - she clearly knows her protocol as a catholic queen, even if her country isn't catholic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashelen (Post 1996139)
Is any Video of Maxima peaking with the Pope, Would like to know if they spoke inSpanish!

yes, maxima spoke in spanish with the pope, as you would expect. they have met the pope in the past and already spoke in spanish with him back then.

Moonmaiden23 06-22-2017 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 1996157)
I am pretty sure they did. I believe Máxima and her Argentinian family actually know Cardinal Bergoglio personally from his time back in Argentina, don't they ?

At the time of his election to the papacy I remember reading that Cardinal Bergoglio did indeed know the Zorriegueta familly.

iceflower 06-23-2017 04:37 AM

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Day 4 and with that the final day of the state visit today, June 23:



** robinutrecht.photoshelter gallery ** belga gallery **


** dpp gallery: King Willem-Alexander and Queen Maxima visit Italy day 4 **


** gettyimages gallery ** rd.nl gallery: „Handelsmissie bij staatsbezoek een succes” **


** dailymail: Hats off to Maxima! Queen of the Netherlands is resplendent in statement headwear as she visits a gallery **

An Ard Ri 06-23-2017 07:35 AM

The King and Queen also toured the beautiful Kerk van de Friezen or Dutch Church in Rome yesterday .

https://www.vorsten.nl/app/uploads/2...-1-768x512.jpg

Some photos from earlier today .

https://ppe-agency.com/show.php?start...6-2017%20Milan

Duc_et_Pair 06-23-2017 09:51 AM

Interesting detail of the State Visit: the King received a commander's bâton which belonged to William of Nassau, Prince of Orange (1533-1584). It was captured during the Battle of Mookerheide in 1574. Two brothers of the Prince died in that battle.

The commander's bâton was captured and held Don Luis de Requesens y Zúñiga, the Governor of the Low Countries for the King of Spain. It was held by the Requesens family until it became extinct, it was then given in depôt at a Jesuit monastery.

Dutch royals pick up 400-year-old family heirloom during Vatican visit | CatholicHerald.co.uk

A picture of the King with the more than 4 centuries old bâton.

William of Nassau, Prince of Orange with such a bâton: picture.

William II of Nassau, Prince of Orange (grandson of the previous) with such a bâton: picture.

Mbruno 06-23-2017 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1996306)
Interesting detail of the State Visit: the King received a commander's bâton which belonged to William of Nassau, Prince of Orange (1533-1584). It was captured during the Battle of Mookerheide in 1574. Two brothers of the Prince died in that battle.

The commander's bâton was captured and held Don Luis de Requesens y Zúñiga, the Governor of the Low Countries for the King of Spain. It was held by the Requesens family until it became extinct, it was then given in depôt at a Jesuit monastery.

Dutch royals pick up 400-year-old family heirloom during Vatican visit | CatholicHerald.co.uk

A picture of the King with the more than 4 centuries old bâton.

William of Nassau, Prince of Orange with such a bâton: picture.

William II of Nassau, Prince of Orange (grandson of the previous) with such a bâton: picture.


Was the bâton returned to the Dutch royal family or did the King just hold it during the visit ?

carlota 06-23-2017 10:56 AM

i loved maxima's fashion choices this time (she truly knows how to dress like a queen), with one exception: that summery dress in white with red and blue riveting. i am rather impartial to the queen wearing something which leaves her arms and shoulders so exposed on a public engagement. but... i understand that the engagement was outdoors and the weather was rather lovely and that she did indeed cover herself with a cardigan to enter the church.

Lee-Z 06-23-2017 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 1996327)
Was the bâton returned to the Dutch royal family or did the King just hold it during the visit ?

More info with regards to your question:
Koning ontvangt eeuwenoude bevelhebbersstaf|Binnenland| Telegraaf.nl

google translated

Duc_et_Pair 06-23-2017 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 1996327)
Was the bâton returned to the Dutch royal family or did the King just hold it during the visit ?

Knowing the "quality" of Google translations: it was a gift by the superior-general of the Jesuits to the King, who -on his turn- has given it in use to the National Military Museum in The Netherlands, to be exhibited to the public.

The Jesuits themselves received it from the Spanish National Archives which got lots of material from the Requesens family upon extinction. Because the Archives are specialized in documents and not artefacts, somehow this Commander's Bâton ended in a Spanish Jesuit monastery.


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