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Vicomte de Valjean 02-15-2017 05:09 PM

Question about Italian nobility
 
Hi, everyone! Does anyone happen to know what are the courtesy titles for the children of a marchese?

Vicomte de Valjean 02-15-2017 08:41 PM

Does anyone know? I believe that "Don" and "Donna" are technically reserved for the families of dukes and princes.

trebor 01-26-2018 04:12 PM

Italy is complicated, due to the various entities granting titles. Debrett's Correct Form, page 380 has a discussion. "Children of a noble without the styles of Don and Donna, and without a territorial title, are styled, e.g. Nobile Antonio dei Conti Selvatichelli, and with a territorial title "Nobile Antonio Sevatichelli dei Conti di Acquatorta (dei = of the family).
There's more.

monica17 08-28-2019 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicomte de Valjean (Post 1961563)
Hi, everyone! Does anyone happen to know what are the courtesy titles for the children of a marchese?

The male children also use "marchese". Not sure what title, if any, for the daughters.

Here is an example of Marchese Antonio Cavriani from Mantua, with his male children and descendants also titled the same and the female descendants are only listed with their given names.

Cavriani

Tatiana Maria 08-28-2019 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicomte de Valjean (Post 1961563)
Hi, everyone! Does anyone happen to know what are the courtesy titles for the children of a marchese?

It would be necessary to know the particular family.

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Originally Posted by trebor (Post 2067820)
Italy is complicated, due to the various entities granting titles. Debrett's Correct Form, page 380 has a discussion. "Children of a noble without the styles of Don and Donna, and without a territorial title, are styled, e.g. Nobile Antonio dei Conti Selvatichelli, and with a territorial title "Nobile Antonio Sevatichelli dei Conti di Acquatorta (dei = of the family).
There's more.

Indeed, and further complicated by the fact that in some families with titles inherited by male primogeniture, younger sons or even daughters who were strictly only entitled to be "dei Marchesi di ..." would use "Marchese" or "Marchesa", or lower titles, as a courtesy.

Today, of course, all titles are used only as a courtesy, as the nobility of Italy has been abolished.


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