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muriel 04-22-2020 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Countessmeout (Post 2294277)
Possibly.

Margaret owner three tiaras. As well as wearing the lotus and halo.

-Poltimore
-Snowden floral tiara
- Persian turquoise

The Poltimore we know was auctioned off. The floral was inherited by Sarah. The turquoise wasn’t in the auction so may be in a vault some where.

The "Snowden floral tiara" was just some brooches put on a frame, and dressed with ivy wreaths.

We know it was not sold, but do we have any confirmation that this "tiara" was indeed inherited by Sarah?

Pairs of the Realm 06-06-2020 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2309558)
The "Snowden floral tiara" was just some brooches put on a frame, and dressed with ivy wreaths.

We know it was not sold, but do we have any confirmation that this "tiara" was indeed inherited by Sarah?

Isn't it that Lady Sarah loaned portions of the Snowdon Floral tiara to her (half-)sister, Lady Frances, who wore it as a hairpin to her wedding?

https://pin.it/IfiyaH1

https://pin.it/3Cz7qIs

https://www.tiara-mania.com/2014/11/...ral-tiara.html

Pairs of the Realm 06-06-2020 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2309547)
According to The Queens Diamonds book published in 2012, the Teck circle necklace / tiara is in the possession of Lord Snowdon. Following his recent separation, it is unlikely that Lady Snowdon will attend Charles' coronation and it is entirely possible that Sarah wears the necklace as a tiara at the coronation.


What are the rules on who's invited or who's going to the coronation? Is it only peers and peeresses (suo jure and wives of peers)? Will it include sons and daughters of peers, and widowed ones (the dowagers)? Are divorced wives of peers who did not remarry be allowed? How about those from non-reigning nobility and royal houses?


Is it just me or could there be another Snowdon tiara waiting to be worn and the coronation? I have this feeling that had the 1st Earl of Snowdon (Tony Armstrong-Jones) be still alive, he wouldn't allow that his own family would not have a tiara of their own. It's possible he left designs of possible coronation tiaras that David would ask to create. Given they're a family of artists. Their heraldry symbol is the stag (Tony and David's signet rings have the stag design). Hypothetical thinking...the Snowdon Stag Tiara?

I'd love to see Serena to attend the coronation even if she won't be seated with David. She might sit with her stepmother, Anita, the Countess of Harrington, and father The Earl of Harrington, and/or with her stepmother-in-law, Lucy, the Dowager Countess of Snowdon.

What could Lady Margarita wear? Seems that Serena is not into jewelry despite her highly aristocratic background, and David could have sold everything hmmm. What if Margarita herself designs her jewels since she's dabbling into making jewelries (as per her Instagram portfolio).

Duc_et_Pair 06-06-2020 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairs of the Realm (Post 2318801)
What are the rules on who's invited or who's going to the coronation? Is it only peers and peeresses (suo jure and wives of peers)? Will it include sons and daughters of peers, and widowed ones (the dowagers)? Are divorced wives of peers who did not remarry be allowed? How about those from non-reigning nobility and royal houses?


Is it just me or could there be another Snowdon tiara waiting to be worn and the coronation? I have this feeling that had the 1st Earl of Snowdon (Tony Armstrong-Jones) be still alive, he wouldn't allow that his own family would not have a tiara of their own. It's possible he left designs of possible coronation tiaras that David would ask to create. Given they're a family of artists. Their heraldry symbol is the stag (Tony and David's signet rings have the stag design). Hypothetical thinking...the Snowdon Stag Tiara?

I'd love to see Serena to attend the coronation even if she won't be seated with David. She might sit with her stepmother, Anita, the Countess of Harrington, and father The Earl of Harrington, and/or with her stepmother-in-law, Lucy, the Dowager Countess of Snowdon.

What could Lady Margarita wear? Seems that Serena is not into jewelry despite her highly aristocratic background, and David could have sold everything hmmm. What if Margarita herself designs her jewels since she's dabbling into making jewelries (as per her Instagram portfolio).

When the dresscode allows grand jewels to be worn, any lady, royal, noble or not, can wear a diadem. It is a common misconception that only blue-blooded ladies can wear grand jewels. But look at a major part of the Queen's collection, which came from Mrs Greville's bequest. This Mrs Grenville was neither royal nor noble at all.

When you are invited for a white tie event at a royal court and you are lucky to have a cassette with grand jewels: wear it.

And for the Snowdons: the Earl and Countess are in separation/divorce. That probably means his sister Lady Sarah Chatto can wear a diadem indeed. But when do the Snowdons ever need a diadem? For coronations? They can borrow one from family or a jeweller.

Pairs of the Realm 06-06-2020 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 2318807)
When the dresscode allows grand jewels to be worn, any lady, royal, noble or not, can wear a diadem. It is a common misconception that only blue-blooded ladies can wear grand jewels. But look at a major part of the Queen's collection, which came from Mrs Greville's bequest. This Mrs Grenville was neither royal nor noble at all.

When you are invited for a white tie event at a royal court and you are lucky to have a cassette with grand jewels: wear it.

And for the Snowdons: the Earl and Countess are in separation/divorce. That probably means his sister Lady Sarah Chatto can wear a diadem indeed. But when do the Snowdons ever need a diadem? For coronations? They can borrow one from family or a jeweller.


Here’s to hoping that they still kept the Turquoise/Triumph of Love Tiara & Sapphire Bandeau. Sarah could wear her wedding tiara. Her half-sister Frances and stepmother Lucy may likely commission a jeweller to design one for them. Or if David has better ideas to design a new one and carve it, diamonds instead of wood. It would be interesting if Frances loans a tiara or a jewelry from her husband’s family. Her husband, Rodolphe von Hofmannsthal, is from an aristocratic family - his paternal grandmother is Lady Elizabeth Paget (1916-1980), one of the train bearers/maids of honour of Queen Elizabeth (the Queen Mother) at the 1937 coronation. Lady Elizabeth’s father is the 6th Marquess of Anglesey, Charles Paget, who served as Lord Chamberlain to Queen Mary. His wife is Lady Marjorie Manners, daughter of the 8th Duke of Rutland. (That makes Lady Elizabeth a niece of Lady Diana Cooper, one of the famed socialites of 20th century Britain) Lady Elizabeth’s husband is Raimund von Hofmannsthal, son of Austrian novelist Hugo von Hofmannsthal. They have “von” in their prefix as they are part of the Austrian nobility - Edler - roughly the equivalent of an esquire. Austria though does not recognize these titles anymore. In the current Anglesey Marquessate, the 8th Marquess is Rodolphe’s first cousin, once removed, and the family is known for having many daughters so there’s a chance their jewelry collection is not intact.

muriel 06-06-2020 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairs of the Realm (Post 2318821)
Here’s to hoping that they still kept the Turquoise/Triumph of Love Tiara & Sapphire Bandeau.

I so do hope the turquoise parure, like the Lotus Flower / Papyrus tiara, is safely back in the royal vault.

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Originally Posted by Pairs of the Realm (Post 2318821)
Her half-sister Frances and stepmother Lucy may likely commission a jeweller to design one for them.

I would be very surprised if Frances and Lucy were invited, they are hardly family to Charles.

Pairs of the Realm 06-06-2020 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2318823)
I so do hope the turquoise parure, like the Lotus Flower / Papyrus tiara, is safely back in the royal vault.



I would be very surprised if Frances and Lucy were invited, they are hardly family to Charles.

They may not be close to Charles, but like the rest of the peers, they’ll be relegated to the other seats, not necessarily the royal box. Although his stepdaughter Laura Lopes is a good friend of Frances and Rodolphe. Laura is an art gallery dealer like Rodolphe. She and Harry Lopes attended Frances’s wedding. (Hoping Laura wears the Cubitt Tiara for the coronation!) The Snowdons have a lot of friends and acquaintances from the major ranks of aristocracy despite their desire for a low-profile life. (I believe Frances met the Duchess of Cambridge at some of the National Portrait Gallery gala events.)

muriel 06-07-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairs of the Realm (Post 2318830)
They may not be close to Charles, but like the rest of the peers, they’ll be relegated to the other seats, not necessarily the royal box. Although his stepdaughter Laura Lopes is a good friend of Frances and Rodolphe. Laura is an art gallery dealer like Rodolphe. She and Harry Lopes attended Frances’s wedding. (Hoping Laura wears the Cubitt Tiara for the coronation!) The Snowdons have a lot of friends and acquaintances from the major ranks of aristocracy despite their desire for a low-profile life. (I believe Frances met the Duchess of Cambridge at some of the National Portrait Gallery gala events.)

I would be surprised if the step-mother and half-sister of the 2nd Earl Snowden would be invited to the coronation as a result of their family link to the Earl.

CyrilVladisla 07-31-2021 07:13 PM

Baroness Fermoy will wear the Fermoy Tiara.
https://www.royalwatcherblog.com/2019/07/06/fermoy-tiara

An Ard Ri 08-01-2021 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 2418742)
Baroness Fermoy will wear the Fermoy Tiara.
https://www.royalwatcherblog.com/2019/07/06/fermoy-tiara

The Fermoy tiara hasn't been seen in years lets hope its still in the family.


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