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Duc_et_Pair 02-05-2017 11:54 AM

The British themselves make a difference too. When Antony Armstrong-Jones died, in many media could be read that he was "the first real commoner in the royal family", while Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (Queen Elizabeth, the Queen-Mother) or Lady Alice Montagu-Douglas-Scott (Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester), etc. technically were commoners as well, but everyone will understand the subtle difference...

Rudolph 02-05-2017 12:11 PM

^^^ It's why the term is best avoided. Prince Harry is a 'commoner' under the old rules, but intuitively just doesn't make sense to many people.

Countessmeout 02-05-2017 01:13 PM

We're not talking legalities here.

Diana may not have a peerage but she was not a simple Miss. She was lady Dians, the daughter if an earl. It is expected a very old peered family would have a tiara and jewels. Just like the peerage doesn't belong to Diana, neither dud the tiara. It belonged to the countess spencer. It was simply loaned to her.

Camilla was just Miss Camilla Shand. Her parents didn't hold a peerage. No estate or huge jewelry trove.

Yes some brides bring tiaras, but they usually have their own aristocratic blood. Camilla has some minor far back, but not who the tiara comes from. So I stand by my, it's rare for a commoner bride to bring a tiara into a marriage.

COUNTESS 02-05-2017 07:31 PM

And I stand by mine, unless you know who purchased that tiara, it may have come from King Edward VII, himself. He showered Mrs. Keppel with lots of baubles. No where does it say she purchased it herself or her grandfather picked it up somewhere. Do you know its providence.

COUNTESS 02-05-2017 07:32 PM

provenance, sorry.

Osipi 02-05-2017 07:57 PM

As stated in the article, Sonia (pictured on the right in the photograph above) was married to the Hon. Roland Cubitt -- hence the name of this diamond floral tiara. Sonia was Alice Keppel's daughter.

Saturday Sparkler: The Cubitt Tiara | The Court Jeweller

Daenerys Targaryen 02-05-2017 07:59 PM

Yes, and rumored to be the King's daughter, which also might be where the tiara came from.

sthreats 02-05-2017 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Countessmeout (Post 1959143)
We're not talking legalities here.



Diana may not have a peerage but she was not a simple Miss. She was lady Dians, the daughter if an earl. It is expected a very old peered family would have a tiara and jewels. Just like the peerage doesn't belong to Diana, neither dud the tiara. It belonged to the countess spencer. It was simply loaned to her.



Camilla was just Miss Camilla Shand. Her parents didn't hold a peerage. No estate or huge jewelry trove.



Yes some brides bring tiaras, but they usually have their own aristocratic blood. Camilla has some minor far back, but not who the tiara comes from. So I stand by my, it's rare for a commoner bride to bring a tiara into a marriage.


How is Camilla's aristocratic blood far back. Her maternal grandfather was the Baron Ashcombe. The Cubitt family was very very rich so I'm sure they had tiaras and jewels

MARG 02-06-2017 04:33 AM

:previous: Diana and her sisters, daughters of an earl, did not rate their own tiaras. That's just the way it was and I am sure that when she wore one of the family tiara's at her wedding nobody in her family or the royal family could possibly have imagined how that Spencer tiara would come to personify all that was romance about Diana.

However, it must be noted that whilst Camilla has a tiara, she comes from old money but no family pile or title to maintain. "Camilla's" tiara, whilst it has provenance, is not necessarily hers. In point of fact, we don't know whether she owns it or borrows it from her family. We just know where it came from, not who owns it.

Osipi 02-06-2017 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARG (Post 1959280)
:previous: Diana and her sisters, daughters of an earl, did not rate their own tiaras. That's just the way it was and I am sure that when she wore one of the family tiara's at her wedding nobody in her family or the royal family could possibly have imagined how that Spencer tiara would come to personify all that was romance about Diana.

However, it must be noted that whilst Camilla has a tiara, she comes from old money but no family pile or title to maintain. "Camilla's" tiara, whilst it has provenance, is not necessarily hers. In point of fact, we don't know whether she owns it or borrows it from her family. We just know where it came from, not who owns it.

It was stated in the article posted that "Rosalind (Shand, Camilla's mother) died in 1994, and she left the tiara to her elder daughter, Camilla." I would take that to mean that Camilla owns that tiara and most likely will pass it on to her daughter, Laura, who also wore it on her wedding day.

muriel 02-06-2017 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 1959288)
It was stated in the article posted that "Rosalind (Shand, Camilla's mother) died in 1994, and she left the tiara to her elder daughter, Camilla." I would take that to mean that Camilla owns that tiara and most likely will pass it on to her daughter, Laura, who also wore it on her wedding day.

It's unlikely the writer actually knew who owns the tiara. No doubt Camilla is the one with most opportunity to wear it. Also, I can't see the point in speculation as to which of her children Camilla chooses to leave the tiara to.

Duc_et_Pair 02-06-2017 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COUNTESS (Post 1959218)
And I stand by mine, unless you know who purchased that tiara, it may have come from King Edward VII, himself. He showered Mrs. Keppel with lots of baubles. No where does it say she purchased it herself or her grandfather picked it up somewhere. Do you know its providence.

Mrs Keppel indicates a simple commoner, but Alice herself was the daughter of the 4th Baron Edmonstone and was born at their estate, Duntreath Castle at pittoresque Loch Lomond (picture).

Her husband, the Hon. George Keppel, indicates a commoner, but he was the son of the 7th Earl of Albemarle. The (Van) Keppels are 15th C nobles from the Netherlands. The original Van Keppel castle is still there, in the place named Keppel and is still in private ownership of Van Keppel-ancestors: front view.

So technically a commoner or not, Camilla's parents and grandparents were not "from the street" so to say.

Tilia C. 02-06-2017 02:09 PM

It's a nice change to see the Shand tiara from time to time. The endless repetitions of the honeycomb are a bit boring. It is a pity that her daughter-in-law did not wear it at her wedding. Only her daughter Laura did.

Daenerys Targaryen 02-06-2017 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1959303)
Mrs Keppel indicates a simple commoner, but Alice herself was the daughter of the 4th Baron Edmonstone and was born at their estate, Duntreath Castle at pittoresque Loch Lomond (picture).

Her husband, the Hon. George Keppel, indicates a commoner, but he was the son of the 7th Earl of Albemarle. The (Van) Keppels are 15th C nobles from the Netherlands. The original Van Keppel castle is still there, in the place named Keppel and is still in private ownership of Van Keppel-ancestors: front view.

So technically a commoner or not, Camilla's parents and grandparents were not "from the street" so to say.

If George Keppel was the son of an Earl he would have been Lord George Keppel, just as Diana Spencer was Lady Diana

Noble Consort Ming 02-06-2017 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daenerys Targaryen (Post 1959479)
If George Keppel was the son of an Earl he would have been Lord George Keppel, just as Diana Spencer was Lady Diana

Younger sons of earls are Hon.

Stefan 02-06-2017 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daenerys Targaryen (Post 1959479)
If George Keppel was the son of an Earl he would have been Lord George Keppel, just as Diana Spencer was Lady Diana

No. For some strange reason all daughters of an Earl are Lady ... but by sons only the oldest ist Lord ..., and the other are Honourable. ...

Spheno 02-06-2017 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1959484)
No. For some strange reason all daughters of an Earl are Lady ... but by sons only the oldest ist Lord ..., and the other are Honourable. ...

Only eldest son is a heir. All daughters are co-heiresses.

Stefan 02-06-2017 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spheno (Post 1959489)
Only eldest son is a heir. All daughters are co-heiresses.

B ut there is no difference made with the children of a Duke. They are all Lord/Lady.

Spheno 02-06-2017 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1959490)
B ut there is no difference made with the children of a Duke. They are all Lord/Lady.

and the children of a Marquess

Mbruno 02-06-2017 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1959484)
No. For some strange reason all daughters of an Earl are Lady ... but by sons only the oldest ist Lord ..., and the other are Honourable. ...

Only the sons of a duke or a marquess are Lord [...]. The eldest son of an earl uses, however, one of his father's subsidiary titles as a matter of courtesy (normally, that is a viscount title). Diana's brother was the Viscount Althorp for example.

MARG 02-06-2017 10:34 PM

Back to the Shand Floral Tiara, I was taking my information for the Royal Order of Sartorial Splendour.

The Royal Order of Sartorial Splendor: Tiara Thursday: The Cubitt-Shand Tiara

Osipi 02-06-2017 10:44 PM

:previous: me too. :biggrin:

Dman 02-06-2017 10:50 PM

It's a very nice and creative tiara.

JennahPc 02-09-2017 09:39 PM

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After so many white formal dresses it is nice to see that the Duchess has injected some colour and reintroduced her emeralds.

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Daenerys Targaryen 02-10-2017 10:32 AM

She looks so much better in colors that the all white look. At a certain age, the all white formal look needs to be retired.

Princess Larisa 02-15-2017 03:54 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall visited the "Sussex Modernism'' exhibition wearing Queen Mumís crystal brooch and her usual earrings and bracelet on February 7:
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/D...oc5JJpEEWl.jpg
https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/D...0GccqDhGtl.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall visited Bristol wearing a new-to-me brooch on February 14:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id635252188
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4oH_U5WEAEjGkW.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4n0jntWQAAbMpu.jpg:large

Princess Larisa 03-13-2017 08:30 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall hosted a reception for The Great Get-Together on February 22 wearing her diamond and sapphire broches:
https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/D...aZjLAfRy1l.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall as Royal Colonel of the 4th Battalion The Rifles attended a homecoming parade for soldiers who returned from a deployment to Iraq on February 27:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...3028?s=594x594

The Duchess of Cornwall attended the Commonwealth Secretary's reception on March 13 wearing her pansy brooches:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C60fLqcWYAA-7EC.jpg

An Ard Ri 03-15-2017 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Larisa (Post 1967277)
The Duchess of Cornwall hosted a reception for The Great Get-Together on February 22 wearing her diamond and sapphire broches:
https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/D...aZjLAfRy1l.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall as Royal Colonel of the 4th Battalion The Rifles attended a homecoming parade for soldiers who returned from a deployment to Iraq on February 27:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...3028?s=594x594

The Duchess of Cornwall attended the Commonwealth Secretary's reception on March 13 wearing her pansy brooches:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C60fLqcWYAA-7EC.jpg


The Duchess has an impressive brooch collection and wears them all well with her other jewels.

Daenerys Targaryen 03-15-2017 10:28 AM

I love the pansy brooches on that purple outfit.

duke of poliganc 03-23-2017 09:37 PM

From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Queen Mother’s Rock Crystal Brooch

Princess Larisa 03-30-2017 04:42 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall visited Newmarket Academy, including the Animal Welfare Centre on March 22 wearing Queen Motherís rock crystal brooch:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7h3U92XQAEBOS3.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall, Patron of the Launch of Panama Wildlife Conservation, attended the Launch of the Charity on March 27 wearing her Van Cleef & Arpels green malachite jewelry:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...0644822792.jpg

eya 04-04-2017 03:46 AM

Beautiful jewels from the Duchess last night at the gala dinner

Charles and Camilla in Italy: Palazzo Vecchio Gala | The Court Jeweller

Princess Larisa 04-05-2017 12:03 AM

The Duchess of Cornwallís jewellery during the tour of Italy and Vatican:
Charles and Camilla in Italy: Arrival in Florence | The Court Jeweller
Charles and Camilla in Italy: Visit to Naples | The Court Jeweller
Charles and Camilla in Italy: Visiting Florence | The Court Jeweller
Charles and Camilla in Italy: Celebrating Florentine Culture | The Court Jeweller
From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall at a Gala Dinner in Florence
Charles and Camilla in Italy: Palazzo Vecchio Gala | The Court Jeweller
Charles and Camilla in Italy: Arrival in Rome | The Court Jeweller
Charles and Camilla in Italy: Vatican Visit | The Court Jeweller

Princess Larisa 04-09-2017 05:53 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall’s jewellery during the tour of Italy and Austria, April 5 and 6:
Queen Mum’s brooch in Italy:
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...uAJSFIuIQl.jpg

Charles and Camilla in Austria: Arrival in Vienna | The Court Jeweller

Charles and Camilla in Austria: State Dinner | The Court Jeweller
Bracelet worn before:
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...uT-rpK8p6x.jpg

Pearl choker with small amethyst clasp and flower brooch in Austria:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8vEvc1XcAADnXI.jpg
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...vqRZCcrpJl.jpg

Spheno 04-09-2017 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Larisa (Post 1975121)
The Duchess of Cornwallís jewellery

Pearl choker with small ruby clasp and flower brooch in Austria:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8vEvc1XcAADnXI.jpg
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...vqRZCcrpJl.jpg

From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Three Strand Pearl Choker with Amethyst Clasp

Princess Larisa 05-10-2017 09:22 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall at the BBC Radio 2 Studios in London on May 5 wearing pearls:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id679190730

The Duchess of Cornwall in Northern Ireland on May 9 wearing her diamond and sapphire dragonfly brooches:
https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...SizuIeyAMl.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall in Northern Ireland on May 9 wearing pearls and turquoises:
https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...TtKuopV5Tl.jpg

Charles and Camilla's Northern Ireland Visit: Day 1 | The Court Jeweller

Princess Larisa 05-11-2017 07:04 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall in Northern Ireland on May 10 wearing her usual pearl earrings and a turquoise brooch:
https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...FK90UR3LJl.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall in Ireland on May 10 wearing her usual pearls and a brooch:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_eYb8OXsAATFxj.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_ecH5RXgAA_HMc.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall in Kilkenny, Ireland on May 11 in gold earrings, necklace and a Claddagh brooch, which was a gift, presented to her in Galway in 2015:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_iop4YXkAA6CKZ.jpg

Angelkiss 05-12-2017 01:29 AM

She always looks lovely in blue!

Princess Larisa 05-18-2017 09:57 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall in Ireland on May 12 wearing her sapphire and diamond butterfly brooch and her usual pearls:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_ohEerXoAMuUCB.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall in Oxford on May 16 wearing pearls:
https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...cMtvgZAznl.jpg

Princess Larisa 05-26-2017 06:08 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall, as Patron of the London Library hosted a dinner at Clarence House on May 18 wearing her Alhambra diamond earrings and the ruby bracelet/watch:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/19/08/4083CC5A00000578-4521490-image-m-6_1495179137190.jpg
https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/D...ivzMiAkRxl.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall at RAF Halton in Aylesbury on May 24:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...5633604435.jpg

Princess Larisa 06-20-2017 03:44 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall appeared on the cover of the June issue of Australian Woman's Weekly wearing her newish chocker, with a sapphire or amethyst clasp:
https://twitter.com/ChrisJack_Getty/...77260212547584
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBN9mh2WsAAfmDo.jpg

It was worn before in 2016:
https://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...psra2o6d6q.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall attended Trooping the Colour on June 17 wearing her diamond clover brooches:
https://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Camilla+Parker+Bowles+Trooping+Colour+2017+vev00kpbjBTl.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qf4b2Ew5i...trooping04.png

From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall’s Cosmos Clip Brooches and Earrings

The Duchess of Cornwall attended day 1 of Royal Ascot on June 20 wearing her Five Strand Pearl Choker with Pink Topaz Clasp:
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...JutSUmTuFl.jpg
https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...ReoeZHBR6l.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...7965240818.jpg

From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Pink Topaz Choker and Earrings

Princess Larisa 07-01-2017 06:02 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall attended day 2 of Royal Ascot on June 21 wearing pearls:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id699272292
From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: State Opening of Parliament and Royal Ascot, Day 2
From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Four Strand Pearl Chokers with Diamond Clasps
From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Everyday Pearl Pendant Earrings

The Duchess of Cornwall visited Manchester on June 26 wearing pearls and a Worker Bee badge, the symbol of the City of Manchester:
https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...03mE1u9KMl.jpg
https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...omO0PGhVMx.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall on day 1 in Canada on June 29 wearing the Lily of the Valley Brooch from the Queen Mother. The brooch, made by Faberge, was given to the Queen Mother by Nikita Khrushchev.
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id803389348

Royal Tour of Canada: Arrival in Nunavut | The Court Jeweller

Princess Larisa 07-12-2017 02:49 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall on day 2 in Canada on June 30 wearing her regimental brooch - called the Pellatt brooch Ė she is Colonel-in-Chief of The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...7080?s=594x594

Royal Tour of Canada: Engagements in Ontario | The Court Jeweller

The Duchess of Cornwall on day 3 in Canada on July 1 wearing pearls:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...3136?s=594x594
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...1492?s=594x594

Royal Tour of Canada: Canada Day in Ottawa | The Court Jeweller

The Duchess of Cornwall on day 1 of State Visit from Spain on July 12 wearing pearls and her diamond stick insect brooch:
State Visit Of The King And Queen Of Spain - Day 1 Photos and Images | Getty Images

From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Everyday Pearl Pendant Earrings
From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Four Strand Pearl Chokers with Diamond Clasps
From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Everyday Bracelets
From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Engagement and Wedding Rings

muriel 07-12-2017 03:54 PM

Some serious earrings on this evening!

Pranter 07-12-2017 03:55 PM

I want to like them...but I don't like them.


LaRae

Nico 07-12-2017 04:00 PM

These earrings are insane. Cams brought some unseen bling for once.

edit : they seem more delicate than i thought.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...9887765866.jpg

MARG 07-12-2017 11:37 PM

:previous: You're right Nico, for all their size they are very delicate and the Mighty Bouch crushes it and the clasp on the pearls dusts of the bits.

Sad really, they look like very nice earrings but the mix of old and new diamonds is rarely, if ever, successful.

On another note, why on earth are we not seeing more tiara wear? The Delhi Durbar would have been magnificent on this occasion and I hear she has another, which we have never seen her wear. Her family one is lovely but cannot compete with the tiaras on display last night.

Princess Larisa 07-13-2017 09:10 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall at the State Banquet during the State Visit from Spain on July 12 wearing her usual tiara and pearl choker with large NEW diamond earrings:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...9887828508.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...9890427480.jpg

These earrings by Van Cleef & Arpels:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEkIqocV0AU-Qx6.jpg
From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Van Cleef & Arpels Snowflake Earrings

Hans-Rickard 07-13-2017 11:53 PM

Camilla is the Queen of Chockers :) I love it ! Especially as none of the other British Royal ladies seems to be very fond of chockers.

And the Greville Boucheron Tiara is really lovely and gives her perfect sparkle. But she has worn it to almost every high profile event. I know she has used her family tiara to some occassions recently too but i would love to see her wear a new Royal tiara soon. If she really has access to the Teck Crescent Tiara i would love to se her wear it. I would also love to see her in the Oriental Circlet Tiara. No one else seems to want to wear it and Cam would look lovely in it so i hope QEII will lend it to her :)

MARG 07-16-2017 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padams2359 (Post 2002988)
Camilla has received pieces that belonged to QEQM, should those pieces go to her children of a previous marriage, or should they go to William or Harry. I think those pieces should stay with the royal family. Pieces bought for her could go either way, although, I think those should stay also. Pieces that she brought into the marriage, should go to her children.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pranter (Post 2003011)
I don't believe those were given to Camilla to 'keep'...I believe she understands on her death they go back to the BRF...those pieces that were from the QM.

Her private jewelry bought for her by Charles are hers to dispose of as she wishes.


LaRae


The jewels from HM I should imagine are, like the Lovers knot Tiara, "gifts" but in the nature of a life time loan returned to the family vault upon her death.

That would include the Bucheron and Teck Crescent tiaras and the Dehli Durbar tiara which I suspect was a one-time loan anyway. Also the Greville two and three strand diamond necklaces and the single diamond collet necklace.

All the "gifts" from other countries go into the Royal Vault (state) and she gets to leave her formidable collection of pearl chokers and matching earrings, diamond, turquoise and amethyst demi-parures, her engagement ring, family tiara and any other private family gifts to whomever she wishes.

padams2359 07-17-2017 04:53 AM

The chocked thing could be a smart move on her part. QE2 was never interested in them, and I'm sure QM stock pile is still in the vault.

Duc_et_Pair 07-17-2017 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padams2359 (Post 2003568)
The chocked thing could be a smart move on her part. QE2 was never interested in them, and I'm sure QM stock pile is still in the vault.

It was my understanding that all the chokers of the Duchess are her personal property and not from the royal collection.

wyevale 07-17-2017 07:54 AM

Yes indeed, they are her personal property, either inherited of gifts from her Prince.
As such they will not be joining 'the Royal Collection'.

AdmirerUS 07-17-2017 08:21 AM

Just remember that there is a choice with her personal jewelry. She can leave it to family and friends, subject to tax. Or she can give it to the royal trust, which is an untaxed move. Or do some of each, as I think she will.
Doubtless many family and friends will receive bequests - but wisely so as to not tax the income of recipients. I've always thought Camilla to be practical in these kinds of things.
And I also think some of her own iconic pieces, if not anyone's choice, will go to the royal collection. At some point, Camilla will be as fondly represented in royal exhibits as other past royals. And her personal jewelry choices will be a part of that tale.

IloveCP 07-17-2017 10:15 AM

The Top Ten: Camilla's Gala Jewels | The Court Jeweller

A truly exquisite and regal collection.

ldmemail 07-17-2017 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdmirerUS (Post 2003602)
Just remember that there is a choice with her personal jewelry. She can leave it to family and friends, subject to tax. Or she can give it to the royal trust, which is an untaxed move. Or do some of each, as I think she will.

Doubtless many family and friends will receive bequests - but wisely so as to not tax the income of recipients. I've always thought Camilla to be practical in these kinds of things.

And I also think some of her own iconic pieces, if not anyone's choice, will go to the royal collection. At some point, Camilla will be as fondly represented in royal exhibits as other past royals. And her personal jewelry choices will be a part of that tale.



This is such an interesting topic for discussion- I've been contemplating the Greville Jewels that Camilla has been wearing - they actually have more of a connection her than the Queen Mother, as the original owner the Hon. Dame Margaret Greville was in fact godmother to Sonia Cubitt, Camilla's grandmother, who inherited Mrs Greville's cultured pearls !

Mirabel 07-17-2017 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdmirerUS (Post 2003602)
Just remember that there is a choice with her personal jewelry. She can leave it to family and friends, subject to tax. Or she can give it to the royal trust, which is an untaxed move. Or do some of each, as I think she will.
Doubtless many family and friends will receive bequests - but wisely so as to not tax the income of recipients. I've always thought Camilla to be practical in these kinds of things.



I don't believe Camilla had much jewelry when she married Charles.
He gave her most of what she has.
I remember reading that he had scouts in the major auction houses because he wanted to find some nice pieces for her.

(If that is the case, it seems like they should stay in the RF, rather than be bequeathed to other people). Although if they were a gift, that might change things.

Mbruno 07-17-2017 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirabel (Post 2003697)
I don't believe Camilla had much jewelry when she married Charles.
He gave her most of what she has.
I remember reading that he had scouts in the major auction houses because he wanted to find some nice pieces for her.

(If that is the case, it seems like they should stay in the RF, rather than be bequeathed to other people). Although if they were a gift, that might change things.


My opinion is that , when something is given to someone as a personal gift, then it belongs to the person who received it and he/she is free to sell it or leave it to whoever he/she wants. A case in point is Sarah's wedding tiara, which was given to her and, therefore, she didn't have to return it to the Queen after she divorced Andrew.

My personal position , on the other hand, which isn't always the case in the real world, is that royal jewelry, especially grand tiaras that were used by former queen consorts or reigning queens, should stay mostly in the main line of the family, either by being inherited by the next king or queen, or, as I prefer it, by being placed in a family trust/foundation as the Bernadottes and the Orange-Nassaus have done. None of Charles' gifts to Camilla fall into the latter category though IMHO.

padams2359 07-17-2017 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 2003571)
It was my understanding that all the chokers of the Duchess are her personal property and not from the royal collection.



Oh yes, those are hers. Everyone compares a person to the one who wore the jewels before. As in Diana's ring on DoC. OM's chokers have not seen the light of day in 70 years. No one wears them. I think it would be great for Camilla to start wearing them as consort. She is also taller then QE, so the stomachers would probable look really good on a dress with something higher on the neck.

MARG 07-17-2017 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirabel (Post 2003697)
I don't believe Camilla had much jewelry when she married Charles.
He gave her most of what she has.
I remember reading that he had scouts in the major auction houses because he wanted to find some nice pieces for her.

(If that is the case, it seems like they should stay in the RF, rather than be bequeathed to other people). Although if they were a gift, that might change things.

The floral tiara, the turquoise demi-parure, the diamond snake necklace, aquamarine and diamond suite, the diamond demi-parure, the aquamarine and pearl choker, amethyst and pearl choker, small diamond and pearl choker, garnet and pearl choker, a single strand of pearls and her everyday pearl earrings, and of course, her engagement ring.

I am sure that is not her entire collection pre-wedding, I've missed the brooches and modern bits and bobs. Not an insignificant collection to bring to her marriage.

IloveCP 07-27-2017 02:07 PM

From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Saudi Emerald Demi-Parure

A truly wonderful piece. Beautiful and majestic.

padams2359 07-28-2017 05:59 PM

Duchess of Cornwall Jewels 8: January 2016 -
 
Just a question. Over many, many years the royals have received vast amount of jewelry from many Arab countries. Do these countries, or say, their monarchs receive the standard picture of the Queen in a silver frame? Or is there something more?

AdmirerUS 07-28-2017 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padams2359 (Post 2006348)
Just a question. Over many, many years the royals have received vast amount of jewelry from many Arab countries. Do these countries, or say, their monarchs receive the standard picture of the Queen in a silver frame? Or is there something more?

It's an intriguing question. I don't think the BRF gifts for a gift. I think they gift on inbound State Visits. And yes, there is a photo of the Queen given when she is on outbound trips. I don't think we have ever heard what the POW does (if anything) on the visits.

I have always thought that the BRF approach to this is to show there is NO quid pro quo for official visits. As in you can give us an expensive piece of jewelry and we will respond with impeccable manners to show you we deeply appreciate the gesture. And cannot be bought.

Because that's the rub. The Saudis (IMO and without getting political here folks) overdo the gifting thing. It looks like they just may be trying to curry favor. For all we know, they just have piles of money and are looking for easy ways to get rid of it. And to adorn the spouse of the future Queen in a time when the BRF itself is not buying huge parures is also a really nice gesture. If you are just trying to spend more money than you can possibly spend. And I am happy for Camilla and I love the gems.

But I don't think the Saudis disclose incoming gifts. And I think the BRF does not disclose outgoing gifting down to a line item. We know about it from press coverage and press releases. But again, the Saudis IMO are not looking for for gifts in return. They are looking for something else.

tommy100 07-28-2017 06:53 PM

I think the Queen usually gives a framed photo of her and Philip and a gift for the Head of State and one for their spouse. I know a few of these have been copies of letters, documents etc from The Royal Collection which would mean they weren't expensive per se.

MARG 07-28-2017 06:57 PM

The legendary Middle Eastern gifts are exactly what they seem. From a culture that gifts, they give and those gifts are commensurate with what you would expect.

Just take a look at the personal jewellery their own princesses wear, they would never give something less to a noted guest. They are also perfectly aware that while these jewels are gifted to a specific person, Camilla, Catherine, etc. they become state property.

My question is if a friend from the middle east gifts Charles a pair of diamond studded cuff links for his birthday, or a fabulous horse to HM to for her birthday, do they get to keep them?

AdmirerUS 07-28-2017 07:33 PM

You said it better than I did. And just to kvetch, under the old UK Royal website, I could have found the policy about this in 3 clicks. Now I cannot find it at all. Its a rabbits' warren of a site and it bugs me no end.

I can tell you that they formally report gifts from state visits. But there is no reporting (transparency) on other gifting. As I recall the policy, I cannot remember if it covers all gifting or just foreign visit gifting. I do remember a paragraph about personal gifts being allowed.

My guess is that they promote meaningful gifting, rather than high value gifting. And that when in doubt, it goes to the royal collection. Because they have been bitten by the fiscal issue too many times.

Spheno 07-29-2017 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARG (Post 2006362)
My question is if a friend from the middle east gifts Charles a pair of diamond studded cuff links for his birthday, or a fabulous horse to HM to for her birthday, do they get to keep them?

Royals can receive private gifts from their friends. These gifts are their own property. But they need to pay gift taxes.
All gifts received during official trips (including from friends) are official.

tommy100 07-29-2017 04:22 AM

The official policy was released in 2003 (https://www.royal.uk/sites/default/f...olicy_2003.pdf) and states

Gifts are classed as personal when they are:
-given by people whom the Member of The Royal Family knows privately and not during or in connection with an official engagement or duty;
-given by public bodies, businesses or private individuals with whom the Member of The Royal Family has an established relationship, such as Warrant Holders, on the occasion of a marriage, birth, birthday or other notable personal occasion (including Christmas), and where the value of the gift is less than £150 (if a gift is given where there is no established
relationship, other than on a notable personal occasion or is over £150 in value, the gift should be classified as official);
-prizes won as a result of personal activity; or given on other occasions, for example by staff, where there is no connection to official
duties.


I think this means they can receive gifts from royals they know or have met before for a birthday and keep it as personal.

That being said wouldn't it be better if any excessively big jewels, as the Middle East royals like to give, were counted as official as that way Camilla gets to use them without paying tax on them or her descendants paying inheritance tax on them.

IloveCP 08-29-2017 01:03 AM

The Greville Festoon Necklace | The Court Jeweller

A stunning and regal necklace. One of her most beautiful in her collection.

muriel 08-29-2017 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IloveCP (Post 2013066)
The Greville Festoon Necklace | The Court Jeweller

A stunning and regal necklace. One of her most beautiful in her collection.

Lovely necklace. I would love to see Camilla use it in 3 string only version as well.

An Ard Ri 08-29-2017 06:06 AM

I prefer the 3 strand to the full 5 as its a bit overpowering ,none the less a stunning set!

Dman 08-29-2017 07:54 AM

The necklace is impressive, but it's better if Camilla use 1 or 2 strands of the necklace rather than all 5 of the strands. It's too overpowering for her neckline. It takes a strong neckline to carry all 5 strands off.

muriel 08-29-2017 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2013119)
The necklace is impressive, but it's better if Camilla use 1 or 2 strands of the necklace rather than all 5 of the strands. It's too overpowering for her neckline. It takes a strong neckline to carry all 5 strands off.

MY personal preference would be to see Camilla use the smaller, 3 string necklace for occasions of state. She has really stopped wearing much jewelery in the last 8-9 years, other than the obligatory tiara when required.

Dman 08-29-2017 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2013123)
MY personal preference would be to see Camilla use the smaller, 3 string necklace for occasions of state. She has really stopped wearing much jewelery in the last 8-9 years, other than the obligatory tiara when required.

3 strands would be nice too. Wearing all 5 is just too much for her kind of neckline.

Osipi 08-29-2017 08:57 AM

There is something about wearing all 5 strands of this necklace that just screams "majestic". Its perfect for Camilla too with being in her 70s, the neck and chest skin just ain't what it used to be and this necklace detracts from that.

The 5 strand is perfect for a majestic occasion such as a coronation or such but for a white tie dinner with a tiara, perhaps a 3 strand would do the trick.

It certainly is an impressive piece.

Dman 08-29-2017 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 2013128)
There is something about wearing all 5 strands of this necklace that just screams "majestic". Its perfect for Camilla too with being in her 70s, the neck and chest skin just ain't what it used to be and this necklace detracts from that.

The 5 strand is perfect for a majestic occasion such as a coronation or such but for a white tie dinner with a tiara, perhaps a 3 strand would do the trick.

It certainly is an impressive piece.

The necklace is very majestic indeed. A strong and young neckline is needed carry it off. Thats not Camilla's neckline though. It's better for her to use 2 or 3 strands.

Even The Queen has adjusted some of her necklaces due to her aging neckline.

muriel 08-29-2017 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2013130)
The necklace is very majestic indeed. A strong and young neckline is needed carry it off. Thats not Camilla's neckline though. It's better for her to use 2 or 3 strands.

Even The Queen has adjusted some of her necklaces due to her aging neckline.

While I take your broader point about a younger neckline for such a heavy necklace when all 5 string are used, necklaces of this type also require a certain presence and attitude that often, younger women do not possess. I believe Camilla does do the 5 string justice, much as i would like to see her in the 3 string version.

Dman 08-29-2017 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2013136)
While I take your broader point about a younger neckline for such a heavy necklace when all 5 string are used, necklaces of this type also require a certain presence and attitude that often, younger women do not possess. I believe Camilla does do the 5 string justice, much as i would like to see her in the 3 string version.

I agree, but that was The Queen Mother, imo.

I think Catherine, Princess Mary or Queen Maxima can pull it off.

Duc_et_Pair 08-29-2017 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dman (Post 2013141)
I agree, but that was The Queen Mother, imo.

I think Catherine, Princess Mary or Queen Maxima can pull it off.

Catherine is a bit schlouching and has a frÍle appearance. I am not sure the huge 5-strand necklace is something for her, but who knows.

Princess Larisa 09-07-2017 12:49 AM

The Duchess of Cornwall attended a concert at Dumfries House in Scotland on September 6:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...4731067032.jpg

Is this a new necklace?

muriel 09-07-2017 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Larisa (Post 2016422)
The Duchess of Cornwall attended a concert at Dumfries House in Scotland on September 6:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...4731067032.jpg

Is this a new necklace?

No, she has had this for over 20 years. She wore it to her 50th birthday party at Highgrove

Princess Larisa 09-07-2017 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muriel (Post 2016429)
No, she has had this for over 20 years. She wore it to her 50th birthday party at Highgrove

Ah, yes, hereís a closeup:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...2199435869.jpg

Princess Larisa 09-11-2017 04:58 PM

The Duchess of Rothesay took part in a naming ceremony for an aircraft carrier, HMS Prince of Wales, in Rosyth, Scotland on September 8:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJNEU7XU...jpg&name=small
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id844045142

Prince of Wales Feathers for the Duchess of Rothesay | The Court Jeweller

COUNTESS 09-11-2017 07:23 PM

Sorry, it looks unbecoming. I hate the hat and the rest looks too busy.

IloveCP 09-14-2017 03:32 PM

From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Ruby Garland Demi-Parure

I love this parure. It just unbelievably beautiful and regal. Simply amazing.

Princess Larisa 09-17-2017 02:14 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall attended a service at Westminster Abbey commemorating the Battle of Britain on September 17 wearing her pearls and a Royal Air Force brooch:
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...ZwPpxNtKil.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ62AncX...jpg&name=small
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t5...27434752_n.jpg

An Ard Ri 09-17-2017 02:23 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall looks very classy,those pearls never go out of fashion like so many modern pieces.

Princess Larisa 10-17-2017 04:03 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall visited the Royal Academy of Arts on October 16 wearing her floral necklace:
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id862027442
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id862045534

https://www.thecourtjeweller.com/2017...cademy-of.html

The Duchess of Cornwall attended the Man Booker Prize dinner and reception on October 17:
https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/D...VYZJWbQo3x.jpg
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...MayKlM8chl.jpg

Great to see something different from the usual pearl and diamond chockers:flowers:.

MARG 10-17-2017 09:40 PM

I am not really taken with the Floral necklace. It seems almost to have been shortened to be a choker.

I love the gold jewellery she wore at the Man Booker Prize. It's really nice to see something other than a choker or pearls. However, I do love her single string and three string longer pearls very much.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...17_470x572.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/90/fc/9e/9...-necklaces.jpg

muriel 10-18-2017 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARG (Post 2028908)
I am not really taken with the Floral necklace. It seems almost to have been shortened to be a choker.

I love the gold jewellery she wore at the Man Booker Prize. It's really nice to see something other than a choker or pearls. However, I do love her single string and three string longer pearls very much.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...17_470x572.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/90/fc/9e/9...-necklaces.jpg

Not sure if the diamond daisy necklace e has been shortened, it was always quite snug around the neck

Princess Larisa 11-01-2017 06:15 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall in Singapore on October 31 -day:
https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...31Ubxfzfol.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall in Singapore on October 31 -evening:
https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...TkgAqn8Zzl.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNeXTrIU...jpg&name=small

Camilla Sparkles in Singapore | The Court Jeweller

The Duchess of Cornwall in Singapore on November 1:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNkEjMgW...jpg&name=small

An Ard Ri 11-01-2017 07:04 PM

The White and Gold diamond earrings are stunning,the pearls too very classy looking.

muriel 11-03-2017 01:46 PM

In Malaysia, Camilla's (relatively) new VC&A diamond earrings made another appearance. They were first used at the state banquet for the Spanish in July this year.

https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...NPc2tLZ1Bx.jpg

https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...si9qZTy-Dx.jpg

Princess Larisa 11-04-2017 08:11 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall in Brunei on November 2 wearing her diamond and turquoise earrings:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...9628124446.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall in Malaysia on November 3 -day:
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...VBczn0sG9x.jpg
https://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...CnnmB4GoAl.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall in Malaysia on November 3 -evening:
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...NPc2tLZ1Bx.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall in Malaysia on November 4 wearing her turquoise necklace:
https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...Ip32kkf2kl.jpg
https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...gQDEQwHixl.jpg

rominet09 11-05-2017 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Larisa (Post 2017996)
The Duchess of Rothesay took part in a naming ceremony for an aircraft carrier, HMS Prince of Wales, in Rosyth, Scotland on September 8:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJNEU7XU...jpg&name=small
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id844045142

Prince of Wales Feathers for the Duchess of Rothesay | The Court Jeweller

Perfect and classy outfit.... brooch is lovely too !:flowers:

IloveCP 11-06-2017 01:25 AM

More Diamonds for Camilla in Malaysia | The Court Jeweller

Truly amazing jewels.

Princess Larisa 11-07-2017 05:14 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall in Malaysia on November 6 wearing her usual earrings and a necklace she was given by the hosts:
https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...nflV2QxaBx.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall in Malaysia on November 7 wearing her Van Cleef & Arpels earrings:
https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...3YgbXes34l.jpg

Princess Larisa 11-09-2017 04:52 PM

The Duchess of Cornwall in India on November 8:
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...VEV-3AbPxl.jpg
https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...-xcus5Y25l.jpg

The Duchess of Cornwall in India on November 9:
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...H-oWwC_fkl.jpg
https://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/C...nhocuYAkFl.jpg
https://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...x-LA1M3Ugx.jpg

Interesting bracelets on both days. Is anyone familiar with them or has better photos?

IloveCP 11-16-2017 01:05 AM

Bejeweled Close-Ups: The Greville Tiara | The Court Jeweller

A very magnificent tiara.

Pranter 11-16-2017 07:14 AM

I'm not a big fan of it. Too art deco or something.


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