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muriel 02-03-2015 11:44 AM

British Jewels: Suggested Changes
 
I thought we could let our creativity loose in one place for any suggested changes to the jewels of the British royal family.

[Mod. Note: the 2nd part of this post has been copied from the thread 'Swedish jewels: suggested changes']

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1746676)
But the ruby Parure which was changed by Mary can be changed back to it's original form with the ecxeption of the tiara.
I think i found it quiet strange when i read in the Queens Diamonds that Queen Mary even broke up Jewels she had got as Wedding gifts to make other Jewels out from the diamonds and pearls who sometimes (the fringe tiara for example) resembled Jewels she had already for her use.

You are right, the tiara cannot be converted back and the changes to it are permanent. I view the changes that Mary made as quite positive, it makes the tiara far more suitable for her. I also think the changes to the earrings and necklace make them far more wearable for her.

As regards Queen Mary's changes, fact is that a lot of royal ladies have made changes. Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother altered a tiara she received from her husband, the resultant tiara is the Lotus leaf / Papyrus tiara used by Princess Margaret, and more recently, Catherine. QE2 herself broke up the Nizam tiara to make the Burmese Ruby tiara.

IMO, these things are of no use if the user cannot adapt them to suit their needs. You cannot be a hostage to history for all of these things. The lineage of the jewels is important, and IMO, any changes made sympathetically ought to be adaptable. That said, hypothetically speaking, I would not condone Camilla breaking up Queen Victoria's small diamond crown to make a necklace for herself. However, if she had it remade to fit her better, I think that would be perfectly acceptable. After all, the Imperial State Crown has been remade several times in its history.

hernameispekka 02-03-2015 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 1746685)
You are right, the tiara cannot be converted back and the changes to it are permanent. I view the changes that Mary made as quite positive, it makes the tiara far more suitable for her. I also think the changes to the earrings and necklace make them far more wearable for her.

As regards Queen Mary's changes, fact is that a lot of royal ladies have made changes. Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother altered a tiara she received from her husband, the resultant tiara is the Lotus leaf / Papyrus tiara used by Princess Margaret, and more recently, Catherine. QE2 herself broke up the Nizam tiara to make the Burmese Ruby tiara.

IMO, these things are of no use if the user cannot adapt them to suit their needs. You cannot be a hostage to history for all of these things. The lineage of the jewels is important, and IMO, any changes made sympathetically ought to be adaptable. That said, hypothetically speaking, I would not condone Camilla breaking up Queen Victoria's small diamond crown to make a necklace for herself. However, if she had it remade to fit her better, I think that would be perfectly acceptable. After all, the Imperial State Crown has been remade several times in its history.

I agree with you. The bad part is we won't know if the queen doing the changes will make it better. Often it does. But then we have the Nizam-Burmese spectacle. Hurts me every time I see it.... Such a bad decision!

muriel 02-03-2015 11:52 AM

I would love to see some relatively minor alterations made to Queen Elisabeth's Burmese ruby tiaras. I think interspersing the ruby roses with a few diamonds would considerably lighten the rose and improve the design, and potentially address quite a lot of the criticism the tiara currently attracts.


https://orderofsplendor.blogspot.co.u...uby-tiara.html

hernameispekka 02-03-2015 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 1746691)
I would love to see some relatively minor alterations made to Queen Elisabeth's Burmese ruby tiaras. I think interspersing the ruby roses with a few diamonds would considerably lighten the rose and improve the design, and potentially address quite a lot of the criticism the tiara currently attracts.


The Royal Order of Sartorial Splendor: Tiara Thursday: The Burmese Ruby Tiara

Great initiative

I agree. I would love making it more tiara like and less the crown style it is today.

muriel 02-03-2015 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hernameispekka (Post 1746696)
Great initiative

I agree. I would love making it more tiara like and less the crown style it is today.

Not that it is for me to suggest to HM of how a tiara might be worn, but I think it could appear less "crown like" just by changing how it is worn. If worn further back and at an angle, it would appear a lot more tiara like, IMO.


When Camilla went to the Dutch inauguration dinner, she wore the Greville tiara a lot further back than she usually does. To me, it looked very different, and a lot less formal than usual.

hernameispekka 02-03-2015 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 1746697)
Not that it is for me to suggest to HM of how a tiara might be worn, but I think it could appear less "crown like" just by changing how it is worn. If worn further back and at an angle, it would appear a lot more tiara like, IMO.


When Camilla went to the Dutch inauguration dinner, she wore the Greville tiara a lot further back than she usually does. To me, it looked very different, and a lot less formal than usual.

That might be true. And I understand why QEII made this tiara because that shape seems to be her preferred one. I just have a really hard time liking that format.

Stefan 02-03-2015 03:13 PM

What would be really nice if they would have another emerald tiara apart from the Vladimir tiara with the emerald drops. Perhaps they could break up one of the several emerald necklaces to make a tiara out of it.
I weould also restore the Lovers Knot tiara to it's original state and put the upright pearl spikes back on it.

Dman 02-03-2015 03:16 PM

I think it would be nice just to see the Lovers Knot tiara again.

Tilia C. 02-03-2015 03:27 PM

The aquamarine tiara could do with some improvements as well. But at the moment I have no good idea how to achieve that.

wyevale 02-03-2015 03:35 PM

I'm happy with the Burmese as it currently stands, but a sprinkling of diamonds in the roses sounds lovely..

My MAJOR gripe is the lack of a sapphire tiara worthy of the name.. I wish they'd flog the 'pretend' tiara/necklace atrocity, and use the money for some decent sized cabouchon drops to dangle from the Vladimir [and add as detachable spikes to the GGBI...

Or [better still] badger the Harewoods for the return of Prince Alberts masterpiece...

For this [and the next reign], the Aquamarine tiara is fine [Camilla will really 'work' it], but I cannot imagine Catherine in it.

Queen Camilla 02-04-2015 01:38 AM

The Aquamarine, IMO, can be improved by removing the large stone in the front.

I can see Camilla wearing one of the fans on either side of the large stone as a brooch.

If all the top parts are removable then it would look nice on Kate or Sophie with their hair worn up.

The matching necklace needs to stay in the vault or made into separate brooches. Each aquamarine section should be a separate necklace or a separate brooch.

hernameispekka 02-04-2015 02:13 AM

I would love if they got a few more set's of jewels for the Vladimir Tiara. It's such an easy change to make.

I made a sapphire version on Photoshop. I think it would look great on Kate.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...765afd180f.jpg

IloveCP 02-04-2015 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hernameispekka (Post 1746937)
I would love if they got a few more set's of jewels for the Vladimir Tiara. It's such an easy change to make.

I made a sapphire version on Photoshop. I think it would look great on Kate.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...765afd180f.jpg

What a beautiful tiara!

I always thought the Cambridge Pearl tiara would looks absolutely breathtaking if the pearls were replaced with dangling rubies.

hernameispekka 02-04-2015 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by IloveCP (Post 1746938)
What a beautiful tiara!

I always thought the Cambridge Pearl tiara would looks absolutely breathtaking if the pearls were replaced with dangling rubies.

Oh, that sounds pretty! *Writes down on my mental inspiration list*

I think they would have great use of having loose pendants. Maybe the same pendants could be used on both those tiaras?

muriel 02-04-2015 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen Camilla (Post 1746930)
The Aquamarine, IMO, can be improved by removing the large stone in the front.

I can Camilla wearing one of the fans on either side of the large stone as a brooch.

If all the top parts are removable then it would look nice on Kate or Sophie with their hair worn up.

The matching necklace needs to stay in the vault or made into separate brooches. Each aquamarine section should be a separate necklace or a separate brooch.


I actually really like the aquamarine necklace, and I hope that it is not altered.

muriel 02-04-2015 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wyevale (Post 1746779)
My MAJOR gripe is the lack of a sapphire tiara worthy of the name.. I wish they'd flog the 'pretend' tiara/necklace atrocity, and use the money for some decent sized cabouchon drops to dangle from the Vladimir [and add as detachable spikes to the GGBI...

Or [better still] badger the Harewoods for the return of Prince Alberts masterpiece...

For this [and the next reign], the Aquamarine tiara is fine [Camilla will really 'work' it], but I cannot imagine Catherine in it.

I take your point about the lack of a serious sapphire tiara. Perhaps the Dubai necklace could be reworked into a nice sapphire and diamond tiara.

Queen Camilla 02-04-2015 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 1746969)
I actually really like the aquamarine necklace, and I hope that it is not altered.

Are we talking about the same one?

I was writing about this one.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...b852e42707.jpg

muriel 02-04-2015 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen Camilla (Post 1746976)
Are we talking about the same one?

I was writing about this one.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...b852e42707.jpg

Yes, the same necklace. This is not a great picture.

Marengo 02-04-2015 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by IloveCP (Post 1746938)
What a beautiful tiara!

I always thought the Cambridge Pearl tiara would looks absolutely breathtaking if the pearls were replaced with dangling rubies.

I think that rubies of that size are rather difficult to find. They usually tend to be small.

Stefan 02-04-2015 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 1746691)
I would love to see some relatively minor alterations made to Queen Elisabeth's Burmese ruby tiaras. I think interspersing the ruby roses with a few diamonds would considerably lighten the rose and improve the design, and potentially address quite a lot of the criticism the tiara currently attracts.


The Royal Order of Sartorial Splendor: Tiara Thursday: The Burmese Ruby Tiara

Waht i would change at the ruby tiara are to remove or replace this diamond antennas between the ruby roses.


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