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principessa 12-19-2014 08:19 AM

Madeleine & Chris's 2nd Child: Guess the Sex, Name, Godparents and Duchy
 
What do you think?

I think we will have

for a Princess:

HRH Princess Isabella Eva Silvia of Sweden, Duchess of Halland

for a Prince:

HRH Prince Carl Paul Antonio of Sweden, Duke of Halland.

For Godparents:

HRH Prince Carl Philip of Sweden
Annalisa O'Neill
Henry d'Abo
Oscar Magnusson
Cedric Notz
Anne De Geer

Marty91charmed 12-19-2014 08:37 AM

I can only maek few guesses I think:
I think it will be another girl... And born in the last week of June 2015

Woahh not expected at all! Congratulations to the couple! (I was expecting an announcement from Victoria to be honest) The date was not provided... Only that the baby is due in summer of 2015. Maybe she hasn't reached the 3 months mark and will release a date later... I suspect it might late June/early July though...

About the wedding: if she is due in that weeks I guess she won't go to the the ceremony

This is another pregnancy who took me by surprised! I'm happy for them! I guess the birth will be sometimes in late June...

Cris M 12-19-2014 08:43 AM

I'm guessing another girl for Princess Madeleine and Chris.

Princess Alice Silvia Eva of Sweden, Duchess of Skåne (I'm not really sure about the duchy).

I think Prince Carl Philip will be one of the godparents, or maybe Prince Daniel.

Lenora 12-19-2014 08:56 AM

Where's poll?

Marengo 12-19-2014 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenora (Post 1732775)
Where's poll?

I just added one :flowers:.

Lenora 12-19-2014 09:01 AM

Oh, thanks :flowers:

I really hope this time it will be a boy and the first grandson of the king.

Baron Brockdorf 12-19-2014 09:13 AM

I think this one will be a boy, Princess Paul Bertil Gustaf Duke of either Oland or Halland
Godparents:
Prince Carl Phillip
Prince Daniel
Chris's sister Analisa
One of the Manguson or Baronial (Princess Desiree's kids) cousins
Emma Pernald
Chris's friend Cedric

Sarahbellar 12-19-2014 09:26 AM

I am thinking that one of the Godparents will be Karini Gustafson

Biri 12-19-2014 10:16 AM

A boy: Erik Walter Christopher
A girl: Annalisa Renate Madeleine

Duchy: of Halland.

Godparents: Prince Carl-Philip, one of Chris' nieces, Oscar Magnusson, Vivien Sommerlath and two friends.

Isabella Park 12-19-2014 10:54 AM

My vote goes to a boy!
Princess Leonore will have a little brother - Prince Johann :baby:
I think baby's godparents will be Prince Carl Philip and one of Christopher's sisters

Anyway congeatulations to the Madeleine , Christopher and Leonore :flowers:

Nice Nofret 12-19-2014 10:55 AM

Congrats to them; I also hoped for a second Child for Victoria, but I fear it won't happen.

Siamesess 12-19-2014 11:36 PM

It will be a boy. I guess his/her's names are

Boy: Bertil Gustav Adolf
Girl: Lovisa Ulrika Marie

Duchy: Småland

Archduchess Zelia 12-20-2014 12:10 AM

Such a delightful surprise. I think it may be another girl but I'm probably wrong.

My initial guesses:
A Prince: Hugo Gustaf Paul, Duke of Uppland
A Princess: Mathilda Silvia Pauline, Duchess of Småland

Godparents:
Prince Carl Philip of Sweden
Countess Natascha von Abensberg-Traun
A Magnuson or Sommerlath cousin
Perhaps one of Christopher's nieces or nephews
Charlotte Kreuger Cederlund
Cedric Notz

SwissRoyal 12-20-2014 01:05 AM

Duke or Duchess of Smaland?

The kid will be known as the Ikea prince or princess very soon ;-)


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wymanda 12-20-2014 06:43 AM

A Girl - Princess Sibylla Victoria Eva Christina

King of the Jungle 12-20-2014 07:44 AM

I'll guess another daughter.

Names for a daughter:
Victoria Ingrid Josephine
Sybilla Charlotte Silvia

Names for a son:
Carl-Bertil Paul Walter
Walter Christian Gustav

Godparents:
Daniel, one of Chris's sisters, Carl-Philip, a cousin, two friends.

Princess B 12-20-2014 11:18 AM

I'd love for them to have a boy, but I think it's going to a girl.

Swedish baby names are hard to guess, they always surprise us - nobody expected names like Estelle or Leonore for the little princesses!

As for Godparents - Carl Philip, one of Chris's sisters or nieces/nephews, a friend of Madeleine's, a Bernadotte or Sommerlath cousin, a friend of Christopher's.

Also in the names I see Madeleine honouring someone from her and/or Chris's family.




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amaryllus 12-20-2014 11:24 AM

It's bound to happen one day... Has any royal family or noble family ever had triplets? Not being silly, but can anyone actually recall?

Meraude 12-20-2014 04:42 PM

I hope that the little prince or princess will become duke/duchess of one of the Swedish counties that have not yet had a royal duke/duchess: Blekinge, Bohuslän, Ångermanland, Härjedalen, Medelpad, Lappland or Norrbotten.

HereditaryPrincess 12-24-2014 10:21 AM

I think Madeleine and Chris will have another girl. I had guessed Lovisa for Leonore, so that will be my guess for Baby No. Two. I hope they will resurrect names that haven't been used within the SRF in recent times, but as Princess B said they often surprise us with the names of new little royals. Estelle and Leonore both came accross as total surprises when I heard them, but Estelle more so. For middle names, I quite like, Lovisa Ingrid Ulrika, and as Leonore has two middle names (Lilian Maria) I think their next child will have two middle names also.

For boys, I like Oscar and would love to see a little Prince Oscar. I like the sound of Prince Oscar Betil Gustaf. As they honoured Princess Lilian with Leonore's middle names, it would be lovely if they honoured Prince Bertil if they have a son.

Regarding Duchies, I quite like Meraude's idea of creating a new Duchy from a County that doesn't have one yet. The Duke or Duchess of Norrbotten has a nice ring to it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by amaryllus (Post 1733162)
It's bound to happen one day... Has any royal family or noble family ever had triplets? Not being silly, but can anyone actually recall?

I read on the "Royal Twins" thread that the House of Waldeck and Pyrmont have triplets. Their names are Zita-Florentine, Henry-Oscar and John-Moritz. Another post also said that in the House of Corsini there are triplets. Their names are Cosimo, Luisa and Mariuka. I also heard that there have been triplets in the British Nobility, but I could be imagining things. :flowers:

IloveCP 12-26-2014 08:33 PM

My guesses for a girl:

Caroline Silvia Josephine
Elise Silvia Victoria
Amelie Silvia Alice
Louisa Silvia Victoria
Catherine Silvia Margrethe
Isabella Silvia Therese
Josephine Silvia Eva
Isabella Silvia Desiree
Henrietta Silvia Desiree

CrownPrincessJava 12-26-2014 09:01 PM

I suspect if they have a boy, it'll be named after Chris' father.

I have no idea for names if it's a girl, they blindsided me with Lenore

CyrilVladisla 12-26-2014 09:29 PM

For a Prince: Johan Fredrik Adolph

Johan was the second name of the first King of the Bernadotte dynasty, Karl XIV Johan.
Fredrik is for King Fredrik I.
Adolph is the middle name of Gustaf V Adolph.
HereditaryPrincess, Fredrik is the Swedish spelling of Frederick.
For a Princess: Cecilia Helena Frederica
Pavel is an Old Swedish variant form of Povel, which is an Old Swedish variant form of Pauel (Paul).
For a Prince: Ulrik Kristoffer Halvar
Duchy of Vasterbotten
Duchy of Dalsland
For a Prince: Valter
Valter, a form of Walter, in honor of Walther Sommerlath, Queen Silvia's father.

HereditaryPrincess 12-27-2014 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 1734701)
For a Prince: Johan Fredrik Adolph

Johan was the second name of the first King of the Bernadotte dynasty, Karl XIV Johan.
Fredrik is for King Fredrik I.
Adolph is the middle name of Gustaf V Adolph.

I doubt they will choose Adolph. I think after a certain Chancellor that name (and any other name related to it, such as Adolphus, Adolphine [the feminisation] etc) has become unusable, even if it has been used in the SRF before. I like the idea of Johan (though out of personal preference I would spell it Johann) however, and Fredrik is an interesting variation of Frederik/Frederick. Is it the Swedish spelling? I've never come across it before.

IloveCP 12-27-2014 08:33 PM

I would love if the baby was named Catherine if it is a girl. There have been a few Queens of Sweden named Catherine.

GracieGiraffe 12-27-2014 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1734807)
I doubt they will choose Adolph. I think after a certain Chancellor that name (and any other name related to it, such as Adolphus, Adolphine [the feminisation] etc) has become unusable, even if it has been used in the SRF before.

I agree - that name is radioactive. Not sure how many hundreds of years before a royal dusts it off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IloveCP (Post 1734946)
I would love if the baby was named Catherine if it is a girl. There have been a few Queens of Sweden named Catherine.

I really love the name Catherine too. Simple, regal and underused in royal world. I have the feeling this one might be a boy, however.

HereditaryPrincess 12-28-2014 10:48 AM

Catherine is a great suggestion and I didn't realise there had been Queens of Sweden with that name in the past. However, I'm not sure if it's the same in Sweden, but I read the Scandinavian way of spelling Catherine is Cathrin. Granted, not Swedish, but Princess Astrid of Norway has a daughter who spells her name like this (Cathrin Ferner).

I also like Catharina but I'm not sure if they would choose that as it is the full name of the Princess of Orange, and there's also a Princess Katharina of Saxe-Coburg Gotha. IIRC the Saxe-Coburg Gotha Family is quite close to the SRF as they attended both CP Victoria and Princess Madeleine's wedding.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 1734927)
HereditaryPrincess, Fredrik is the Swedish spelling of Frederick.

Thank you. I had thought so, but wasn't entirely sure, so just wanted a confirmation. :flowers:

Lee-Z 12-28-2014 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1735059)
I also like Catharina but I'm not sure if they would choose that as it is the full name of the Princess of Orange

Imo the name is general enough and they are quite far removed from the Dutch RF, so that wouldn't be a problem if they like that name (btw, the Princess of Orange is generally referred to as Amalia, even in public by her parents)

Arrjann 12-28-2014 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1735059)
Catherine is a great suggestion and I didn't realise there had been Queens of Sweden with that name in the past. However, I'm not sure if it's the same in Sweden, but I read the Scandinavian way of spelling Catherine is Cathrin. Granted, not Swedish, but Princess Astrid of Norway has a daughter who spells her name like this (Cathrin Ferner).

I also like Catharina but I'm not sure if they would choose that as it is the full name of the Princess of Orange, and there's also a Princess Katharina of Saxe-Coburg Gotha. IIRC the Saxe-Coburg Gotha Family is quite close to the SRF as they attended both CP Victoria and Princess Madeleine's wedding.



Thank you. I had thought so, but wasn't entirely sure, so just wanted a confirmation. :flowers:

There are many same/similar names between the various royal families (Princess Eleonore of Belgium/Countess Leonore of Orange-Nassau/Leonor, the Princess of Asturias) and that's no problem. And how about the past: there were so many Alexandras and Victorias.
In the current Grand Ducal Family of Luxembourg, there are even three Jeans and two Guillaumes.

HereditaryPrincess 12-28-2014 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee-Z (Post 1735060)
Imo the name is general enough and they are quite far removed from the Dutch RF, so that wouldn't be a problem if they like that name (btw, the Princess of Orange is generally referred to as Amalia, even in public by her parents)

I know that the Princess of Orange is often referred to as Amalia. I was just pointing out that Catharina is part of her full name. You're correct about the DRF being quite "distanced" from the SRF, so I doubt Catharina would be a problem, but as I said before the little Princess of Saxe-Coburg Gotha would perhaps be a consideration as as I understand it, the Saxe-Coburg Gotha Family are quite close to the SRF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrjann (Post 1735061)
There are many same/similar names between the various royal families (Princess Eleonore of Belgium/Countess Leonore of Orange-Nassau/Leonor, the Princess of Asturias) and that's no problem. And how about the past: there were so many Alexandras and Victorias.
In the current Grand Ducal Family of Luxembourg, there are even three Jeans and two Guillaumes.

That's a good point. There are a lot of Eleonores (and variants of the name) in Europe and other RFs (I do believe there is a Princess Eleonora in Brazil, but I could be incorrect here) and I think that's one of the most popular names within the royal world at the moment.

Cris M 12-28-2014 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1735062)
That's a good point. There are a lot of Eleonores (and variants of the name) in Europe and other RFs (I do believe there is a Princess Eleonora in Brazil, but I could be incorrect here) and I think that's one of the most popular names within the royal world at the moment.

Princess Eleonora of Brazil (now the Princess of Ligne) is married to the 14th Prince of Ligne, so she lives in Belgium. She's a younger sister of the Head of the Imperial House of Brazil. :flowers:

But the Princess of Ligne is a 61 years old woman, she's far from the age group of the little girls who share a name with her.

Anna2002 12-28-2014 11:48 AM

Hallo!

I was happy when I heard that Madeleine and Chris are expecting their second child. I wonder if she is going to give birth in Sweden this time, as her brother is going to marry mid June.

Girl:
Josephine Silvia Alice
Katharina Erna Lisanne

Boy:
Frederik Carl Paul
Arthur Walter Anton



I so hope that Victoria will have the same happy news soon. She deserves it.

Tilia C. 12-28-2014 05:52 PM

I think that it will be a boy this time.


As for the name I believe it will be extremely hard to guess. Like with their daughter they won't go for a traditional name but look for something modern und not very common.

Meraude 12-29-2014 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1735059)
Catherine is a great suggestion and I didn't realise there had been Queens of Sweden with that name in the past. However, I'm not sure if it's the same in Sweden, but I read the Scandinavian way of spelling Catherine is Cathrin.

The Swedish way of spelling Catherine is Katarina, not Cathrin (the use use of c and th is not traditional in Swedish names). Katrin and Karin are two Swedish nicknames/diminutives of Katarina. Here's a list of (among others) Swedish queens, princesses and a saint (Katarina Ulfsdotter, daughter of saint Birgitta of Sweden): Katarina – Wikipedia

Lady Nimue 12-29-2014 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tilia C. (Post 1735185)
I think that it will be a boy this time.

As for the name I believe it will be extremely hard to guess. Like with their daughter they won't go for a traditional name but look for something modern und not very common.

I agree on both counts. :flowers: A boy, and the name choice (for them) will be uncommon and unexpected. But I'll take a running guess: Prince Stephan.

principessa 12-29-2014 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Nimue (Post 1735425)
I agree on both counts. :flowers: A boy, and the name choice (for them) will be uncommon and unexpected. But I'll take a running guess: Prince Stephan.

I think that if it is a boy, the first name must be Carl, as all of Madeleine's aunts have one son called Carl (or Charles), her father is named Carl and her brother is called Carl.

I also think that if Victoria and Carl Philip will have sons, one of each is called Carl.

HereditaryPrincess 12-29-2014 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cris M (Post 1735071)
Princess Eleonora of Brazil (now the Princess of Ligne) is married to the 14th Prince of Ligne, so she lives in Belgium. She's a younger sister of the Head of the Imperial House of Brazil. :flowers:

But the Princess of Ligne is a 61 years old woman, she's far from the age group of the little girls who share a name with her.

Thank you for the confirmation. :flowers: For some reason I've always thought that Princess Eleonora was in her twenties. I'm not that knowledgeable about the Brazilian Imperial Family and am still learning which explains why I thought that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anna2002 (Post 1735077)
Hallo!

I was happy when I heard that Madeleine and Chris are expecting their second child. I wonder if she is going to give birth in Sweden this time, as her brother is going to marry mid June.

Girl:
Josephine Silvia Alice
Katharina Erna Lisanne

That's an interesting suggestion. Where do Erna and Lisanne come from? (I'm not asking this in a negative way by the way, just curious.) The only Lisanne I know of who is connected to royalty is Princess Grace of Monaco's sister, who spells her name as Lizanne. But the Monegasque Princely Family isn't related to the SRF.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meraude (Post 1735421)
The Swedish way of spelling Catherine is Katarina, not Cathrin (the use use of c and th is not traditional in Swedish names). Katrin and Karin are two Swedish nicknames/diminutives of Katarina. Here's a list of (among others) Swedish queens, princesses and a saint (Katarina Ulfsdotter, daughter of saint Birgitta of Sweden): Katarina – Wikipedia

Thank you for the extra information. :flowers:

Sarahbellar 12-29-2014 05:18 PM

Looking at all of Chris' Nieces names they all have Maria as a middle name. I think if they have a boy one of the middle names will be Christopher.

Lady Nimue 12-29-2014 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by principessa (Post 1735426)
I think that if it is a boy, the first name must be Carl, as all of Madeleine's aunts have one son called Carl (or Charles), her father is named Carl and her brother is called Carl.

I also think that if Victoria and Carl Philip will have sons, one of each is called Carl.

I was thinking that, too, so maybe Carl Stephan - hmmm...... not euphonious. :tongue: Or maybe just not familiar. It's okay. Prince Carl Stephan. Could live with it. ;)

Lenora 12-29-2014 05:23 PM

Or maybe in case they have a boy, they'll use one of Chris's father names.

Lady Nimue 12-29-2014 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenora (Post 1735453)
Or maybe in case they have a boy, they'll use one of Chris's father names.

Exactly so. :flowers: After all, this child will be fourth (and then third) in line to the throne. Not likely for him, if a him, to be monarch, so why fuss with the 'Carl'?

Could we live with a Prince Paul Cesario? ;) Prince Paul sounds very nice, very unique. Is there a Swedish version of Paul?

Lenora 12-29-2014 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Nimue (Post 1735457)
Exactly so. :flowers: After all, this child will be fourth (and then third) in line to the throne. Not likely for him, if a him, to be monarch, so why fuss with the 'Carl'?

Could we live with a Prince Paul Cesario? ;) Prince Paul sounds very nice, very unique. Is there a Swedish version of Paul?

According to Wiki, it seems to be Paulus, but I'm not sure.


Paulus – Wikipedia

Biri 12-29-2014 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by principessa (Post 1735426)
I think that if it is a boy, the first name must be Carl, as all of Madeleine's aunts have one son called Carl (or Charles), her father is named Carl and her brother is called Carl.

I also think that if Victoria and Carl Philip will have sons, one of each is called Carl.

I think it would be troublesome for grandparents to call: "Victoria's Carl, Carl Philipp's Carl, Madeleine's Carl, time to go to bed!"
"Victoria's Carl, Carl Philipp's Carl, Madeleine's Carl, breakfast is ready!"
"Victoria's Carl, give a teddy bear back to Carl Philipp's Carl!"
"Madeleine's Carl, don't kick Victoria's Carl!" etc...:rofl::lol:

If I were a grandma of numerous grandchildren I would prefer for each to have a different name.

Cris M 12-29-2014 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biri (Post 1735471)
I think it would be troublesome for grandparents to call: "Victoria's Carl, Carl Philipp's Carl, Madeleine's Carl, time to go to bed!"
"Victoria's Carl, Carl Philipp's Carl, Madeleine's Carl, breakfast is ready!"
"Victoria's Carl, give a teddy bear back to Carl Philipp's Carl!"
"Madeleine's Carl, don't kick Victoria's Carl!" etc...:rofl::lol:

If I were a grandma of numerous grandchildren I would prefer for each to have a different name.

They could call them by their second names. :lol:

Archduchess Zelia 12-29-2014 06:24 PM

Or Pauline for a girl, perhaps? Stylistically, Leonore and Pauline are quite similar.

Ceallach 12-29-2014 06:32 PM

Erik for a boy although I'd rather have Victoria have another and it be Estelle and Erik

Linnea for a girl with Lenore

or else Ewa, Desiree, Sybilla, Alice, Amelie or Katharina

JessRulz 12-29-2014 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Nimue (Post 1735457)
Exactly so. :flowers: After all, this child will be fourth (and then third) in line to the throne. Not likely for him, if a him, to be monarch, so why fuss with the 'Carl'?

Could we live with a Prince Paul Cesario? ;) Prince Paul sounds very nice, very unique. Is there a Swedish version of Paul?

This baby will actually be sixth in line to the throne, and likely to slip down further:

1. Victoria
2. Estelle
3. Carl Philip
4. Madeleine
5. Leonore
6. Baby

Cris M 12-29-2014 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1735443)
Thank you for the confirmation. :flowers: For some reason I've always thought that Princess Eleonora was in her twenties. I'm not that knowledgeable about the Brazilian Imperial Family and am still learning which explains why I thought that.

You're welcome, Hereditary Princess. The Princess of Ligne has a niece called Princess Maria Eleonora of Orleans-Braganza, who just turned 30. Maybe that's why you got confused.

But don't worry, there are a lot of Princes and Princesses in the Imperial Family of Brazil and in the House of Orleans-Braganza, which can be quite confusing. Also, they have an awful lot of Princesses called Maria something.

HereditaryPrincess 12-31-2014 03:48 PM

I've just had a thought: since Leonore and Estelle are international names and work well in a lot of countries (as well as having variants of their names, e.g. Leonor for Leonore and Estella for Estelle), I wonder if Madeleine and Chris will name their second child something international or something more Swedish/Nordic. It will be interesting to see.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cris M (Post 1735511)
You're welcome, Hereditary Princess. The Princess of Ligne has a niece called Princess Maria Eleonora of Orleans-Braganza, who just turned 30. Maybe that's why you got confused.

But don't worry, there are a lot of Princes and Princesses in the Imperial Family of Brazil and in the House of Orleans-Braganza, which can be quite confusing. Also, they have an awful lot of Princesses called Maria something.

Yes, that's who I was thinking of. :flowers: It must be confusing having all those Marias in the family. I can imagine they mostly go by their other name though.

Meraude 01-02-2015 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 1735467)
Pavel is an Old Swedish variant form of Povel, which is an Old Swedish variant form of Pauel (Paul).

Nope, Pavel is the Slavic form of Paul/Paulus. The old Swedish variant is Pål, and Pär is the old Swedish variant of Peter.

Anna2002 01-10-2015 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1735443)
That's an interesting suggestion. Where do Erna and Lisanne come from? (I'm not asking this in a negative way by the way, just curious.) The only Lisanne I know of who is connected to royalty is Princess Grace of Monaco's sister, who spells her name as Lizanne. But the Monegasque Princely Family isn't related to the SRF.


Erna Waldau is Silvias Grandmother
Lisanne is a combination of Anna and Elisabeth.
Anna is Chris´Great-grandmother
Elisa is Silvias 2nd Grandmother

Princess Leonore, Duchess of Gotland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You might want to take a look at Leonore´s ancestry. Thats how I got the Names.


Anna

HereditaryPrincess 01-11-2015 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anna2002 (Post 1739557)
Erna Waldau is Silvias Grandmother
Lisanne is a combination of Anna and Elisabeth.
Anna is Chris´Great-grandmother
Elisa is Silvias 2nd Grandmother

Princess Leonore, Duchess of Gotland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You might want to take a look at Leonore´s ancestry. Thats how I got the Names.


Anna

Ah OK, thank you for the information. :flowers: I have looked at Leonore's ancestry before, but mostly her royal ancestors and I'm not very knowledgeable about Chris's family. I was only really aware of his sisters and parents (and also that his mother is in Prince Charles's circle of friends).

I think Lisanne is a very interesting suggestion, and since both Victoria and Madeleine surprised us with Estelle and Leonore (but then again, I guess Leonore isn't as surprising as Estelle, since Eleonora is a historical name for the SRF and the European variants of Eleanor are very popular amongst European Royal Children at the moment) it could be possible.

hernameispekka 01-11-2015 02:24 PM

I have no guesses myself, but I think they will use names easily pronounced/normally spelled in Swedish. So I will give some Swedish input on some of the names here :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by wymanda (Post 1733105)
A Girl - Princess Sibylla Victoria Eva Christina

Sibylla, while a good family name, is very unlikely for the simple reason that all over the country there are small huts serving hamburgers and pizzas for cheap called Sibylla. Everyone in Sweden thinks Hamburger when they hear that name. It would be like naming it McDonalds. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1734807)
I doubt they will choose Adolph. I think after a certain Chancellor that name (and any other name related to it, such as Adolphus, Adolphine [the feminisation] etc) has become unusable, even if it has been used in the SRF before. I like the idea of Johan (though out of personal preference I would spell it Johann) however, and Fredrik is an interesting variation of Frederik/Frederick. Is it the Swedish spelling? I've never come across it before.

I agree, no version of Adolph. No way, never.

Johan I highly doubt, since everyone and their mother (father :rofl:) was named that not long ago. I think people have been fed up with that name. And if it would be that name, it will be spelled Johan. Johann is not a version we use in Sweden.

Yes, Fredrik is the usual spelling in Sweden.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IloveCP (Post 1734946)
I would love if the baby was named Catherine if it is a girl. There have been a few Queens of Sweden named Catherine.

Catherine is not a name on a Swedish queen. They were Katarina or Kristina or something like that, but might have been translated to other languages when talked about. There is very unlikely for a kid of theirs to be names Catherine since there is almost impossible to pronounce it in Swedish. If they would choose this name it would be the "Swedish" version Katarina. But that name is very much the middle aged generation in Sweden for now.

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Originally Posted by Lenora (Post 1735460)
According to Wiki, it seems to be Paulus, but I'm not sure.


Paulus – Wikipedia

The old Swedish version might be Paulus, but Paul is very much accepted as a "proper" name in Sweden.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1736045)
I've just had a thought: since Leonore and Estelle are international names and work well in a lot of countries (as well as having variants of their names, e.g. Leonor for Leonore and Estella for Estelle), I wonder if Madeleine and Chris will name their second child something international or something more Swedish/Nordic. It will be interesting to see.

I agree. Especially since Chris is English/American I highly think they will use an international name that is easily pronounced in Sweden and in English.

IloveCP 02-10-2015 12:10 AM

More guesses for girls:

Desiree Eva Josephine
Josephine Desiree Ingrid
Ingrid Margaret Silvia
Louise Amelie Silvia
Amelie Louise Alice
Alice Silvia Victoria
Anna Silvia Alexandra

GracieGiraffe 02-10-2015 08:40 AM

I think it's a boy - I have no idea what they will name it, but likely it will be an "international" rather than nordic name.

I also agree he will likely slip at least two spots in the line of succession within the next few years or so. Being so far down, he might not live in Sweden ultimately.

IloveCP 02-10-2015 07:58 PM

My guesses for a boy:

Carl Bertil Paul
Carl Louis Paul
Louis Paul Gustav
Bertil Paul Gustav
Carl Christian Paul
Christian Paul Gustav

Kellydofc 03-02-2015 02:23 PM

I think it's a girl for some reason. I have no guesses on the name.

Meraude 03-05-2015 04:37 PM

For a girl I wouldn't be surprised if they choose a variant of Margareta, there are many to choose from: Margaret - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It's a family name and a common name in Sweden, even if it's not a popular name for babies at the moment. It's a kind of grandmother/great-grandmother name today, and as such they tend to become popular every third or fourth generation, and with an unusual spelling it will also feel modern.

IloveCP 03-29-2015 03:18 AM

I would love the name Martha for a girl. Also, Crown Princess Martha of Norway was born a Swedish princess.

Meraude 04-11-2015 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by IloveCP (Post 1763255)
I would love the name Martha for a girl. Also, Crown Princess Martha of Norway was born a Swedish princess.

The Swedish name Märta/Märtha and the English name Marta/Martha are two different names, even if they look the same written in English as the letter ä doesn't exist in the English language.
Märta/Märtha is an old Swedish variant of Margaret, from Greek and Persian and means "pearl" while Marta/Martha comes from Hebrew (Judeo/Amaraic) and means "the lady".

IloveCP 04-23-2015 03:12 PM

I would love if Daniel was one of the godparents.

Marty91charmed 04-23-2015 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IloveCP (Post 1770943)
I would love if Daniel was one of the godparents.

This.:flowers: I hope Madeleine indeed choose Daniel as one of the godparents! But maybe he will also be chosen as best man for CP so who knows?

Lenora 04-23-2015 03:20 PM

I don't like when close relatives are godparents, they will participate in child's life anyway.

Archduchess Zelia 04-23-2015 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IloveCP (Post 1770943)
I would love if Daniel was one of the godparents.

I would too. It's about time that he's chosen as a godparent to a royal child. I was actually a bit choked that he wasn't made a godfather to one of the Danish twins because he and Victoria are supposedly quite close to Mary and Frederik (closer than the Duke of Castro *cough* – at least so I thought) and I'm sure Daniel would make an epic godfather :biggrin:

Bine221 04-23-2015 04:23 PM

I think, as the baby will come around the time of the wedding of Carl-Philipp, that he will become one of the godfathers.
BYe Bine

Archduchess Zelia 06-14-2015 11:59 PM

My gut has always said girl but I don't know, looking at Madeleine at the wedding, I'll go ahead and change my guess to boy. An Alexander, maybe? Or Edmund (although I sort of hope they won't use that, it's my top guess for a potential son of Victoria and Daniel). Names like Maximilian and Arthur would also match Leonore nicely. Should it be a girl, I think they'll go for either Amelie or Pauline.

As for duchy, I think I'll go with what I guessed they would give Leonore, Uppland.

And godparents... CP is a given, I suppose. Although it would be a nice touch to give either Danel or Sofia the honour instead. Some friends, some cousins, no foreign royals *sigh*

JessRulz 06-15-2015 08:41 AM

It's a boy!

Kommuniké från riksmarskalken - Sveriges Kungahus [NS4 version]

Tilia C. 06-15-2015 09:00 AM

Congratulations to the 55.13% of our voters who have guessed right! :flowers:

Now we can happily wait for the name to be announced. :smile:

Hans-Rickard 06-15-2015 09:49 AM

Madeleine & Chris's 2nd Child: Guess the Sex, Name, Godparents and Duchy
 
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Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia (Post 1791749)
My gut has always said girl but I don't know, looking at Madeleine at the wedding, I'll go ahead and change my guess to boy. An Alexander, maybe? Or Edmund (although I sort of hope they won't use that, it's my top guess for a potential son of Victoria and Daniel). Names like Maximilian and Arthur would also match Leonore nicely. Should it be a girl, I think they'll go for either Amelie or Pauline.

As for duchy, I think I'll go with what I guessed they would give Leonore, Uppland.

And godparents... CP is a given, I suppose. Although it would be a nice touch to give either Danel or Sofia the honour instead. Some friends, some cousins, no foreign royals *sigh*


I don't think they will use Uppland as long as Countess Marianne Bernadotte, widow of the former Duke of Uppland Count Sigvard Bernadotte is alive. Although Sigvard was stripped of his titles quite early in his life and married Marianne much later it is a tradition to not use dukedoms as long as holders or their wife is alive. Same situation for Dalarna as long as Countess Gunnila Bernadotte, Widow of Sigvards little-brother Count Carl Johan Bernadotte is alive.

Prince Carl-Philip will most likely be a godparent. I would not be surprised at all if Prince Daniel will be selected too.

Archduchess Zelia 06-15-2015 10:43 AM

I see my post earlier was perfectly timed :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Hans-Rickard (Post 1791938)
I don't think they will use Uppland as long as Countess Marianne Bernadotte, widow of the former Duke of Uppland Count Sigvard Bernadotte is alive. Although Sigvard was stripped of his titles quite early in his life and married Marianne much later it is a tradition to not use dukedoms as long as holders or their wife is alive. Same situation for Dalarna as long as Countess Gunnila Bernadotte, Widow of Sigvards little-brother Count Carl Johan Bernadotte is alive.

Prince Carl-Philip will most likely be a godparent. I would not be surprised at all if Prince Daniel will be selected too.

Oh, I didn't know that was a tradition. A shame. Uppland and Darlarna are such majestic sounding duchies. As a Swede, which duchy do you think is most likely to be given to the prince (if you don't mind me asking)?

Marengo 06-15-2015 11:28 AM

I am going for Carl Paul, Duke of Västerbotten. I believe the duchy was used by the king's father, so it is a nice thing for his first grandson.

Considering the connection with prince Bertil it may be nice to 'keep' Halland for descendants of prince Carl Philip.

muriel 06-15-2015 11:33 AM

Should this thread now be shut down?

Marengo 06-15-2015 11:35 AM

When the name, godparents and duchy are known it will be closed indeed. Until that time we can continue guessing.

MoonShadow123 06-15-2015 11:39 AM

Princess Madeleine gives birth to second child with Chris O'Neill - hellomagazine.com

Sweden gets ANOTHER new royal: Princess Madeleine gives birth to a son - two days after brother Carl-Philip married ex-glamour model Sofia Hellqvist | Daily Mail Online

SwissRoyal 06-15-2015 11:41 AM

I'm going for Paul as a first name as it sounds very modern, or at least it will be one of the names.

Godparents: Chris's other sister or maybe one of his nieces, Carl-Philip and also Prince Daniel. I believe Madeleine respects him very much (more than Sofia) and seeing how sweet he was to Leonore at the wedding I believe the 2 families have a very close bond.


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Hans-Rickard 06-15-2015 11:42 AM

Madeleine & Chris's 2nd Child: Guess the Sex, Name, Godparents and Duchy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia (Post 1791992)
I see my post earlier was perfectly timed :biggrin:







Oh, I didn't know that was a tradition. A shame. Uppland and Darlarna are such majestic sounding duchies. As a Swede, which duchy do you think is most likely to be given to the prince (if you don't mind me asking)?


My 2 "candidates" are Västerbotten and Närke.

The parents of the King, Prince Gustaf Adolf and Princess Sibylla was Duke and Duchess of Västerbotten (the province just north of Jämtland where the King is Duke). I think the King want to use Västerbotten again but maybe they are holding it back for a possible 2:nd child of Victoria and Daniel, given that Gustaf Adolf and Sibylla also lived at Haga Palace it would make a wonderful connection.

Närke is also a possibility with the historically important and Sweden's 6:th largest city Örebro as Residential City. The "Painting Prince" Eugen, great great uncle to the King was the last Duke of Närke.

It is also possible that they will use a Province that no one has held as a dukedom before. Then the following is available from North to South : Lappland, Ångermanland, Medelpad, Dalsland, Bohuslän, Öland and Blekinge.

Available dukedoms that have been used are from north to south : Västerbotten, Västmanland, Småland, Halland and Skåne.

Södermanland is also available but i think they are keeping that for a possible son of Carl Philip and Sofia given that a Duke of Södermanland will according to the will of it's former owner inherite Stenhammar Palace, wich Carl Philip will inherite after the King.

SwissRoyal 06-15-2015 11:42 AM

Leonore and Paul actually sounds kinda nice


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miss whirley 06-15-2015 11:52 AM

They could name him Paulo. Paulo is the Portuguese name equivalent to the English Paul. A nice tribute to Madeleine's Brazilian roots. It also gives a boring family name a face-lift.

Meraude 06-15-2015 12:43 PM

Eugen(e) would be a nice choice, as it's 150 years since the birth of prince Eugen of Sweden, but I doubt they will choose it, at least not as a first name, in combination with the surname O'Neill.

Theodor Paul Oscar, duke of Blekinge.

Hans-Rickard 06-15-2015 12:49 PM

Madeleine & Chris's 2nd Child: Guess the Sex, Name, Godparents and Duchy
 
I guess at

His Royal Highness

Paul Victor Eugen

Prince of Sweden

Duke of Närke

(Prince Eugen was the last Duke of Närke)

Archduchess Zelia 06-15-2015 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans-Rickard (Post 1792036)
My 2 "candidates" are Västerbotten and Närke.

The parents of the King, Prince Gustaf Adolf and Princess Sibylla was Duke and Duchess of Västerbotten (the province just north of Jämtland where the King is Duke). I think the King want to use Västerbotten again but maybe they are holding it back for a possible 2:nd child of Victoria and Daniel, given that Gustaf Adolf and Sibylla also lived at Haga Palace it would make a wonderful connection.

Närke is also a possibility with the historically important and Sweden's 6:th largest city Örebro as Residential City. The "Painting Prince" Eugen, great great uncle to the King was the last Duke of Närke.

It is also possible that they will use a Province that no one has held as a dukedom before. Then the following is available from North to South : Lappland, Ångermanland, Medelpad, Dalsland, Bohuslän, Öland and Blekinge.

Available dukedoms that have been used are from north to south : Västerbotten, Västmanland, Småland, Halland and Skåne.

Södermanland is also available but i think they are keeping that for a possible son of Carl Philip and Sofia given that a Duke of Södermanland will according to the will of it's former owner inherite Stenhammar Palace, wich Carl Philip will inherite after the King.

Thanks :flowers: Such an interesting read.

Närke is a good guess, I think. I've been thinking about that and Skåne (since he was born on Gustaf VI Adolf and Crown Princess Margareta's wedding anniversary) myself. I too think that Västerbotten might be saved for a potential second child of Victoria and Daniel. It sort of strikes me as a bit too important (in lack of a better word) of a duchy to give to someone so far down the line of succession. The thing about Södermanland is very interesting as well. I was certain that the firstborn of CP and Sofia would be given Halland due to the emotional connection between CP and Bertil/Lilian but now Södermanland seems like an even more logical duchy for their firstborn.

Stefan 06-15-2015 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans-Rickard (Post 1791938)
I don't think they will use Uppland as long as Countess Marianne Bernadotte, widow of the former Duke of Uppland Count Sigvard Bernadotte is alive. Although Sigvard was stripped of his titles quite early in his life and married Marianne much later it is a tradition to not use dukedoms as long as holders or their wife is alive. Same situation for Dalarna as long as Countess Gunnila Bernadotte, Widow of Sigvards little-brother Count Carl Johan Bernadotte is alive.

But in 2012 when Estelle was born and became Duchess of Östergotland Princess Kristine Bernadotte, the widow of Prince Carl was still alive. And he was also Duke of Östergotland until his first marriage in 1937.

Hans-Rickard 06-15-2015 02:24 PM

Madeleine & Chris's 2nd Child: Guess the Sex, Name, Godparents and Duchy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1792162)
But in 2012 when Estelle was born and became Duchess of Östergotland Princess Kristine Bernadotte, the widow of Prince Carl was still alive. And he was also Duke of Östergotland until his first marriage in 1937.


You are correct :) They were not very known in Sweden for this days generations (though much more known in Norway) so I had completely forgot her. But she was definitely alive then.

Osipi 06-15-2015 03:12 PM

I'm going to go off the wall here and suggest that Madeleine and Chris name their newborn son Christian Paul O'Neill. He'll be Chris O'Neill like his daddy but not a Jr. Also he'll be a CP like his Uncle Carl Philip.

Back on my wall again to watch and wait. :biggrin:

Marty91charmed 06-15-2015 03:54 PM

I had already bet on a boy... even tough I would have said girl of you had asked me recently... Can't make predictions so I'll go random and say: "Edmund Paul Carl"

Skippy 06-15-2015 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwissRoyal (Post 1792035)
I'm going for Paul as a first name as it sounds very modern, or at least it will be one of the names.

Godparents: Chris's other sister or maybe one of his nieces, Carl-Philip and also Prince Daniel. I believe Madeleine respects him very much (more than Sofia) and seeing how sweet he was to Leonore at the wedding I believe the 2 families have a very close bond.


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I assume that Madeleine was raised better than that and to have equal respect. What I do find very nice is that Carl Philip and Sofia can now attend the christening together as husband and wife. Maybe it will be in the chapel of Drottningholm again.

Hans-Rickard 06-15-2015 04:06 PM

Madeleine & Chris's 2nd Child: Guess the Sex, Name, Godparents and Duchy
 
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Originally Posted by Skippy (Post 1792225)
I assume that Madeleine was raised better than that and to have equal respect. What I do find very nice is that Carl Philip and Sofia can now attend the christening together as husband and wife. Maybe it will be in the chapel of Drottningholm again.


Eeeh ? Now i think you need to explain what you mean ?

That she would rather select Prince Daniel as a godparent than Princess Sofia ?

She knows Daniel much better than Sofia so i would see it as a natural choice.

HRHHermione 06-15-2015 05:28 PM

I think it would be nice if both Prince Carl-Phillip and Princess Sofia are asked to be godparents, as the baby was born so close to their wedding day. We'll see!


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PrincessElena 06-15-2015 10:49 PM

Carl Christian Bertil

Meraude 06-15-2015 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 1792197)
Also he'll be a CP like his Uncle Carl Philip.

To say that someone is a CP in Sweden is to say that the person is an idiot :ermm:

Osipi 06-15-2015 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meraude (Post 1792377)
To say that someone is a CP in Sweden is to say that the person is an idiot :ermm:

Ahhh. I was going by initials. :biggrin:

Ish 06-15-2015 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meraude (Post 1792377)
To say that someone is a CP in Sweden is to say that the person is an idiot :ermm:


Because Carl Philip is viewed as an idiot, or some other specific reason?

I wonder what the chance of this boy having a double barreled name is. It seems like there's something of a tradition of boys in the SRF having double barreled names - Carl Philip, Carl Gustaf, Gustaf Adolf, Carl Johan, Oscar Fredrik...

I actually think Gustaf might be a good name for this baby - one of Madeline's father's names as well as one of his father and grandfather's names. Leave Carl for a future son of CP and Sofia.

Meraude 06-16-2015 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ish (Post 1792388)
Because Carl Philip is viewed as an idiot, or some other specific reason?

CP - cerebral palsy, has been used as a taunt in bullying at school for a long time, about children who have been seen as "odd" = as idiots by their peers.

Ish 06-16-2015 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meraude (Post 1792393)
CP - cerebral palsy, has been used as a taunt in bullying at school for a long time, about children who have been seen as "odd" = as idiots by their peers.


Ahh, okay.

hernameispekka 06-16-2015 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meraude (Post 1792393)
CP - cerebral palsy, has been used as a taunt in bullying at school for a long time, about children who have been seen as "odd" = as idiots by their peers.

Hahah, true. I've onbly recently started writing CP to shorten Carl-Philip in this forum because I can only see it as stupid (or rather, the stupid people using it as a bad word)

cdm 06-16-2015 02:27 AM

I'm still hoping for a Prince Oscar, somewhere in a Scandinavian royal family.

xenobia 06-16-2015 03:41 AM

I hope and think we will have an announcement of the name and titles before midsummers, aka friday. After that, lots of swedes go on vacation and almost everything slows down a little.

Minea 06-16-2015 03:54 AM

My wish is Theodore Paul Gustaf, fourth name could be Edmund or Bertil.

wymanda 06-16-2015 07:49 AM

Gustav Christophe Bertil Duke of Halland

Skippy 06-16-2015 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans-Rickard (Post 1792237)
Eeeh ? Now i think you need to explain what you mean ?

That she would rather select Prince Daniel as a godparent than Princess Sofia ?

She knows Daniel much better than Sofia so i would see it as a natural choice.

SwissRoyal was insinuating that Madeleine respects Daniel more than Sofia - and I'm tired of that endless debate - so I said that I assume that Madeleine was raised to have equal respect > Daniel and Sofia on the same level.

And we don't know whom she knows better. All that I have seen is that people stare blind on years and lengths of time. Of course she knows Daniel longer, but that's all we can be sure about.

I didn't mean anything about whom she'd rather select. I do think it would be too early for Sofia to be a godparent, she's just married. Time will tell the things that need to be known. That's all.


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