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muriel 08-19-2014 11:18 AM

Sofia Hellqvist: Potential Wedding Tiaras
 
We can move the discussion relating to tiara's Sofia may wear on her wedding day to this thread.

Personally, I would like to see Sofia in a new tiara, or the Connaught tiara



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Which tiara will Sofia Hellqvist wear on her wedding day?

01) Queen Silvia's Modern Fringe tiara
02) Amethyst Tiara
03) Baden Fringe Tiara
04) Cameo Tiara
05) Large Steel Tiara
06) Small Steel Tiara
07) Edward VII Ruby Tiara
08) Six Button Tiara
09) Four Button Tiara
10) Connaught Tiara
11) Laurel Tiara
12) Small Aquamarine Tiara
13) Another Tiara, please specify
14) New Tiara
15) No Tiara

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Please note that this thread is created to discuss tiara possibilities, NOT to discuss your opinion on the bride-to-be.

Duc_et_Pair 08-19-2014 11:50 AM

I think the bride will wear the stråldiademet, the diamond sunbursts diadem which was given to Princess Viktoria von Baden in 1881.

My way of thinking: Prince Carl Philip is, as former Crown Prince of Sweden and as the next male in the Berndotte genealogical tree, a prominent royal. The Brazilean Diadem is only for Queens, the diadem from the Leuchtenberg Parure is nice but blue sapphires are maybe a bit off-key with a wedding dress, the diadem from the De Beauharnais Parure was already worn by the Crown Princess on her wedding day.

The diamond rosettes diadem, the diamond buttons diadem, the two steel diadems, the diadem from the amethyst parure, the converted ruby necklace, Queen Sofia's diadem (Nine Prong Diadem) and the diamond laurel wreath diadem are all possibilities but seen the position of the former Crown Prince and only male, I think that a diadem will be chosen which fits with the position of the bride but is not too big or too small, preferrably a diamonds only too, as this is fitting with the wedding dress. That makes me guessing: the stråldiademet. I have to admit it is just a guess and we will only know on the wedding day what the bride wears... During the wedding of Crown Princess Victoria, this diadem was worn by her aunt Princess Margaretha.

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Pic from Svensk Damtidnig : https://svenskdam.se/wp-content/galle...toria-2008.jpg

muriel 08-19-2014 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1696219)
I think the bride will wear the stråldiademet, the diamond sunbursts diadem which was given to Princess Viktoria von Baden in 1881.

My way of thinking: Prince Carl Philip is, as former Crown Prince of Sweden and as the next male in the Berndotte genealogical tree, a prominent royal. The Brazilean Diadem is only for Queens, the diadem from the Leuchtenberg Parure is nice but blue sapphires are maybe a bit off-key with a wedding dress, the diadem from the De Beauharnais Parure was already worn by the Crown Princess on her wedding day.

The diamond rosettes diadem, the diamond buttons diadem, the two steel diadems, the diadem from the amethyst parure, the converted ruby necklace, Queen Sofia's diadem (Nine Prong Diadem) and the diamond laurel wreath diadem are all possibilities but seen the position of the former Crown Prince and only male, I think that a diadem will be chosen which fits with the position of the bride but is not too big or too small, preferrably a diamonds only too, as this is fitting with the wedding dress. That makes me guessing: the stråldiademet. I have to admit it is just a guess and we will only know on the wedding day what the bride wears... During the wedding of Crown Princess Victoria, this diadem was worn by her aunt Princess Margaretha.

:flowers:

Pic from Svensk Damtidnig : https://svenskdam.se/wp-content/galle...toria-2008.jpg

I do hope Sofia does not wear the Baden fringe tiara you refer to. To me, that is very much Victoria's signature tiara, quite like the modern fringe is closely associated with Maddy. I hope Sophia uses the Connaught or perhaps, the 6 button tiara

HereditaryPrincess 08-19-2014 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippy (Post 1695994)
I like the Connaught from what I have seen, and I guess that the poster above me meant the Cameo Tiara. Victoria wore it and Sofia never will.

Yes, I meant the Cameo Tiara. Also, I said that I hope Sofia doesn't wear it and not that I think she will wear it/I hope she does wear it. I haven't seen photos of Madeleine or any of the Haga Princesses wearing it, so from that I think it is just being used by Silvia and Victoria at the moment, but I'm not an expert on Swedish royal jewels, so I could be incorrect.

After having Googled the Connaught tiara, I actually think it's quite nice - it would suit Sofia's darker hair IMO.

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Originally Posted by KitKat2006 (Post 1696174)
Do you mean this one?

Artemisia's Royal Jewels: Requests Sunday: Josephine of Leuchtenberg's Amethyst Parure

I agree. It could look amazing in her dark hair. But then she really needs a simple dress without lace and other tralala.

Having noticed your post, I now think that Josephine of Leuchtenberg's Amethyst Parure is my favourite tiara within the SRF's collection. It's beautiful, and I love the amethysts in particular. I've always thought of it as quite a magical stone. It would suit Sofia's hair colour as well, although I'm inclined to agree - Sofia would have to wear a simple dress and veil to pull it off.

Skippy 08-19-2014 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1696230)
Yes, I meant the Cameo Tiara. Also, I said that I hope Sofia doesn't wear it and not that I think she will wear it/I hope she does wear it. I haven't seen photos of Madeleine or any of the Haga Princesses wearing it, so from that I think it is just being used by Silvia and Victoria at the moment, but I'm not an expert on Swedish royal jewels, so I could be incorrect.

After having Googled the Connaught tiara, I actually think it's quite nice - it would suit Sofia's darker hair IMO.



Having noticed your post, I now think that Josephine of Leuchtenberg's Amethyst Parure is my favourite tiara within the SRF's collection. It's beautiful, and I love the amethysts in particular. I've always thought of it as quite a magical stone. It would suit Sofia's hair colour as well, although I'm inclined to agree - Sofia would have to wear a simple dress and veil to pull it off.

I didn't mean to put you in your place or anything when I said that, it was purely meant as an "as is".
At least we agree on not liking the Cameo and we don't have to worry about Sofia wearing that one :smile:.

Duc_et_Pair 08-19-2014 04:02 PM

I understand where it comes from, that the sunburst diamond diadem is seen as "Victoria's diadem" but it is not. Other members of the royal family, also ones we rarely see, have worn this diadem.

Here you see Princess Margaretha with the sunburst diamond diadem and her sister Princess Birgitta with the Connaught diadem: https://svenskdam.se/files/2013/09/Margaretha-1.jpg

All diadems, except the Brazilean Diadem, have been worn by various ladies. We have seen Princess Birgitta with the diamond rosettes, Princess Désirée with the amethysts, Princess Christina with the steel cut diadem, etc. The only one diadem really assignated to a certain person seemed the diamond laurel wreath diadem which was exclusively worn by the late Princess Lilian, Duchess of Halland.

JR76 08-19-2014 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1696277)
I understand where it comes from, that the sunburst diamond diadem is seen as "Victoria's diadem" but it is not. Other members of the royal family, also ones we rarely see, have worn this diadem.

Here you see Princess Margaretha with the sunburst diamond diadem and her sister Princess Birgitta with the Connaught diadem: https://svenskdam.se/files/2013/09/Margaretha-1.jpg

All diadems, except the Brazilean Diadem, have been worn by various ladies. We have seen Princess Birgitta with the diamond rosettes, Princess Désirée with the amethysts, Princess Christina with the steel cut diadem, etc. The only one diadem really assignated to a certain person seemed the diamond laurel wreath diadem which was exclusively worn by the late Princess Lilian, Duchess of Halland.


I'm sure the reason for Lilian being the only wearer of the laurel wreath tiara is that opposed to all the other mentioned above it was her husbands private property and not a part of the family's jewel foundation.
Also all the King's sisters have at least one tiara each of their own except Christina who lost hers in a robbery a few years ago.
There's also rumours that the one Margaretha inherited from their mother has been bought by the King.


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MARG 08-19-2014 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1696277)
I understand where it comes from, that the sunburst diamond diadem is seen as "Victoria's diadem" but it is not. Other members of the royal family, also ones we rarely see, have worn this diadem.

The key was in the word "signature" and in this case the Baden Fringe has definitely been Victoria's 'go to' tiara just as the Modern Fringe has been Madeleine's.

No one is questioning the fact that both these tiara's are part of the foundation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1696277)
All diadems, except the Brazilean Diadem, have been worn by various ladies. We have seen Princess Birgitta with the diamond rosettes, Princess Désirée with the amethysts, Princess Christina with the steel cut diadem, etc. The only one diadem really assignated to a certain person seemed the diamond laurel wreath diadem which was exclusively worn by the late Princess Lilian, Duchess of Halland.

The Laurel wreath diadem was Princess Lilian's personal property and she left it to Victoria. It is not part of the foundation so the only way it would end up on Sofia's head is if she loaned it to her.

HRHHermione 08-19-2014 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1696230)
Yes, I meant the Cameo Tiara. Also, I said that I hope Sofia doesn't wear it and not that I think she will wear it/I hope she does wear it. I haven't seen photos of Madeleine or any of the Haga Princesses wearing it, so from that I think it is just being used by Silvia and Victoria at the moment, but I'm not an expert on Swedish royal jewels, so I could be incorrect.



After having Googled the Connaught tiara, I actually think it's quite nice - it would suit Sofia's darker hair IMO.







Having noticed your post, I now think that Josephine of Leuchtenberg's Amethyst Parure is my favourite tiara within the SRF's collection. It's beautiful, and I love the amethysts in particular. I've always thought of it as quite a magical stone. It would suit Sofia's hair colour as well, although I'm inclined to agree - Sofia would have to wear a simple dress and veil to pull it off.


Yes, very simple. Like Victoria or Mette-Marit.

I know it's very unlikely as a wedding tiara, but I think it could be very dramatic and beautiful if styled well.


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LadyFinn 08-19-2014 11:51 PM

About the tiaras, I don't think that she will wear the Baden Fringe tiara or the Modern Fringe. I hope that she will not wear the Connaught tiara, since Victoria has never worn it. To me it looks likely that she will wear a tiara which Victoria has also worn: the cut steel, the amethyst tiara, the six button tiara or the four button tiara.

Archduchess Zelia 08-20-2014 12:23 AM

I think the Connaught Tiara would look lovely on Sofia. It has always looked gorgeous on Silvia with her beautiful dark hair. But I'm quite ambivalent – as long as she doesn't wear the Cameo, I have always loathed it. IMO, the Modern Fringe looks better on a lighter shade of hair – it looks stunning on Madeleine. Josephine of Leuchtenberg's Amethyst Tiara I'm sure would look fantastic on her as well.

Duc_et_Pair 08-20-2014 02:56 AM

With my point that the diamond sunburst diadem is worn by other ladies as well, I only wanted to make clear that on itself there is no any hindrance for Ms Hellqvist to wear that as a bridal diadem. Even given the fact that it has been worn pretty often by her future sister-in-law.

:flowers:

And for the titles: until arranged differently by the King and the Government, Ms Hellqvist can, by virtue of her marriage to HRH Prince Carl Philip of Sweden, Duke of Värmland, automatically be addressed as HRH Princess Sofia of Sweden, Duchess of Värmland.

The example is Ms Craig who automatically became HRH Princess Lilian of Sweden, Duchess of Halland after her marriage to Prince Bertil. As long as the King and the Government do not specify another arrangement, the titles with which Ms Hellqvist can be addressed are pretty obvious.

:flowers:

MARG 08-20-2014 04:08 AM

:previous: I am really looking forward to seeing what she wears. The Connaught is so very ethereal and Princessy and Sofia is a sort of elfin like creature. With the right dress and updo she could look like the quintessential fairytale bride.

The fact that Sofia is a brunette is a big plus as IMO the Connaught is displayed to best advantage against dark hair as opposed to fair or blond hair

https://lh6.ggpht.com/-1s87U94i0ZY/Tq...jpg?imgmax=800

Versus

https://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/23...1c2d5331d3.jpg

So I hope that we see Princess Sofia looking absolutely beautiful on her special day.

SElizabeth 08-21-2014 06:07 AM

For the tiara, I think that her husband to be should design something for her, this way it would be her's alone. I am sure he has lots of money to do so and something with rubies and diamonds and pearls would be nice. With her dark hair it would show up quite well....not the cameo tiara, she isn't a royal born bride and I think that should be just for girls that are royal born brides, like Estelle someday.

HRHHermione 08-21-2014 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SElizabeth (Post 1696573)
For the tiara, I think that her husband to be should design something for her, this way it would be her's alone. I am sure he has lots of money to do so and something with rubies and diamonds and pearls would be nice. With her dark hair it would show up quite well....not the cameo tiara, she isn't a royal born bride and I think that should be just for girls that are royal born brides, like Estelle someday.


See, there we go.

I do enjoy a good ruby tiara.


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Bine221 08-21-2014 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SElizabeth (Post 1696573)
For the tiara, I think that her husband to be should design something for her, this way it would be her's alone. I am sure he has lots of money to do so and something with rubies and diamonds and pearls would be nice. With her dark hair it would show up quite well....not the cameo tiara, she isn't a royal born bride and I think that should be just for girls that are royal born brides, like Estelle someday.

I like this idea.
CP shall design something and the King and Queen shall pay (--> i.e this will be their Wedding Gift :smile:).

The only remark is, this Tiara shall be a "generic one" (i.e. that it is wearable with all colours and all other lent jewels from the Royal vaults), so I see Diamonds only or Diamonds and pearls as the most ideal choice.
Bye Bine

Tilia C. 08-21-2014 07:06 AM

The engagement ring was a quite nice piece of work. But a tiara is a different thing to design. Imo there are only very few good, contemporary tiaras around. Even experienced jewellery disigners seem to have difficulties to "get it right".

And iirc the two tiaras of Charlene were awfully expensive. That might be ok for rich and glamorous Monaco. But wouldn't it cause controversy in Sweden, where the monarchy already is under fire?

wymanda 08-21-2014 07:17 AM

I think the Connaught would look lovely and would be a nice rememberance of the Princess who brought it to Sweden.

casualfan 08-21-2014 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tilia C. (Post 1696586)

And iirc the two tiaras of Charlene were awfully expensive. That might be ok for rich and glamorous Monaco. But wouldn't it cause controversy in Sweden, where the monarchy already is under fire?


This is a very good point. Also, Sweden has one of the best tiara collections around. Why commission a new one because Sofia isn't "royal born"? (That phrases sounds so medieval.)

Duc_et_Pair 08-21-2014 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tilia C. (Post 1696586)

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And iirc the two tiaras of Charlene were awfully expensive. That might be ok for rich and glamorous Monaco. But wouldn't it cause controversy in Sweden, where the monarchy already is under fire?

What was theprize tag, how do you know and were these not actually given on loan?

The Prince of Monaco counts as a very wealthy gentleman. As I see that his Dutch "colleague" buys a little speedboat for 800.000 Euro (appr. USD 1,060,000.--), to be used or some weeks in the year at his Greek holiday estate, then -in comparison- jewels are very cheap, I must say.

This magnificent demi-parure was sold for USD 923,366 and was cheaper than the little speedboat mentioned .. Picture: Christie's Large Image

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