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Rayal 12-22-2020 02:22 PM

I really enjoy British history, but if I wasn't and knew very little about any of the characters in the story I believe I would, with out question, say, "Oh, so that was how it went." Or, "So that was what she/he was like." Five years from now when possibly a teenager was watching it, they too might assume that this to be the truth and 'real' history. That would be a shame though. Reading the Earl, Charles Spencer's book, 'The White Ship', a few times he mentions that chroniclers from the 11th and 12th century would embellish facts or give slanted versions of a ruler's personality depending on the political climate at the time of the writing. So even history is not exactly word perfect. The Crown is just a source of income for their industry. I doubt they even give a hoot about real facts.

Denville 12-22-2020 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayal (Post 2362477)
I really enjoy British history, but if I wasn't and knew very little about any of the characters in the story I believe I would, with out question, say, "Oh, so that was how it went." Or, "So that was what she/he was like." Five years from now when possibly a teenager was watching it, they too might assume that this to be the truth and 'real' history. That would be a shame though. Reading the Earl, Charles Spencer's book, 'The White Ship', a few times he mentions that chroniclers from the 11th and 12th century would embellish facts or give slanted versions of a ruler's personality depending on the political climate at the time of the writing. So even history is not exactly word perfect. The Crown is just a source of income for their industry. I doubt they even give a hoot about real facts.

Of course they dont. But anyone who watches historical dramas or reads them, if they do a little research outside the TV, will find that even the best ones are not 100% accurate..

leidi 12-22-2020 02:31 PM

"The Crown" was not written for royal watchers, it was written as a general source of entertainment for people who just know some things about the BRF.

I don't take it as a "serious" thing nor I complain about it for that same reason, I like watching the scenarios, some of the historical things that happened and I watch the storyline as I'd watch anything else on Netflix.

It is a soap opera with a great production and awesome actors. Nothing more, nothing less than that.

Betsypaige 12-22-2020 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by leidi (Post 2362480)
"The Crown" was not written for royal watchers, it was written as a general source of entertainment for people who just know some things about the BRF.

I don't take it as a "serious" thing nor I complain about it for that same reason, I like watching the scenarios, some of the historical things that happened and I watch the storyline as I'd watch anything else on Netflix.

It is a soap opera with a great production and awesome actors. Nothing more, nothing less than that.

I'm sorry, but this mere "soap opera" has had a real effect on real, living people.........and in a very negative way. Although the polls don't really matter since the monarchy is not an elective position, Charles' popularity has severely declined based on the one-dimensional, villainous portrait of him. That's the British public we're talking about - not Americans, whose negative opinion of him doesn't matter. We're talking about the future King. It's not even just Charles, either.

I DO blame the people watching for taking everything at face value and pooh-poohing the historians who are trying to set the facts straight, but first and foremost I blame Peter Morgan, who has no interest in anything other than promoting his Republican agenda.

Betsypaige 12-22-2020 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 2362451)
:previous: This is an excellent point. "The Crown" *is* dealing with people that are still making history and are still alive. The quality of the production of this series has drastically gone downhill since they delved into the Diana years and reopened all the controversy surrounding the 'War of the Wales".

It's surprising, in a way, that there hasn't been lawsuits filed yet.

Why is it surprising? The BRF can't file lawsuits......and Peter Morgan knows that....If I'm the widow of Charles' friend, Hugh Lindsay, I'd want to file a suit also, but....based on what? Morgan didn't give a damn about her feelings and he went right ahead and did what he wanted; you can't litigate bad taste.

Denville 12-22-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsypaige (Post 2362502)
I'm sorry, but this mere "soap opera" has had a real effect on real, living people.........and in a very negative way. Although the polls don't really matter since the monarchy is not an elective position, Charles' popularity has severely declined based on the one-dimensional, villainous portrait of him. That's the British public we're talking about - not Americans, whose negative opinion of him doesn't matter. We're talking about the future King. It's not even just Charles, either.

I DO blame the people watching for taking everything at face value and pooh-poohing the historians who are trying to set the facts straight, but first and foremost I blame Peter Morgan, who has no interest in anything other than promoting his Republican agenda.

Charles' ratings have not been particularly good for some time...

Betsypaige 12-22-2020 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2362505)
Charles' ratings have not been particularly good for some time...

I’m aware of that, but irrelevant. They dipped by 5% - that’s a significant drop just from June, and it’s clearly to do with the Crown.

Denville 12-22-2020 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsypaige (Post 2362519)
I’m aware of that, but irrelevant. They dipped by 5% - that’s a significant drop just from June, and it’s clearly to do with the Crown.

I dont think its helped but the show doesnt IMO give a very charming portrait of the queen, for example yet her ratings are OK. IN the clips I've seen she's always snarling and snapping at people in a way that I think she is much too reserved and polite to be....Charles has lost some of the ground he gained in the interim years since the very low times of the 1990s, but there may be other factors...He isn't old enough to be a grand old man, he has a son who has a nice pretty wife and family, and the queen's fairly popular...He is perceived as stuffy and a bit interfering, as well as "unfaithful to Diana".

An Ard Ri 12-23-2020 05:35 AM

A look back at Season 3 behind the scenes during filming in Wales.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8zVGtklspg

An Ard Ri 12-27-2020 05:38 AM

Ok so I started Season 4 on Christmas night and Gillian Anderson is simply amazing as the Iron Lady and my favourite character so far.

Where are Diana's parents they were mentioned but have not appeared onscreen so far.

All the queen mother seems to do is drink and watch tv.

An Ard Ri 02-03-2021 09:37 AM

Actress Gillian Anderson who played Margaret Thatcher in Season 4 shared some funny behind the scenes photos to mark Olivia Colman's recent 47th birthday!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...-birthday.html

Gillian reaction to Members of the cast dancing to Lizzo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl1JsZBDjBo

An Ard Ri 03-01-2021 06:46 AM

The Crown was named Best Drama at last nights Golden Globe Awards and also award for Gillian Anderson as Best Supporting Actress.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...an-accent.html

QueenMathilde 03-01-2021 06:50 AM

How did that actress who looks nothing like Princess Diana win an award for playing Princess Diana?

JR76 03-01-2021 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by QueenMathilde (Post 2374514)
How did that actress who looks nothing like Princess Diana win an award for playing Princess Diana?

She won the award for her acting not for her looks.

QueenMathilde 03-01-2021 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JR76 (Post 2374516)
Because it's an award for acting not for similar looks.


Then why bother putting her in makeup and a bad wig? Just let her look like herself and play Diana.

Mbruno 03-01-2021 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri (Post 2374512)
The Crown was named Best Drama at last nights Golden Globe Awards and also award for Gillian Anderson as Best Supporting Actress.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...an-accent.html


The Crown actually swept most of the awards in the TV drama series category

Denville 03-01-2021 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno (Post 2374518)
The Crown actually swept most of the awards in the TV drama series category

how bad were teh other dramas?

Osipi 03-01-2021 07:16 AM

All I'll say is that I never thought the acting was outstanding in "The Crown" at all. If this is Golden Globe excellence, then the quality of acting expected in programming has really sunk to a new low. :biggrin:

Denville 03-01-2021 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 2374529)
All I'll say is that I never thought the acting was outstanding in "The Crown" at all. If this is Golden Globe excellence, then the quality of acting expected in programming has really sunk to a new low. :biggrin:

script is bad, acting is bad, its wildly inaccurate.. the other dramas must be truly dire...

JR76 03-01-2021 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by QueenMathilde (Post 2374517)
Then why bother putting her in makeup and a bad wig? Just let her look like herself and play Diana.

Because trying to create an illusion of the person they play is what actors have done for the last 3000 years.


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