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QUEENECE29 12-04-2012 06:24 AM

Poll : Kate & William's First Baby
 
Girl
Boy
Twins (girl - boy)
Twins boy
Twins girl




https://www.helloonline.com/royalty/2...kate-pregnant/

Lenora 12-04-2012 07:07 AM

It will be nice to see such a poll on TRF.

QUEENECE29 12-04-2012 12:06 PM

my vote go to baby girl

Biri 12-04-2012 12:31 PM

And mine too;Girls rule!

NGalitzine 12-04-2012 01:33 PM

I vote for a future king

hkittybaby 12-04-2012 01:37 PM

I vote for a liitle girl :) A future queen!!

Kit 12-04-2012 01:38 PM

Girl I just have the feeling.

Duke-of-Earl 12-04-2012 01:40 PM

Healthy baby but I'm hoping for a boy hehehe

EchoLynn 12-04-2012 01:41 PM

I would love a Queen... ;)

Duke-of-Earl 12-04-2012 01:42 PM

I think girl power is influencing the results :lol:

Poolbabe 12-04-2012 01:53 PM

I hope for a healthy baby!!! But a little girl would be lovely!!!!

LadyGabrielle 12-04-2012 02:23 PM

I think she is having a boy.

soapstar 12-04-2012 02:25 PM

A healthy baby girl!

DukeOfAster 12-04-2012 02:28 PM

Two Kings in a row and the next will be Catherine Elizabeth Diana Francis.

Osipi 12-04-2012 02:42 PM

I'm just hoping for a happy healthy baby.

Seeing as the male determines the sex of the child, We've seen The Queen and Philip produce 3 boys and 1 girl and then Charles with 2 boys. I think by that kind of logic it will be a boy.

Artemisia 12-04-2012 02:43 PM

I have a feeling it's going to be a boy.
Pretty sure Kate isn't expecting twins though.

Lenora 12-04-2012 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artemisia (Post 1489786)
I have a feeling it's going to be a boy.
Pretty sure Kate isn't expecting twins though.

I agree about twins and I am also thinking that the next year will be the one of boys.

AV7 12-04-2012 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osipi (Post 1489785)
I'm just hoping for a happy healthy baby.

Seeing as the male determines the sex of the child, We've seen The Queen and Philip produce 3 boys and 1 girl and then Charles with 2 boys. I think by that kind of logic it will be a boy.

That's interesting, I didn't think about it. I imagine the papers will be full of things like that for the next two months until they find out.

hkittybaby 12-04-2012 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke-of-Earl (Post 1489758)
I think girl power is influencing the results :lol:

I'm hoping for a little girl! And her mummy's name would be just perfect:flowers:

LipGloss 12-04-2012 04:02 PM

I say it's going to be a healthy baby girl,
That's what my feeling is telling me

Blue_ 12-04-2012 04:07 PM

This is totally of subject but... : Not to be rude but I felt guilty when I didn't voted for " As long as the baby is healthy, it doesn't matter! " . I mean, of course it doesn't matter that much. And, I hope so, everybody wants a healthy baby... :smile:
The question is "what do you think the baby will be" or am I wrong? :smile: maybe "I don't know" is a better suggestion...

My mom has had 3 girls and 4 sons, and she was deadly sick the two times she had boy twins ... So I'm crossing fingers for a boy (Don't want Christian to be alone! :sad: and I want my daughters to fangirl about the British prince just like I did ;) ) and maybe two! :smile:

LadyCatharine 12-04-2012 04:29 PM

when she gets far along, the shape of her tummy will tell, if her tummy is small , a boy, if shes huge, which I doubt given her tiny frame a girl.
We will have to wait and see

Lumutqueen 12-04-2012 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyCatharine (Post 1489843)
when she gets far along, the shape of her tummy will tell, if her tummy is small , a boy, if shes huge, which I doubt given her tiny frame a girl.
We will have to wait and see

There is absolutely no truth in that.

Molly2101 12-04-2012 04:52 PM

I am voting for a girl, only as hyperemesis is often associated with girl pregnancies.

hkittybaby 12-04-2012 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molly2101 (Post 1489852)
I am voting for a girl, only as hyperemesis is often associated with girl pregnancies.

yes, it is! I had with both my daughters:sad:

padams2359 12-04-2012 05:07 PM

I think a girl. QE2 (privately) will be validated by knowing a woman will ascend, not by default. She will want a queen to pop up now and then down the line.

Daria_S 12-04-2012 07:59 PM

I'm thinking it might be a little girl. It would be nice to have a female in direct line of succession.

LadyCatharine 12-04-2012 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen (Post 1489851)
There is absolutely no truth in that.

Really?
It's worked for me...:whistling:

DCVO 12-04-2012 09:59 PM

I'm leaning towards girl.

Of course, any happy, healthy child(ren) is hoped for. As a preference point though, not boy-girl twins, please please please. A single child, or two children of the same gender, and we can hold. The line of inheritance won't need to be changed at a later date. They buy enough time for equal primogeniture laws to actually get passed in all the commonwealth countries before William and Catherine may try for another, so then there's no stress about the gender of the second round. But if it's girl-boy twins, with the girl born first, then her five-minute-younger brother will technically be ahead of her in line until the law gets changed. Which, just, a pain and a half, to do it retroactively.

roseroyal 12-04-2012 10:04 PM

I voted twins- boy/girl- fat chance I know, but that would be so :cool:
As long as baby/mum are healthy, I will be thrilled!

Mariel 12-04-2012 11:46 PM

Duke of Aster, I think you might have nailed it. Catherine Elizabeth Diana Frances. But what will they call little Princess Cathy? Has to have a nickname to distinguish her from her mom.
They could call her Cathleen but they aren't very Irish. Princess Cathleen would be fine,
but I doubt they can crack the tradition code that far.

Meadow 12-04-2012 11:59 PM

I voted girl I think a Queen after 2 Kings will be a welcome change. Twins is possible they seem to run in the Spencer family. Didn't the current Earl have twin girls? Don't know about the sex being determined by the fathers line in my family always gone the other way. My mother had 3 boys and a girl and so did my sister in the exact order. Not sure if we will find out before the birth they do like to keep secrets. A healthy baby is a given to me that is what everyone wants.

HRHHermione 12-05-2012 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meadow (Post 1489985)
I voted girl I think a Queen after 2 Kings will be a welcome change. Twins is possible they seem to run in the Spencer family. Didn't the current Earl have twin girls? Don't know about the sex being determined by the fathers line in my family always gone the other way. My mother had 3 boys and a girl and so did my sister in the exact order. Not sure if we will find out before the birth they do like to keep secrets. A healthy baby is a given to me that is what everyone wants.

Actually wow- I didn't realize it but yes, they seem to. Apparently Diana's maternal grandfather was a twin.

I'm still going to treat it as extremely unlikely to occur, but it would certainly be special!

Ephram 12-05-2012 01:00 AM

Deep down I'm hoping for a boy but intuition tells me most probably girl which I voted anyway. But if a boy then it will be great.

AnnEliza 12-05-2012 02:04 AM

I voted for just a healthy baby. But since Prince Charles had two boys, I'd love to see a little girl!

Jacknch 12-05-2012 02:07 AM

Triplets!!!!!

OK, so maybe not triplets then, but I really cannot think what will happen! Twins would be a nice interesting result. Everyone I know has had girls and so on that basis alone it could be a girl....but on the other hand it could just as well be a boy if chance has anything to do with it.

I do not think we will find out until the birth though!

Kellydofc 12-05-2012 03:04 AM

There seems to be a run of girls at the moment. Princess Estelle of Sweden being the latest addition. For the sake of Prince Christian I'm going to hope for a boy.

dazzling 12-05-2012 04:08 AM

A girl would be great but all the future heir's are girls so I would like a boy.
Voted for as long as its a healthy baby.

Bine221 12-05-2012 05:46 AM

GIRL!!!!
BYe Bine

Lumutqueen 12-05-2012 05:54 AM

I hope it's a Boy :)

hkittybaby 12-05-2012 06:11 AM

TEAM PINK I'm pretty sure

madeleineleigh 12-05-2012 06:31 AM

Hoping for a girl. Perfect way to kick off equal primogeniture.

hkittybaby 12-05-2012 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madeleineleigh (Post 1490042)
Hoping for a girl. Perfect way to kick off equal primogeniture.

I think exactly the same :flowers: and after two kings it would be wonderful to have another queen

Burzg 12-05-2012 08:33 AM

A girl will be great. :flowers:

salma 12-05-2012 09:02 AM

IŽd like a girl

Princess B 12-05-2012 12:53 PM

I hope she has a boy. I'm old fashioned and do not like the absolute primogeniture thing. I prefer male preference primogeniture.

regardez 12-05-2012 02:18 PM

I want her to have twins! A boy and a girl with the boy born first. (Just because I think in this day and age people are harsher on females!) But I voted for "as long as the baby is healthy, it doesn't matter". :)

PrincessKaimi 12-05-2012 03:04 PM

Oddly phrased poll. Obviously, we all want the baby to be healthy (and that's not what the poll asked). Nevertheless, I chose that answer as it appeared to be the sane thing to do.

As to predicting, I think it will be twins. I think this for several reasons, and I'm leaning toward twin girls. That's just because of the statistical correlation between girls, twins and HG. I'd need to know more about her medical condition (how severe is the HG?)

Otherwise, I'd say it is twins, but a boy and a girl. So if I had to bet, I'd bet on boy/girl or girl/boy.

kathia_sophia 12-05-2012 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyCatharine (Post 1489921)
Really?
It's worked for me...:whistling:

considering its 50/50 probability, its obvious it worked for many though. but speaking scientifically, there is no truth about that. speaking personally, in my family my aunt had 3 pregnancies, all girls, all diferent bumps...

Kotroman 12-05-2012 05:35 PM

Well, I've just phoned the hospital and the nurse told me the Duchess is having twin boys. There, matter settled :biggrin:

HRHHermione 12-05-2012 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kotroman (Post 1490273)
Well, I've just phoned the hospital and the nurse told me the Duchess is having twin boys. There, matter settled :biggrin:

I'd add more smiley faces and maybe a big asterisk that says you're joking, or you'll be quoted as a source by one of the tabloids

:rofl:

Kotroman 12-05-2012 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HRHHermione (Post 1490275)
I'd add more smiley faces and maybe a big asterisk that says you're joking, or you'll be quoted as a source by one of the tabloids

:rofl:

Who says I'm joking? :whistling:








:rofl: :rofl:

hkittybaby 12-05-2012 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kotroman (Post 1490278)
Who says I'm joking? :whistling:








:rofl: :rofl:

I've just ponhed the hospital too and another nurse told me she's expecting twin girls:tongue: so who is joking???:eek:

Marika86 12-06-2012 04:16 PM

I think it's a girl.

HRHHermione 12-06-2012 04:19 PM

You know, the more I think on it- the more I think it's going to be a boy. Not sure why.

King of the Jungle 12-06-2012 05:36 PM

I'm hoping for a healthy baby but I'm guessing it will be a boy.
I think that it is time for a male great grand child to be born after the two beautiful girls of Peter and Autumn Phillips.

For the five generations preceding this newborn's predicted reign, all monarchs will have been the first born of their family (except George VI after Edward married Wallis Simpson - but George VI was second/next born.)
So, for many generations a girl has not been over looked for a younger brother. Even Queen Victoria was first born, though her own first born daughter did not inherit the throne. (She did become Empress of Germany which might have made her cease to be in the line to inherit the throne anyway.??)

hkittybaby 12-06-2012 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marika86 (Post 1490648)
I think it's a girl.

definitely a little princess is on the way:princess:

GrammaSueSue 12-06-2012 08:24 PM

I think it is a boy, since both Duke and Duchess wore Blue today! LOL:)

Frelinghighness 12-06-2012 08:25 PM

What is the old wives' tale about how the mother looks? Because Kate has never looked so beautiful.
Just looked it up.
A girl steals it's mother's beauty, it's a boy!

KPWillie 12-06-2012 09:15 PM

Time for a little Princess 🌹

hkittybaby 12-07-2012 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frelinghighness (Post 1490720)
What is the old wives' tale about how the mother looks? Because Kate has never looked so beautiful.
Just looked it up.
A girl steals it's mother's beauty, it's a boy!

And about the sickness? When the mother is really sick like Kate the baby is a girl. And if the mother suffered with hyperemesis and went hospitalized, she is more likely to have a girl than a boy. And there are a lot of studies that comprove that :tongue: I had Hyperemsis with both my daughters, and it was awful!! I went hospitalized during my first pregnancy :eek: I remember my mother predicted the sex of my daughters because I vomited a lot;) So: A Royal Baby Girl is on the way!!

hkittybaby 12-07-2012 07:30 AM

Duchess of Cambridge 'will give birth to a girl' who will grow to 5ft 10ins, studies suggest - Telegraph#

Biri 12-07-2012 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrammaSueSue (Post 1490718)
I think it is a boy, since both Duke and Duchess wore Blue today! LOL:)

But I heard that no sooner than in the 14th week of pregnancy a sex of the baby is possible to discern, and Catherine is less than 14 weeks still.

hkittybaby 12-07-2012 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biri (Post 1490868)
But I heard that no sooner than in the 14th week of pregnancy a sex of the baby is possible to discern, and Catherine is less than 14 weeks still.

Yes, it doesn't make sense! they don't even know the baby's gender! It will be a little princess

Archduchess Zelia 12-07-2012 08:18 AM

I'm thinking it'll be a girl too, but it doesn't really matter as long as the baby's healthy. I don't, however, care for all the different ways to "predict" the sex of the baby. When expecting, my cousins bump was low and she looked as beautiful as always - and she ended up giving birth to a sweet baby girl. So those sayings are just plain coincidences IMO.

Sister Morphine 12-07-2012 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess B (Post 1490176)
I hope she has a boy. I'm old fashioned and do not like the absolute primogeniture thing. I prefer male preference primogeniture.

Just for my own curiosity, why is it you feel women are inferior to men in this regard? You clearly think women are not fit to rule *unless* there is no son to take their place. Never thought I'd hear such antiquated musings in the 21st century.

In any event, my vote is for a girl. It would be interesting to see what they do with the title "Prince of Wales" in that event. Will they abolish the title since it's not gender neutral, or will new Letters Patent create a "Princess of Wales" title if the heir apparent is female? I know Elizabeth I was once called "Princess of Wales" but is there any more modern examples of female heirs being given that title?

semisquare 12-07-2012 02:31 PM

here is a name combo..Elizabeth Frances Katherine Willia
if they have a daughter can their daughter be Elizabeth III?

semisquare 12-07-2012 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frelinghighness
What is the old wives' tale about how the mother looks? Because Kate has never looked so beautiful.
Just looked it up.
A girl steals it's mother's beauty, it's a boy!
lol i've never heard that..i would like them to have a princess

AV7 12-08-2012 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semisquare (Post 1491062)
here is a name combo..Elizabeth Frances Katherine Willia
if they have a daughter can their daughter be Elizabeth III?

Of course, which ever name they choose, be it Elizabeth (Elizabeth III), Victoria (Victoria II), Mary (Mary III) and so on, or alternatively a name which is yet to be used by a Queen regnant in which case she won't have a number next to it.

martina 12-09-2012 06:00 AM

Voted for healthy baby, but hope it will future Queen!

semisquare 12-10-2012 09:48 PM

what are the chances they will release ultrasound pics?

NGalitzine 12-10-2012 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semisquare (Post 1492404)
what are the chances they will release ultrasound pics?

0.00000000000000000000000001%

Why would anyone who values their privacy do such a thing?

AdmirerUS 12-10-2012 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semisquare (Post 1492404)
what are the chances they will release ultrasound pics?

This is just my opinion. Given that the couple's experience with the press since (apparently) starting to try to have a baby has been a real downer - there is no chance this will happen.

We will be lucky if we get many photo ops with Catherine in the next 7 months if the media doesn't chill out and quit hounding anyone with anything to do with the pregnancy.

semisquare 12-14-2012 05:24 PM

i cant wait for her next official apperance other than that i hope they have a healthly baby

camelot23ca 12-14-2012 05:39 PM

I would say the chances of William and Kate releasing ultrasound pictures is less than zero, but, given the insanity that's already surrounded this pregnancy, I think the chances of private information like ultrasound pictures somehow finding their way to the public domain are significantly higher than zero, unfortunately.

corazon 12-14-2012 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hkittybaby (Post 1490703)
definitely a little princess is on the way:princess:


yes, for me is a little girl too.:flowers:

hkittybaby 12-14-2012 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corazon (Post 1494018)
yes, for me is a little girl too.:flowers:

probably a little Diana :flowers:

laram819 12-14-2012 07:34 PM

With the gender determined by the father and the predominance of boys directly in line to the throne I believe it will be a boy - I would love a girl but ----

Queen Camilla 12-15-2012 01:10 AM

Before she conceived I thought she'll have a boy 1st then a girl. But now I'm leaning towards a girl. But twins a boy and girl will work.

I voted, it doesn't matter as long as the baby is healthy.

wymanda 12-15-2012 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeOfAster (Post 1489780)
Two Kings in a row and the next will be Catherine Elizabeth Diana Francis.

I know this discussion is well covered on another thread by I really hope they don't saddle a little princess with her grandmothers' first name. It is just such an emotive statement and will put her forever in the situation of being required (by the press & public) to live up to the name. Using Frances is just as much a tribute.

AnnEliza 12-15-2012 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hkittybaby (Post 1494034)
probably a little Diana :flowers:

No, not Diana!

sirhon11234 12-15-2012 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnEliza (Post 1494121)
No, not Diana!

Okay we get it...

I hope the baby or babies are born healthy. I believe there is a high chance Kate is carrying twins.

AnnEliza 12-15-2012 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirhon11234 (Post 1494127)
Okay we get it...

I hope the baby or babies are born healthy. I believe there is a high chance Kate is carrying twins.

Why twins, do you think? It would be cool, though.

Burzg 12-15-2012 04:48 AM

I think the baby is a girl, because she is prettier now, and when the pregnant lady is more pretty than always then she is pregnant with a girl.

Lumutqueen 12-15-2012 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semisquare (Post 1492404)
what are the chances they will release ultrasound pics?

Zero. Nobody would do something that stupid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burzg (Post 1494155)
I think the baby is a girl, because she is prettier now, and when the pregnant lady is more pretty than always then she is pregnant with a girl.

That's worse than the bump up bump down theory. Priceless!

Archduchess Zelia 12-15-2012 10:12 AM

Wouldn't they announce if she was carrying twins? The DRF did when Mary was pregnant with Vincent and Josephine.

Duke-of-Earl 12-15-2012 10:31 AM

I think the British people will be quite content to find out the gender of the baby and if twins are to come only if and when the couple want to share that information.
Thankfully TRH are very 'British' about their personal space and privacy.

corazon 12-15-2012 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hkittybaby (Post 1494034)
probably a little Diana :flowers:

why not diana????
ALL the queen grandchildren have they grandmother's names.
zara, beatrice, louise.

hkittybaby 12-15-2012 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corazon (Post 1494253)
why not diana????
ALL the queen grandchildren have they grandmother's names.
zara, beatrice, louise.

I don't see any problem in naming the baby Diana too:flowers: I think it would be wonderful

hkittybaby 12-15-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia (Post 1494237)
Wouldn't they announce if she was carrying twins? The DRF did when Mary was pregnant with Vincent and Josephine.

yes, I'm sure she's not having twins. In SJP statement it was referred as a baby, ONE BABY.

corazon 12-15-2012 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hkittybaby (Post 1494257)
I don't see any problem in naming the baby Diana too:flowers: I think it would be wonderful

Of course, my friend! will be loverly! :flowers:

Archduchess Zelia 12-15-2012 11:15 AM

Queen Diana? Really?
Poor child is all I say, think of all the endless comparisons to Princess Diana the 'little new Diana' would face. I'm sure William and Catherine will honour Diana by giving a daughter her name as a middle name, but as a first name ... for the sake of the kid, I really hope they don't.

hkittybaby 12-15-2012 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia (Post 1494237)
Wouldn't they announce if she was carrying twins? The DRF did when Mary was pregnant with Vincent and Josephine.

I'm sure she's not expecting twins. In SJP statemenet they referred as a baby, ONE BABY see:
"Their Royal Highnesses The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are very pleased to announce that The Duchess of Cambridge is expecting a baby.
The Queen, The Duke of Edinburgh, The Prince of Wales, The Duchess of Cornwall and Prince Harry and members of both families are delighted with the news.
The Duchess was admitted this afternoon to King Edward VII Hospital in Central London with Hyperemesis Gravidarum. As the pregnancy is in its very early stages, Her Royal Highness is expected to stay in hospital for several days and will require a period of rest thereafter. " if she was carrying twins would do the same the DRF did

Bensgal 12-15-2012 11:25 AM

I'm just hoping for a healthy baby and mother and I'm probably in the minority by not wanting nor believing we need to know all the details of the pregnancy. Sometimes, a bit of mystery or secrecy is nice.

miche 12-15-2012 11:26 AM

When do ultrasounds typically show two heart beats? That all depend whether or not she had an ultrasounds before they wrote that press release and whether it was able to pick up a second heart beat this early.

They might release more information about the due date when she's 12 weeks.

corazon 12-15-2012 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia (Post 1494261)
Queen Diana? Really?
Poor child is all I say, think of all the endless comparisons to Princess Diana the 'little new Diana' would face. I'm sure William and Catherine will honour Diana by giving a daughter her name as a middle name, but as a first name ... for the sake of the kid, I really hope they don't.

well, we have to wait untill the baby born, I only said that the quen grandaughthers have they grandmother's names, I the another post I forgotten savannah and isla

SLV 12-15-2012 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miche (Post 1494268)
When do ultrasounds typically show two heart beats? That all depend whether or not she had an ultrasounds before they wrote that press release and whether it was able to pick up a second heart beat this early.

They might release more information about the due date when she's 12 weeks.

You can already see the baby's heartbeat when you are 5 weeks along (and the foetus is just 5 mm long at that point, quite amazing!).

hkittybaby 12-15-2012 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miche (Post 1494268)
When do ultrasounds typically show two heart beats? That all depend whether or not she had an ultrasounds before they wrote that press release and whether it was able to pick up a second heart beat this early.

They might release more information about the due date when she's 12 weeks.

I expect they release more information maybe at Christmas when she will be 12 weeks

hkittybaby 12-15-2012 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corazon (Post 1494270)
well, we have to wait untill the baby born, I only said that the quen grandaughthers have they grandmother's names, I the another post I forgotten savannah and isla

Probably it won't be her first name, but could be a middle name. and I don't see any problem with that too:flowers: I think it would be a lovely tribute

miche 12-15-2012 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLV (Post 1494279)
You can already see the baby's heartbeat when you are 5 weeks along (and the foetus is just 5 mm long at that point, quite amazing!).

When do most get their first ultrasound? This one say 12 weeks (that might just be for Americans) https://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-b...l#slide=306885


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