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dazzling 09-11-2012 01:59 AM

State Visit from the President of Indonesia: October 31-November 2, 2012
 
State Visit From Indonesia: October 31 - November 2, 2012

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THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS ISSUED BY THE PRESS SECRETARY TO THE QUEEN

7 September 2012

The President of the Republic of Indonesia, Dr Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, has accepted an invitation from The Queen to pay a State Visit to the United Kingdom from 31 October to 2 November 2012.

The President will be accompanied by Mrs. Yudhoyono and will stay at Buckingham Palace.

Source: royal.gov.uk

yu_dhiz 10-28-2012 07:45 AM

Preparing Queen Elizabeth II Welcomes President Yudhoyono of Indonesia
 
Soon, exactly on 31 October to 2 November 2012. President of the Republic of Indonesia, DR.H.Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono with First Lady will been to United Kingdom. This visit marks 33 years of visits Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Phillip to Indonesia. And mark also visits the President of the Republic of Indonesia the Second, General Suharto to United Kingdom.

The invitation of Queen Elizabeth II to President Yudhoyono is directly given Prime Minister David Cameron as He visits Indonesia. While in London, England, President Yudhoyono and His entourage will stay at Buckingham Palace. The official residence of Queen Elizabeth II and Her Family. And this is the second time, Leader of Indonesia to stay at Buckingham Palace.

Special invitation of Queen Elizabeth II to President Yudhoyono is not just ordinary invitation. Given that this year is still in order Diamond Jubilee the Queen. Queen Elizabeth II invited only two Heads of State. First President Yudhoyono of Indonesia and second Amir of Kuwait.

Actually, the relationship between the UK and Indonesia has existed for 2 centuries. It was on the mark with the arrival of Sir Thomas Stamford Raffles in Java in 1811. Sir Thomas Stamford Raffles was not alone. He along with the Royal Navy landed in the Bay of Batavia under the direction of Gilbert Eliot and Lord Minto. After landing in the Bay of Batavia. British Navy expel the Dutch Army when it was in power. Through Tuntang agreement (Perjanjian Tuntang), the Dutch handed over to the British Batavia. And the date of 17 September 1811 the Dutch did not have power in Indonesia.

Actually, a few years after Indonesia's independence, Queen Elizabeth II, who was then sitting as the new Queen of England and the Commonwealth had invited the First President of Indonesia, Ir.Soekarno. However, because of President Sukarno, who still hated invaders. Soekarno then sent Minister (I forget His name) to fulfill the invitation. Actually the invitation to attend the Coronation Princess Elizabeth as Queen of the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth.

But Queen Elizabeth II did not flinch. In 1974, Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Phillip visit to Indonesia. Countries that are not so Commonwealth. And gladly, President Soeharto greet the Queen of England. Then a 5-year precisely in 1979, President Soeharto at the end of November reciprocate the visit of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip. When Queen Elizabeth II visited Indonesia, aboard the Queen and the Prince of the Kingdom. And when President Soeharto and Ibu Tien Soeharto to England.

Heads of State and First Lady Indonesia uses Railways. At Victoria Station, President Soeharto and the First Lady on welcome instantly by the Queen. From Victoria Station towards Buckingham Palace, President Soeharto use Horse Carriage accompanied Queen Elizabeth II.

And how does the story of the President and First Lady of the Republic of Indonesia after 33 Years ? We will wait for 31 October to 2 November 2012.


Please Visit My Youtube Channel. And Click Like If You Love My Video. When There Errors In Writing. I Hereby Humility Sorry That as Sincerely. :sad: :flowers: Ahead of The Arrival of The President of the Republic of Indonesia to the UK - YouTube

AdmirerUS 10-28-2012 09:09 AM

Thank you for all this background information! :flowers:

yu_dhiz 10-28-2012 10:10 AM

Sama-sama. I mean You're welcome :-p

Artemisia 10-29-2012 07:08 AM

Thank you indeed for the background and especially the video. :flowers:
The thread for the Indonesian state visit already exists though - State Visit From Indonesia: October 31 - November 2, 2012. :smile:

yu_dhiz 10-29-2012 06:56 PM

I Know :-p Thank's for remembering Me :-)




This is State Visit Programme of President Yudhoyono in UK :




Wednesday, 31 October 2012

Morning
The President of the Republic of Indonesia and Mrs. Yudhoyono are met at their hotel by The Duke of York on behalf of The Queen.
Afternoon
Ceremonial Welcome attended by The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh on Horse Guards followed by State Drive to Buckingham Palace
Luncheon and exchange of presents
Visit to Westminster Abbey
Meeting with The Prince of Wales at Clarence House

Evening
Call at Buckingham Palace by the Leader of the Liberal Democrats
Call at Buckingham Palace by the Leader of the Opposition
State Banquet at Buckingham Palace




Thursday, 1 November 2012

Morning
The President attends United Nations High Level Panel on Post Millennium Development Goals at Marlborough House
Mrs. Yudhoyono visits the Royal Botanic Gardens

Afternoon
Visit to the Palace of Westminster by the President and Mrs. Yudhoyono.
Visit to No. 10 Downing Street by the President.
Mrs. Yudhoyono visits the Royal Collection
Visit to the Royal College of Defence Studies by the President and Mrs. Yudhoyono.

Evening
The President attends a United Nations High Level Panel on Post Millennium Development Goals Press Conference and Reception at No. 10 Downing Street
Reception and Banquet at Guildhall




Friday, 2 November 2012

Morning
Formal Farewells at Buckingham Palace
Address to Wilton Park at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, attended by the President and Mrs. Yudhoyono

Afternoon
The President visits the Indonesia Business Forum at St. James’s Palace
Mrs. Yudhoyono visits the Tower of London



Photo by Me :
https://instagram.com/p/RW7xAbny2-/

Starting Towards London, United Kingdom from Halim Perdanakusuma Military Airfield. Removing the departure of President Yudhoyono of Vice President Boediono.
https://www.presidensby.info/index.ph...il/3018/19631/

Before Departing to London, President Yudhoyono Giving Press Releases
https://www.presidensby.info/index.ph...il/3019/19632/


President Yudhoyono with Delegation Arriving at Heathrow Airport, London, UK
https://www.presidensby.info/index.ph...il/3020/19636/

Dman 10-31-2012 12:56 PM

Pictures:
The Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's State Visit To The UK - Day One:
Queen Elizabeth II Pictures - The Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's State Visit To The UK - Day One - Zimbio

AdmirerUS 10-31-2012 01:18 PM

Here is a lovely photo of HM at the State Visit. Getty also has lots of images now.
https://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/155...5Ysm%2fg%3d%3d

Dman 10-31-2012 01:51 PM

Videos:
QUEEN WELCOMES INDONESIAN PRESIDENT ON STATE VISIT:
Home - ITNSource News

Dman 10-31-2012 02:14 PM

Pictures:
INDONESIA UK State Visit 2012:
Getty Images - Search: INDONESIA UK State Visit 2012


Queen welcomes President of Indonesia to Buckingham Palace on state visit | Mail Online

AdmirerUS 10-31-2012 02:20 PM

Here is the program for the Visit:
Indonesian State Visit, 31 October to 2 November 2012

Yet to come tonight - State Dinner (White tie, black tie?)

11/1 AM - UN Panel on Development for the President, visit to Royal Botanic Gardens for the First Lady
11/1 PM - Various visits together and solo to places like the Palace of Westminster, 10 Downing and the Royal Collection. The evening concludes with further Panel Discussions and a reception at Guildhall.
11/2 - Farewells to the Palace then on to an Address and visit to a Business Forum. The First Lady will also visit the Tower of London before an afternoon departure.

Dman 10-31-2012 04:27 PM

I'm guessing once The Duke & Duchess of Cambridge become full-time members of the royal family they will start attending these State Visits and State Banquets. No doubt they will be the main ones attending once Charles come to the throne.

Richard Palmer‏@RoyalReporter
William, Kate, Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie don't do UK state banquets, we are constantly told.

Lumutqueen 10-31-2012 04:35 PM

Info for the Banquet, we have tiaras people!

The Queen's wearing the Grand Duchess Vladimir of Russia Tiara, Sophie and Anne are wearing them aswell. Guests tonight are Charles, Andrew, Anne, Sophie, Edward and The Dukes of Gloucester and Kent.

Dman 10-31-2012 04:44 PM

Can't wait for pictures.

Lumutqueen 10-31-2012 04:53 PM

We have pictures;
Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono And His Wife
Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono And His Wife
Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono And His Wife

Princess Luna 10-31-2012 05:00 PM

Queen Elizabeth look fantastic :flowers:

PssKatie 10-31-2012 05:05 PM

What a beautiful gold dress on The Queen tonight! I think that's Sophie and Edward in the background, too...?

Lumutqueen 10-31-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PssKatie (Post 1478940)
What a beautiful gold dress on The Queen tonight! I think that's Sophie and Edward in the background, too...?

Sophie and Edward are attending the banquet yes. We have no ID on Sophie and Anne's tiaras as of yet.

Dman 10-31-2012 05:15 PM

I hope we get more pictures of the royals at the State Banquet.

EIIR 10-31-2012 05:18 PM

HM's sash doesn't exactly compliment the colour of her gown. Always nice to see the Grand Duchess Vladimir, however. Prince Philip's looking rather dashing too.

Duke-of-Earl 10-31-2012 05:26 PM

I am at a loss to explain why W&C aren't there. Turning a lot of people off , including myself. I had such high hopes for William and Catherine.

Daria_S 10-31-2012 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 1478862)
Pictures:
The Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's State Visit To The UK - Day One:
Queen Elizabeth II Pictures - The Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's State Visit To The UK - Day One - Zimbio

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Originally Posted by AdmirerUS (Post 1478865)
Here is a lovely photo of HM at the State Visit. Getty also has lots of images now.
https://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/155...5Ysm%2fg%3d%3d

Thank you for all the lovely pictures! Her Majesty looks absolutely gorgeous. That tiara is a stunner. Can't wait to see the ones on the Princess Royal and the Countess of Wessex.

Dman 10-31-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke-of-Earl (Post 1478951)
I am at a loss to explain why W&C aren't there. Turning a lot of people off , including myself. I had such high hopes for William and Catherine.

I think it's because they aren't full-time members of the royal family yet, so The Queen's not requesting their presence at these kind of events.

Duke-of-Earl 10-31-2012 05:38 PM

I'm getting tired of this 'full-time' royal stuff. W&C are 30 years old and William is 2nd in line to the throne. This only reinforces William's public perception as a reluctant king in waiting.

Starting to turn off these two.

Lumutqueen 10-31-2012 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 1478953)
I think it's because they aren't full-time members of the royal family yet, so The Queen's not requesting their presence at these kind of events.

I doubt it's because they're not full time working members, if they expressed an interest in being a part of this state visit they would have been allowed. They met the Obama's last year I believe.

They are simply not there because they do not wish to be, they pick and choose their events at will and on occasion it is to fit around William's work scheduele. I imagine they're at home in Wales having a nice cosy evening in after William's day at work. I never had any doubt that they wouldn't show.

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Originally Posted by Duke-of-Earl (Post 1478955)
I'm getting tired of this 'full-time' royal stuff. W&C are 30 years old and William is 2nd in line to the throne. This only reinforces William's public perception as a reluctant king in waiting.

Starting to turn off these two.

Whilst I agree that William or at least Catherine should show their faces a bit, it isn't doing a great deal to damage their image with the general public in the UK. Catherine is getting the flack a bit, but nobody minds William doing what he does. I'm sure plenty of people would shout for joy if Charles skipped what he earnt for his son. You get the 'always on holiday' comments and the 'waste of taxpayer's' money stuff but that comes around every time.

Molly2101 10-31-2012 05:47 PM

I wish we had more images, I want to see all the Tiara's! If Camilla isn't there, does it mean Sophie is the "2nd lady of the land" for the evening? I can see the Wessex duo in the background of the images.

I love the Royal men and their tails. They always looks handsome.

Dman 10-31-2012 05:47 PM

Well, I would find that weird if William & Catherine decided they just don't want to attend the State Visit Banquets. That's part of their royal role and helping The Queen fly the flag for Great Britian.

I think it was said the reason why they have yet to attend a State Banquet because they aren't full-time royals and that's one of the reasons why they didn't attend the Obama State Banquet. I think this is the reason BBC News royal correspondent Peter Hunt had menioned at the time.

Dman 10-31-2012 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke-of-Earl (Post 1478955)
I'm getting tired of this 'full-time' royal stuff. W&C are 30 years old and William is 2nd in line to the throne. This only reinforces William's public perception as a reluctant king in waiting.

Starting to turn off these two.

Duke-of-Earl, I know it's a frustrating but it's one of the reasons why I'm hoping the Cambridges will become full-time royals by next year. It was said that it should be announced sometime late this year on what they will do. Stay in the military or become full-time working royals. Then I guess we weill see them attend these kind of events and others.

Duke-of-Earl 10-31-2012 05:55 PM

:previous: Then become full-time royals, because W&C are turning me off and I am one of their biggest supporters.

William at 30 should be attending these events. With the ages of the Windsors, W&C could be in their 40s before we see them.

Dman 10-31-2012 06:06 PM

I'm one of their big supporters too.

Daria_S 10-31-2012 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke-of-Earl (Post 1478967)
:previous: Then become full-time royals, because W&C are turning me off and I am one of their biggest supporters.

William at 30 should be attending these events. With the ages of the Windsors, W&C could be in their 40s before we see them.

I wonder how much say Her Majesty has in who gets to attend these Banquets and who doesn't. She may feel that it's not necessary to have the Cambridges there for one reason or another, or maybe, no one wants the focus to be on what Catherine chose to wear this evening, and how her hair looked. I know that she doesn't go around asking for this attention, but the press certainly fixates on her choices of attire and what have you. It won't be fair to the visiting dignitaries, because the focus needs to be on them, and on the visit, and not on the Duchess's wardrobe choices. This being said, I'd love to see them out and about a little more often, but I don't blame them for wanting to be out of the limelight for just a little bit longer.

NGalitzine 10-31-2012 06:08 PM

I am not sure it is such a big deal that W&C are not there. The monarch, her husband, her daughter, 2 sons, a daughter in law and a couple of cousins are there in all their finery. That should suffice for an event that is not a public occassion and for which we rarely see many pics other than HM and Philip with the visiting head of state. W&C have a lifetime ahead of them that will be filled with such events, missing a few nowadays won't kill anyone.

HMQueenElizabethII 10-31-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Molly2101 (Post 1478960)
I wish we had more images, I want to see all the Tiara's! If Camilla isn't there, does it mean Sophie is the "2nd lady of the land" for the evening? I can see the Wessex duo in the background of the images.

I love the Royal men and their tails. They always looks handsome.

It's not always the case. With the Duchess of Cornwall not present tonight, I also had a thought that the Countess of Wessex would be sitting right next to the President, however, it was the Princess Royal while the Countess sat on the side tables. I got access to HQ images and apparently it looked like the Countess wore the aquamarine tiara from the Luxembourg wedding again, but i'm unfortunately not an expert on this area though.

suztav 10-31-2012 06:12 PM

It's about time that William, Catherine, Harry, Beatrice, and Eugenie attended these State Banquets. A room full of the "older" royals -- and, by the way, may I mention are cousins of the Queen not grandchildren -- no longer cuts it. It's OK that they attend, but we really need to see the "younger" generation step up.

And, another thing --- I hate to break it to the Andrew haters -- his daughters are princesses-of-the-blood and have every right to be there!

Molly2101 10-31-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HMQueenElizabethII (Post 1478972)
It's not always the case. With the Duchess of Cornwall not present tonight, I also had a thought that the Countess of Wessex would be sitting right next to the President, however, it was the Princess Royal while the Countess sat on the side tables. I got access to HQ images and apparently it looked like the Countess wore the aquamarine tiara from the Luxembourg wedding again, but i'm unfortunately not an expert on this area though.

I imagine it's perhaps one of those times when the Queen chooses the precedence. HQ images? You're lucky! Nice to see Sophie wearing the other tiara now, it was beautiful.

Lumutqueen 10-31-2012 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by suztav
It's about time that William, Catherine, Harry, Beatrice, and Eugenie attended these State Banquets. A room full of the "older" royals -- and, by the way, may I mention are cousins of the Queen not grandchildren -- no longer cuts it. It's OK that they attend, but we really need to see the "younger" generation step up.

And, another thing --- I hate to break it to the Andrew haters -- his daughters are princesses-of-the-blood and have every right to be there!

I'll bet a fiver that we never see Beatrice and Eugenie at a state banquet. They don't have the 'right' to be there. They can be there if they like but in all honesty with the hoo-ha around them it'll just create fuss.
I think you'll find Henry somewhat occupied at the minute.

cepe 10-31-2012 06:16 PM

I have , 1stly, a question - does anyone one know the order that the Queen's sash of gold/red (?) represent?

2ndly: Regarding William and Catherine. I think that if the Queen required their presence, she would request it. It is NOT for William and Catherine to decide which events they attend or not. We need to take into account seniority of decision-making.

The priority for the Cambridges is William's work in Anglesey - you may not agree/like/whatever - but HMQ and the PoW do approve it. So that is how it is.
Using their non-appearance to underpin a dislike of one or both of this couple is ridiculous as long as HMQ and PoW are content.

I'm not an expert but I think it is unlikely that Catherine will ever make an appearance at a formal state occasion such as this without William.

Fundamentally - these decisions are determined by the Queen and blaming William and Catherine is unfair, IMO

Duke-of-Earl 10-31-2012 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NGalitzine (Post 1478971)
I am not sure it is such a big deal that W&C are not there. The monarch, her husband, her daughter, 2 sons, a daughter in law and a couple of cousins are there in all their finery. That should suffice for an event that is not a public occassion and for which we rarely see many pics other than HM and Philip with the visiting head of state. W&C have a lifetime ahead of them that will be filled with such events, missing a few nowadays won't kill anyone.

But to the public, perception is everything. The subtleties of protocol is lost on them. Their perception of W&C, is they would rather be home eating pizza ans playing with their ipads, and that doesn't bode well for the future of the monarchy.

Daria_S 10-31-2012 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Molly2101 (Post 1478977)
HQ images? You're lucky! Nice to see Sophie wearing the other tiara now, it was beautiful.

I'd love to see those images. Would love to know which tiara Sophie wore this evening.

Dman 10-31-2012 06:22 PM

The royals don't skip official events because they are worried about who the media will pay attention to. If that was the case, we would've never seen Diana attend offical and State events back in the day, or we would have never seen the yound Princess Elizabeth attend official events with the King & Queen. If the Cambridges were due to attend this State Banquet, they would''ve been there. Attending these kind of events is part of their official role as future heads of state, regardless who the media focus on.

The Queen is the host of these events and she has the say on who will attend with the family. Those who do attend are full-time working members of the royal family. The Prince of Wales & Duchess of Cornwall, The Earl & Countess of Wessex, The Duke of York, The Princess Royal/husband, The Duke & Duchess of Gloucester and The Kents. The Duke & Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Henry are senior royals but their not full-time working royals and don't attend these events.

Dman 10-31-2012 06:29 PM

I agree, it would be nice to see the young royals start attending State events like this. I don't know about Princesses Beatrice & Eugenie because although they are Princesses of the Blood, they aren't officially working members of the royal family. William & Catherine and Prince Harry will attend these events in the future.

HMQueenElizabethII 10-31-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Molly2101 (Post 1478977)
I imagine it's perhaps one of those times when the Queen chooses the precedence. HQ images? You're lucky! Nice to see Sophie wearing the other tiara now, it was beautiful.

It means High Quality images. :flowers: Apparently it's not a particular photo focus on the Countess, it's a photo of the whole view of the Banquet, and I can spot the Countess's head on one of the tables. :smile: From the looking of it, it does not look like her wedding tiara but the shape resembles of the one worn in Luxembourg, so I guess it might be it.

COUNTESS 10-31-2012 06:32 PM

I am sure tha Catherine and William are, relieved, not to attend, these stuffy not productive, show pieces.

MagMil 10-31-2012 06:33 PM

https://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Q...NXtiQCfd9x.jpg
https://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Q...YOxQqkxIRx.jpg

NGalitzine 10-31-2012 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke-of-Earl (Post 1478982)
But to the public, perception is everything. The subtleties of protocol is lost on them. Their perception of W&C, is they would rather be home eating pizza ans playing with their ipads, and that doesn't bode well for the future of the monarchy.

I somehow doubt that the great British public know or care about a state visit by the President of Indonesia let alone worry about the lack of attendance by the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. They certainly couldn't name the gentleman and most would have a hard time finding his country on the map. Much ado about absolutely nothing.

Dman 10-31-2012 06:43 PM

Well, they might as well get ready for it because William & Catherine will be hosting these kind of events someday as King William & Queen Catherine. Also, they will be the main ones attending these State events with King Charles & Princess Consort/Queen Camilla.

The Queen has menioned in the documentary "Elizabeth R" that the royal family mantain these kind of events in honour of the Heads of State and to make them feel welcomed as much as possible. I think it's a beautiful event and very elegant. Something we don't see so often in this too modernized world.

I just wish the British royals would have more pictures taken at these State Banquets like the other European royals. I would be nice to be able to see some live coverage of the arrivals of the visiting Head of State, guest and the senior members of the royal family. I think that's one of the major thing the palace have to improve on. More media access to these events.

Molly2101 10-31-2012 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HMQueenElizabethII (Post 1478992)
It means High Quality images. :flowers: Apparently it's not a particular photo focus on the Countess, it's a photo of the whole view of the Banquet, and I can spot the Countess's head on one of the tables. :smile: From the looking of it, it does not look like her wedding tiara but the shape resembles of the one worn in Luxembourg, so I guess it might be it.

I did know it meant High Quality. I was just saying you were lucky to have seen them. It could very well be her wedding tiara, it's hard to tell unless we had a closer image. From the images we have seen it looks like Edward and Sophie are talking to Tim.

I think it's right that William, Harry, Catherine, Bea and Eugenie do not attend State Banquet's such as these; they are not working Royals. William, Harry and Catherine will obviously attend when they become full time Royals, but I doubt we'll ever see Beatrice and Eugenie at them.

EIIR 10-31-2012 07:32 PM

If the Queen felt that they should be there, they'd be there. She's the boss. She's also not afraid of telling William what to do (he wanted to wear his RAF uniform for his wedding, the Queen put her foot down and made him wear the Guards' tunic).

There has obviously been an agreed action plan as regards William and Kate's journey to being full-time working royals. I would be amazed if Charles and the Queen didn't have a say in all this. The plan (which Palace officials were very honest about) was that they would stay Anglesey and live a low key life with occasional royal duties, at least until William finished his current stint with SAR. If the Queen and Charles are comfortable with that, who are we to second guess them?

NGalitzine 10-31-2012 07:43 PM

Margaret Rhodes, the Queen's cousin, in her book The Final Curtsey talks about attending a state dinner in honour of the King of Malaysia. She was seated next to a gentleman who was supplying new sewer systems in Kuala Lumpur and he went on all evening about the ins and outs of sewage treatment, waste flows and piping all through dinner. I think I could easily pass on an evening like that in favor of pizza at home in Wales.

Duke-of-Earl 10-31-2012 07:56 PM

@EIIR. I agree the Queen has a plan regarding W&C, but public perception is another thing.
People I talk to think that William as 2nd in succession and the fact W&C are both 30, should be seen attending more state functions. Just my opinion.

AdmirerUS 10-31-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke-of-Earl (Post 1478951)
I am at a loss to explain why W&C aren't there. Turning a lot of people off , including myself. I had such high hopes for William and Catherine.

As the palace and the military have have reaffirmed a number of times for W and H both, they do their jobs first and fit the royal events in around all that. The days when the royals held cush jobs that really weren't much of a job in the military are over. When I see both these young men about their lives, they seem to be fine with this arrangement.

MichelleQ2 10-31-2012 09:10 PM

Regarding W&C's absence, I was hoping against hope that maybe we would see the at this event with little fanfare,but alas not the case. I do think the timing right now is all about Charles & Camilla's trip. Having W&C attend in such a high profile photo op, esp with Camilla absent would not bode well.

A side note...I do think it is nice that HM and the DoE had a chance to have all 4 of their children present...now that would be a nice picture.

Duke-of-Earl 10-31-2012 09:15 PM

I also agree the Firm is all about 'selling' Camilla as a royal and to the public and the Duchess of Cambridge would eclipse her if Catherine was to become a full-time Royal. Catherine is taking one for the 'Firm' by delaying her role as a working Royal.

PssKatie 10-31-2012 10:04 PM

Oh how I wish there were more photos out there of these events. From what I can see, The Princess Royal looks fantastic. I would LOVE to see a photo right now of The Countess of Wessex. She looks like she may be wearing a dress very similar to the one she wore to the gala dinner in Luxembourg.

William and Catherine aren't full-time royals, and there's really no need to have them at these state dinners for now. Give them time, I'm sure we'll see them in due course.

yu_dhiz 11-01-2012 02:35 AM

I apologize for the repetition threadnya. Thank you.

rosana 11-01-2012 02:58 AM

No pics of Sophie? How weird! She was at the back where HM was posing with the president.

maria-olivia 11-01-2012 06:56 AM

I wonder why you don’t gave the Banquet pictures , Princess Anne is sitting next to the President.

Dman 11-01-2012 09:14 AM

This is why I think the photographers and the cameramen need more palace access at these kind of State events. I know the pictures usually focus on The Queen & Duke of Edinburgh and the visiting Head of State and that's great but we would also like to see videos and pictures of the other guest and members of the royal family.

I like the way the Danish, Swedish, Spanish, Norwegian and others royals give the media access to these State occasions. They will make sure the photographers get their pictures and sometimes their is some Live Coverage. I think the Palace for the Britsih royals have to improve in this area.

muriel 11-01-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke-of-Earl (Post 1478951)
I am at a loss to explain why W&C aren't there. Turning a lot of people off , including myself.

Why? What have they done turn you off?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke-of-Earl (Post 1478951)
I had such high hopes for William and Catherine.

What have they done that has shattered your hopes?

msleiman 11-01-2012 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke-of-Earl (Post 1478982)
But to the public, perception is everything. The subtleties of protocol is lost on them. Their perception of W&C, is they would rather be home eating pizza ans playing with their ipads, and that doesn't bode well for the future of the monarchy.

You are 100 % correct! I love the royal family and have since 1980 but I am starting to wonder what these people are thinking! Will and Kate are and will be the face of the BRF! If people start to think that they skip out on everything what future are we looking at? I support the royal family 110% and I am starting to ask questions , what are the people that hate them saying? The Queen must get them to attend such high profile events. I feel that William and Kate need to get out there and press the flesh as they say or every day people get rid of the lazy next generation! The York girls do not have to worry about being full time royals but William,Kate and Harry do! I am sick of hearing they are not full time royals yet! So when do they become one because the British people pay to protect them as if they are!!!!! Please remember this is coming for a person from the US who sings God save the Queen! I don't hate them but I am worried that this can't go on much longer!

Dman 11-01-2012 01:47 PM

I know, UK State Visits are some of the best events and I look forward to them every year just like I look forward to the U.S. State Visits.

I know some people on the net are upset The Cambridges didn't show up and we didn't get more pictures of the royal family in their regalia. I think it's just fine that the royals that attended this State event are full-time royals but at least show them. The only pictures I seen so far are of The Queen & Duke of Edinburgh and The Princess Royal.

I guess we just have to face facts, The Cambridges won't show up until they are full-time members of the royal family. It's up to them to let us know when their current position will change.

I do think The Queen's Cameraman and other media outlets have to provide much more coverage at official State events like this because members of the public want to see and also royal watchers. We get more videos, pictures and Live Coverage at The White House State Dinners and Banquets than we do with British royal State Dinners and Banquets.

muriel 11-01-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by msleiman (Post 1479220)
You are 100 % correct! I love the royal family and have since 1980 but I am starting to wonder what these people are thinking! Will and Kate are and will be the face of the BRF! If people start to think that they skip out on everything what future are we looking at? I support the royal family 110% and I am starting to ask questions , what are the people that hate them saying? The Queen must get them to attend such high profile events. I feel that William and Kate need to get out there and press the flesh as they say or every day people get rid of the lazy next generation! The York girls do not have to worry about being full time royals but William,Kate and Harry do! I am sick of hearing they are not full time royals yet! So when do they become one because the British people pay to protect them as if they are!!!!! Please remember this is coming for a person from the US who sings God save the Queen! I don't hate them but I am worried that this can't go on much longer!

If HM and Charles are content with the current level of participation by Willian, Catherine and Harry, everybody else ought to be so. W, C & H do their duty by attempting events of national importance like Rememberance Sunday, the Troooping and the Jubilee. A State dinner for a visiting dignitary is hardly of the same ilk, IMO.

NGalitzine 11-01-2012 02:01 PM

I suppose the short answer is that William and Harry have full time jobs serving in the armed forces of the United Kingdom. Right now that is their primary role.
Catherine and William live primarily in Wales so there are logistical issues if they were to attempt a full time royal schedule based from there, blended with his SAR schedule. Harry is serving until next year in Afghanistan. Flying home to BP for a state dinner would be beyond ridiculous.
I also expect HM remembers fondly the days she was allowed to live quietly as a naval wife in Malta and thinks something similar would be good for William and Catherine. Best to make sure your marriage is sound before undertaking the full glare of daily media attention. There is also no pressing need for them to take on a full schedule of engagements, there are enough working royals as it is. I expect once William leaves the SAR and they take up residence in KP their schedule will fill up soon enough.
As for lack of attendance at this event, just what exactly have you missed? The event is basically private, the cameras are focussed solely on HM and her visitors. Any pics of other royals in attendace is pretty much accidental, like the back of Sophies head at the dinner table. State dinners are not photo ops, and other tham HM and the visitors, the other royals in attendance do not pose for pictures. Royal watchers have not missed out on anything.
As far as the public goes, aside from royals fanatics on these and similar boards, most people in the UK did not even know there was a state dinner at BP last night and would not have cared that William & Catherine were in Wales and not dining at BP. It is just not that big a deal.

msleiman 11-01-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 1479227)
If HM and Charles are content with the current level of participation by Willian, Catherine and Harry, everybody else ought to be so. W, C & H do their duty by attempting events of national importance like Rememberance Sunday, the Troooping and the Jubilee. A State dinner for a visiting dignitary is hardly of the same ilk, IMO.

I sorry but I don't think that it is just what HM and Charles think! When you are away from the public eye as much as they are people start to think that they can live with out them! If them all show up to less than 75 events a year then there will be a problem in the future. We are not just talking about this one event or even ten events, we are talking about putting the future king and queen on the back burner. I have gotten myself out of bed at 4am to watch events! I am not a person that wants to see this but I can understand that the less they are around the less people will care! I find myself wondering if they will ever become full time royals, I find myself giving up on them and as a American it may not mean much but as I said before if I feel this way, what do the people that hate the royal family saying! We have to look at the whole picture and for the past two years very little has been seen of them.

Duke-of-Earl 11-01-2012 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 1479184)
Why? What have they done turn you off?




What have they done that has shattered your hopes?

Let me be clear, I am a monarchist to my fingertips and love William and Catherine but as the future face of the BRF, they should be out and about more.
I realise William is in the RAF but he does get time off for royal duties and lets face it, at 30 W&C aren't exactly babes in the woods.

I just feel they are missing out on invaluable chances to learn from the Queen.
The BRF is way tooooo bloated and IMO it is time for the younger royals to assume a prominent role and older members to 'retire'
I seriously question HM's and Charles' judgement in this matter (except may be Charles doesn't want he and Camilla overshadowed by the glamorous Cambridges)

NGalitzine 11-01-2012 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by msleiman (Post 1479231)
I sorry but I don't think that it is just what HM and Charles think! When you are away from the public eye as much as they are people start to think that they can live with out them! If them all show up to less than 75 events a year then there will be a problem in the future. We are not just talking about this one event or even ten events, we are talking about putting the future king and queen on the back burner. I have gotten myself out of bed at 4am to watch events! I am not a person that wants to see this but I can understand that the less they are around the less people will care! I find myself wondering if they will ever become full time royals, I find myself giving up on them and as a American it may not mean much but as I said before if I feel this way, what do the people that hate the royal family saying! We have to look at the whole picture and for the past two years very little has been seen of them.

Somehow this seems of much greater concern to people outside of the UK than inside the country. People in the UK know that both William and Harry have primary careers in the armed forces, and respect them for it. While people enjoy seeing William and Catherine undertake official duties I don't think there is any real clamour to see them cutting ribbons and inspecting regiments every day and certainly none to see Catherine decked out in a tiara every day. There is also something to be said for rarity of appearance making an appearance seem all that more important.
I think royal fans on these and other boards get their perspective on life a little skewed after awhile.
Once William gives up his SAR career and they move full time to KP you will all likely get your deepest wishes and see William and Catherine on a much more regular basis and then you can dish the dirt on her hair, clothes, makeup, jewels to your hearts content.

Dman 11-01-2012 02:23 PM

The Queen's speech at the Indonesian State Banquet, 31 October 2012:
The Queen's speech at the Indonesian State Banquet, 31 October 2012

The Royal Collection Display for the State Visit:
Indonesian State Visit Display

Dman 11-01-2012 02:29 PM

The Queen will be hosting another State Visit later this month. The Amir of the State of Kuwait will pay a State Visit to the United Kingdom and stay at Windsor Castle. From the 27 of November to the 29th.

HereditaryPrincess 11-01-2012 02:36 PM

I like this one of the Queen shaking hands with the President of Indonesia:

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Does anyone know what order HM's sash is?

msleiman 11-01-2012 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NGalitzine (Post 1479234)
Somehow this seems of much greater concern to people outside of the UK than inside the country. People in the UK know that both William and Harry have primary careers in the armed forces, and respect them for it. While people enjoy seeing William and Catherine undertake official duties I don't think there is any real clamour to see them cutting ribbons and inspecting regiments every day and certainly none to see Catherine decked out in a tiara every day. There is also something to be said for rarity of appearance making an appearance seem all that more important.
I think royal fans on these and other boards get their perspective on life a little skewed after awhile.
Once William gives up his SAR career and they move full time to KP you will all likely get your deepest wishes and see William and Catherine on a much more regular basis and then you can dish the dirt on her hair, clothes, makeup, jewels to your hearts content.

I think you saying that I have my perspective skewed is down right rude! Because I believe that they should work a little harder, I have the problem? If you look at the amount of post that I have posted over the years, you will see that I don't live to watch the royals! I guess that when people say something that other don't agree with it is OK to attack! I don't care about the cloths Kate wears or her hairstyle! I do care about the history of the BRF and its future! I guess the truth I speak and the concern of the truth can't be spoke out loud!

Duke-of-Earl 11-01-2012 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by msleiman (Post 1479239)
I think you saying that I have my perspective skewed is down right rude! Because I believe that they should work a little harder, I have the problem? If you look at the amount of post that I have posted over the years, you will see that I don't live to watch the royals! I guess that when people say something that other don't agree with it is OK to attack! I don't care about the cloths Kate wears or her hairstyle! I do care about the history of the BRF and its future! I guess the truth I speak and the concern of the truth can't be spoke out loud!

I agree with a lot of what you say.

Spheno 11-01-2012 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 1479238)
I like this one of the Queen shaking hands with the President of Indonesia:

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Does anyone know what order HM's sash is?

Star of the Republic of Indonesia, First Class (Riband and Star)

NGalitzine 11-01-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by msleiman (Post 1479239)
I think you saying that I have my perspective skewed is down right rude! Because I believe that they should work a little harder, I have the problem?

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So William should essentially have 2 full time jobs, SAR pilot and full time working royal? That is asking too much of any person I think. Head up to London to have dinner at BP, zip back to Wales for SAR duty then rush off to....anywhere else open a hospital, shake a few hands, smile for the cameras, zip back to Wales for more SAR duty. Tired, too bad, and so what if your being tired endangers someones life, we need to see you doing walk abouts and getting dressed up and smiling for the cameras every day. So what if we have been told early on that you would not be doing a full schedule of official duties, and that you would be living as an SAR pilot in Wales with your wife. So what if you had a posting in the Falklands, so what if you and your wife have done tours of Canada, LA, Malaysia, Tuvalu, Solomon Islands & Singapore, attended all the major Jubilee events and the Olympic events. Nope not enough. Every moment you are not in an SAR helicopter or on overseas tours, you should be out and about meeting and greeting and smiling for the cameras.:bang:

kathia_sophia 11-01-2012 03:28 PM

there is always not enough for some, and i must say they did attend lots of events even though W, H and C are not full time working royals yet and have military jobs going on. they must be really tired for working hard this summer and tour, a bit of break from the public eye is a must do while W is not the crown prince nor the King.

of course i understand the need to see them more often, even i want to see them badly at State events and when is one approaching, im always secretly hoping to see W and C. but we must understand is not the primary thing they need to do right now, im sure they will have plenty of those to the rest of their lives when the right time arrives.

An Ard Ri 11-01-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 1479235)
The Queen's speech at the Indonesian State Banquet, 31 October 2012:
The Queen's speech at the Indonesian State Banquet, 31 October 2012

The Royal Collection Display for the State Visit:
Indonesian State Visit Display

Thanks for posting,there are some lovely pieces in that display.

Duke-of-Earl 11-01-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NGalitzine (Post 1479245)
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So William should essentially have 2 full time jobs, SAR pilot and full time working royal? That is asking too much of any person I think. Head up to London to have dinner at BP, zip back to Wales for SAR duty then rush off to....anywhere else open a hospital, shake a few hands, smile for the cameras, zip back to Wales for more SAR duty. Tired, too bad, and so what if your being tired endangers someones life, we need to see you doing walk abouts and getting dressed up and smiling for the cameras every day. So what if we have been told early on that you would not be doing a full schedule of official duties, and that you would be living as an SAR pilot in Wales with your wife. So what if you had a posting in the Falklands, so what if you and your wife have done tours of Canada, LA, Malaysia, Tuvalu, Solomon Islands & Singapore, attended all the major Jubilee events and the Olympic events. Nope not enough. Every moment you are not in an SAR helicopter or on overseas tours, you should be out and about meeting and greeting and smiling for the cameras.:bang:

The Monarchy lives and dies by public opinion and many tabloids like to portray William as the 'reluctant' king in waiting and my fear is that it will become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Okay fair enough, he is in the RAF until 2013 and can use that as to why he isn't a working royal but if he re-enlists in 2013 many people, monarchists included will question whether his heart is into being a Royal.

NGalitzine 11-01-2012 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke-of-Earl (Post 1479272)
The Monarchy lives and dies by public opinion and many tabloids like to portray William as the 'reluctant' king in waiting and my fear is that it will become a self fulfilling prophecy.

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I would expect every heir, expect perhaps the most vain and ambitous, to be reluctant since it basically means that your grandmother and your father both have to die before you are monarch.

Jacknch 11-01-2012 04:57 PM

I am very happy with the level of official engagements that are currently being carried out by the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and see no reason whatsover why the level should increase at the present time. We have the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh and we have the next in line to the throne in the form of the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall. Once Charles becomes king, then William and Catherine will be far more visable and will have far more engagements to carry out. In the meantime, the perception is that William (and of-course Harry too) is doing a proper job in the armed forces of which we are all very proud. I think people in general would prefer him to do this rather than go in for a quick stint just to say he did it and then wear the uniform just for the sake of it! The medals he and Harry wear will be rightly deserved!
William is not a reluctant heir - far from it! He is proud of his country and will do all he can for it. He will not shirk from his destiny and will become an amazing monarch. Yet in his current position he must do what will be most useful in his life, which is to serve his country in the forces.

Duke-of-Earl 11-01-2012 05:02 PM

Does anyone think William will re-enlist in 2013? And if he does , how do you think the media and public will react? Especially because it means Catherine will basically be a home-maker for another 3 years.

AdmirerUS 11-01-2012 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 1479235)
The Queen's speech at the Indonesian State Banquet, 31 October 2012:
The Queen's speech at the Indonesian State Banquet, 31 October 2012

The Royal Collection Display for the State Visit:
Indonesian State Visit Display

I am really appreciating these Royal Collections from State Visits being put online on the royal.gov site. It gives one a quick look at the history of the relationship between the countries. the botany, biology, culture, social interest, etc. Some of the items are beautiful and some quite quirky. Love it!

HereditaryPrincess 11-01-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Spheno (Post 1479244)
Star of the Republic of Indonesia, First Class (Riband and Star)

Thanks! :flowers:

HMQueenElizabethII 11-01-2012 06:08 PM

The President & his wife have attended the Lord Mayor's Banquet at the Guildhall. There is a picture on Getty. The Duke of Gloucester was present but Duchess was not. She was not present at the State Banquet yesterday too according to the Court Circular. It's sad :(, hope she is doing well.

Dman 11-01-2012 07:22 PM

I know the photographers try to put the main focus of The Queen and visiting Head of State at these State Banquets but all I'm saying it would be nice to see all the senior members of the royal family who are attending. After all, what's the use of taking your time getting ready, putting all your finest jewels, Orders, etc if your not going to be pictured at your best?

That's why I like the way the other European royal houses handle these great occassions. They not only roll out the red carpet for their guest but they allow their subjects to see these great events.

I think the palace should allow either the BBC, Sky or ITV to broadcast Live Coverage of the arrivals of the dignitaries, guest, Head of State , The Queen and members of the royal family. Show the procession of The Queen & Head of State into the ballroom and the speeches. The rest is pretty private, like the eating of the dinner, etc. I like the access CSPAN.org have to the State Visits at The White House. I think it allows the American citizens to watch our Head of State welcome another Head of State and show us the ties and bond our countries have with each other.

Here's a good example of what I'm talking about. Here is a video of The White House State Dinner honoring Her Majesty The Queen. Hosted by President Bush & Mrs. Bush in 2007:
State Dinner for Queen Elizabeth II - C-SPAN Video Library

VictoriaB 11-01-2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dman (Post 1479373)

I think the palace should allow either the BBC, Sky or ITV to broadcast Live Coverage of the arrivals of the dignitaries, guest, Head of State , The Queen and members of the royal family. Show the procession of The Queen & Head of State into the ballroom and the speeches. The rest is pretty private, like the eating of the dinner, etc.

Do they want to cover it?

I'm not sure the networks would want to give up regular programming for something that (probably) a majority of people in the UK either don't know is happening or really couldn't care less about. While a state visit from the President of the USA or France (provided his wife is a former top catwalk model) might catch the public imagination and garner the attention of the media, the majority of state visits do not. I really can't imagine the networks falling over themselves for access.

AdmirerUS 11-01-2012 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by VictoriaB (Post 1479391)
Do they want to cover it?

I'm not sure the networks would want to give up regular programming for something that (probably) a majority of people in the UK either don't know is happening or really couldn't care less about. While a state visit from the President of the USA or France (provided his wife is a former top catwalk model) might catch the public imagination and garner the attention of the media, the majority of state visits do not. I really can't imagine the networks falling over themselves for access.

Yes - but I do think the BBC would gladly send a camera to capture it all to post online. Eyes of interest = $$$$

Dman 11-02-2012 12:41 AM

I know the BBC would in a minute. I think the British people should pay attention to these kind of events and what their Soverign is doing. Or else none of this stuff matters and the government and Monarchy should stop putting on these events.

Maybe I'm alone in this but I think these events are very important and it highlight the links and bonds our countries have with each other.

Lumutqueen 11-02-2012 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dman
I know the BBC would in a minute. I think the British people should pay attention to these kind of events and what their Soverign is doing. Or else none of this stuff matters and the government and Monarchy should stop putting on these events.

Maybe I'm alone in this but I think these events are very important and it highlight the links and bonds our countries have with each other.

You're right the BBC would jump at the chance, and the British public would probably enjoy seeing it if the event was publicised. The main issue here is they're not allowed in, look at the coverage we got of William and Catherine's wedding, it was minimal at best. I'm talking after the wedding ceremony itself, obviously. Compared to other family the BRF are closed off technologically to the world.

Bristol 11-02-2012 05:12 AM

State visits
 
If everyone who wants to see more photos, at least, if not film, of the beginning of state banquets were to write to the Press Office at Buckingham Palace, it might perhaps have an impact. Letters are treated far more seriously than emails these days, when emails are so easy to do. I think the Palace does care about what people think, and if they think there is a large constituency out there who are interested, and who might be pleased with a really simple step, then they might perhaps act on it. I shall write. Just a thought!

Bristol 11-02-2012 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacknch (Post 1479316)
I am very happy with the level of official engagements that are currently being carried out by the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and see no reason whatsover why the level should increase at the present time. We have the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh and we have the next in line to the throne in the form of the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall. Once Charles becomes king, then William and Catherine will be far more visable and will have far more engagements to carry out. In the meantime, the perception is that William (and of-course Harry too) is doing a proper job in the armed forces of which we are all very proud. I think people in general would prefer him to do this rather than go in for a quick stint just to say he did it and then wear the uniform just for the sake of it! The medals he and Harry wear will be rightly deserved!
William is not a reluctant heir - far from it! He is proud of his country and will do all he can for it. He will not shirk from his destiny and will become an amazing monarch. Yet in his current position he must do what will be most useful in his life, which is to serve his country in the forces.

I agree, I don't think the general public in the UK has a strong feeling that they should be doing more at the moment. There are occasional tabloid comments because they want to make money by printing photos of royal occasions! But while William is serving as a pilot, I think people generally feel he is occupying his time well. I don't get a general impression that people here see him as reluctant, either - ever since he's started doing royal duties solo, he has seemed increasingly at ease and more polished in his performance, and I'm quite sure it has been good for him to assume a more high profile role gradually. I'm not sure there would be major disapproval if he decided to stay on for three more years either; especially since it is likely he and Catherine will start a family soon, I think there would be a lot of sympathy for them to do so in a relatively low-key background. I'm quite sure the Royal Family perspective is that he isn't the heir, he is the heir of the heir, so he doesn't need to have a full time presence at the moment (it is just the way the generations have fallen that they are now the glamorous young couple that everyone wants to see, even though they aren't yet the heir and spouse).

Molly2101 11-02-2012 05:38 AM

I thought there was a rule that the public could not see the BRF eating dinner at events such as these? Do I remember that correctly?

Lumutqueen 11-02-2012 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Molly2101
I thought there was a rule that the public could not see the BRF eating dinner at events such as these? Do I remember that correctly?

Well eating's one thing but watching them arrive and seeing them sit down isn't too much to ask.

Dman 11-02-2012 06:46 AM

No, no one expects to see the royal family and their guest eating. No camera should be able to film that.

muriel 11-02-2012 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by msleiman (Post 1479231)
I sorry but I don't think that it is just what HM and Charles think! When you are away from the public eye as much as they are people start to think that they can live with out them! If them all show up to less than 75 events a year then there will be a problem in the future. We are not just talking about this one event or even ten events, we are talking about putting the future king and queen on the back burner. I have gotten myself out of bed at 4am to watch events! I am not a person that wants to see this but I can understand that the less they are around the less people will care! I find myself wondering if they will ever become full time royals, I find myself giving up on them and as a American it may not mean much but as I said before if I feel this way, what do the people that hate the royal family saying! We have to look at the whole picture and for the past two years very little has been seen of them.

If the British people really felt seriously about wanting to see William and Catherine more, this would be a real issue in the country. My sense is that as of now, most people are content with the work that HM, DoE, C & C are carrying out as senior members of the BRF, just as they are content with W, H & Catherine carrying out occassional duties.

I appreciate your fervour and interest, long may it last. If you choose to give up on them, that is an entirely personal decision you are completely within your rights to make, but I doubt many within the BRF or the British public would care too deeply about.

Tilia C. 11-02-2012 01:40 PM

Has anyone seen pictures from the guildhall banquet last night? I couldn't find any.

dbarn67 11-02-2012 01:54 PM

The Queen's speech at the Indonesia State Banquet, 31 October 2012 - YouTube

EIIR 11-02-2012 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lumutqueen (Post 1479470)
Compared to other family the BRF are closed off technologically to the world.

The BRF most certainly are not 'closed off technologically'. God forbid these people should desire a modicum of privacy on their wedding day. I feel for the European royals whose every move during what's essentially a family occasion is broadcast live for the world to see. They must find their wedding day to be an exhausting trial since they can't relax at any stage, their behaviour is monitored and debated and they must be petrified the whole day that the world will see them doing something embarrassing.

The BRF has the perfect balance. They share the ceremony, the parade back to BP, the balcony appearance, the flypast, their wedding portraits, and then they're able to enjoy their own personal celebration with their family and friends in the evening.

State visits are not on the radar of 99% of the British public. There's no clamour to see who Princess Anne's sitting next to or whatever. The important bits are photographed and filmed and then the guests can relax and enjoy the evening without cameras pointing at them.

One final word on W & K. W has a very high public approval rating, even higher than HM. K's rating is well above 70%. They're just back from a major, exhausting overseas tour. They've done Trooping, the Diamond Jubilee, the Olympics, the Garter and Thistle services, Remembrance Sunday, Sandringham at Christmas etc. I sense no public discontent with them. When W leaves SAR, probably in 2013, we'll see them much more often.

The RAF, and by definition the taxpayer, has invested a lot of money in training William. In return, he owes them the 30 months he signed up for at least.

Iluvbertie 11-02-2012 06:01 PM

I think the BRF have the balance right - some public shows and some private times - far better than the European royals who allow the public into every event - it seems to me that they lack confidence in their ability to say 'no' to the public and simply no idea of keeping some times private.

msleiman 11-02-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 1479496)
If the British people really felt seriously about wanting to see William and Catherine more, this would be a real issue in the country. My sense is that as of now, most people are content with the work that HM, DoE, C & C are carrying out as senior members of the BRF, just as they are content with W, H & Catherine carrying out occassional duties.

I appreciate your fervour and interest, long may it last. If you choose to give up on them, that is an entirely personal decision you are completely within your rights to make, but I doubt many within the BRF or the British public would care too deeply about.

The only reason I want to respond about this any longer is due to the fact no one seems to understand me! A STATE VISIT is an impoant event in my book and I think that the a future king and queen should be there period! It not about clothes, hairstyles or jewerly. Sorry that me thinking that but it is the way I feel. I don't hate anyone or will I ever stop keeping up to date on what is going on with the BRF! I just feel that at this point William and Kate should be there for the big events of the year! Hate on me all you want, say I am to wrapped up in the royals lives, call me cold or what ever but I don't think me saying this is a bad thing! I guess that if I do not agree with others then I am wrong but remember if you think I am to wrapped up with royals you must be also other wise you would not be reading this post!

DCVO 11-02-2012 10:36 PM

Will is probably working, or on call, and can't leave Wales. If he was bumming around in London, then of course I'd be upset. But he has a job, one which does not keep regular 9-5 hours. He's taken plenty of time off this year for internationally significant events.

Given Prince Philip's health scares, I really doubt Will will sign up for another contract of service. Sometime next year his commitment is due to expire, and he and Kate will become full-time royals. After that I'll expect them at every state dinner. But right now Will's commitments keep them away.

Iluvbertie 11-03-2012 01:23 AM

If the Queen is happy for Camilla (the wife of the heir to the throne) and the 2nd in line and his wife then that is that.

Looking at the popular press the State Visit hardly rates a mention so I would imagine that most people really don't care about it, possibly don't even know it is happening or really understand what they are all about, which is mostly the leader of Indonesia having talks with the PM and other government ministers and business people while the monarch gets to make the usual platidinous speech of no real meaning or value while the important stuff is taking place in Downing Street or elsewhere.

If you really want to see the important stuff then the cameras should be where the important discussions are taking place not showing some people getting dressed up in fancy clothes, emphasising the gulf between the haves and the have-nots, while making meaningless speeches.


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