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nascarlucy 10-22-2011 09:51 PM

Sometimes it seems like not only is the royal brides judged but his or her family is as well. The whole family gives up privacy. Better or worse, you're family is who they are. You can't change who they are or what they are. Seems like some people want to mold the person's family or tell them how they should behave and conduct themselves now that their family member is married to a royal.

Grandduchess24 10-22-2011 10:40 PM

Most of the time the soon to be princess
Gives up
The religion they grew up with
Their family name
Their commoner freedom (to be able to go out without the royal escorts)
Sometimes their citizenship
Their career/job
Driving privileges?

nascarlucy 10-23-2011 06:42 PM

I don't know how many give this right up but a few give up the right to vote when they married into royalty. Most don't but a few do. This would be giving up a lot IMO.

FasterB 10-24-2011 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nascarlucy (Post 1329352)
I don't know how many give this right up but a few give up the right to vote when they married into royalty. Most don't but a few do. This would be giving up a lot IMO.

Here in DK they can vote, but they donīt.

SLV 10-24-2011 03:06 PM

The men have to give up their last name.
And would probably also have to give up the rights to their children in case of a divorce.

Tillymint 10-25-2011 04:43 PM

Obviously it depends on the woman and the royal family she is marrying into. I think on average they give up rather a lot: their careers (which they have often worked and studied hard for), their privacy, sometimes their religion, homeland and nationality. They loose their anonymity, everything that they do, say, wear is subject to scrutiny. I also think they loose their freedom of expression, I may be wrong but I think it's not really 'the done thing' for them to voice their personal opinions, especially when it comes to politics. I think they also loose their freedom of association, they would probably have to be very careful about who they mixed with and confided in. Mind you, while I think that they do give up a lot, they gain a lot in return!!!

LadyGabrielle 10-25-2011 05:06 PM

I have to agree with you Tillymint. I believe that for females it is quite a bit. Although, it seems that Catherine has been able to keep a small amount of her character. She has had to give up alot I think. I don't think she really gets to spend all that much time with her family anymore. It seems she has been taken away from any normality that she once knew. But at the same time it seems she is adamant that she will go grocery shopping on her own. Well maybe with bodyguards but never the less, she doesn't have someone shopping for her. I don't know, what you gain I suppose is worth the freedom? Hmmm. :ermm:

Diarist 10-25-2011 05:08 PM

Partly the ability to choose their friends in the same way as ordinary mortals do - new Princesses have to make sure their friends do not embarass the Royal Family in any way.

Prince Charles has also commented on the fact that because his diary is planned months in advance, he cannot always have a 'spontaneous' day off. When he made this remark though, several commentators made the point that it was something humbler mortals experienced as well - most of us have to go to work each day [if fortunate to have a job, bearing in mind that this is a time of unemployment in the UK] and/or attend to the home and child raising as well, with little opportunity for a 'spontaneous day off'.

Just my thoughs,

Alex

nascarlucy 10-25-2011 07:49 PM

I would imagine anyone any man or woman they (person marrying into royalty) had an assocation with in their lifetime could come under scrunity. Usually it would be something bad, as good news is seldom reported. Even if they had nothing to do with this person. An example of this would be a classmate who went bad. Or someone that lived down the hall from them in college did something bad. Even if they didn't associate with this person in school or in the dorm, the news media would associate them with this person or place them with that person.

tlklhm 11-16-2011 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FasterB
Exactly :flowers: Countess Alexandra did convert and was confirmed prior to her wedding with Prince Joachim.
CPss Mary didnīt convert and didnīt get confirmed prior to her wedding as she was already a protestant

I thought Countess Alexandra was also a Protestant from a Anglican Church?

In Singapore, we call this a transfer of membership from a Protestant denomination to another Protestant denomination. And Confirmation is only carried out in some denomination such as Anglican. Convert is for changes of one's faith to another, as per someone pointed out, eg.from Roman Catholic to Protestant or from Buddhism to Christianity.

XeniaCasaraghi 10-01-2013 09:11 PM

Was it really necessary for Autumn to convert? There are a lot of people ahead of Peter in the line of succession for anyone to really worry about if he loses his place.

Ish 10-01-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tlklhm (Post 1338068)
I thought Countess Alexandra was also a Protestant from a Anglican Church? In Singapore, we call this a transfer of membership from a Protestant denomination to another Protestant denomination. And Confirmation is only carried out in some denomination such as Anglican. Convert is for changes of one's faith to another, as per someone pointed out, eg.from Roman Catholic to Protestant or from Buddhism to Christianity.

The Anglican Church isn't actually Protestant though, although it shares similarities. Officially it is a reformed catholic church, and as such it basically straddles the two religions. If you're a Protestant, changing religions to Anglicanism is more than simply changing denominations.

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Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi (Post 1605175)
Was it really necessary for Autumn to convert? There are a lot of people ahead of Peter in the line of succession for anyone to really worry about if he loses his place.

She could have, yes, and it would have been a similar situation to what Prince and Princess Michael of Kent have done. I think Autumn's decision to convert likely more reflects the values of the couple than the importance of Peter remaining in the line of succession. Given as the Duchess of Kent converted to Catholicism without the Duke losing his place in the succession I believe Autumn could do the same (even without the new succession laws) if she so wished.

amaryllus 10-01-2013 09:47 PM

It all comes down to the question-''Do I love, respect,adore this person,want him/her as parent to my children enough to live in fish bowl, give up a good part of my identity, not always be a full time parent to my children, have photogs your constant shadow"....

camelot23ca 10-01-2013 10:19 PM

I think the women and men who marry into royal families have to make a lot of sacrifices. They give up the expectation to automatic privacy for themselves and their children. They give up their careers. They give up a large degree of freedom and spontaneity. They give up the ability to live their day to day lives without scrutiny from the press and the public. The women, especially, give up the ability to do things like gain weight or cut their hair or change their wardrobe without tons of people having an opinion. If they do something embarrassing or make a mistake in public they'll hear about it endlessly. They give up the ability to express strong opinions over anything that might be the least bit controversial. They give up the right to have things like their finances and household expenditures be their business, and only their business.

I think it would be an extremely difficult life, especially for those who marry in and have lived as 'normal', non royal people beforehand.

Iluvbertie 10-01-2013 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi (Post 1605175)
Was it really necessary for Autumn to convert? There are a lot of people ahead of Peter in the line of succession for anyone to really worry about if he loses his place.

Maybe there were many people ahead of him but it would still be a change in status for him to lose his position. To you and me it doesn't mean much but in the family it could have be a bigger deal e.g. what religion would the children have been raised in? Would Autumn have attended church on Christmas Day with the family?

When your grandmother-in-law is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, an uncle-in-law is the next Supreme Governor of the Church of England, a close cousin-in-law will succeed to that position as well it takes on a different perspective to that of an ordinary person.

keb4266 11-01-2013 11:54 AM

Just stumbled on this thread. Re: changing religion. Religions are: Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. Within Christianity, there are denominations: Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Roman Catholic.

Anyone who is a Presbyterian and marries a Roman Catholic is technically changing denomination but the religion is still Christianity.

Duchess of Durham 11-01-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by keb4266 (Post 1614368)
Just stumbled on this thread. Re: changing religion. Religions are: Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. Within Christianity, there are denominations: Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Roman Catholic.

Anyone who is a Presbyterian and marries a Roman Catholic is technically changing denomination but the religion is still Christianity.

If a Presbyterian marries a Roman Catholic, neither gives up their denomination.

HereditaryPrincess 11-01-2013 03:02 PM

When they marry, I would imagine that royal brides would have to give up their privacy and the ability to be able to go anywhere as they please without being photographed or followed by the paparazzi/press. A royal bride who marries someone who isn't from their own country may have to give up the ability to speak their mother tongue all the time, particularly if her husband and his family don't speak her language very well. I would think that brides who marry an heir apparent or King will also have to give up any name choices they had for their first child (unless, they had their hearts set on a regal name before they met their husband).
EDIT: Another thing that I think royal brides would have to give up is their career.

I agree with the poster who said that a royal bride might have to give up some of her friends if the Royal Family they marry into doesn't think they're appropriate enough. It seems that most royals make new friends who are within the royal circle, although some royals could be/are still friendly with their friends before marriage.

Moonmaiden23 11-01-2013 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Duchess of Durham (Post 1614375)
If a Presbyterian marries a Roman Catholic, neither gives up their denomination.

But Presbyterianism and Roman Catholicism are indeed examples of two different Christian denominations. So if a person switches from one to the other is that not giving up their denomination?

Mariel 11-01-2013 05:23 PM

keb and Moonmaiden, I 'm glad you guys understand the the Protestant churches and the Roman Catholic church are different denominations, not different religions. Having been both a Protestant and a Roman Catholic, I know that both sects believe the fundamentals of the Christian gospel. There are SERIOUS disagreements, as we know (!!!!) but still, the basic faith is the same.
However, I think it's a big step for a person like Autumn Phillips to give up her denomination in order to allow her husband to remain in line for the throne.
It would have been a bigger step, in some ways, if Prince William of Gloucester's love,
Zsuzsu, had converted from Judaism to Christianity. She would not have been required to do so, had they married, but if they had had children, they would have been raised Episcopal in order to retain their succession rights. Since William had Porphyria, he might well have left well enough alone and had no children, since Zsuzsu already had two children. I think she and her sons would have made an ideal family for him. And everyone would have made peace, more than peace, with this. Oh well, things don't work out very often.


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