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Daria_S 02-04-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Baroness of Books (Post 1367040)
It was always my understanding as well that the young Elizabeth first fell in love with the 18-year-old Philip when she was 13 on a visit with her family to Dartmouth College where he was a student. He apparently made quite an impression on her as he was showing them around. This is an interesting story from the DM along with a photo of their supposed first meeting at Dartmouth:

First meeting: The moment the Queen first set eyes on Prince Philip | Mail Online

Interesting article. He didn't have an easy life before his marriage, and I think that alone taught him to rely on himself as well as how to be a good support system for someone else who may be in a difficult situation.

Kataryn 02-05-2012 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 1367039)
Elizabeth was born in 1926. Edward became King and abdicated in 1936. Therefore Elizabeth became heiress presumptive in 1936 aged 10.

Thank you for the information.:flowers:
I got it wrong from that article: The Queen's Diamond Jubilee: Gloriana for our times - Telegraph

"Although ostensibly heir to the throne, it would have been taken for granted in the 1920s and Thirties that the future Duke of Windsor would have married someone suitable and produced heirs. It was only when she was 14 that the then Princess Elizabeth became heir-presumptive on the abdication of her uncle. "

So obviously not even the Telegraph is trustworthy when it comes to dates....:ermm:

democratnmonocole 04-07-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 1367039)
Elizabeth was born in 1926. Edward became King and abdicated in 1936. Therefore Elizabeth became heiress presumptive in 1936 aged 10. As the eldest of two daughters with no son she therefore became heiress presumptive on the day of the abdication. She was never a 'minor princess' as from birth until January 1936 she was 3rd in line (the same position Harry is now) and throughout 1936 she was 2nd - the position William is now before moving into 1st position in December 1936...

In regards to the whole "major royal" thing... from Ben Pimlott's biography "The Queen": "Why the Home Secretary needed to attend the birth of the child of a MINOR MEMBER of the Royal Family was a mystery..." (pg. 1) While she was only third-in-line until 1936 and Pimlott goes on to write that when she was first born, she had considerable attention, in due course she would have been supplanted (remember that the Princess Anne was second-in-line and very prominent in terms of media exposure until Diana entered the Family) Aside from royal tours of Northern Ireland in 1924, the Near East and India in 1925 and Australia and New Zealand in 1927, the Duke and Duchess of York rarely carried out major public duties and lived quietly in Piccadilly, Windsor and Birkhall. Most of the attention was focused on Edward as heir apparent. It was a MUCH different time. There was much more deference to the Royal Family and a heck of a lot more privacy. I've read in Bradford's biography of King George VI and Lacey's biography of the Queen, that the Yorks were rarely bothered too much by media attention because everyone believed Edward would settle down in due course and produce heirs.
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ladongas 04-15-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by democratnmonocole (Post 1537204)
...(remember that the Princess Anne was second-in-line and very prominent in terms of media exposure until Diana entered the Family).

Anne was second in line only until Prince Andrew was born, and she fell to fourth in line after Prince Edward's birth.
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democratnmonocole 04-16-2013 06:15 AM

I meant from age 2 to 9, when thee Prince Andrew was born. But my statement is still valid because she was the third highest-ranking woman in the Kingdom after the Queen and the Queen Mother until the Princess of Wales came into the Family. The Princess Margaret took on less importance after her divorce and being pushed down the line of succession to fifth. I miswrote. Apologies for any confusion. :flowers:

Spheno 04-16-2013 06:46 AM

"The most important baby in the British Empire"

This is article from 1928:

Royal Musings: The most important baby in the British Empire
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Pranter 04-16-2013 07:10 AM

I read in a book that the Queen Mother was leaning toward her marrying an Englishman (there were a few Dukes etc that would of been eligible).


LaRae

fandesacs2003 04-16-2013 07:17 AM

Very interesting article. Why in 1928, it was very unlikely that he will ever marry? Was he already with Wallis Simpson??

In 1928, the Prince of Wales was 34 years old, not a desperate age to wed? I do not understand how the article can opennly alledge that "seems unlikely" to ever marry.

Spheno 04-16-2013 09:57 AM

maybe it is because of his playboy lifestyle

fandesacs2003 04-16-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Spheno (Post 1540261)
maybe it is because of his playboy lifestyle

And so what? He would not be the first Prince playboy to make a convenience marriage and continue his "happy" life.

NGalitzine 04-16-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fandesacs2003 (Post 1540289)
And so what? He would not be the first Prince playboy to make a convenience marriage and continue his "happy" life.

True, but he did seem to prefer to be involved with women who were already married and showed little to no interest in women who were single and available.
Mrs Simpson was not the first married woman with whom he carried on a long relationship. She was preceded by Freda Dudley Ward and Thelma, Viscountess Furness.

Queen Camilla 04-17-2013 04:05 PM

The Chicago Tribune deserves mention for rightly predicting 24 years ahead of time Queen Elizabeth II.

The English people were in the dark for so many years.

Iluvbertie 04-17-2013 06:20 PM

Even her birth details in the British papers referred to the possibility that she could become Queen so the above report was hardly suggesting something new when the British papers (I have the editorials from The Times and The Telegraph at the time of her birth somewhere in this house - my grandmother's family would send them to my grandmother every week, along with other stories from Britain and she kept many of them as did my mother) had been saying the same thing for 2 years by 1928.

It was rare for an heir to the throne to not be married by his mid-late 20s so that possibility was already in the minds of people as Edward reached and past 30.

padams2359 05-26-2013 03:12 PM

Well considering the fact the PE was childless, unmarried, and there were no viable prospects for a suitable wife at the time of QE2's birth, it was definately a possibility she would rule one day, with or without the accession of KGVI.

BritishRoyalist 09-01-2013 12:56 PM

I think HM the Queen knew she would marry Philip from the day she meant him. I think her heart was always set on him.

There no doubt that The Queen probably had a few requests for her hand in Marriage. I am sure for a lot of parents In Aristocracy classes like the thought of their son marrying the Future Queen. But The Queen always had her mind set on Philip.

Alison H 09-01-2013 01:31 PM

Everyone seems to agree that the Queen was only ever interested in Philip.

She was 13 when war broke out and 19 when the war ended, and it was a good year after that before all the men were demobbed, so the usual social events where she might have met other potential suitors just didn't happen, and it sounds as if she and Philip had an "understanding" before the end of the war anyway.

I think it's a lovely story, actually :-). They've been married for nearly 66 years, and "together" for around 70 years - not many couples can say that! Setting eyes on "the one" when you're 13 and being together when you're 87, he's 92 and you're great-grandparents is amazing :-).

QueenElizabeth2Fan 10-17-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alison H (Post 1594577)
Everyone seems to agree that the Queen was only ever interested in Philip.

She was 13 when war broke out and 19 when the war ended, and it was a good year after that before all the men were demobbed, so the usual social events where she might have met other potential suitors just didn't happen, and it sounds as if she and Philip had an "understanding" before the end of the war anyway.

I think it's a lovely story, actually :-). They've been married for nearly 66 years, and "together" for around 70 years - not many couples can say that! Setting eyes on "the one" when you're 13 and being together when you're 87, he's 92 and you're great-grandparents is amazing :-).

I agree. How beautiful is that, especially when the great-grandmother is the Queen of the UK!

GracieGiraffe 10-17-2013 06:38 PM

Hey, any chance the Queen will dump Philip now and pick up a younger guy, kinda like the Duchess of Alba????

Hey, if you say no, why not? :tongue:

Lee27 10-20-2013 07:08 PM

It is a remarkable love story. At 13 Princess Elizabeth was still in the nursery, so her first meeting with Phillip may have really been the first time they were around each other.

Phillip was too distant a family member to have been invited to intimate Royal family events.

Osipi 10-21-2013 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee27 (Post 1610549)
It is a remarkable love story. At 13 Princess Elizabeth was still in the nursery, so her first meeting with Phillip may have really been the first time they were around each other.

Phillip was too distant a family member to have been invited to intimate Royal family events.

Its amazing when you think about it. To lay eyes on a person at the age of 13 and just kind of KNOW that person is the one you want to spend the rest of your life with. At 13, do any of us really know what the rest of our lives are supposed to be like?

Come to think of it, this story would make a great movie.


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