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magnik 08-24-2006 03:42 PM

She was related to
- Stewart by Susan wife of 5th Duke of Marlborough and descendant of Alexander Stewart, 4th High Steward of Scotland
- Stuarts bu Frances Fitzroy daughter of 3 Duke of Grafton and PM of GB and greatgreatgreat-granddaughter of Charles II and Barbara Villiers, Duchess of Cleveland
https://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...olor=;i=103286
- Cavendish by Arabella (d. 1698) daughter of 2 D. of Newcastle and by William Cavendish, 5 D. of Devonshire
- Howard by Henry Howard, 4 Earl of Carlisle after Thomas, 4 D. of Norfolk (1538-1572)
- Seymour by Adelaide with 1 Marquess of Hertford and with Edrwad Seymour, 1 D. of Somerset (1506-1552)
- with Hamilton by Cynthia daughter of 3 D. of Abercorn
- with Beauclerk by Topham great-grandsdon of Charles II
- with Grey by Charles Grey, 2 Earl Grey, PM of GB
- with Montagu by Henry Montagu, 1 Earl of Manchester
- with Russell by Caroline Russell daughter of 4 Duke of Bedford

Diana's ancestors:
- 15th generation https://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...before=&cgl=on
- 69th generation https://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...before=&cgl=on

Zara04 08-30-2006 10:12 PM

Even when they were engaged, it was said that Diana had more royal blood in her than her husband-to-be. Diana and I share a portion of our family tree. My Temple-Spencer links with hers. My great+ grandmother Susannah Spencer Temple was the daughter of Dorothy Spencer-Spencer and Thomas Spencer (2nd cousins once removed) through Dorothy's brother to Diana.

Coincidences happen like with Diana, Sarah, Sophie and Camillla sharing genealogy. My (former) husband and I were married 2 weeks before Diana and Charles and William was born a few months before my son. My son is 6'4", blond with reddish goatee and looks alot like a combination of William and Harry. My sister's son looks alot like Harry. My aunt has a picture of me in her winter home in Florida that years ago people said I looked like Diana. I still have no idea what photo it is, but Diana and I have the same eyes and nose, though I was born with my father's dark hair (which changes shades of
blonde/light brown/redhead as my fickle personality decrees... :rofl: )

We are related at some point I believe and others on this board may have a more direct link to Diana and her family, but they aren't aware of it.

peace.

iowabelle 09-22-2006 10:37 PM

I'm a distant cousin of Camilla's, and probably of Diana's too (someone on the board told me I was but I don't know how for sure).

Anyway, I wanted to know if anyone knows what has happened to Diana's nephews and nieces?

And does anyone know much about Sir Robert Fellowes? He seems like such an enigmatic character -- Sarah's cousin, Diana's brother-in-law, and Queen's secretary. He must have a cast iron stomach to have worked for the Queen and endured these family turmoils!

Emily 09-22-2006 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Yennie
Didnt Dianas mother had a brother who comitted suicide? I have no idea about any cousins though...


Yes, I remember reading that Frances Shand-Kydd's brother committed suicide but I don't have further information on that. He had drink and depression problems, as I recall.

sirhon11234 09-23-2006 06:26 PM

I read somewhere that Diana was also related to former u.s. secretary Colin Powell. I wish I could remember the link.

Penny Lane 10-16-2006 03:55 AM

I didn't like that he refused Diana a private place while she was alive but them built a shrine to her after her death like he was the loving brother:mad: .I don't think it was right for him to badmouth the royal family at the funeral it was neither the time or the place and considering the kind of brother and husband he was very much out of line.I wish if he was of the mind to pay tribute to his sister he would have done it in a more positive way.
Just a personal opinion of my own but I wish given Diana's love of dance those in a position to would have honered that in some way by opening a dance school or something like that.:sad:

sassie 10-16-2006 09:21 AM

I lost patience with him after his eulogy at Diana's funeral. That he could take the shots he did at the RF while William and Harry were sitting there, forced to listen, on the day they buried their beloved mother-it showed how little consideration he had for Diana and his nephews.

A eulogy is intended to pay tribute to a life-not seek revenge. Diana would have been horrified, I have no doubt. She deserved better than that.

gfg02 03-03-2007 12:03 PM

The Spencers – Diana's Dynasty

channel4.com - Real Lives - The Spencers

gfg02 08-19-2007 03:01 PM

Earl Spencer, a 500,000 painting dug up on his estate ... and questions the taxman might ask

Earl Spencer, a 500,000 painting dug up on his estate ... and questions the taxman might ask | the Daily Mail

TheTruth 08-10-2008 08:38 AM

Pretty good article on one of Diana's ancestors who shares many similarities with the late Princess. The movie, The Duchess, starring Kiera Knightley, retrace the life of Georgiana Cavendish, the Duchess of Devonshire.

Princess Diana and the Duchess of Devonshire: Striking similarities - Telegraph

Incas 08-10-2008 10:12 PM

Unfortunately, Chris Hasting mistakenly claimed Diana was born at Althrope, instead of Park House. That took the wind out of his argument for "similarities".

Mermaid1962 08-11-2008 02:03 PM

Any Diana-watcher could have told him that!:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Incas (Post 809608)
Unfortunately, Chris Hasting mistakenly claimed Diana was born at Althrope, instead of Park House. That took the wind out of his argument for "similarities".


Menarue 08-11-2008 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord of Cowley (Post 415249)
I agree that Stuart blood has never left the royal family. Indeed, the present royal family, as well as Sarah Ferguson, Diana Spencer AND Camilla Parker-Bowles are all descendants of Charles the Second. (The Queen Mother might have been as well, but I'll need to check up on that!) All of the mentioned people are about fifth and sixth cousins.

Just out of curiousity could you tell me how the present royal family is descended from Charles II. Sarah Ferguson, Diana Spencer and Camilla are but I am missing something here, I thought if the Queen was descended from Charles II it would be through her mother.
Can you help out here?

andrew 08-11-2008 03:03 PM

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"I agree that Stuart blood has never left the royal family"

Elizabeth II descends in the paternal line from James I Stuart through his daughter Elizabeth and granddaughter Sophia.

Menarue 08-11-2008 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrew (Post 809876)
"I agree that Stuart blood has never left the royal family"

Elizabeth II descends in the paternal line from James I Stuart through his daughter Elizabeth and granddaughter Sophia.

I totally agree, they are descended from James I, I was curious how Lord of Cowley could say they were descendants of Charles II. That would be really be something new to me.

Elspeth 08-11-2008 03:46 PM

Yes, like Andrew said, she's descended through Charles II's sister Elizabeth, not through Charles himself. At least, not legitimately. Chances are that the Queen Mother's ancestry has some illegitimate Stuart blood but I'm not certain.

Jo of Palatine 08-11-2008 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Menarue (Post 809873)
Just out of curiousity could you tell me how the present royal family is descended from Charles II. Sarah Ferguson, Diana Spencer and Camilla are but I am missing something here, I thought if the Queen was descended from Charles II it would be through her mother.
Can you help out here?

Charles II. only had illegitimate children through his mistresses - so while there is a relationship, it comes from the wrong side of the blanket. While Charles descended from CharlesII.'s aunt Elizabeth Stuart, princess of Scotland and England, mother of the Electress Sophie.

Menarue 08-11-2008 05:03 PM

Lord of Cowley please come in. You said the royal family is descended from Charles II all I want to know is how you came to that conclusion or if you made a mistake. As far as I know they are not descended from any of Charles IIs mistresses. I know very well how Sophie the Electress of Hanover comes into it, that is not what I am interested in. Any descendants of Charles IIs mistresses have Stuart blood wrong side of the blanket or not. Diana, I believe is descended from more than one of them. Both Louise de Keroualle and Barbara Villiers, but I would have to look that up.

GillW 08-11-2008 05:38 PM

Diana descended from several different lines from illegitimate children of Charles II. Henry Fitroy, 1st Duke of Grafton, son of Barbara Villiers Palmer (Countess Castlemaine, Duchess of Cleveland) has two lines of descent to Diana. Charles Lennox son of Louise de Keroualle (also ancestor to Sarah Duchess of York and Camilla Duchess of Cornwall). Lucy Walter's son James Crofts was also an ancestor of Sarah Duchess of York.

Menarue 08-11-2008 05:53 PM

Thanks GillW that is what I thought. Now I am trying to remember if there are descendants through Nelly Gwynne, her eldest boy died young but there was a second. There were so many mistresses and Charles II was a very benevolent father. In fact the more I read about him the more I like him, he had his faults but he was a kind person and had a wonderful sense of humour.


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