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Warren 08-22-2010 02:28 AM

HRH Duke Carlos Javier (1970- ) and the Royal House of Bourbon-Parma: August 2010-
 

Arms of the Royal House of Bourbon-Parma


A new thread to discuss HRH Duke Carlos Xavier (Javier)
Duke of Parma and Piacenza, Head of the Royal House of Bourbon-Parma

Succeeded to the Headship on the death of his father HRH Duke Carlos Hugo in August 2010

The thread to discuss the late Duke can be found here.
The thread to discuss Spain, Carlist political activity and the Montejura shootings can be found here.
A previous thread about Carlos Xavier can be found here.

  

Jason R Maier esq 08-30-2010 10:39 PM

As of now, the heir apparent is his brother Jaime.

I know Javier has an out of wedlock child with Bridgitte Klynestra (if I got the spelling wrong, my mistake); but has he recognized the child? If so, wouldn't that make the child their heir to the Dukedom?

MAfan 08-31-2010 04:43 AM

Carlos Xavier didn't recognize his son (himself Carlos); he never denied that he is Carlos' father, but he also never legally recognized him as his son.
Btw, even if he had legally recognized his son, Carlos can't be considered as Carlos Xavier's heir, because Carlos was born ot of wedlock and Carlos Xavier and Birgitte aren't married.

lucien 09-08-2010 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason R Maier esq (Post 1131397)
As of now, the heir apparent is his brother Jaime.

I know Javier has an out of wedlock child with Bridgitte Klynestra (if I got the spelling wrong, my mistake); but has he recognized the child? If so, wouldn't that make the child their heir to the Dukedom?

Jaime does not have a child out of wedlock child.At all.Carlos has,and didn't recognise it as the
mother just wanted him to father a child,nothing else.The child is a beautifull boy now and the
spitting image of his father when he was that age.

:bourbonparma:


The religious wedding between HRH Duke Carlos Xavier and Annemarie Gualthérie van Weezel will take place in Brussels
on november 20th.This is in accordance with the Duke's late father's wish to have the religious wedding this year.
The couple is already married in a civil ceremony last june which already makes them recognised as legally married
here.For dynastic reasons the couple will have to marry in a religious ceremony also,and so they'll be at the abbey
on the 2oth.

nascarlucy 09-08-2010 08:54 PM

Does HRH Duke Carlos Xavier have any contact with this child. Does the child know that he is his father? Sounds rather strange to me that you would recognize a child but not do so legally?

lucien 09-08-2010 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nascarlucy (Post 1134936)
Does HRH Duke Carlos Xavier have any contact with this child. Does the child know that he is his father? Sounds rather strange to me that you would recognize a child but not do so legally?

There are stranger things in life,I'm sure.He said he is the father yes,but no,it will not be recognised as a dynast.
That was not/is not the wish of the mother either.Hope this answer will do before this thread turns in the case of
the little boy who is really a happy and handsome young lad now.
It is a non issue here,the mother wished a child fathered by Carlos and that's it.It is their business and theirs solo.
Maybe not everyones way of approach but it was theirs and one has to respect that.

lucien 10-05-2010 06:39 AM

The Duke and his siblings lived up to their promess to return to Parma quickly.
The appointment was for october 1st and 2nd and would include a Ball.The children
of the late Duke Carlos were all in Parma last weekend but changed the the program as instead of a ball there was a
concert as the Family is still in mourning.

The Family also attended memorial Masses at Parma and at Piacenza
followed in each city by the bestowing Orders,the Real Ordine del Merito in Piacenza,the Constantinian Order of St.Georg in Parma.

lucien 10-14-2010 03:05 AM

The Duke and his siblings have kept their promiss to return to Parma and Piacenza soon as they stayed there on october 1st and 2nd and attended Memorial services for their late father and the Duke bestowed Orders in each city.

TRH Prince Jaime and Princess Margarita celebrated their 38th birthday yesterday.The twins were born at the Radboud University Hospital,Nijmegen The Netherlands as the second son and first daughter to TRH Prince Carlos Hugo and Princess Irene.

Duchess Annemarie was created a Countess by the late Duke of Parma shortly before he passed away.

amedea 10-16-2010 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucien (Post 1148106)
Duchess Annemarie was created a Countess by the late Duke of Parma shortly before he passed away.

But before or after her marriage? And why? Was it done with a written document?

lucien 10-16-2010 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amedea (Post 1148140)
But before or after her marriage? And why? Was it done with a written document?

On their civil wedding,and it was written down in a document for the B-P House archive,yes.And why not?Exactly.It was up to Carlos Hugo to decide without asking permission to any poster anywhere.He was the Head of the House so it was his decision to grace Annemarie with a title.
Btw,she is already legally married thus the present Duchess of Parma,the traditional religious ceremony is next month.:smile:

amedea 10-16-2010 03:34 PM

Thanks for the details. Asking why, I was wondering why creating a countess somebody that the very same day is becoming a princess. If it was before the wedding, that could have meant that the late duke wanted to save the tradition of marrying into, at least, nobility. But now I know it was the very same day! Being created a countess on your wedding day is typical of morganatic marriages, but again this is a bad explanation, since you knows that the family regards at her as the new duchess.

MAfan 10-16-2010 04:18 PM

Another possible explanation is that, if Carlos and Annemarie's marriage failed, she would retain at least a comital title.

Next Star 10-17-2010 02:15 AM

She is forunate to recieve a title before her marriage not many commoners who marry into royal and even nobele families get any other titles other than one they recieve through marriage.

Marengo 10-18-2010 12:32 PM

The late Duke already changed some things with the titles by giving his 2nd son an courtesy title (Count of Bardi) and his daughters too (Countess of Colorno and Marchioness of Sala). Probably he created his new daughter-in-law a countess for the same reason as he gave a courtesy title to his younger children.

lucien 10-19-2010 06:34 PM

:dutchstandard::swedenstandard::bourbonparma:
HRH The Duke of Parma,Chair of INSID,will attend and speech at the reception and Gala on occasion of the
50th anniversary of the Dutch - Swedish Chamber of Commerce,Noordwijk The Netherlands october 28th.

TRH The Prince of Orange,his cousin,and Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden will be in attendance as guests of honour.

Swedish Chamber of Commerce in The Netherlands

Marengo 10-20-2010 06:05 AM

Point de Vue has a long interview (& several new pictures) with the duke and duchess of Parma, written by Vincent Meylan.

Joris wrote a summary on the Benelux Royals MB: The Benelux Royals Message Board: Interview with Prince Carlos and Princess Annemarie de Bourbon de Parme

The couple seems ratehr likable, but I suppose that is the point of such interviews ;).

Marengo 10-20-2010 07:06 AM

The new duchess of Parma used to have a weblog about her experiences in Brussels for the NOS (Dutch state news channel), here the link:

Weblog Brussel » Annemarie Gualthérie van Weezel

Kasumi 10-24-2010 03:11 PM

Louis XIV descendant sues over Japan pop art in Versailles
 
The suit is being brought by prince Sixte-Henri de Bourbon-Parme in defence of "respecting the chateau and ancestors" while the "people", represented by seven visitors, are suing to defend the "right to access to heritage."
"By exhibiting at Versailles, artists benefit from an added value. We're not against the modernity of art but against a way of thinking that denatures and does French culture no good," the prince said.
In 2008, his nephew, prince Charles-Emmanuel de Bourbon-Parme, tried to get a show featuring US artist Jeff Koons's bright and bizarre sculptures banned, saying it dishonoured his family's past, but the courts dismissed his bid. - AFP

lucien 10-28-2010 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucien (Post 1149558)
:dutchstandard::swedenstandard::bourbonparma:
HRH The Duke of Parma,Chair of INSID,will attend and speech at the reception and Gala on occasion of the
50th anniversary of the Dutch - Swedish Chamber of Commerce,Noordwijk The Netherlands october 28th.

TRH The Prince of Orange,his cousin,and Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden will be in attendance as guests of honour.

Swedish Chamber of Commerce in The Netherlands

TRH this evening:

PPE Agency

courtesy PPE

Marengo 10-29-2010 07:25 AM

Prince Michel of Bourbon-Parma wrote an autobiographic book about his experiences in Indochine, where he was a prisoner in the camps of the Viet-Minh for 8 months, in 1945:

Prince Michel de Bourbon-Parme : “Un prince dans la toumente. Des services spéciaux aux camps viêt-minh” | Noblesse & Royautés

iceflower 11-11-2010 07:56 AM

__________________


Duke Carlos attended the national readingday of Z at the library and NEMO in
Amsterdam together with Princess Laurentien today, November 11, 2010.


** Pic ** ppe gallery **

More information can also be found here.

lucien 11-12-2010 01:24 PM

A week from tomorrow is the wedding in Brussels,his best man will be his cousin Prince Constantijn,youngest son of HM Queen Beatrix.
Princess Laurentien said so as the Duke was best man at their wedding too.It will be a huge turn-out of the Dutch RF at the Abbey.:smile:

Marengo 11-13-2010 01:46 PM

According to 'De Nederlandsche Leeuw' , both Carlos as Annemarie descend from King Edward I of England (1239-1307)

lucien 11-18-2010 02:43 PM

The website of the Dutch Royal Family announces today that HM and TRH The Prince of Orange and Princess Máxima
as well as other memebrs of the RF will be in attendance saturday at the Ter Kameren Abbey,Brussels.

Marengo 11-30-2010 09:03 AM

Princess Marie-Therese of Bourbon-Parma, aunt of the present duke, will give a lecture about Carlism on December 6th at the DRAC institute on the Rue vavin 8bis at the 6th arrondisement of Paris.

Source: Noblesse & Royautes

Conférence de Maria Teresa de Bourbon-Parme | Noblesse & Royautés

Marengo 12-06-2010 07:00 PM

Prince Sixtus-Henri was his usual charming self and instead of congratulating his nephew duke Carlos Xavier with his marriage, he issued a statement declaring that the marriage is non dynastic.

On his website he this time left the Duchess' not-noble background for what it is, but according to him the duke's children will lose succesion rights in Spain ánd Parma because the duke & duchess had a civil wedding in The Netherlands (before the religious wedding in Belgium). He says that a civil wedding for catholics is not valid.

The prince failed to explain why his nephew lost dynastic rights when he also married in church later on. But well... logic and Sixte-Henri don't always go well together.

Note that this is the 3rd time that Carlos is supposedly losing his rights. Before Sixte's objection was that duke Carlos-Hugo betrayed Carlism (how carlism and the Parma succession go together was not explained ;))... and somehow his sons also lost their rights by extention. And after that Carlos Javier lost his rights a 2nd time because he married a commonor. And now he is losing them for a 3rd time... it seems that Sixte-Henri isn't too sure about himself claiming to be the chef of the Bourbon-Parma's (neither are most others of course :whistling:).

MAfan 12-07-2010 05:09 PM

Parma claims and the Carlist claims are totally different and separate matters.

I actually am not sure that the personal union of the Kingdom of Spain and the Dukedom of Parma may be possible (in theory, of course, if Carlos was Reigning Duke of Parma and also Reigning Carlist King of Spain - in practice it's likely that he won't be acknowledged nor as Reigning Duke nor as Reigning King), in the same way it's not possible a personal union of the (former) Kingdom of the Two Sicilies and the Kingdom of Spain.
But I'm not sure whether the prohibition of the personal union was only for the Two Sicilies and Spain or also for Parma and Spain.

Marengo 01-18-2011 05:11 AM

On January 23rd or 21st the duke and duchess are expected to attend a mass to commemorate the late king Louis XVI at La Chapelle, Paris:

Le duc et la duchesse de Parme à la messe commémorant la mort du roi Louis XVI | Noblesse & Royautés

lucien 01-26-2011 11:30 PM

:bourbonparma:
His Royal Highness the Duke of Parma turns 41 today.

Marengo 02-03-2011 11:47 AM

A picture of the couple, after the mass on the 23rd of January:

Carlos & Annemarie


More here: Le duc et la duchesse de Parme président la messe en souvenir du roi Louis XVI célébrée à la Chapelle Expiatoire | Noblesse & Royautés

MAfan 04-17-2011 02:34 PM

Duke Carlos and Duchess Annemarie of Parma and Piacenza and Prince Jaime, Count of Bardi, attended on 16 April 2011 the inauguration of the exibition "Libri a Corte. Le biblioteche dei Duchi di Parma da raccolte private a patrimonio della Nazione unita" (Books at Court. The libraries of the Dukes of Parma from private collections to heritage of the unified Nation"), at the Palatine Library in Parma.
The exibition is dedicated to the late Duke Carlos Hugo, father of Duke Carlos and Prince Jaime.

The inauguration was followed by a concert, where was played a symphony composed in 1816-1824 by Maria Luisa, Duchess of Lucca and wife of the titular Duke of Parma at the time of the napoleonic invasion.

https://bibliotecapalatina.benicultur.../libri-a-corte
https://translate.google.it/translate...Flibri-a-corte

Marengo 04-19-2011 07:01 AM

Some more pictures:

Carlo Saverio di Borbone duca di Parma alla biblioteca Palatina | Altezza Reale

https://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/nr...tina-de-parme/

Cory 04-21-2011 06:55 AM

Which are the relations between the Duke of Parma and the Duke of Aosta?

lucien 04-22-2011 09:24 AM

:bourbonparma:
Official photo's have been released today of HRH The Duke of Parma:

PPE Agency

courtesy PPE

:duchyofparma:

Cory 04-24-2011 11:25 AM

The nowadays Duke of Parma seems to be less "carlist" and more dedicated to the italian heritage.

MAfan 04-26-2011 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1235861)
Which are the relations between the Duke of Parma and the Duke of Aosta?

They are very distantly related, as their closest common ancestors are King Carlos IV (1748-1819) and Queen Maria Luisa (1751-1819) of Spain.

Cory 05-07-2011 04:17 PM

Prince Michel and his wife Princess Maria -Pia will be tomorrow in Issigeac ( at a legitimist meeting) for a conference:

Le prince Michel de Bourbon-Parme à Issigeac » Noblesse & Royautés

Princess Marie-Caroline with her aunt at the beginning of the anniversary of 800 years of the Cathedral of Reims:

Les 800 ans de la cathédrale de Reims » Noblesse & Royautés

Kasumi 05-09-2011 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1237659)
The nowadays Duke of Parma seems to be less "carlist" and more dedicated to the italian heritage.

Official communique by Carlos Javier of Bourbon-Parma, Duke of Parma and 'King of the Spaniards'.
This message is published to his supporters, reaffirming his rights to the Crown of Spain.
Nuevo pretendiente carlista a la corona de España. europapress.es
EL CARLISMO CONTRA LA GLOBALIZACIÓN: MENSAJE AL PUEBLO CARLISTA DE S.M.C. DON CARLOS JAVIER II DE BORBÓN, REY DE LAS ESPAÑAS
I wonder what happens now?

Katrianna 05-11-2011 01:03 AM

This could possibly get interesting especially with his Queen aunt and his mother.

Cory 05-11-2011 04:13 AM

I suppose the Duke of Parma should not continue the carlist dreams of his father.

dilsnub 05-11-2011 04:17 AM

now what is carlist exactly?

Cory 05-11-2011 04:21 AM

At the beginning carlism was a movement of those who do not recognize Queen Isabella II and wanted her unche don Carlos as King.With Prince Carlos Hugo it became a rather mixled political group linked even with "socialist" ideas.

Cory 05-13-2011 04:11 PM

Interview (in Italian) with the Duke of Parma:

Carlo Saverio di Borbone duca di Parma: un principe paladino dello “sviluppo sostenibile” | Altezza Reale

Richardhwinn 07-02-2011 09:17 PM

Hello, does anyone know the current line of succession of the Ducal House of Parma and Piacenza? If so please enlighten me to whom is in line to the Headship? Is any of the Grand Ducal House of Luxembourg in line to succession?

MAfan 07-03-2011 05:53 AM

The line of succession is as follows:
1. Prince Jaime, Count of Bardi, the brother of Duke Carlos; unmarried and without issue;
2. Prince Sixte Henri, younger brother of the late Duke Carlos Hugo and uncle of Duke Carlos and Prince Jaime; unmarried and without issue;
3. Prince Philipp, second cousin of Duke Carlos; his descendants are excluded because of his morganatic marriage;
4. Prince Alain, Philipp's younger brother; without issue;
5. Prince Michel, cousin of the late Duke Carlos Hugo and uncle of Philipp and Alain;
6. Prince Eric, first son of Michel;
7. Prince Michel, first son of Eric; unmarried and without issue;
8. Prince Henri, Eric's younger son; unmarried and without issue;
9. Prince Charles Emmanuel, Eric's younger brother;
10. Prince Amaury, Charles Emmanuel's son; unmarried and without issue;
11. Prince André, younger brother of Michel (n.5); his descendants are excluded because of his morganatic marriage;
12. Prince Remy, cousin of the late Duke Carlos Hugo; his descendants are excluded because of his morganatic marriage;
13. Prince Jean, younger brother of Remy; his descendants are excluded because of his morganatic marriage.

Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg would be 3rd in the line of succession, but in 1986 he renounced for himself and his family to the Bourbon-Parma titles and claims, after Duke Carlos Hugo acknowledged the marriages of the then Princes Henri (now Grand Duke) and Jean jr. as morganatic.

Without the 1986 renounciation, the line of succession would be:
1. Prince Jaime, Count of Bardi, the brother of Duke Carlos; unmarried and without issue;
2. Prince Sixte Henri, younger brother of the late Duke Carlos Hugo and uncle of Duke Carlos and Prince Jaime; unmarried and without issue;
3. Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg;
4. Grand Duke Henri of Luxembourg, GD Jean's eldest son; his descendants are excluded because of his morganatic marriage;
5. Prince Jean of Luxembourg, Jean's second son; his descendants are excluded because of his morganatic marriage;
6. Prince Guillaume of Luxembourg, Jean's youngest son; his descendants are excluded because of his morganatic marriage;
7. Prince Philipp, second cousin of Duke Carlos; his descendants are excluded because of his morganatic marriage;
8. Prince Alain, Philipp's younger brother; without issue;
9. Prince Michel, cousin of the late Duke Carlos Hugo and uncle of Philipp and Alain;
10. Prince Eric, first son of Michel;
11. Prince Michel, first son of Eric; unmarried and without issue;
12. Prince Henri, Eric's younger son; unmarried and without issue;
13. Prince Charles Emmanuel, Eric's younger brother;
14. Prince Amaury, Charles Emmanuel's son; unmarried and without issue;
15. Prince André, younger brother of Michel (n.5); his descendants are excluded because of his morganatic marriage;
16. Prince Remy, cousin of the late Duke Carlos Hugo; his descendants are excluded because of his morganatic marriage;
17. Prince Jean, younger brother of Remy; his descendants are excluded because of his morganatic marriage.

Richardhwinn 07-03-2011 05:36 PM

Thanks for the information. I know that sometime a question of validity of a renunciation can occur, is this a possible case for the former Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg and his descendants?

iceflower 09-09-2011 10:09 AM

Princess Annemarie with Piet de Jong, Dries van Agt, Ruud Lubbers, Wim Kok and Jan Peter Balkenende
who've been interviewed for Annemarie's book "De smaak van de macht" (The taste of power) that is
released this month.



** ppe gallery **

Charlotte_Aster 09-09-2011 12:46 PM

What is this book about?

MAfan 09-09-2011 02:25 PM

If I have correctly understood, the book collects the memoirs of five Dutch politicians of their terms of office as Prime Minister of the Netherlands.

Off topic: is Piet de Jong related to Jan Hessel de Jong, the husband of Princess Maria Teresa of Orleans-Bragança?

Princess Robijn 09-09-2011 03:07 PM

I don't know if they are related, but "de Jong" is a name that is very common here in the Netherlands.

iceflower 09-12-2011 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 1314502)
If I have correctly understood, the book collects the memoirs of five Dutch politicians of their terms of office as Prime Minister of the Netherlands.

That's how I would have described it as well


Today, September 12, Annemarie's book presentation has taken place in Den Haag.
Princess Irene and Duke Carlos attended as well.



** ppe gallery **

Cory 09-16-2011 03:49 PM

https://www.borboneparma.it/images/ev...nginternet.pdf

Cory 10-02-2011 03:48 PM

New event of the Constantinian Order of Saint George in the presence of the members of the Royal and Ducal Family of Bourbon-Parma:

I Borbone Parma ancora una volta nelle terre dell'antico ducato | Altezza Reale

Kasumi 10-21-2011 01:09 PM

Prince Sixtus Bourbon-Parma calls for 'a declaration of independence for French Canada' and transatlantic solidarity.
Article in French
Google translation into English

Cory 10-26-2011 06:42 PM

Why nobody of the Bourbon-Parma Dinasty was in Bucharest for the Jubilee of HM King Mihai I ?

maria-olivia 10-27-2011 07:03 AM

The Grand Duke Henri ’s Grandfather was HRH Prince Felix of Bourbon Parme.
He assisted also the Funerals of the late Archduke Felix of Habsbourg.
I wonder who is really the head of the Bourbon Parma now ?

Warren 10-27-2011 03:14 PM

:previous:
Sons of Roberto I, Duke of Parma & Piacenza, reigned 1854-1859 (Parma annexed to the Kingdom of Italy) -1907:
> Enrico I, Duke of Parma & Piacenza 1907-1939 (mentally retarded, unmarried)
> Giuseppe I, Duke of Parma & Piacenza 1939-1950 (mentally retarded, unmarried)
> Elias I, Duke of Parma & Piacenza 1950-1959, father of:
> Roberto II, Duke of Parma & Piacenza 1959-1974 (unmarried)

Duke Roberto II was succeeded by the eldest surviving son of Duke Roberto I:
> Xavier, Duke of Parma, Piacenza and the Annexed States 1974-1977, father of:
> Carlos Hugo, Duke of Parma & Piacenza 1977-2010, father of:
> Carlos Javier, Duke of Parma & Piacenza 2010- , Head of the Royal House of Bourbon-Parma

maria-olivia 10-27-2011 05:52 PM

Thanks Warren, lucky he was not excluded for his morganatic wedding . (see Mafan’s list above)

Warren 10-28-2011 10:50 AM

The status of his wedding does not affect Carlos Javier's position, but it may impact the dynastic status of any children.

An example of the childrens' dynastic status and right of succession being affected by "non-equal" marriage concerns Prince Pedro, Duke of Noto, only son of Carlos, Duke of Calabria, Head of the Royal House of the Two Sicilies [disputed by supporters of the 'rival' Duke of Castro].
Pedro has six children including four sons, the eldest born many years prior to his non-dynastic marriage. Although Pedro remains in line to succeed his father, none of the children, including the five born in wedlock, have dynastic status. After Pedro, the Headship will pass to another branch of the family.

maria-olivia 10-28-2011 02:04 PM

Interesting Warren and what about the Girls of the Duke of Castro and the girls of the Prince of Venice?
Have they as girls a dynastic Status . Will the headship after their fathers go to Prince Umberto, Grandson of Prince Amedeo of Savoie

Benjamin 10-28-2011 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren (Post 1331314)
An example of the childrens' dynastic status and right of succession being affected by "non-equal" marriage concerns Prince Pedro, Duke of Noto, only son of Carlos, Duke of Calabria, Head of the Royal House of the Two Sicilies [disputed by supporters of the 'rival' Duke of Castro].
Pedro has six children including four sons, the eldest born many years prior to his non-dynastic marriage. Although Pedro remains in line to succeed his father, none of the children, including the five born in wedlock, have dynastic status. After Pedro, the Headship will pass to another branch of the family.

Though that was indeed the case, it seems that Infante Carlos changed his position. When the birth of the Duke and Duchess of Noto's first daughter, Sofia, was announced in 2008, it was also stated (perhaps by Guy Stair Sainty... though I do not remember exactly) that the Infante had recognized their marriage and their issue as HRH Prince/Princess.

https://www.numendigital.com/index.ph...aching=3718046

iceflower 11-25-2011 03:32 AM

Baby news!
 
___________________


Duke Carlos Javier and Princess Annemarie are expecting their first child, it's been officially
announced by the secretariat of the family today. The baby is expected for late May 2012.




** Prinses Annemarie verwacht haar eerste kind ** translation **

Fanvanmaxima 11-25-2011 05:19 AM

That's great news!

Fan van Máxima » Prinses Annemarie in verwachting van eerste kindje

Google Vertaling

principessa 11-25-2011 07:53 AM

Suggested names and godparents for Annemarie's and Carlos' first child
 
For a prince: Carlos Jaime Hugo Hans
For a princess: Cecilia Irene Maria Eveline

Godparents for a prince:

Prince Jaime of Bourbon-Parma
The Prince of Orange
Hans Gualthérie van Weezel
two friends of them

Godparents for a princess:

Princess Margarita of Bourbon-Parma
Princess Marilénè of Oranje-Nassau, van Vollenhoven
Ank de Visser
two friends of them

Whats your suggestions?

Biri 11-26-2011 08:13 AM

Congrats to them!

A boy: Xavier Jaime Hans Sixto.
A girl: Marie Cecile Beatrice Ank.

I don't think that - in case of a boy - Carlos will be used as first name, because a father already has a son named Carlos Hugo.
Out of wedlock and not recognixed officially, but always a son.

Godparents: Prince Jaime or Princess Carolina (only one of them; second - for eventual second child), Prince Constantijn, Princess Marie-Gabrielle Lobkowicz, somebody from Annemarie;s family, some friends.

I think grandparents are to old to be godparents...It should be persons relatively young, in order to be able to replace biological parents, in case something happens to them.

Margarita's union with Tjalling is a non-sacramental union (she had religius wedding with her first husband), so she cannot be a godparent.

jonc93 11-28-2011 02:58 PM

A good Godparent would be Willem-Alexander or Maxima, that way their children can always have a close connection to the Dutch Royal Court After Beatrix passes away.

lucien 01-04-2012 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonc93 (Post 1341600)
A good Godparent would be Willem-Alexander or Maxima, that way their children can always have a close connection to the Dutch Royal Court After Beatrix passes away.

They already have that by their bloodline.

MAfan 01-09-2012 04:49 AM

Engagement of Princess Maria Carolina to Albert Brenninkmeijer
 
The secretariat of HRH Princess Irene of the Netherlands announced today the engagement of HRH Princess Maria Carolina of Bourbon-Parma, youngest daughter of the late Duke Carlos Hugo of Parma and of Princess Irene, to Albert Brenninkmeijer.
Their marriage will take place in 2012, although the exact date and place have not been announced yet.

Prinses Carolina stapt in het huwelijksbootje - Binnenland - AD
Google Traduttore

lucien 01-09-2012 05:19 AM

Fantastic news!Brenninkmeijer is of a wellknown family here in The Netherlands.

Albert Brenninkmeijer was born in Paris on may 17th 1974 and studied Economics at Edinburgh University as well as his MBA at Oxford.At present he is employed as a member of the board of C&A France,the international family business French branch.


The Princess was born on june 23rd 1974 at Nijmegen University hospital and studied political sciences at the University of Amsterdam and Harvard as well as "Forced migration" at Oxford.At present she is empleoyed at the UN HQ in Geneva at the Humanitarian Aid section.Previously she was stationed,ao,in Gaza and other troubled regions on the Globe.

The couple will get married in 2012.

:)

maria-olivia 01-09-2012 06:13 AM

Dear Lucien ,
I am sure you are happy!
Princes Friso and Constantijn married Dutch Girls
The 4 Van Vollenhoven married 4 Dutch Girls
Prince Carlos Xavier also a Dutch Girl and his Sister a Dutchman
the most lovely will marry this year a clever Dutchman.
What a Country !

Biri 01-09-2012 06:28 AM

Only Bernardo Guilllermo didn't marry a Dutch girl, but he is half-Cuban after his father (and they probably don't live permanently in Holland, but in New York, aren't they?).

Congrats to Maria-Carolina and Albert! They are already both mature people, so if they want to start a family, it's high time.
So it's only Jaime leaving single.
What a happy period for Princess Irene: In February she had a granddaughter (Paola ten Cate), in August her dughter-in-law got pregnant and now her youngest daughter got engaged!

Fanvanmaxima 01-09-2012 06:32 AM

Great news!

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Marc23 01-09-2012 06:48 AM

Little more about Brenninkmeijer family:

Brenninkmeijer family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

marine2109 01-09-2012 07:39 AM

Engagement of Princess Maria Carolina of Bourbon-Parma and Albert Brenninkmeijer
 
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Princess Caroline of Bourbon-Parma announces her wedding
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Kasumi 01-09-2012 07:42 AM

Fantastic news! Congratulations to the couple!:flowers:

lucien 01-09-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Biri (Post 1356086)
Only Bernardo Guilllermo didn't marry a Dutch girl, but he is half-Cuban after his father (and they probably don't live permanently in Holland, but in New York, aren't they?).

Congrats to Maria-Carolina and Albert! They are already both mature people, so if they want to start a family, it's high time.
So it's only Jaime leaving single.
What a happy period for Princess Irene: In February she had a granddaughter (Paola ten Cate), in August her dughter-in-law got pregnant and now her youngest daughter got engaged!

Jaime is not exactly single either...he's with Miss Paulette van Ommen
since quite a while.She also is a regular at most family festivities meanwhile.:smile:

Nicolas lives in Florida and is dating a girl there,Juliana Guillermo lives in London and dates,but none of their respective dates are Dutch either .

Fanvanmaxima 01-09-2012 10:45 AM

I expected that Jaime en Paulette would engage first. Suprise!

principessa 01-09-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fanvanmaxima (Post 1356179)
I expected that Jaime en Paulette would engage first. Suprise!

The same was also my opinion!

maria-olivia 01-09-2012 11:39 AM

Is Miss Paulette van Ommen also a Dutch Girl ?

lucien 01-09-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 1356197)
Is Miss Paulette van Ommen also a Dutch Girl ?

Yes she is Maria Olivia.:smile:

Fanvanmaxima 01-09-2012 12:35 PM

I'm wondering where the wedding will take place. I hope it will be in the Netherlands.

Marengo 01-09-2012 02:02 PM

Albert Brenninkmeijer is a member of the C&A clan (see link provided by Marc23). According to the 'quote 500', the Brenninkmeijers are the richest family of the country, with an estimated worth of 21 billion euros (there are a lot of family members though).

NGalitzine 01-09-2012 02:14 PM

21 Billion goes a long way no matter how big the family.

empress sissi 01-09-2012 02:30 PM

Wow, another wedding this year. Congratulations to the couple!

Biri 01-09-2012 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lucien (Post 1356173)
Jaime is not exactly single either...he's with Miss Paulette van Ommen
since quite a while.She also is a regular at most family festivities meanwhile.:smile:

Nicolas lives in Florida and is dating a girl there,Juliana Guillermo lives in London and dates,but none of their respective dates are Dutch either .

I know about Paulette van Ommen and CHristine Eynon, but we still don't know if these relationships will end in marriage; from the formal point of view Jaime, Nicolas and Juliana are still single (and Maria-Carolina too - yet!)

MagMil 01-09-2012 02:50 PM

Congratulations , wonderful news ♫♫♫♫♫

Saschana 01-09-2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NGalitzine (Post 1356252)
21 Billion goes a long way no matter how big the family.

There are said to be about 500 members, I don't know how the wealth is spread but I don't think any family member needs to struggle.

claypoint2 01-09-2012 09:54 PM

What lovely news! Maria Carolina is one of my favorites, in part because of her longstanding commitment to serving others who are in distress.

May she have a long and satisfying life with Mr. Brenninkmeijer; may they make each other truly happy. Cheers!

Marengo 01-10-2012 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Saschana (Post 1356317)
There are said to be about 500 members, I don't know how the wealth is spread but I don't think any family member needs to struggle.

The family is rather traditional and secretive (protecting their privacy) . But once in a while an article is published about them. There was some (soft) criticism about the rule that female members are paid to give up their share in the family assets. The family is catholic btw. The brothers Clemens & August Brenninkmeijer moved to the Netherlands in the 19th century and opened the first store in 1841 in Sneek. Originally the family is from Memmingen, Germany.

The family was in the news in 2011 for criticism on their private bank 'Anthos'. Because the bank is private (to provide services to family members) it pays less tax than a normal bank.

Marc23 01-10-2012 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 1356444)
The brothers Clemens & August Brenninkmeijer moved to the Netherlands in the 19th century and opened the first store in 1841 in Sneek. Originally the family is from Memmingen, Germany.

So,the family was/is originally German/Bavarian and moved to the Netherlands?

Similar like Limburg-Stirum and Merode families,but Brenninkmeijer family was not noble..did they have any noble connections,intermarried with nobles so far?

Cory 01-22-2012 03:30 AM

The future husband of Princess Marie'Caroline is catholic or protestant?

lucien 01-22-2012 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1361871)
The future husband of Princess Marie'Caroline is catholic or protestant?

I believe they are RC.:smile:...Not that it would matter in 2012AD as opposed to 2012BC......:biggrin:

One of his uncles is a priest here in Amsterdam.

maria-olivia 01-22-2012 05:46 AM

However I am glad for Princess Irene , an engagement and perhaps a marriage this year and for sure a first born Prince or Princess of Bourbon Parma.
By the way , Lucien my best wishes for 2012 and a glory Royal year for your country.

Marengo 01-23-2012 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc23 (Post 1356862)
So,the family was/is originally German/Bavarian and moved to the Netherlands?

Similar like Limburg-Stirum and Merode families,but Brenninkmeijer family was not noble..did they have any noble connections,intermarried with nobles so far?

Yes, I believe that they still have an annual family reunion in Memmingen, Bavaria actually.

I do not know of any marriages to nobles, but it wouldn't be surprising if there were some. The family is rather large. I do believe that many settled in Switzerland and Belgium over the years btw.

Fanvanmaxima 05-10-2012 12:43 PM

Yesterday Princess Annemarie gave birth to a daughter: Luisa Irene Constance Anna Maria

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lucien 05-10-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fanvanmaxima (Post 1410053)
Yesterday Princess Annemarie gave birth to a daughter: Luisa Irene Constance Anna Maria

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Mother and daughter are doing great.The wee Princess measures 52 centimeters and is the first child of the Ducal couple.

MagMil 05-10-2012 12:58 PM

Congratulation to the new parents :flowers: Luisa is lovely name :smile:

maria-olivia 05-10-2012 01:17 PM

All girls this year, Estelle of sweden , ? of Denmark, isabelle d’Orléans , Antoinette de Vendôme,... Philips.

Congratulations for the first born of the House of Bourbon Parme and am glad that her second name is Irene .

Biri 05-10-2012 05:15 PM

Beautiful name Louisa! A little cousin-playmate for Julia and Paola.

Congrats to parents and grandparents!

Cory 05-14-2012 01:21 PM

Borbone Parma - 9 Maggio 2012 - E' nata la Principessa Luisa Irene


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