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wbenson 02-01-2010 04:49 PM

State Visit from Pope Benedict XVI: September 16-19, 2010
 
Pope Benedict XVI confirms first state visit to UK -Times Online

The Pope has today confirmed that he will be visiting Britain later this year, the first state visit to this country by the worldwide head of the Roman Catholic Church.

The Queen has, in the last few days, issued the formal invitation to the Pope to visit for four days in mid-September. The visit will start in Scotland and take in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Birmingham and London, where the Pope will deliver an historic address in Westminster Hall, Parliament. It will be the first state visit by a Pope to Britain, as that of his predecessor Pope John Paul II in 1982 was a pastoral visit only.

Renata4711 03-14-2010 04:24 PM

The Queen and the Pope's Visit, Sept 16 & 17, 2010
 
Pope Benedict XVI will visit Scotland in September this year.

It will be his first visit to Britain since his enthronement, and the first visit of a Pope since John Paul II.

Benedict XVI and Queen Elizabeth II will meet each other as Heads of State.

Renata4711 03-14-2010 04:35 PM

No sooner is the Pope's visit announced, there is opposition to the visit by the National Secular Society, in the shape of a Ten Downing Street Petition:

BBC News - Petition against Pope Benedict XVI's UK visit

"We the undersigned, petition the Prime Minister to ask the Catholic church to pay for the proposed visit of the Pope to the UK and relieve the taxpayer of the estimated £20 million cost......"

wbenson 03-16-2010 11:56 PM

Announcement of Papal Visit to the UK, 16 March 2010

At the invitation of Her Majesty The Queen, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI will pay a Papal Visit to the United Kingdom from the 16th-19th September 2010.

wbenson 08-25-2010 11:31 PM

Prince Philip to greet Poope on arrival at airport - Scotsman.com News

The Duke of Edinburgh is to greet the Pope when he arrives at Edinburgh airport next month - the first time the Queen's consort has been dispatched to meet a visiting head of state.

wbenson 09-15-2010 03:13 AM

Pope visit: Pomp of state visit for Benedict XVI in secular Britain - Telegraph

The papal plane touches down tomorrow morning in the most secular country Benedict XVI has ever visited, yet he will still be met with the full pomp and ceremony of a state visit.

Iluvbertie 09-15-2010 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wbenson (Post 1136935)
Pope visit: Pomp of state visit for Benedict XVI in secular Britain - Telegraph

The papal plane touches down tomorrow morning in the most secular country Benedict XVI has ever visited, yet he will still be met with the full pomp and ceremony of a state visit.


A 'secular' country with an established church seems a contradiction in terms.


A wouldn't have thought that Britain was any more secular than Australia with the addition of having a Head of State who is also Supreme Governor of another Christian denomination.

wbenson 09-15-2010 04:23 AM

I believe that secular in this case refers to the people and not to the government.

wbenson 09-15-2010 04:32 AM

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Queen’s speech of praise as she welcomes the Pope

The Queen will praise the Roman Catholic Church for its work on education and social care as she welcomes Pope Benedict XVI to Britain tomorrow on an historic State Visit.

She will highlight the Church’s work in faith schools and caring for the sick and elderly in a public speech and during private discussions at Edinburgh’s Palace of Holyroodhouse, sources said yesterday.

iceflower 09-16-2010 06:58 AM

_________________

First pics of day 1:

Queen Elizabeth welcomes Pope Benedict XVI as he arrives at the Palace
of Holyroodhouse, in Edinburgh, Scotland, Thursday September 16, 2010.


** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** gettyimages gallery **

Cory 09-16-2010 09:05 AM

You can watch all the moments of this this historic event live:

The Visit Live / Home - The Visit

kbk 09-16-2010 11:56 AM

I think I saw Earl of St Andrews among the guests at the State welcome in Edinburgh. Am I right? Any info about other members of the Royal Family, except the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh, meeting the Pope today? Will the Pope meet the Prince of Wales? Will the Pope, at a dinner for example, meet any other British Royals?
When can I saw again the broadcast of the Pope's arrival at the airport and to the Holyroodhouse Palace?

Al_bina 09-16-2010 12:07 PM

Pope's UK Trip (PHOTOS): Pope Benedict XVI Makes Controversial Visit To Britain

Lumutqueen 09-16-2010 12:37 PM

POPE'S UK VISIT: Benedict XVI likens rise of atheism to Nazis | Mail Online

I'm very glad that he's visiting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbk (Post 1137459)
I think I saw Earl of St Andrews among the guests at the State welcome in Edinburgh. Am I right? Any info about other members of the Royal Family, except the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh, meeting the Pope today? Will the Pope meet the Prince of Wales? Will the Pope, at a dinner for example, meet any other British Royals?
When can I saw again the broadcast of the Pope's arrival at the airport and to the Holyroodhouse Palace?

I doubt you've seen Earl of St Andrews at the state arrival, i've looked throw the pictures and they would have said his name, I think.

A state dinner isn't on the agenda, but he might meet other members in private. There hasn't been any articles to say that he will meet any other members of the royals, we might see some pictures when he's down in London tommorow.
If you check out YouTube, i'm sure something should be up or a news website.

Wisteria 09-16-2010 01:45 PM

I don´t think that Pope Benedict ever has a formal dinner on the many state visits he has made.
From what I could see he was made very welcome in Scotland.
Camilla was married to a Catholic, but I am not sure whether her children have been brought up in this religion or whether they are C of E.

kbk 09-16-2010 04:26 PM

I'm pretty sure there was Earl of St Andrews... I googled him right now and I recognize his face... I was watching live webcast at the papalvisit.org.uk website during the ceremony of state welcome, when the Queen and the Pope were giving their speeches. He was there, I believe in the same group as Cardinal O'Brien, Dr Williams and First Minister Salmond.
I think the Catholic Windsors may have huge interest in meeting the Pope, their faith's leader. It is a rare occassion, as he is in the UK, where they are on a privilleged position, and as a guest of the Queen, their cousin.Why wouldn't they use this opportunity?

Cory 09-16-2010 06:23 PM

The Speech of the Holy Father at Holyroodhouse:

Papal Visit 2010: Pope’s Holyroodhouse speech – full text*|*CatholicHerald.co.uk



The Speech of HM Queen Elisabeth II at Holyroodhouse:

Papal Visit 2010: Queen’s speech to Pope Benedict – full text*|*CatholicHerald.co.uk




The Homily of the Holy Father at Bellahouston Park Mass:

Papal Visit 2010: Pope’s homily at Bellahouston Park – full text*|*CatholicHerald.co.uk

CarolMR 09-16-2010 07:59 PM

I just saw a news report here in New York that the Queen welcome Pope Benedict in Scotland. They said this was the first official visit of a pope to Great Britain in 500 years. They showed a picture of an outdoor Mass in Scotland. It looked like an extremely large turnout for a country, Scotland, that is probably 99% Presbyterian.

Russophile 09-16-2010 08:10 PM

Here you be:


Pope likens the rise of atheism in Britain to the Nazis as he admits his 'shock and sadness' over abuse scandal

Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0zk03xw3R


I LOVE the red shoes!

Lumutqueen 09-17-2010 02:56 AM

POPE'S UK VISIT: Susan Boyle and 70,000 drown out the cynics | Mail Online

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After all those threats and all that ranting from the secular lobby, it wasn't an 'aggressive atheist' who embarrassed the Pope on Day One of his British tour. It was the Scottish weather.
As the Holy Father stood alongside the Queen on the royal dais for the formal welcome at the Palace of Holyroodhouse yesterday morning, along came a burst of sea breeze from the North Sea and Pope Benedect XVI's little white cap went flying off its silvery perch.
Quick as a flash, the Pope grabbed his zucchetto and solemnly waited until the strains of God Save The Queen had died away before putting it back in his head.

And that, frankly, was the nearest we got to a glitch at the start of the first Papal visit to Britain in 28 years.

Cory 09-17-2010 03:09 AM

It is not true that 99% of scots are presbyterian .The two main Churches in Scotland are:presbyterian Church of Scotland with 42% of the population and Catholic Church with 16% of the population.The number of cattholics is increasing.

Her_Majesty 09-17-2010 10:04 AM

Scotland Yard foils potential terrorist attack on Pope


Reports on Friday confirm that British police have arrested five men in connection with a suspected terrorist plot to attack Pope Benedict XVI during his state visit to Britain.

The arrests were confirmed by Scotland Yard who said that they were made early this morning in terms of the Terrorism Act.

The whole articel:
Scotland Yard foils potential terrorist attack on Pope : NewsTime : World News

Lumutqueen 09-17-2010 12:31 PM

POPE'S UK VISIT: Five men arrested over plot to harm Benedict XVI | Mail Online

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Police arrested five street cleaners in a dawn raid today after receiving information they were allegedly plotting to harm the Pope.

The suspects were arrested by Scotland Yard at 5.45am at business premises in the centre of London and are now being questioned by counter-terror detectives.
They were working for Veolia Environmental Services, a contractor which employs 650 on-street staff to keep Westminster's streets clean.

Searches are underway at properties across the capital but Benedict XVI's schedule in the city is currently continuing as planned.
POPE'S UK VISIT: Benedict defends Christmas and warns religion must not be sidelined in Parliament speech | Mail Online

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- Easter and Christmas should not be discouraged by fear of offending others
- Christians in public roles should be allowed to act according to conscience
- Lack of ethical foundation resulted in financial crisis, he tells politicians
- Applause for Pope as he continues without incident despite terror threat

sophie25 09-17-2010 02:49 PM

I saw it live on TV and it wasn't the Earl of St Andrews but his brother Lord Nicholas and his wife. They were seen talking to the Pope at the reception in a marquee in the grounds of Holyrood Palace. Lady Nicholas was wearing a pale blue coat and fascinator and she and her husband seemed very familiar with the Pope whom I think they have met before.

carlota 09-18-2010 02:46 AM

great pictures, i'm glad the pope visited the UK and had such a full programme and moved about in the country.
has the official schedule been released?

Cory 09-18-2010 05:59 AM

Article-Events Timeline / 2010 Visit / Home - The Visit

Holy Mass presided by the Holy Father in Westminster Cathedral in London now live :

Live Webcast / The Visit Live / Home - The Visit

I suppose only Princess Marie-Christine of Kent was present at todau papal Mass in Westminster Cathedral.I didn't notice the duchess of Kent or Lord Nicholas Windsor.

sophie25 09-18-2010 08:41 AM

I saw Princess Michael sitting in the front row of the church with Lord and Lady St Andrews and their children. The Princess is also set to play a leading role in the remainder of the visit according to the report below.

Princess Michael of Kent to attend Birmingham Town Hall concert | birminghamnewsroom.com

Dierna23 09-18-2010 11:24 AM

:previous: Thanks for the information, Angela! And to everyone else for all the links and infos. I'm delighted to see the Pope visiting England.

Lumutqueen 09-18-2010 11:29 AM

POPE'S UK VIST: Pope Benedict meets with David Cameron as he celebrates mass in Westminster Cathedral | Mail Online

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Pope Benedict XVI gave his most strident apology for the 'unspeakable' child abuse crimes plaguing the Catholic Church as the Vatican hinted he could meet some of the victims of sexual abuse.

Speaking during a packed service at Westminster Cathedral, he expressed his gratitude for the efforts being made to tackle the problem of child abuse among the clergy.
It comes after he met with Prime Minister David Cameron before the service as he began the third day of his UK tour

Duchessmary 09-18-2010 03:48 PM

Mass? At Westminister?? I wonder if Henry VIII is spinning in his grave. LOL

Cory 09-18-2010 04:23 PM

Westminster Cathedral not Westminster abbey...

Iluvbertie 09-18-2010 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duchessmary (Post 1138152)
Mass? At Westminister?? I wonder if Henry VIII is spinning in his grave. LOL


Westminster has two large churches. The Abbey which dates from 1066 and Edward the Confessor which is where the monarchs are crowned and many are buried but after the Split with Rome and the Dissolution of the Monasteries the Abbey became an Anglican establishment and is to this day.

In the late 1800s the new Cathedral at Westminster was started and was finished in 1903. Westminster Cathedral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is at this second building where the Pope would have conducted the mass.

CarolMR 09-18-2010 08:42 PM

"I think the Catholic Windsors may have huge interest in meeting the Pope, their faith's leader." - kbk

What do you mean by "Catholic Windsors"? Are there any? Please forgive the question if it is a silly one, but I'm an American and don't many things about British royalty.

Zonk 09-18-2010 09:05 PM

The known members of the British Royal Family (i.e. the Windsors) who are Catholic include Princess Michael of Kent, Katharine, Duchess of Kent, The Lord and Lady Nicholas Windsor, The Earl and Countess of St Andrews and their children.

I believe Lady Gabriella Windsor, Lord Fredick Windsor and Lady Helen (nee Windsor) Taylor are Anglicans. As are Prince Michael of Kent and The Duke of Kent. They remain the Line of Sucession.

Mermaid1962 09-18-2010 09:24 PM

Didn't Prince Michael lose his place in the Line of Succession when he married Marie-Christine von Reibnitz?:ermm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zonk (Post 1138204)
I believe Lady Gabriella Windsor, Lord Fredick Windsor and Lady Helen (nee Windsor) Taylor are Anglicans. As are Prince Michael of Kent and The Duke of Kent. They remain the Line of Sucession.


Iluvbertie 09-19-2010 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mermaid1962 (Post 1138206)
Didn't Prince Michael lose his place in the Line of Succession when he married Marie-Christine von Reibnitz?:ermm:


Yes he did.

The Duke of Kent kept his place because the Duchess was an Anglican at the time of their marriage. Prince Michael lost his because his wife was a Roman Catholic at the time of their marriage.

The Duke's children and grandchildren who have converted, married or been baptised/confirmed as Roman Catholics are also out of the line of succession to the throne but not to the title Duke of Kent so that title will have a Roman Catholic holder at some time in the future.

The children and grandchildren of the Duke and those of Prince Michael who have been raised Anglican and remain within that communion are still in the line of succession.

Lumutqueen 09-19-2010 04:10 AM

POPE'S UK VIST: 'My shame and humiliation' - Pope's emotional apology over 'unspeakable' child abuse as he meets five British victims | Mail Online

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Pope Benedict XVI yesterday issued his strongest apology yet for child abuse by the clergy, denouncing it as an ‘unspeakable crime’.
In a sermon at Westminster Cathedral, the Pope expressed his ‘deep sorrow’ to victims of sexual abuse by priests, and said the scandal had shamed him and the Church.
‘I think of the immense suffering caused by the abuse of children, especially within the Church and by her ministers,’ he told the congregation.

POPE'S UK VIST: Glastonbury with God: Banners, Pilgrim Picnics and singing and dancing...as 80,000 flock to Hyde Park | Mail Online

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From early morning they arrived in their thousands from across Britain: people wanting to see the Pope.
Some went to Westminster Cathedral, others to Vauxhall to St Peter’s home for the elderly. Many chose the Mall to watch Benedict XVI in his Popemobile.
But most of all they rushed to Hyde Park – 80,000 of them – for the prayer vigil with the Pontiff.


kbk 09-19-2010 08:56 AM

Princess Michael, along with her husband's nephew Earl of St Andrews and his family, attended Papal mass at the Westminster Cathedral in London, yesterday, and attended also the Papal open-air mass of Beatification of Cardinal John Henry Newman in Birmingham, today. She also attended several events connected with the Beatification before.
Check out:
Translation of remains of Cardinal Newman at his Birmingham Oratory / Local News / Media Centre / Catholic Church / Root - The Catholic Church for England and Wales
We can see the Windsors here YouTube - POPE Westminster Cathedral 2010 part 2 , at the 11th minute,
and here YouTube - POPE Westminster Cathedral 2010 part 1 from 1:54 until 2:11. The Princess' presence is mentioned by the BBC man.
It must be also at today's highlitghs from Cofton Park, but it's not yet at youtube. Do you have it from any other source?

kbk 09-19-2010 09:02 AM

I think it is worth to remind that when Pope John Paul II visited the UK, which was the first papal visit in the UK ever, he was welcomed at the airport by the Duke of Norfolk on behalf of the Queen. The Duke was one of the most prominent people in the country as the Earl Marshal and the most prominent British peer, as the premier Duke and Earl of England, and he was Catholic. The Howards' history, closely connected with the recusancy, is very fascinating. They remained the Britain's first aristocratic family (I read somewhere about them, as the second family of Britain after the Royal Family) even if they remained also Catholic and did not follow the Reformation. End of an off topic story ;-)

Edit: I found here https://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news...%93-full-text/ , that the current Duke of Norfolk also attend the mass at the Wesminster Cathedral. After the mass, the Windsors, the Duke and other present dignitaries, including former PM Tony Blair with, I suppouse, his family, met with the Pope.

CarolMR 09-19-2010 01:27 PM

Tony Blair is a convert to Catholicism, isn't he? While I was watching Pope Benedict in Great Britain on the TV news here in the US, the caption under him kept reading, "Catholics are Forbidden to Claim the British Throne." Even though that's true, I thought it was a little unfair to keep reminding Americans of that. And the news also stated that this is the first "official" visit to Great Britain by a pope in 500 years, since breaking with Rome. How can that be true? Pope John Paul II visited during his Papacy.

Zonk 09-19-2010 01:45 PM

The Howard family is also where Anne Boleyn, 2nd wife of King Henry VIII descends from. Her mother was Elizabeth Howard Boleyn. Henry's 5th wife Catherine Howard is also from the family.

kbk 09-19-2010 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarolMR (Post 1138380)
Tony Blair is a convert to Catholicism, isn't he? While I was watching Pope Benedict in Great Britain on the TV news here in the US, the caption under him kept reading, "Catholics are Forbidden to Claim the British Throne." Even though that's true, I thought it was a little unfair to keep reminding Americans of that. And the news also stated that this is the first "official" visit to Great Britain by a pope in 500 years, since breaking with Rome. How can that be true? Pope John Paul II visited during his Papacy.

Roman Catholic Pope has never paid an official state visit to the British Islands until Benedict XVI's. John Paul II was the first pope on the British soil, true, but this was only a pastoral visit, which he paid as a religous leader. Now, his successor was received also as a head of state. Protocol says, that such visits are marked by some ceremonial actions, such as an official state welcome at the receiving monarch's or presiden's official residence, a gun salute (I suppouse Benedict XVI was given one), inspeting the guards of honour, an audience with the monarch or president, exchange of gifts and meeting with the highest dignitaries of the welcoming state, such as head and members of the government and head and members of the parliament. State visits may be paid only on the highest level of the structure of power, meaning only a head of state may pay a state visit to another head of state. It is a tradition that a reigning monarchs should pay a state visit to a country only one time during his reign. As far as I know, Elizabeth II does so, with the exception of visits to the Commonwealth member-states. One more thing about the representation during the state visits, I think Benedict XVI should be welcomed at the airport in Edinurgh by the Queen herslef, and not the Duke of Edinburgh on her behalf. But, It is still a higher person welcoming the pope at his arrival than it was at John Paul II's arrival, when he was welcomed by the Duke of Norfolk on behalf of The Queen. But, as I said, it was not a state visit.

Tony Blair has converted to Catholicism in 2007, after his premiership. His wife Cherie Blair nee Booth is a Catholic. The UK has never been governed by a Catholic prime minister. Queen Victoria's PM Benjamin Disraeli was Jewish by birth, but converted to Anglicanism before becoming PM.

From wiki:
Succession in the United Kingdom is also governed by the Act of Union 1800, which restates the provisions of the Act of Settlement 1701 and the Bill of Rights (1689). These laws stipulate that those who are not legitimate descendants of Sophia, Electress of Hanover and those who have ever been Roman Catholics, or who have married Roman Catholics, are disbarred from succeeding to the Crown. The descendants of those who are disbarred for becoming or marrying Roman Catholics, however, may still be eligible to succeed.

Sereta 09-19-2010 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbk (Post 1138315)
Princess Michael, along with her husband's nephew Earl of St Andrews and his family, attended Papal mass at the Westminster Cathedral in London, yesterday, and attended also the Papal open-air mass of Beatification of Cardinal John Henry Newman in Birmingham, today. She also attended several events connected with the Beatification before.
Check out:
Translation of remains of Cardinal Newman at his Birmingham Oratory / Local News / Media Centre / Catholic Church / Root - The Catholic Church for England and Wales
We can see the Windsors here YouTube - POPE Westminster Cathedral 2010 part 2 , at the 11th minute,
and here YouTube - POPE Westminster Cathedral 2010 part 1 from 1:54 until 2:11. The Princess' presence is mentioned by the BBC man.
It must be also at today's highlitghs from Cofton Park, but it's not yet at youtube. Do you have it from any other source?

Wonderful video recordings of this historic visit. Thank you.

Cory 09-19-2010 04:59 PM

The visit was a real triumf for the Catholic Church and for ecumenism.

Lumutqueen 09-20-2010 02:36 AM

I am very glad that he came to visit, and the Vatican called his trip "wonderful" and it truely was.

Charlotte1 09-20-2010 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zonk (Post 1138204)
The known members of the British Royal Family (i.e. the Windsors) who are Catholic include Princess Michael of Kent, Katharine, Duchess of Kent, The Lord and Lady Nicholas Windsor, The Earl and Countess of St Andrews and their children.

I believe Lady Gabriella Windsor, Lord Fredick Windsor and Lady Helen (nee Windsor) Taylor are Anglicans. As are Prince Michael of Kent and The Duke of Kent. They remain the Line of Sucession.

The Earl of St Andrews is not catholic, he's still Anglican, but his wife is catholic. Their children went (and are going) to catholic boarding schools, they were originally christened in the Anglican church but the oldest 2 Baron Downpatrick and Lady Marina-Charlotte made their confirmation in the catholic church and are now catholics. The youngest Lady Amelia (currently technically still Anglican) will probably make a catholic confirmation as well since she's in a catholic school.

The Duke of Kent is still in the line of succession, his oldest son isn't as he married a catholic, his youngest son and children are all catholic. Lady Helen and her family remain Anglican.

Prince Michael of Kent is not in the line of succession, he married a catholic, his children were christened as Anglican and remain as members of the Anglican church. Lord Frederick married in an Anglican ceremony.

Moonmaiden23 09-22-2010 02:06 AM

I don't think I have ever heard such glorious choral music as I have heard during this Papal visit to Britain...at both Westminster Abbey and Westminster Cathedral the choirs sounded so beautiful! :whistling:

CyrilVladisla 11-05-2016 10:51 PM

Pope Benedict XVI's farewell speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXNiG5hEhiM


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