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USCtrojan 05-29-2004 02:47 PM

Charles and Diana
 
Post here about Charles and Diana and thier marriage with info and photos!

lala22 05-29-2004 04:38 PM

Diana was a wonderful Princess of Wales, irreplaceable and precious, however there's no way I'll ever believe she really loved Prince Charles.

Ever hear of the saying, 'You protest too much my dear'? Well, Prince Charles protested his lack of love too much and Diana insisted on her undying love too much, and there may have more truth in the reverse than anyone suspects.

If Charles was not Prince of Wales, would Diana have ever been interested in him? In real life, has anyone ever seen anyone like Diana marrying a common man like Charles, with the exception of Julia Roberts and Lyle Lovitt of course? Charles is really too geeky and prissy to inspire such undying passion.

So I believe Diana was in love with the idea of marrying the Prince of Wales, she was in love with the idea of being the Princess of Wales, she was in love with the idea of the Prince of Wales being in love with her, she was in love with the idea of being the queen of hearts, cherished and beloved by all. And she deserved all of that, but not because she had a deep and profound love for Charles.

marina18 06-02-2004 12:11 PM

Hi Lala,

Since I was 14 or 15 (I'm 23 now) Diana became my inspiration.
I read everything about her, saw many pictures, taped the BBC interview and replayed it many, many times...
I was devastated when I heard the news of her death and for days couldn't believe it - my great inspiration I always hoped to meet some day in some way...

I viewed her as the victim - the sweet romantic, innocent girl who happened to fall in love with a rather stiff person. I still to this day believe her intentions were innocent and she was naive. You know it if you look at her and see her talk.
But, Lala, you have hit the nail with some of your observations I have to say. I have come to believe some things in the course of the years too...
As I got older I have also come to believe she lacked a certain father figure in her life. Charles was definitely much older and she once said she had so many dreams as a young girl; she thought she would mary a man who would support her and be like a father to her. I recognize that.
But she also said that at thirteen she told her father she would mary someone in the public eye, an important man. And she wanted to keep herself to herself for what was to come.
So I do think she was very flattered by the fact Charles was a future king. Definitely. This girl was obviously waiting for someone very special to come along.

I have also become a bit sceptical for some reason if she was really in love with Charles... Maybe she thought she was. i mean he was a lot older and not quite a catch for such a young beautiful lively fun girl. He was a TOTALLY different person than she was and I doubt they ever had anything in common except for some superficial interests.

I have come to think it's just too easy to see Charles as the bad man and Diana as the sweet innocent girl. I mean her way of acting the victim she really placed Charles in a position he just couldn't fight. Because in the end; who do you believe?

Don't take me wrong; there's absolutely no excuse for Charles' behavior, his open (to Diana) affair with Camilla, the cold way he treated Diana when she cut herself etc. I really believe it placed Diana in a terrible and hopeless position.
But I also don't approve of her affairs. If you're a truly honest person you don't have an affair within a marriage EVEN IF you husband does. If you are an honest person you devorce your husband BEFORE you take someone else.
And I think she should have done this... I mean... why the hell did she stay married to Charles for almost FIFTEEN YEARS when she knew almost from the start (even before her wedding!!!) he loved someon else?
Was she too flattered in her position as loved princess?
No matter how tough a divorce would have been, even at an early stage within the marriage, she should have opted for this. I mean it was soon clear to her he didn't really care about Diana and loved someone else. You're crazy to stay married to someone for such a long time if you know this. You're just hurting yourself.

Also, take a look at this link; it is the 11 minute engagement interview from 1981 of Diana and Charles. Do you notice how much he is avoiding answering questions about if they are in love etc? It is obvious he isn't honest.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2516759.stm

I love Diana and she will always be a personal inspiration. She was sweet and caring. And her intentions were good. that I will always believe no matter what...

Marina

Bubbette 06-02-2004 12:59 PM

If he didn't say he was in love then he *was* being honest, no?

marina18 06-05-2004 01:40 PM

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If he didn't say he was in love then he *was* being honest, no?
I mean it isn't honest of him to mary someone he doesn't really love, and she believe he loved her.

sara1981 06-05-2004 05:22 PM

im interest of Princess Diana when she died in 1997 but i wanted to remind of her but i never met her before! they later i went to England to met Prince Charles at Prince's trust but i shake Prince Charles but im wishes i would met Princess Diana sometimes! but he nice man my mom said Prince Charles very sweet man.

Sara Boyce

American Chai 06-27-2004 09:52 PM

I don't know if anybody else on here watched it, but last night BBCAmerica replayed a special with Alistair Cooke commenting on the 1981 wedding. It showed a good deal of the pre-ceremony, the ceremony with vows and the after-ceremony. It's hard to believe she was only 19 and it's hard to believe that she's not alive anymore. She looked like she couldn't believe that it was actually happening. Watching the Prince, you wonder what he was thinking - why am I marrying a child? Why didn't I marry Camilla Shand?

I was nine years old when the wedding happened and I remember my mother waking me up really early to watch the wedding. At the time, I had absolutely no knowledge or interest in the royals. I was hooked. I remember it was an all-day affair on television.

babar100 06-28-2004 03:34 AM

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Originally posted by American Chai@Jun 27th, 2004 - 8:52 pm
I don't know if anybody else on here watched it, but last night BBCAmerica replayed a special with Alistair Cooke commenting on the 1981 wedding. It showed a good deal of the pre-ceremony, the ceremony with vows and the after-ceremony. It's hard to believe she was only 19 and it's hard to believe that she's not alive anymore. She looked like she couldn't believe that it was actually happening. Watching the Prince, you wonder what he was thinking - why am I marrying a child? Why didn't I marry Camilla Shand?

I was nine years old when the wedding happened and I remember my mother waking me up really early to watch the wedding. At the time, I had absolutely no knowledge or interest in the royals. I was hooked. I remember it was an all-day affair on television.

Yes i seen it. She seemed nervous with the mix-up of repeating Charles' full name when saying the vows. I just come to realize after watching how long the train on her dress actually were. To me, the bottom of the dress was wrinkled, but still looked nice at the moment I would guess. Anyway it was very sad and odd to see an event that opened a gate to a lot tragic things like their divorce and her death. Some how I thought while watching "don't do it Diana" but it's obviously too late :( the children in the wedding were adorable :)

julial 07-05-2004 08:10 AM

just a warning, no, I have no connection to Mr. Barrell, but when you are so bad, like Camila, I do believe that God is watching you. Diana will haunt you at your bedtime, Camila... Also, I heard that maids were ridiculing and laughing at Diana when she vomited out of nervousness the earlier time of the marriage. Can you believe how evil they were? Laugh at the expense of PDiana`s misfortunte. those should be punished as well :angry: :angry: :angry:

grecka 07-05-2004 09:29 AM

Watch out, this girl is the harbinger of darkness. :shock: :shock: :shock:

A.C.C. 07-05-2004 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by marina18@Jun 2nd, 2004 - 10:11 am
And I think she should have done this... I mean... why the hell did she stay married to Charles for almost FIFTEEN YEARS when she knew almost from the start (even before her wedding!!!) he loved someon else?

Diana did not want to divorce Charles ( so people close to her have said), thats why they stayed married for that long. I believe that if it wasn't for The Queen stepping up and saying you all need to divorce, if not for your sake but for the children's sake, they would have stayed married, yet seperated, up until she died. Yes, they should have divorced earlier, but when you are in Charles' and Diana's positions, divorce was and is unthinkable (at least it seemed like it to them).

Ennyllorac 07-05-2004 09:04 PM

I am a big Diana fan and I also realize she was no saint. However, I truly believe that Charles was very deceitful.

grecka 07-05-2004 09:06 PM

Isn't that precious

james 07-07-2004 08:44 PM

In her lifetime I was never a big " Di fan" nor was I a detractor. I could see the good points in her but also her flaws. However it was clear to me that as a teenager she was deeply "in love" as far as girls of that age think they are in love with man of 32. Of course in some cases marraiges like this work (if the two parties are devoted to each other) but if that is not the case one would expect the elder party to nip it in the bud. Charles didn't do that, instead he mumbled on about "Whatever love is" and thus I believe was highly responsible for the breakdown of his marraige. Has this man ever been able to make an important decision to this day? Clearly not considering his ongoing dithering over the Camilla situation.

dianafan 07-12-2005 07:42 PM

Prince Charles ever real princess have Diana loved? I doubt it! I believe of it nothing! Diana have loved Charles until its dead! I have read that in a book concerning its! I find Paul burrell the best butler and personal friend of princess Diana! He was its rock in the undertow, its confidant! He has just something seeing after he was accused of of robber stable whereas he the personal stuff ordinary had got of its boss, princess Diana!

dianafan 07-12-2005 07:49 PM

can someone say there that prince Charles has ever loved Diana princess? Weet someone that? I ask it simply!I gladly would know that, then am possible I perhaps improve myself to feel! I am a real supporter of princess Diana, I have read everything from its verloving to now! now does nothing do them gossip then concerning its, bad solicit whereas they can defend no longer, why nevertheless do themselves people that?

Jackswife 07-12-2005 08:54 PM

As someone pointed out (correctly) Diana was very young, inexperienced, and naive when she married Prince Charles, and though I believe she did love him after a fashion, as she got older and matured more and realized what exactly being married to him would entail for her (mainly, that she would have to get used to Camilla), she felt trapped in a loveless -on Charles' part-marriage, which led to her affair with James Hewett. It was basically a mismatch from the start and I think the only good that came of it are William and Harry.:)

dianafan 07-12-2005 10:29 PM

I think it to, that William and Harry the good things or in that marriage!
i have read that Prinscess Diana have loved Prince Charles till her died!

olivia_windsor 07-13-2005 08:57 AM

If Diana was not fall in love with Charles,she didn't care about Charles' love at all.
She just need to act the Princess well,go for shopping everyday or spent her vacation all over the world.why?

dianafan 07-14-2005 09:07 AM

You can say what you want, but princess Diana new life in rigid United Kingdom has blown! She was a very good princess! They dared then people cuddle with AIDS then other people frightened were touch aidspatienten, frightened for contagion!

RoseMary 07-14-2005 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackswife
As someone pointed out (correctly) Diana was very young, inexperienced, and naive when she married Prince Charles, and though I believe she did love him after a fashion, as she got older and matured more and realized what exactly being married to him would entail for her (mainly, that she would have to get used to Camilla), she felt trapped in a loveless -on Charles' part-marriage, which led to her affair with James Hewett. It was basically a mismatch from the start and I think the only good that came of it are William and Harry.:)

I agree, I think most people can agree that Charles still had Camilla on the brain and poor Diana didn't know any better. It is a shame that things turned out the way they did. Diana would be doing a lot of good work.

Squidgy 07-29-2005 10:31 PM

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It's hard to believe that it was 24 years ago today that the "fairytale" wedding of Charles and Diana took place. Of course, as we all know, there was anything but a fairytale ending. But, in spite of all the fighting, the tears, the ugly rumours, the affairs etc., there were some good times, as I hope these pictures show ...

Photo Source for these 3 posts: Rex features/Alpha/Photographers International/Syndication International/Tim Graham/Jayne Fincher

Squidgy 07-29-2005 10:35 PM

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... and some more ...

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... and the last set ...

Alicky 07-29-2005 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by julial
just a warning, no, I have no connection to Mr. Barrell, but when you are so bad, like Camila, I do believe that God is watching you. Diana will haunt you at your bedtime, Camila... Also, I heard that maids were ridiculing and laughing at Diana when she vomited out of nervousness the earlier time of the marriage. Can you believe how evil they were? Laugh at the expense of PDiana`s misfortunte. those should be punished as well :angry: :angry: :angry:

Personally, if Diana was as kind and compassionate as everyone says she is, I don't think haunting, cursing and vengeance would be too high on her list lol! :)

Where did you read about the staff laughing at her when she was vomiting? When did it happen? That is very sad. :(

corazon 07-29-2005 10:44 PM

I love the photos, you have more?

Victoria1999 07-29-2005 11:01 PM

Thank you for the photos.

I have been a big fan of Diana for a long time. In the last few years, however I read and watched many documentaries about Diana and I don't believe anymore that she was really this innocent young girl who was a victim of the royal family. I have believed for while that there was no love in the marriage since the very beginning, but now looking at the pictures above, I guess, I was wrong. It looks like that they were happy in the first years of the marriage. I am starting to believe more and more that all she did actually was a good theater.

I don’t blame her for the divorce. In any marriage that ends, it is always both sides fault.

corazon 07-29-2005 11:35 PM

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I cry with this photo. William With mummy and daddy's hands in spain 1987. The end of the fairtale. Very very loverly wills.

Photo from ITN Stills archive.

Ennyllorac 07-29-2005 11:46 PM

I am glad to see happy pictures of Charles and Diana. I just hope that we all stop laying blame on one side or the other. There are always two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Aussie Princess 07-30-2005 02:09 AM

I'm about the same age Diana was when she married, and I just can't imagine how she coped with any of it! But I think it seems they were once very very happy, and it's such a shame things went the way they did.

portergirl 07-30-2005 03:55 AM

I remember so well being with my fiance, psychic/medium Kenny Kingston, when he made the prediction during lectures and in the media that the marriage of newlyweds Charles and Diana wouldn't last: he also said Diana would never be Queen and Charles might likely never be King. He said there would be an indiscretion that would cause a breakup of the marriage. At the time, he got boos from audiences because they believed in the fairy tale romance as did most of us. I personally asked him not to make the prediction because I believed they would stay married! I think Diana loved Charles. Sure, she may have been flattered that a supposedly future King was interested in her - that might have added to the appeal. But I think she really loved him. Someone at this forum suggested she was full of "theater"? I suggest that would be Charles...he seemed like he loved Diana, too - yet we now know he was really in love with Camilla. So I think he was a better actor than Diana could ever be!! Why did Diana stay with Charles? Well, two little boys were one good reason!

Squidgy 07-30-2005 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ennyllorac
I am glad to see happy pictures of Charles and Diana. I just hope that we all stop laying blame on one side or the other. There are always two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

My sentiments exactly Ennyllorac! I must admit I am pretty tired of hearing people put the blame on one party, while implying the other party is completely innocent. I prefer to think that, more or less, both Charles and Diana are equally responsible for the collapse of their marriage. I know this is a simplistic view, but let's face it, no one, apart from Charles & Diana, will ever know exactly what happened in their relationship.

Yennie 08-09-2005 12:46 PM

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Diana and Charles taking a walk at Highgrove? in 1989

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Reina 08-09-2005 02:14 PM

You know hwat I have no problem putting ost of the blame on Charles. He was the man. h eshoudl have stood up and made the marriage work. He shoudl have dropped camilla and given all his attention to Diana. Yeah that seems a bit unrealistic, but it was his duty.

Alicky 08-09-2005 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Squidgy
My sentiments exactly Ennyllorac! I must admit I am pretty tired of hearing people put the blame on one party, while implying the other party is completely innocent. I prefer to think that, more or less, both Charles and Diana are equally responsible for the collapse of their marriage. I know this is a simplistic view, but let's face it, no one, apart from Charles & Diana, will ever know exactly what happened in their relationship.

I totally agree! :)

tiaraprin 08-10-2005 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Reina
You know hwat I have no problem putting ost of the blame on Charles. He was the man. h eshoudl have stood up and made the marriage work. He shoudl have dropped camilla and given all his attention to Diana. Yeah that seems a bit unrealistic, but it was his duty.


While both have to work at it in a marriage, Charles was totally incapable of being a married man. He was too selfish to share his life with Diana. Thus, Diana's problems went even more crazy!

sm1939 08-10-2005 05:55 AM

" There are three sides to every story.
your side , their side and the truth"

so who knows!

Squidgy 08-10-2005 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sm1939
" There are three sides to every story.
your side , their side and the truth"

How true sm1939!

Queen Mother 08-10-2005 07:11 PM

Just hoping this picture works:

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Source: Tim Graham

Queen Mother 08-10-2005 07:22 PM

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Sources: Tim Graham, Jayne Fincher and Natalie Matlers

ysbel 08-10-2005 08:18 PM

I'm a year younger than Diana and I remember being shocked at everybody saying how perfect this marriage choice was. I was 18 at the time of the engagement and thought that Charles 1) was not physically attractive 2) was acting like a middle aged man. 3) was too plodding, slow, and dull

Now I'm older and of course, I cherish those unattractive dull middle aged men ;) but Charles the man was not the type to set teenage hearts racing. Its no disrespect towards Charles but I still don't know what she saw in him at that age and time. When I visited England around William's birth, I met a couple of English working class guys and told them I wouldn't have married Charles if I had been Diana. One of them asked, "Oh wouldn't you want to be Queen of England?" That seemed to pretty much sum it up.

Diana's father said in an interview right around the wedding that when Charles asked him if he could marry Diana, "I wonder what he would have done if I had said no?". He should have said no.

Of everything that happened during the marriage still the biggest thing that shocked me was how in the beginning everyone said how great this would be. This was before anyone knew of Camilla and I still didn't see how it could work out.

Reina 08-10-2005 08:22 PM

Maybe Diana saw stability in an older, more mature man. I don't think being Queen of Great Britain and N. Ireland was her main goal. I think that she was pushed and prodded coupled with her crush on Charles.

Alicky 08-10-2005 09:01 PM

Personally, I like older men. I would not be surprised if in a couple years I don't end up with someone in their thirties or even their forties, maybe not the best idea for some lol but I digress. ;)

Marriages have worked with age gaps larger than theirs, there's nothing wrong with a twelve year gap really, although it is a little weird when one of them is 19. But hey, it can happen. But--they had nothing in common! Not interests, not tastes, not hobbies, not mentally, not personality-wise..... the list goes on. How either of them thought it could work I'll never know. Especially when a certain one of them "knew" about the other woman lurking around and was oh so miserable the entire time.

Alicky 08-10-2005 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reina
Maybe Diana saw stability in an older, more mature man. I don't think being Queen of Great Britain and N. Ireland was her main goal. I think that she was pushed and prodded coupled with her crush on Charles.

Who pushed them together?

ysbel 08-10-2005 10:20 PM

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Who pushed them together?

I don't think it was just one person or group. The Royal Family was pushing it. The Spencers were pushing it. The aristocracy was pushing it. And let's not forget the British press who quite frankly saw Diana as fresh meat and couldn't wait to get their hands on her. Actually I think the press was the biggest force. They made it out to be this fairy tale perfect romance. It sold a lot of papers.

Let me rephrase something. If Charles had been an older dashing charismatic man who was normally attracted to much younger women, then I and my friends would have thought differently then. He generally didn't go for Diana's type and age even before the marriage so why would anybody think he would go for it after the wedding ceremony.

Alicky 08-10-2005 10:33 PM

I was thinking that Reina's comment meant their courtship, their "relationship" in the first place was pushed into starting.

On another note, do you think they kissed before their engagement? They had hardly spent real and fulfilling amounts of time together before they married, especially alone. They never went on a real date, always out shooting, fishing or at stuffy dinners and balls. Not really alone you know? Charles is pretty stuffy and awkward, especially with women lol. And Diana by her own admission said she had never had a real boyfriend before, their courtship just seemed formal and detached. I can't imagine a real kiss taking place during that time! :o

Alicky 08-10-2005 10:34 PM

And when I say real I don't mean a peck on the cheek!

tiaraprin 08-11-2005 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Alicky
I was thinking that Reina's comment meant their courtship, their "relationship" in the first place was pushed into starting.

On another note, do you think they kissed before their engagement? They had hardly spent real and fulfilling amounts of time together before they married, especially alone. They never went on a real date, always out shooting, fishing or at stuffy dinners and balls. Not really alone you know? Charles is pretty stuffy and awkward, especially with women lol. And Diana by her own admission said she had never had a real boyfriend before, their courtship just seemed formal and detached. I can't imagine a real kiss taking place during that time! :o

According to some books I have read, they have told an anecdote about Diana and Charles just before the wedding. There was a terrible thunderstorm and Diana was overawed by the horrible sound and ran down the hallway to Prince Charles' bedroom. She climbed into bed with him and he put a protective arm around her but he did not attempt "to consummate the relationship." Diana lamented that Charles didn't even try, because it was like 2 weeks before the wedding. Charles had a beautiful woman climb into his bed and he did not try anything. Quite strange.

Alicky 08-11-2005 06:30 AM

Must not have been a terribly passionate wedding night then huh? ;)

What books was this story in? I dont think I heard it before. The story doesn't surprise me though, I mean, look at him. Not really a Casanova lol.

LaMinka 08-11-2005 06:56 AM

Thanks for the pics Queen Mother, from Birgittes royal page?

Queen Mother 08-11-2005 09:54 AM

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Thanks for the pics Queen Mother, from Birgittes royal page?

Actually I scan them from my books. :)

Here is the link to my other scans. Hope you enjoy.
https://img225.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=playwills9ff.jpg

LaMinka 08-11-2005 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen Mother
Actually I scan them from my books. :)

Here is the link to my other scans. Hope you enjoy.
https://img225.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=playwills9ff.jpg

Okey! I enjoy.. :D I did like the pics of Charles runninng. And all they others, of course.

Queen Mother 08-11-2005 10:21 AM

Thank you so much. I'm glad you enjoyed them.

tiaraprin 08-11-2005 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alicky
Must not have been a terribly passionate wedding night then huh? ;)

What books was this story in? I dont think I heard it before. The story doesn't surprise me though, I mean, look at him. Not really a Casanova lol.

I will check through my books Alicky. By the way, It has been said on the wedding night that she giggled at him and found it all quite unromantic and a big letdown.

Elspeth 08-11-2005 02:42 PM

Tiaraprin, without going to check, I think it might have been in Andrew Morton's book.

iowabelle 08-11-2005 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alicky
Must not have been a terribly passionate wedding night then huh? ;)

What books was this story in? I dont think I heard it before. The story doesn't surprise me though, I mean, look at him. Not really a Casanova lol.

I skimmed the Simmone Simmons book and it was a real thumbs down from Diana, according to the author.

una 08-11-2005 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tiaraprin
She climbed into bed with him and he put a protective arm around her but he did not attempt "to consummate the relationship." Diana lamented that Charles didn't even try, because it was like 2 weeks before the wedding. Charles had a beautiful woman climb into his bed and he did not try anything. Quite strange.

If Charles had gone to all this trouble to marry a virgin, he might have wanted to see the project through! Also, what if Diana called the wedding off, only to find she was pregnant? What a mess that might have been.

But tell the other half of the story. Diana (feeling slighted?) tries to make Charles jealous, asking him to come and say goodnight, having arranged for the footman to be sitting on her bed when Charles comes in. In the morning, she tells the footman not to worry "It was good for him". Did someone say Diana was naive?

Alicky 08-11-2005 05:06 PM

She said that? It does sound familiar. Interesting.... ;)

Warren 08-12-2005 05:09 AM

Discretion?
 
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I skimmed the Simmone Simmons book and it was a real thumbs down from Diana, according to the author.

If she hadn't learnt it from her family, perhaps as part of her training the Palace should have given Diana lessons in discretion.
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Alicky 08-12-2005 07:33 AM

I'm sure they did lol. Somewhere along the way someone must have mentioned that it was not royal practice to air their dirty laundry for interviews and in the tabloids. So much for that!

Warren 08-12-2005 08:20 AM

Crossing the line
 
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Originally Posted by Alicky
I'm sure they did lol. Somewhere along the way someone must have mentioned that it was not royal practice to air their dirty laundry for interviews and in the tabloids. So much for that!

I can understand that during a bitter relationship breakdown many things are said in anger, but I don't think that commenting on "the wedding night" scores one any points.
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Alicky 08-12-2005 08:50 AM

Who, me or Di?

Warren 08-12-2005 11:37 AM

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Who, me or Di?

Sorry Alicky; my phrasing was ambiguous. I meant that I don't think Diana scored any points by discussing this with third parties. For all the wonderful things she did and achieved, there are times when certain matters are best left private. If not for herself or her ex-husband, then at least for her children.
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iowabelle 08-12-2005 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Reina
Maybe Diana saw stability in an older, more mature man. I don't think being Queen of Great Britain and N. Ireland was her main goal. I think that she was pushed and prodded coupled with her crush on Charles.

You have to remember her father was roughly that much older than her mother.

Of course, that didn't work out either, and age was probably a major factor in that marital breakdown.

iowabelle 08-12-2005 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Alicky
I'm sure they did lol. Somewhere along the way someone must have mentioned that it was not royal practice to air their dirty laundry for interviews and in the tabloids. So much for that!

I think Diana did what a lot of us do, reveal "all" to our girlfriends.

Not a good idea if your girlfriends go on to write books.

iowabelle 08-12-2005 04:01 PM

In response to branchg's reference to Wikipedia, that only repeats gossip. If the "gentleman" involved won't confirm it and no one else has proof, it's purely speculative.

wlb825 08-12-2005 04:27 PM

I don't know some of the pictures they look very much inlove both of them not just Princess Diana,

Alicky 08-12-2005 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren
Sorry Alicky; my phrasing was ambiguous. I meant that I don't think Diana scored any points by discussing this with third parties. For all the wonderful things she did and achieved, there are times when certain matters are best left private. If not for herself or her ex-husband, then at least for her children.
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Lol, I wasn't too sure. :) Anyways, I don't care about the age difference, it can work. But they just had nothing in common, they were such totally different people. If it was a one year age difference, I'm not even sure that it would have worked out between them.

And as far as Di's dirty laundry, she's done that much more than that one tidbit, and much more directly. ;)

Alicky 08-12-2005 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by iowabelle
I think Diana did what a lot of us do, reveal "all" to our girlfriends.

Not a good idea if your girlfriends go on to write books.

Diana has a long history of telling stories to people she knew would let them out, for the sake of getting the stories out and into the press. :rolleyes:

tiaraprin 08-12-2005 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by iowabelle
I think Diana did what a lot of us do, reveal "all" to our girlfriends.

Not a good idea if your girlfriends go on to write books.

I agree with Alicky that Diana was being what many of us "women" are by telling stories to our girlfriends. Let's face it--Men tell every minute detail of relationships they have with women the majority of the time. Hate to tell the men here, but women talk about you too!! We talk about the "good, bad and the ugly just as much!! The only problem in Diana's case is that she was famous and people want to make money off of her. I don't have to worry about my friends selling my life story to a publisher or the tabloids. Diana never truly realized, I believe, that some of the people who have betrayed her would ever do so.

Alicky 08-12-2005 08:18 PM

Diana was so naive that she never could have dreamed that someone would try to make money off of her? She never came to that realization? I don't think anyone is that dumb lol. Besides, she knew very well how the press works, how people work, she knew how to play off them very well.

Alicky 08-12-2005 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tiaraprin
I agree with Alicky that Diana was being what many of us "women" are by telling stories to our girlfriends.

Iowabelle said it. :)

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Originally Posted by tiaraprin
Let's face it--Men tell every minute detail of relationships they have with women the majority of the time.

Men gossip more than women I swear! :p

Incas 08-12-2005 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alicky
Diana was so naive that she never could have dreamed that someone would try to make money off of her? She never came to that realization? I don't think anyone is that dumb lol. Besides, she knew very well how the press works, how people work, she knew how to play off them very well.

I agree with Alicky. There was a story I saw on a Frontline documentary. It had lots of interviews with editors and reports from The Sun, Daily News, etc, the tabloid variety, talking about how Diana had lunch with all of them. I think it was Arthur Edwards who told a story from around the time Morton's book came out in 1992. Amidst the media speculation if the book was true or fabrication, he got a call from a well spoken woman informing him of the exact time Diana would be visiting Carolyn Bartholomew, one of the name source in the book. He went to Bartholomews' flat, and sure enought, at the exact time named in the phone call, Diana showed up. There was another reporter who said Diana personally briefed him about phoning for help after seeing a man being rescued from the lake in Hyde Park. Somehow when the story was reported later, it became Diana saving the drowning man. She later made a big show of visiting him in the hospital and giving the real rescuer a plaque.

tiaraprin 08-12-2005 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alicky
Diana was so naive that she never could have dreamed that someone would try to make money off of her? She never came to that realization? I don't think anyone is that dumb lol. Besides, she knew very well how the press works, how people work, she knew how to play off them very well.

I was referring to Diana's inner circle of friends, not her chats with editors of newspapers. I believe Diana never saw Rosa Monckton, Lucia Flecha de Lima, and a few others making money off of her. Neither woman has betrayed Diana's loyalty. When they speak of her, they do not dish secrets.

Alicky 08-12-2005 08:38 PM

Very true Incas. She often befriended tabloid hacks and told them stories like that, I think it was Patrick Jephson who said that he would often find Diana sitting and talking with them, telling them "heartfelt" stories about herself and her charitable nature. Then he'd see the stories on the pages the next day, as intended.

Alicky 08-12-2005 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tiaraprin
I was referring to Diana's inner circle of friends, not her chats with editors of newspapers. I believe Diana never saw Rosa Monckton, Lucia Flecha de Lima, and a few others making money off of her. Neither woman has betrayed Diana's loyalty. When they speak of her, they do not dish secrets.

But I don't think Lucia and Rosa ever did though right?

tiaraprin 08-12-2005 10:32 PM

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But I don't think Lucia and Rosa ever did though right?

As I said in my post, Rosa and Lucia have not said one word out of line about Diana. Anytime they refer to her, they talk in generalizations or things that are innocuous to public consumption. They know what they can and cannot say. The only time they gave a little bit of detail was when they told the world that Diana was NOT pregnant at the time of the fatal car crash and that she was not going to marry Dodi Al-Fayed.

Rosa Monckton said Diana was having "her monthly cycles" twice a month and in no way could have been pregnant at the time of the crash. She said Diana was going for a check-up right before she died to see the cause of the problem.

Alicky 08-12-2005 10:45 PM

But Rosa and Lucia didn't leak the "wedding night story." You're right, Diana didn't have to worry about her close friends.

tiaraprin 08-12-2005 11:05 PM

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But Rosa and Lucia didn't leak the "wedding night story." You're right, Diana didn't have to worry about her close friends.

Believe me, when it comes to Diana, I have crammed my head so full of facts. I know the good, the bad, and the downright ugly.

I just started a thread for the 8th anniversary of her death on August 31, 2005. I asked that people come there to share their feelings and memories in a positive way and not bring the negative there. I want to celebrate her life and the good she did for Great Britain and the world at large.

emily62_1 08-14-2005 08:31 AM

Has Diana ever really loved Charles, I have always thought she did , otherwise she'd have had taken no notice of his reationship to Cam <edit>- but, are we so sure she was in love with him when she married him, what about in the years til 1992? she looks to me very happy in the pix taken during the honeymoon, while it's clear he was not, just look at the kiss, he clses his eyes and tries to shrug away, she's passionate.

tiaraprin 08-25-2005 02:40 AM

The Tell Tale Moment South Korea 1992. . ..
 
The picture that spoke millions of words about the marriage; South Korea:

Picture: Mike Forster


https://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galle...FR_237x350.jpg

Yennie 08-25-2005 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tiaraprin
The picture that spoke millions of words about the marriage; South Korea:

Picture: Mike Forster

I think its unfair to judge a marriage upon one photo. In this case apparently it was true, but say for example the photos of the king and queen of sweden in khao lak in april, mourning the victims of the tsunami.
They both had tears in their eyes and looked alot like Charles and Diana does on the photo. If they would get a divorce later on, perhaps those photos would be use to illustrate the unhappiness.

My point is that that photo of Charles and Diana was probably made at some sort of memorial service (?) in Korea and therefor there was no "happy faces". It wouldn´t have been appropiate for them to smile and laught.
A brillant example of how media can use pictures to "prove things"

btw, thanks for posting the photo, its really one of the most memorable moments in the Charles and Diana saga

tiaraprin 08-25-2005 10:34 PM

Unfortunately in this case, we saw the writing on the wall with years of rumors and the serialization of Andrew Morton's book. It really wasn't a far leap in 1992 to have said this.

Australis 08-25-2005 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tiaraprin
The picture that spoke millions of words about the marriage; South Korea:

Picture: Mike Forster



If my husband had a mistress and he is refusing to give her up I too will be like that, tired of sharing my husband.

zeap 08-26-2005 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tiaraprin
Unfortunately in this case, we saw the writing on the wall with years of rumors and the serialization of Andrew Morton's book. It really wasn't a far leap in 1992 to have said this.

You are basing your views on a book that was written by a man who used his position to write a book of lies basically. Diana was not in her right mind the time that this book was written, half of what she and her so-called friends said was simply untrue.

As for Korea, none of us were there so we don't know what happened, and do we even care anymore? That was 15 years ago. Diana's dead, Charles is with the woman he truly loves... Isn't it time we put Charles and Diana behind us and focous on the future, which is Charles and Camilla?

tiaraprin 08-26-2005 05:14 AM

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Isn't it time we put Charles and Diana behind us and focous on the future, which is Charles and Camilla?

There are those of us who feel that Charles and Camilla should never have been. Their love affair hurt many amongst their respective families and spouses. Now, after all these years to get away with what they have done is unacceptable in my eyes, and for myself, the future is William not Charles. Charles and Camilla are an annoyance to the royal line IMHO.

Lisele 08-26-2005 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ysbel
I'm a year younger than Diana and I remember being shocked at everybody saying how perfect this marriage choice was...

What Diana saw was a safe haven. She knew (at the time) that by marrying the future King of England, she would be guaranteed that there would be no divorce. That was her safety zone. She thought (maybe not conciously) that this marriage would last, had to last because at that level - future King of England - he couldn't be a divorced man. At the time :)

Maybe she fell in love with him later as she got to know him but I would say at the outset that she was in love with the idea of being married to someone who couldn't entertain divorce as an option. Maybe (and every new bride feels this) she though that he would come around to her way to thinking and they would live happily ever after. Of course, it didn't happen that way.

One good piece of advice that was given to me by a very wise friend of mine - don't train your husbands to be something you want them to be... if their mother's couldn't do it, you don't stand a chance. ;)

Lisele 08-26-2005 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Australis
If my husband had a mistress and he is refusing to give her up I too will be like that, tired of sharing my husband.

If my husband had a mistress and refused to give her up, he wouldn't be my husband for too long after that.

Actually, if my husband had a mistress, he'd be shown the front door and be served with papers not too long after. Period. End of story :)

Warren 08-26-2005 05:56 AM

A dynastic view
 
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Originally Posted by tiaraprin
There are those of us who feel that Charles and Camilla should never have been...for myself, the future is William not Charles. Charles and Camilla are an annoyance to the royal line IMHO.

Whereas to a Royalist and die-hard Monarchist like myself the important thing is not the "he said/she said, he did/she did" circular debate, but the unbroken and orderly Line of Succession to the Throne. William is certainly one part of the future, but unless anything untoward happens, his time will come after his father has reigned as King in accordance with his birthright. Or does this just make me sound 'old-fashioned'?
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tiaraprin 08-26-2005 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren
Whereas to a Royalist and die-hard Monarchist like myself the important thing is not the "he said/she said, he did/she did" circular debate, but the unbroken and orderly Line of Succession to the Throne. William is certainly one part of the future, but unless anything untoward happens, his time will come after his father has reigned as King in accordance with his birthright. Or does this just make me sound 'old-fashioned'?
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I understand your opinion Warren and I do respect it. Sometimes, I just wish things weren't the way they are.

zeap 08-26-2005 06:12 AM

Not old-fashioned at all Warren, just pratical!

HRHAmy 12-22-2005 02:57 PM

They did love each other like what I've believed all along.

https://www.theroyalist.net/content/view/212/1/

Iluvbertie 12-26-2005 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisele
If my husband had a mistress and refused to give her up, he wouldn't be my husband for too long after that.

Actually, if my husband had a mistress, he'd be shown the front door and be served with papers not too long after. Period. End of story :)


When I was a little girl I would have agreed with you but if my mother had done that she would now be a lonely woman. Instead she is with the man she has loved since she first met him - aged 15 - why? Because she is a deeply devoted Christian and forgave him his mistresses.


They are extremely happy now as he adores her just as much as she adores him.

auntie 12-26-2005 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chrissy57
When I was a little girl I would have agreed with you but if my mother had done that she would now be a lonely woman. Instead she is with the man she has loved since she first met him - aged 15 - why? Because she is a deeply devoted Christian and forgave him his mistresses.


They are extremely happy now as he adores her just as much as she adores him.

I can't speak for your parents, but I think it's against human nature, to be forgiving of a husbands constant infidelity, more likely a fear of being alone, or financial or emotional dependence. Yes many people do go wandering around in their youth and when they are old and dependent on another they know who to come back to. (not to the mistresses of course).
On the other hand if we have to be open minded we can think about King Albert II and Queen Paola, jwho in later years reconciled, ah well.

maryshawn 12-26-2005 08:03 PM

In her book, Diana's friend, Lady Anabel Goldsmith, said Diana never asked her for advice but, if she had, she would've given her the advice her attorney gave her: Would you rather be an unmarried woman with children or a married woman? Lady Anabel chose the latter, even though her husband effectively had three different families throughout their marriage. It's hard to say; divorce seems like a comparatively easy solution but it takes a greater toll than you can imagine, in so many ways--raising children being just one of them.

I think--as stated earlier--Diana was so terrified of divorce she married the "one man from whom divorce would be unthinkable." And I do think there was love there. They have two great sons.....and I still give Prince Charles high marks for fighting to go to Paris, collect her body and make sure she was given all the proper respects throughout her funeral. This was no easy struggle; he had to battle his mother, his father, various family members and a whole bunch of courtiers. So, in addition to his shock over her death and having to help his sons, Charles had to engage in fighting to make sure his ex-wife was appropriately honored in death. It would've been far easier to shrug and say "whatever." My personal regard for him went way up in my eyes for doing what he did.

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Originally Posted by chrissy57
When I was a little girl I would have agreed with you but if my mother had done that she would now be a lonely woman. Instead she is with the man she has loved since she first met him - aged 15 - why? Because she is a deeply devoted Christian and forgave him his mistresses.


They are extremely happy now as he adores her just as much as she adores him.


maryshawn 01-01-2006 07:17 PM

That was one of Simone Simmons' latest revelations in her new book...the one where she says Diana was with JFK Jr,...... I am inclined not to believe a word of it as, when questioned on the BBC about the accuracy of some of her statements, Ms. Simmons broke down and said she "never meant to hurt anyone" and wasn't "totally sure" of some of what she'd written. I think one book by Ms. Simmons was one book too many but two? I read it in an hour and it was gossipy and rehashes of things she'd written in Book 1. So, I attribute this particular "grading" thing to Ms. Simmon's (and her editors) desire to sell books. She's so distasteful to me now, I find writing her name grating!

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Originally Posted by Warren
I can understand that during a bitter relationship breakdown many things are said in anger, but I don't think that commenting on "the wedding night" scores one any points.
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Queen Mary I 01-01-2006 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Squidgy
It's hard to believe that it was 24 years ago today that the "fairytale" wedding of Charles and Diana took place. Of course, as we all know, there was anything but a fairytale ending. But, in spite of all the fighting, the tears, the ugly rumours, the affairs etc., there were some good times, as I hope these pictures show ...

Photo Source for these 3 posts: Rex features/Alpha/Photographers International/Syndication International/Tim Graham/Jayne Fincher

I've just been browsing through these older threads. Erm I've never seen that photograph of Charles and Diana on the beach chair.
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...5&d=1122687066
Rather playful and er intimate moment *blush*:o . Btw Prince Charles doesn't have a half bad physique. ;) edited to add-this could be the Cuban Egg Nog talking! :D

love_cc 01-01-2006 10:32 PM

I think both Charles and Diana misjudged each other's charater during the courtship. They realised things after the engagment and they had big worries about the marriage but neither was brave to call it off. They had good intentions about their marriage and made efforts to make the marriage work. But they failed everything. Both Charles and Diana were too weak to stick with the marriage and took lovers to satisfy their needs for love. So Charles had Camilla and Diana had James Hewitt and others.
It was better for them to remained civiled in the marriage until the sons grew up but Morton's reveal destoyed most of the hopes and the 1996 interview was the last straw.
It was a pity that the true influencial persons, Queen Mother, Queen, Camilla, Diana's father and Diana's grandmother, neither had the hindsight about this doomed marriage. Either of them was against the marriage and Charles may not propose Diana and there would be no engagement and no pain at all.

pollyemma 01-01-2006 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by love_cc
I think both Charles and Diana misjudged each other's charater during the courtship. .

that's the understatement of the year!

grace100 01-14-2006 12:55 PM

https://img446.imageshack.us/img446/1634/264re.th.jpg

happy times

from corbis


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