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Lalla Meriem 04-02-2009 04:13 AM

Luxembourg Grand Ducal Orders and Symbols
 
Since I'm up late here in the US so I can be awake during the day in Luxembourg while awaiting the possible major announcement I thought I'd post a question I've been wondering about for awhile.

I notice that Henri, Guillaume, and Felix often wear a tiny orange pin in their lapel. I haven't saw this on Louis or Sebastian, however, I don't collect pics of them.

For example Henri is wearing the pin in the current board picture on the Benelux MB The Benelux Royals Message Board check out the pin in his lapel. Also if you search tomwag.com for pictures of Nationalfeiertag 2004 you can see Felix wearing this pin. Henri, Guillaume, and Felix are wearing this tiny orange pin very frequently during official functions.

I've also saw this pin on several members of Guillaume's security detail frequently. I don't recognize Felix's security if he even has any, but I'm used to seeing Guillaume's regular security in the background with their ear pieces and dark suits.

Does anyone have an idea what this pin is?

Mrs Littrell 04-02-2009 05:05 AM

Well, first thing comes to my mind "Lapel pin is some kind of family relic father transfers to the son when he reaches certain age" :)

I know it sounds strange but maybe it's something connected with security? Like in those spy-movies, microchip (so they can see where he is and find him in case of abduction) or a lirrle microphone (so security can hear everything that someone said to family members)?

Lalla Meriem 04-02-2009 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs Littrell (Post 916979)
I know it sounds strange but maybe it's something connected with security? Like in those spy-movies, microchip (so they can see where he is and find him in case of abduction) or a lirrle microphone (so security can hear everything that someone said to family members)?

I had this thought, as well. I do notice that they wear them at high profile events where a lot of people will be interacting with them. I wish I could get a closer picture of one of them. I can't seem to ever get one so I can make out the shape of the little design that is on it.

Tilia C. 04-02-2009 06:21 AM

I can very well imagine that certain technical devices are used for security, like to track the royals by GPS or something. But would they be so exposed and obvious like bright coloured lapel pins?? So I guess these pins are rather some kind of decoration or destinction.

Mrs Littrell 04-02-2009 06:26 AM

Do you have any pictures of Guillaume's security? They must be really good-i've not notice them :biggrin:

Lalla Meriem 04-02-2009 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tilia C. (Post 916998)
I can very well imagine that certain technical devices are used for security, like to track the royals by GPS or something. But would they be so exposed and obvious like bright coloured lapel pins?? So I guess these pins are rather some kind of decoration or destinction.

Guillaume has a rather large security detail more so than I would expect just for him. I'm so used to seeing them in the back ground of his pictures that I don't even notice them anymore, although, one of them is rather attractive himself. I assume they do use technical stuff for gps or other, but I dunno.

I think I've also saw Felix in a pin like this of a different color...blue I think. I wish we had more Luxembourger members I'm sure someone knows what they are. People who attend events with them seem to wear a lot of different tags and pins.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Littrell (Post 916999)
Do you have any pictures of Guillaume's security? They must be really good-i've not notice them :biggrin:

If you just look at pictures of him at events you can see them. Dark suits discreet distance always with ear pieces and always one formally dressed officer. Some of the security is for the government Minsters he usually attends functions with, I'm sure. Our Guillaume is safe no need to worry.

Mrs Littrell 04-02-2009 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalla Meriem (Post 917003)
Our Guillaume is safe no need to worry.

:in_love:I will sleep better knowing he is safe

Lalla Meriem 04-05-2009 05:01 PM

I have now managed to find pictures of Prince Louis wearing my mysterious lapel pin. I also saw that The King of Sweden was wearing this pin at the 25th anniversary of Henri and Maria-Teresa theater gala.

Lalla Meriem 05-29-2009 08:07 PM

I just discovered that these tiny lapel pins are actually the miniature of various Luxembourg orders. The one normally worn by Felix, Louis and Henri is the Golden Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau.

rociocristina 05-30-2009 01:25 AM

Woow lalla meriem thank you very much for the information. is very interesting!!!!!

sgl 05-31-2009 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalla Meriem (Post 945162)
I just discovered that these tiny lapel pins are actually the miniature of various Luxembourg orders. The one normally worn by Felix, Louis and Henri is the Golden Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau.

This is very interesting. I can't think of any other royals that I have seen wearing miniatures of royal orders. Have Alexandra or Tessy received any orders?

Hereditary Thane 10-13-2009 04:57 PM

This is an interesting topic. The wearing of chivalric and royal orders is slightly out of favour these days, exceptions being state occasions and full gala dress. However, the wearing of miniatures, such as pins, badges or ribbons in lapels and button holes is quite proper (sometimes there are court rules to say which dates on on which type of occasions they should be worn) and happily can make an ordinary duty something special. At a royal event the ordinary people who have been admitted to that particular order or decoration can wear the same pin or ribbon as their sovereign price, making for connection and solidarity among the people. As an unimportant aside it is known that royal partisan ribbons or badges are sometimes worn by adherents, such as the white satin cockade worn inside the jacket by Jacobites even today. The Benilux nations have a rich history of chivalric and princely orders.

Lalla Meriem 10-14-2009 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sgl (Post 945770)
This is very interesting. I can't think of any other royals that I have seen wearing miniatures of royal orders. Have Alexandra or Tessy received any orders?

Alexandra has received the Order of the Golden Lion of the House of Nassau on National Day this year. This is new and in line with The Grand Duke's view on equality. All men who are brother or son of a Grand Duke/Duchess are born members of the order, but only receive their insignia upon their majority. Sebastien is already a member of the order like his brothers but will not receive his insignia until next year.

It is unlikely that Tessy will ever receive the Golden Lion of the House of Nassau. It's never been awarded to the wives of "mere" Princes. The wife of Guillaume will certainly have the order, eventually. I'm certain Tessy will eventually receive an order just not the Golden Lion. I've saw Archduke Carl-Christian and Prince Nikolaus of Liechtenstein each have the Order of Adolphe of Nassau and can be pictured wearing them here. I do believe I have saw Princess Sibilla in the burgundy sash of the Order of Merit of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.

Lalla Meriem 10-14-2009 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hereditary Thane (Post 1004373)
This is an interesting topic. The wearing of chivalric and royal orders is slightly out of favour these days, exceptions being state occasions and full gala dress. However, the wearing of miniatures, such as pins, badges or ribbons in lapels and button holes is quite proper (sometimes there are court rules to say which dates on on which type of occasions they should be worn) and happily can make an ordinary duty something special. At a royal event the ordinary people who have been admitted to that particular order or decoration can wear the same pin or ribbon as their sovereign price, making for connection and solidarity among the people. As an unimportant aside it is known that royal partisan ribbons or badges are sometimes worn by adherents, such as the white satin cockade worn inside the jacket by Jacobites even today. The Benilux nations have a rich history of chivalric and princely orders.

Speaking of miniatures, Henri and Guillaume (and certain members of their staff) were wearing their miniature orders today for the state visit.

Hereditary Thane 10-15-2009 09:06 PM

I don not believe that anyone other than the sovereign of the order should be admitted to it purely on birth. For orders to be honourable and illustrious they have to be awarded for merit or valour.

The other thing I find unfathomanable is why accept an order or decoration when the recipient is not prepared to wear it. Surely this is an insult to the order and it's soverign.

Lalla Meriem 10-15-2009 10:35 PM

It is a historic order. Since it's inception brothers and sons of the sovereign of Luxembourg and the Netherlands have been admitted from birth but only receive insignia at majority. People forget that this is a family order.

It is part of the bylaws of the order and no one has ever complained about it. It is assumed that these princes of the blood will undertake activities on behalf of the nation and the sovereign and they always have and I have no doubts that this will always be the case. I assume it is not awarded to other princes of the houses of Nassau because these princes rarely are expected to undertake activities on behalf of the nation or the sovereign. It is very rare that the order is awarded in the Netherlands or in Luxembourg.

It is a hereditary order within the House of Nassau. Where the Grand Master is born into the order it doesn't shock or offend me that other members of the house that are expected to represent the House (or nation) should also be born into it. Although, the children of Henri were not born into the order because he was not The Grand Duke at the time of any of their births.

I don't think it's an insult to the co Grand Masters of the Order that a young Prince is born into the order. It is after all an order of the House of Nassau not simply the Grand Duchy. In fact, in the Netherlands the order is not a national order at all it is a House Order awarded by the Queen at her discretion. These specific persons generally represent the House (if not always the nation) at numerous functions during their lifetime.

I'm glad that the Grand Duke's vision on gender equality has lead him to bestow the order on Alexandra who is a born princess of the house of Nassau. I do, however, wish that he would bestow the orders upon his sisters, as well.

Sebastien hasn't accepted the order and cannot until next March. He cannot alter that he was became a Knight of the order when his father became Grand Duke. It has been so since 1858 and he could not change it if wanted to. They are born into the lowest rank of the order not the highest which is certainly reserved for meritorious individuals.

It is the nature of orders. Should Marie or Mary of Denmark have received the Order of the Elephant just for marriage to a prince? It is the highest order of the nation I don't see it as any different. I think the process is based on representation of the house/nation not merely heroic acts. Should a footballer be created a Knight of the Realm in the UK? I much prefer seeing Felix in the order of his house than seeing scandalous footballers.

Although, if The Grand Duke wants to give Andy Schleck The Order of Adolphe of Nassau when he wins the Tour de France I won't complain.

Dani90 10-15-2009 11:40 PM

I agree with you Lalla Meriem. The children are born into a life where they have a duty to Luxembourg so why shouldn't they be given the order at birth?

However I think Princess Alexandra also should have been knight of the order at birth just as Princes of the House of Nassu is. But credit to GD Henri for giving it to her. Good to see a head of an old house as Nassau taking a stand for gender equality (and who knows the law that prohibit Princesses to become Grand Duchess might be changed now when they've seen the Grand Duke taking "the first step")

If sportsmen should be given the order I see no harm in. They do a service to the Grand Duchy as they represent Luxembourg in international sporting events. However in that case I think it needs to be outstanding achievements over several years.


Lalla Meriem 10-16-2009 02:00 AM

Only the princes of the house who are sons or brothers of the Grand Duke/Duchess or the King/Queen of the Netherlands are born members. I always found it interesting that even in 1858 it was assumed that it would only be these most senior princes who would be dedicating their lives (or part of their lives) to service of their nation or house. I do agree that if they become a prince of the house at birth and then are expected to dedicated a significant portion of their life to service or representation of the house they why now. They are after all born princes why not born members of the order of their house.

I think that The Grand Duke probably agrees with you that Alexandra should be a born member of the order and by granting the order to her was correcting this slight. I still wish that Marie-Astrid and Margaretha would be so honored. The regulations of the order do not currently admit women at birth. Perhaps, this is something that Henri and Beatrix will/have alerted given both of their stances on female equality. Although, none of Henri's children were actually born members of the order because he was only Hereditary Grand Duke at the time of their births.

The law doesn't prohibit a princess from becoming a Grand Duchess. There have been 2 sovereign Grand Duchesses already. The law merely grants succession to all available me first. However, the new constitution (at Henri's request) will alter the succession to include females by order of birth. This will likely take effect with Henri's children and place Alexandra ahead of Sebastien and make Guillaume's first child Grand Duke/Duchess irregardless. I would certainly like to see the lines of Marie-Astrid and Margaretha included after the line of Henri.

I see no harm in a sportsman receiving an order but I think some consideration should be taken into their personal lives not merely their sport skill. I don't like the idea of a footballer who has a reputation for abusing women or using drugs, just for example, holding any order of merit.

Hereditary Thane 10-17-2009 08:56 PM

Once gain I am indebted to Lalla Meriem for elucidating the finer points of the subject. I am afraid in my enthusiasm I sometimes forget the different attitudes between continental and British practices in these matters. I was aware that continental orders are very often hereditary. This is of course fully acceptable in the case of members of a sovereign house, and I assume such is the honour that all members of that order contribute fully in its ideals. A very noble sentiment.

I understand some orders in former monarchies are being revived under church patronage and protection. Such pins, badges, ribbons are an outward cognizance of a singular honour, and it is good that such ancient and honourable orders are supported by reigning houses.

Somebody 06-24-2018 11:08 AM

At yesterday's pictures it again stood out that spouses of princes of Luxembourg are not treated equally to the born princes in terms of orders: Gold Lion of the Housemof Nassau for Henri, his children snd wife but only order of Adolphe of Nassau for his daughters-in-law. When can Stephanie expect yo be upgraded? When she becomes grand duchess? She has been more active in representing the house in 6 years than most of her siblings-in-law their whole life.

I can see why Tessy who was only elevated to princess of Nassau and not yo princess of Luxembourg woukd not receive the highest order but shouldn't it either be tight to the prince(ss) of Luxembourg title or to representation expectations?

LadyFinn 06-24-2018 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2126606)
At yesterday's pictures it again stood out that spouses of princes of Luxembourg are not treated equally to the born princes in terms of orders: Gold Lion of the Housemof Nassau for Henri, his children snd wife but only order of Adolphe of Nassau for his daughters-in-law. When can Stephanie expect yo be upgraded? When she becomes grand duchess? She has been more active in representing the house in 6 years than most of her siblings-in-law their whole life.

I can see why Tessy who was only elevated to princess of Nassau and not yo princess of Luxembourg woukd not receive the highest order but shouldn't it either be tight to the prince(ss) of Luxembourg title or to representation expectations?

The wives of the princes of Luxembourg can't receive the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau, if king Willem-Alexander and grand duke Henri don't change the rules of conferring the Order

From website of the Dutch Royal House
The King and the Grand Duke of Luxembourg are joint Grand Masters of the Order of the Golden Lion of Nassau. They may confer decorations in this Order separately or together. The Order symbolises the unity and solidarity between the two branches of the House of Nassau. There is only one class: Knight. Princes and Princesses born into the two branches, and the sons, daughters, brothers and sisters of the heads of both branches are Knights of the Order of the Golden Lion of Nassau from birth. The Order may be conferred on sovereigns and members of other royal houses, and also on individuals with the title of ‘Excellency’ if they have earned a distinguished international reputation.
Orders in the monarch’s gift _ Decorations and honours _ Royal House of the Netherlands

From Wikipedia
Awarded for Luxembourg: sovereigns, princes of sovereign houses and heads of state for meritorious service to the Grand Duke and country
Princes who are sons or brothers of the heads of the two lines of the House of Nassau are born knights of the order. In 1984, Queen Beatrix and Grand Duke Jean made an agreement that princesses (daughters of the heads of the two lines of the House of Nassau) may be admitted when they reach the age of majority (18).
Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau - Wikipedia

Prisma 06-24-2018 12:04 PM

I think it's always been that way. Josephine-Charlotte and Maria Teresa received the Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau when their husbands succeeded.

Even daughters aren't treated equally. They only get the Order at 18 whereas sons are born members.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, simply the current policy. Since the order is shared with the Dutch, any changes need agreement from both royal houses.

Duc_et_Pair 06-24-2018 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2126606)
At yesterday's pictures it again stood out that spouses of princes of Luxembourg are not treated equally to the born princes in terms of orders: Gold Lion of the Housemof Nassau for Henri, his children snd wife but only order of Adolphe of Nassau for his daughters-in-law. When can Stephanie expect yo be upgraded? When she becomes grand duchess? She has been more active in representing the house in 6 years than most of her siblings-in-law their whole life.

I can see why Tessy who was only elevated to princess of Nassau and not yo princess of Luxembourg woukd not receive the highest order but shouldn't it either be tight to the prince(ss) of Luxembourg title or to representation expectations?

According the Statutes of the Order in the Golden Lion of the House Nassau, children of the Head of the House of Nassau (Luxembourg) or children of the Head of the House Orange-Nassau (Netherlands) have the Order by birthright (but only wear it from the age of 18).

Also in other monarchies we see differences with spouses. Diana had and Catherine has no any British Order at all (I consider the RFO more as a private token of appreciation than as an Order.).

That Princess Alexandra has this Order has nothing to do with hard work or an exemplaric royal life. She already had it when she took her first breath. Likewise we may say that a Countess Stéphanie de Lannoy turned into a Princess Stéphanie just got the Order of Adolphe de Nassau for being the wife of.

I think we may expect the Golden Lion after the birth of a future Heir. Or when Prince Guillaume becomes the Grand-Duke.

Blog Real 01-19-2020 07:42 AM

Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau
The Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau is a chivalric order shared by the two branches of the House of Nassau (the Ottonian and Walramian lines).

In the context of the elder Walramian line, this order is the highest Luxembourgian national order and is bestowed by the Grand Duke of Luxembourg. It may be awarded to sovereigns, princes of sovereign houses and heads of state for meritorious service to Luxembourg and the Grand Duke.

In the context of the younger Ottonian line, this order is a house order (dynastic order) of the Dutch Royal House of Orange-Nassau and is awarded as a personal gift by the King of the Netherlands. In this case, the honour is conferred on a person who has rendered special service to the Royal House.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_...ouse_of_Nassau
Luxarazzi 101: Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau

The Order of Civil and Military Merit of Adolph of Nassau
The Order of Civil and Military Merit of Adolph of Nassau is an order of merit of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg for meritorious service to the Grand Duke, the Grand-Ducal House and Luxembourg. It was founded in 1858 as a chivalric order of the Duchy of Nassau by Adolphe of Nassau in honor of his namesake and ancestor, Adolf, Count of Nassau, the only member of the House of Nassau to have been Roman King of Germany. After the Duchy of Nassau was annexed by Prussia in 1866 and Adolphe became Grand Duke of Luxembourg in 1890, he revived the order as an order of merit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_...lphe_of_Nassau
Luxarazzi 101: The Order of Civil and Military Merit of Adolph of Nassau

Order of the Oak Crown
The Order of the Oak Crown is an order of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Oak_Crown
Luxarazzi 101: Order of the Oak Crown

The Order of Merit of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
The Order of Merit of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg is an order of merit of Luxembourg, instituted on 23 January 23 1961 by Grand Duchess Charlotte. Grand Master of the order is the Grand Duke of Luxembourg. Besides the five classes, a gilt medal can also be bestowed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_..._of_Luxembourg
Luxarazzi 101: The Order of Merit of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg


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