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theroyalfly 11-12-2019 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by camelot23ca (Post 2267252)
To me that begs the question of how long Sofia will be given such a prominent place at these events that are meant to be about Leonor. I was surprised that, except for the speech itself, there was so little differentiation between the two girls. At this age I kind of understand the decision to bring her, but she needs to start noticeably taking second place to Leonor when they’re in public. When they go to these events they’re not Leonor and Sofia, they’re The Princess of Asturias and her sister.

That being said, I think Sofia will eventually have no trouble finding her own path in life. I thought Leonor did a good job with the speech but in the videos I watched of the unrehearsed parts of the events Sofia won the day. She carries herself very well and seems to have a natural, relaxed poise that’s impressive in someone so young.

I don't think there's a need to compare Leonor and Sofia in terms of who's more lively and more natural. Obviously, both have their own good points.

In response to 'there was so little differentiation between the two girls', I'm sorry but I beg to differ because in all the latest occasions that both girls were present, the distinction of their roles and responsibilities is evident. Leonor always stands beside his father and Sofia with his mother and Leonor gets to have more exposure than her.

If you are asking for Sofia to drift away from the spotlight and let Leonor shine, it might take some time. After all, they are still young, Leonor is not yet 18 and his father's reign is still 5 years old.

I believe Sofia will make an impact on her own in time.

To point, there's even no clear distinction per se in other royal families like the Dutch RF. The Princess of Orange who's much older than the Princess of Asturias doesn't share the same spotlight as her as of the moment.

I bet everything is still yet to unfold in the coming years. Let's just wait for everything to come in its right place.

camelot23ca 11-13-2019 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by theroyalfly (Post 2267371)
I don't think there's a need to compare Leonor and Sofia in terms of who's more lively and more natural. Obviously, both have their own good points.

In response to 'there was so little differentiation between the two girls', I'm sorry but I beg to differ because in all the latest occasions that both girls were present, the distinction of their roles and responsibilities is evident. Leonor always stands beside his father and Sofia with his mother and Leonor gets to have more exposure than her.

If you are asking for Sofia to drift away from the spotlight and let Leonor shine, it might take some time. After all, they are still young, Leonor is not yet 18 and his father's reign is still 5 years old.

I believe Sofia will make an impact on her own in time.

To point, there's even no clear distinction per se in other royal families like the Dutch RF. The Princess of Orange who's much older than the Princess of Asturias doesn't share the same spotlight as her as of the moment.

I bet everything is still yet to unfold in the coming years. Let's just wait for everything to come in its right place.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with pointing out an area where Sofia seems to really shine. Yes, each girl surely has their own strengths, and I think Sofia’s natural and self possessed demeanour in public is one of hers.

I don’t think Sofia should drift away from the public at all at least at this stage but I do feel there needs to be a more obvious focus on Leonor , not so much to let her shine but to emphasize what her unique role will be. Especially at high profile events specifically designed to focus on her such as the Princess of Asturias/Girona awards. I couldn’t agree more that Sofia has the ability to make an impact in her own time, but by definition it will need to be an impact very different than that of her sister.

Tatiana Maria 11-13-2019 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by theroyalfly (Post 2267371)
If you are asking for Sofia to drift away from the spotlight and let Leonor shine, it might take some time. After all, they are still young, Leonor is not yet 18 and his father's reign is still 5 years old.

I believe Sofia will make an impact on her own in time.

To point, there's even no clear distinction per se in other royal families like the Dutch RF. The Princess of Orange who's much older than the Princess of Asturias doesn't share the same spotlight as her as of the moment.

In the Dutch royal family, siblings of monarchs are not sidelined to the same degree as in the Spanish. Prince Constantijn remains not only a member of the Royal Family but also Royal House, and continues to carry out a small number of official functions.

It is not Infanta Sofía who will determine the extent to which she is in the spotlight, but the King and, in the future, Queen Leonor. She is in the same position as Infantas Elena and Cristina, and the King has made clear that their roles are severely limited.

lula 02-01-2020 12:59 PM

Meeting of the Delegated Commission of the Princess of Girona Foundation

https://www.casareal.es/ES/Actividad...spx?data=14281

iceflower 02-12-2020 05:42 AM

Queen Letizia announced the winner of the Princess of Girona 2020 Foundation Award in the category of Scientific Research today, February 12:



** josepgegundez.photoshelter gallery ** hola article **


** dm article: Pretty in pink! Queen Letizia of Spain cuts an elegant figure..**


** gettyimages gallery: Queen Letizia Of Spain Attends The Scientific Research Winner Announcement On 'Princesa de Girona 2020'..**


** casareal: Acto de proclamación del ganador del “Premio Fundación Princesa de Girona 2020” en la categoría de “Investigación Científica” **

An Ard Ri 02-12-2020 12:46 PM

Here are a few more photos from the Princess of Girona 2020 Foundation Award at the Nexus Building-Polytechnic University of Valencia in Spain.

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?...2-2020%20Queen

lula 02-13-2020 12:41 AM

Event in Valencia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inOhepaq9Ko

iceflower 02-28-2020 05:40 AM

Queen Letizia announced the winner of the Princess of Girona 2020 Foundation Award in the category "Social" today, February 28:



** josepgegundez.photoshelter gallery ** hola article ** ppe gallery **


** casareal: Acto de proclamación del ganador del “Premio Fundación Princesa de Girona 2020”.. **


** gettyimages: ESP: Queen Letizia of Spain Attends 'Fundacion Princesa De Girona' Awards In A Coruna **


** dm article: Emerald Queen! Letizia of Spain looks stylish in a green trouser suit as she arrives..**

lula 06-26-2020 08:57 AM

King Felipe, Queen Letizia, Princess Leonor and Infanta Sofía talk in a videoconference with the winners of the 2020 Princess of Girona Awards.

https://twitter.com/CasaReal/status/1276495532672901120
https://twitter.com/CasaReal/status/1276496075319324672

iceflower 06-26-2020 09:49 AM

:previous:

Here's a short video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDqTtYK-ER0

Blog Real 06-26-2020 10:24 AM

:previous:
Here's another video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADEV...re=emb_rel_end

An Ard Ri 06-26-2020 10:45 AM

Here are a few more photos from the 2020 Princess of Girona Awards,wonderful to see Leonor and Sofia.

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?...-2020%20Madrid

carlota 06-27-2020 11:58 AM

some great catalan being spoken by leonor! she clearly has good tutors. we haven't heard her speaking in vasque or galician, but surely she is learning those too?

Mbruno 06-27-2020 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by theroyalfly (Post 2267371)
I don't think there's a need to compare Leonor and Sofia in terms of who's more lively and more natural. Obviously, both have their own good points.

In response to 'there was so little differentiation between the two girls', I'm sorry but I beg to differ because in all the latest occasions that both girls were present, the distinction of their roles and responsibilities is evident. Leonor always stands beside his father and Sofia with his mother and Leonor gets to have more exposure than her.

If you are asking for Sofia to drift away from the spotlight and let Leonor shine, it might take some time. After all, they are still young, Leonor is not yet 18 and his father's reign is still 5 years old.

I believe Sofia will make an impact on her own in time.

To point, there's even no clear distinction per se in other royal families like the Dutch RF. The Princess of Orange who's much older than the Princess of Asturias doesn't share the same spotlight as her as of the moment.

I bet everything is still yet to unfold in the coming years. Let's just wait for everything to come in its right place.

As a matter of fact, the official order of precedence in Spain , which must be observed in all public events , puts Leonor above infanta Sofía and below only her parents, the King and the Queen.So it is not surprising at all that Leonor and Sofía are seated or placed differently at any such event.

Mbruno 06-27-2020 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria (Post 2267457)
In the Dutch royal family, siblings of monarchs are not sidelined to the same degree as in the Spanish. Prince Constantijn remains not only a member of the Royal Family but also Royal House, and continues to carry out a small number of official functions.

It is not Infanta Sofía who will determine the extent to which she is in the spotlight, but the King and, in the future, Queen Leonor. She is in the same position as Infantas Elena and Cristina, and the King has made clear that their roles are severely limited.


There are three different issues in play here:
  • Membership of the Royal Family.
  • Order of precedence.
  • Royal titles and styles.
Membership of the Royal Family is regulated by the royal decree 2917/1981 and is restricted to the King, the King's spouse, the King's parents, the King's direct descendants , and the Heir to the Crown (whether he or she descends from the King or not). Note that "the King" here has been interpreted as meaning the current King only. That is why Infanta Elena and Infanta Cristina ceased to be members of the Royal Family when their brother ascended the throne.


Order of precedence, on the other hand, is regulated by the royal decrees 2099/1983 and 470/2014 and is currently as follows:

  1. HM The King
  2. HM The Queen
  3. HRH The Princess of Asturias
  4. HRH Infanta Sofía
  5. HM King Juan Carlos
  6. HM Queen Sofía
  7. Other infantes/infantas who do not descend from King Felipe VI
Although the royal decrees do not explicitly mention any relative precedence between the infantes/infantas in (7), it is customary to place HRH Infanta Elena, Duchess of Lugo ahead of her sister, HRH Infanta Cristina, and of their aunt, HRH Infanta Margarita, Duchess of Hernani and Soria.


Finally, royal tiyles and styles are regulated by the royal decree 1368/1987, which, at least to me, is somewhat ambiguous in its language. It says that:


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Los hijos del Rey que no tengan la condición de Príncipe o Princesa de Asturias y los hijos de este Príncipe o Princesa serán Infantes de España y recibirán el tratamiento de Alteza Real
There is no doubt that Sofia was an Infanta when she was born and remained so prior to her father's accession as she was back then a daughter of the Prince of Asturias. There is no doubt either that she is an Infanta now as she is a daughter of the King who does not hold the condition (or dignity) of Princess of Asturias. The ambiguity lies with the titles of Felipe VI's sisters as a literal reading of the article above might suggest that the title of Infante expires once the title holder ceases to be one of 'the King's children" (interpreting again "The King" as "the current King").


That does not seem to be the case though as Elena and Cristina continue to be referred to as HRHs and Infantas, including, most notably in Cristina's case, in the royal decree 470/2015, where King Felipe VI stripped her of the right to use the title of Duchess of Palma de Mallorca, suggesting that the dignity of Infante by first-degree descendancy from a King, once acquired, is held for life.


In summary then, both Sofía, Elena and Cristina appear to hold the same titular dignity (Infanta of Spain) and the same style (Royal Highness). However, I would say that, as of today, Infanta Sofia clearly outranks her aunts (the King's sisters). Not only is she an official member of the Royal Family, whereas her aunts are not, but also she is accorded higher precedence in public and official acts than either Infanta Elena or Infanta Cristina. Once Leonor becomes Queen, then Sofia will be essentially in the same position as Elena and Cristina in the sense that she will lose her place in the RF and will be outranked by Leonor's children (if she has any).

HereditaryPrincess 06-27-2020 05:49 PM

Nice that Leonor and Sofia joined in with the awards - I had hoped that Leonor would at least make an appearance at the awards some time soon, so to get Sofia as well is a bonus for me! Leonor is looking more and more like a mini Letizia.

Countessmeout 06-27-2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess (Post 2322924)
Nice that Leonor and Sofia joined in with the awards - I had hoped that Leonor would at least make an appearance at the awards some time soon, so to get Sofia as well is a bonus for me! Leonor is looking more and more like a mini Letizia.

They both attended the awards ceremony in November last year and Leonor gave a speech at the time.

https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/sp...awards-132998/

But it is great to see the whole family involved in this virtual event. :flowers:

Leonor is becoming quite a confident speaker. Its great Sofia is there in support.

An Ard Ri 06-28-2020 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Countessmeout (Post 2322940)

Leonor is becoming quite a confident speaker. Its great Sofia is there in support.

I couldn't agree more and both of them are wonderful young ladies.Parents must be so proud of them.

kathia_sophia 10-17-2020 11:44 AM

When is the ceremony talking place?

janelarn 10-17-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kathia_sophia (Post 2349376)
When is the ceremony talking place?


I think they say there is no award ceremony this year. We will not see Leonor and Sofía again for several months. What a pity.


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