The Royal Forums

The Royal Forums (https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/)
-   The Earl and Countess of Wessex and Family (https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f114/)
-   -   Did Sophie Copy Princess Diana? (https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f114/did-sophie-copy-princess-diana-2019.html)

ivana31 04-15-2004 05:43 AM

Did Sophie Copy Princess Diana?
 
The Countess of Wessex visits Ballet Schools, orders dresses by Cathrine Walker ( the late Princess Of Wales' favourite designer ), copies Princess Diana's hair style and charity concerns. I would be very curious to hear your competent opinion about this? ;)

Fireweaver 04-15-2004 01:23 PM

I don't believe for a moment that Sophie is copying Diana. They're both blonds that married into the Royal Family, but they're leading very different lives and have made very different choices.
Sophie seems very happy with her place in the family, and Diana obviously wasn't.

Martine 04-15-2004 01:29 PM

i don't think Sophie copies Diana either, they look maybe A BIT the same but i think they are 2 different persons

sophie definetely got her own style!

Claire 04-15-2004 02:09 PM

I doubt there is a conscious effort to copy Diana. So Sophie likes the ballet and good British designers, so do most women in Britain. Anyway isn't imitation the most sincere form of flattering. If Sophie was modelling had to model herself on someone, why not Diana? She is a good example of what people want royals to be.

Who do you think Diana copied? Diffinitely Princess Grace and maybe the sisters of Queen Beatrice of the Netherlands. Diana was unique, but she learnt a lot by copying others. We all do.

Claire

Elspeth 04-15-2004 04:00 PM

Last I saw, Sophie had got herself a new hairstyle that makes her look a lot less like Diana than she did a few years ago.

As far as some of the charity work is concerned, someone had to take over the charity work done by Diana and Princess Margaret, and there aren't that many senior female members of the royal family any more. When William and Harry have wives or when Beatrice and Eugenie grow up (assuming they join the royal round), that might change. Until then, there isn't a lot of choice.

ravenprincess 04-15-2004 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elspeth@Apr 15th, 2004 - 2:00 pm
Last I saw, Sophie had got herself a new hairstyle that makes her look a lot less like Diana than she did a few years ago.

As far as some of the charity work is concerned, someone had to take over the charity work done by Diana and Princess Margaret, and there aren't that many senior female members of the royal family any more. When William and Harry have wives or when Beatrice and Eugenie grow up (assuming they join the royal round), that might change. Until then, there isn't a lot of choice.

I agree with you,

I remember when Sophie was formally introduced to the world, there a ton of comparisons between her and Diana, from thier style, hair... you name it.. It even went as far as to say that she was trying to replace Diana in the royal family.

I think that Sophie has had to deal with trying tobuild a solid foundation for herself and her role in the family, while trying to be an individual while respecting Diana's charatiable contirbutions, and her memory.

I personally don't find anything wrong with the fact that they've used the same designer, that simply means that have good style. And so what that she's decided to attach her name to some of the charites that Diana worked with in the past, as far as I know those are worthwhile charities that Sophie wants to give her time to.

I think that more time should be looked at how she lived her life and the work that she does instead of rather or not she's "copying" someone else.


Just my two cents.
Raven

Alexandria 04-15-2004 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elspeth@Apr 15th, 2004 - 4:00 pm
As far as some of the charity work is concerned, someone had to take over the charity work done by Diana and Princess Margaret, and there aren't that many senior female members of the royal family any more. When William and Harry have wives or when Beatrice and Eugenie grow up (assuming they join the royal round), that might change. Until then, there isn't a lot of choice.
I totally agree. I don't think Sophie is making any attempt to copy or imitate Diana at all. I think there are only comparisons because both women happened to have married into the same family. As for the short blond hair thing, well, coming home today I saw 20 other women with that same hair cut or similar to it and I don't think anyone ever said any of them was trying to copy the Princess of Wales.

I also agree with the comment about the charity. Diana and Margaret were each the patrons of probably hundreds of charities between the two of them. And with the York girls too young to be the patrons of any of these charities, someone had to pick up the slack in the royal family. The Queen and Anne are already the patrons for an extensive list of charities so probably did not have time in their schedules for more; Sophie was the obvious choice especially with stepping back from her PR company to become a "full time" royal.

TheRoyalEmpressV 04-16-2004 11:37 AM

I think that there is a resemblence between Sophie and Diana, I think that Sophie wants to be praised like Diana for her style and charity work :unsure: but I don't think she is trying to COPY Diana too much. I think Sophie will grow into her own eventually. ;)

A.C.C. 04-16-2004 03:47 PM

I doubt The Countess of Wessex is trying to imitate Princess Diana. I think she is tired of people comparing her to Diana anyway. If she takes on certain charities or causes, uch as ballet, who is to say The Countess wasn't fond of ballet from the start and it was already mentioned that since the deaths of Diana and Princess Margaret, many causes and charities are looking for Royal Patrons. On Sophie wearing Catherine Walker gowns, if Catherine Walker designed the amazing pink gown Sophie recently wore to a party at The Ritz, she should keep calling on her for clothes.

H.H 04-16-2004 06:05 PM

I think HRH The Countess of Wessex is very different to the late, Diana, Princess of Wales. Sofie is an intelligent independant woman who knows what she has to do and how to do it, she has style and grace and when you meet her she is charming and very much a person you are able to talk to. Where as the disaster that was lady Diana Spencer was none of these, as she was a very self obsessed woman who changed moods and used people to get her own way and God paid her back in the end. Having met both of these ladies on more than one occasion i have compared them and sofie is the better person.

Bunkycat 04-16-2004 10:14 PM

I don't know that she's necessarily copying Diana at all.

Both women married into royalty, and it's pretty much expected that they dress well, and do good work. So, Diana was the one who came along first and started the ball rolling. Sophie is now taking her turn, being the most senior royal woman in rank, after the Queen. She even steps ahead of Princess Anne, if I am not mistaken. (Please let me know if I have this messed up.)

She is expected to 'put on a show' and dress well, so it's no surprise that she's taking advantage of the talents of Catherine Walker. It's nice stuff! Who wouldn't want to wear it? And she is also expected to do her share of charity work, so there's nothing unusual about her visiting the ballet or anywhere else that may need a boost in donations and profile. More power to her. I hope she's doing it well and that her appearances benefit those charities financially.

I feel sorry for her in a way, especially about her hair. If she had been a redhead, everyone would have said she was trying to replace Fergie! I don't think she can truly win in this situation. Diana is a tough act to follow.

Bunky

Lalla Meriem 04-17-2004 02:33 AM

Much has been said of Sophie's involvement in the Ballet. I would just like to add that it was HRH The Duke of York who took on Diana, Princess of Wales' former patronage of the English National Ballet not The Countess of Wessex. The Duke has also take on a number of the other causes left behind by Diana. I think this was an excellent move on his part.

Claire 04-17-2004 02:56 PM

Sophie was never a red head. She was born with lightish blond hair which darkened to light brown as she grew elder. She started dying her blond in the eightys, before we (and her) even knew of Diana's exisitance. I think it was an eighties thing, we were all following Madonna.

Claire

ivana31 04-20-2004 06:14 AM

I think that Sophie has been immitating Diana very hard during the first years she has spent with the Royal Family. After all, Sophie has dated Edward long time before they got married and she probably needed to prove that she is a good choice for a British Royal Family Member. Now, she feels more confident and finds out her true style.

nouwrein 04-23-2004 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Claire@Apr 17th, 2004 - 1:56 pm
Sophie was never a red head. She was born with lightish blond hair which darkened to light brown as she grew elder. She started dying her blond in the eightys, before we (and her) even knew of Diana's exisitance. I think it was an eighties thing, we were all following Madonna.

Claire

Diana's existence was certainly known by the start of the 80s (i think even before Madonna had her first hit song, the virgin song i guess was in 1983), Diana was very popular in 1981 - around the time of her engagement and especially her marriage to Charles.

We dont know if Sophie did copy Diana's style, but that blonde hair do was very popular then, even celebrities had that hairstyle.

Alexandria 04-23-2004 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by holly*anja@Apr 23rd, 2004 - 11:30 am
I don't mean to accuse Sophie of doing anything, but if you were her and you married into a family whose only real "star" (and really, one of the only truly respected members of the RF) had died and left a "vacancy" which the public was looking to fill, wouldn't you be just a bit tempted to take on some of that? Diana's legacy is a very powerful thing...I'm certain that in no way was Sophie disappointed by any press comparisons to Diana. I doubt that she's going out of her way to create resemblances, but I also doubt very much that she's doing much to quiet the ones that occur naturally.

Just a thought...

I think that no matter what Sophie did (in the early years after marrying Edward) she would've been compared to Diana, even if only for the fact that she is blonde and has a similar hair cut to Diana's. It was inevitable.

But I think Sophie had consciously tried to copy Diana's style of fashion, she would've gotten much flack about it from the press about it, for trying to ride Diana's coat tails and what not. As commented, Diana left behind a tremendous legacy and I doubt that Sophie would've tried to copy it. In fact, I think the opposite was true, that while dating Edward and while Diana was still alive I remember comparisions in HELLO! about the two women, and I think that if anything, Sophie tried to break away from the "Diana mould" rather than carbon copy it.

Julian 06-13-2004 02:40 PM

How many times has this great ballet lover Sophie Wessex actually attended the ballet? What is known of her past associations with ballet or any area of dance either personal or professional? Did she make time to attend ballet in Sydney/London or wherever else she was when she had plenty of time before lucking onto the RF?

Fact is, neither the English National Ballet nor any of the other charities that the PssoWales was associated with actually require royal patronage to function effectively and there have been periods where they've had to operate without any member of the RF giving nominal support. So Lady Wessex's deliberate associating with these things seems quite calculated.

Same with Catherine Walker. People always criticise the Pssof Wales for being too fashion conscious but it was she who brought media attention to Catherine Walker and if she was "too fashion conscious" and you make remarks about her Armanis/JimmyChoose/Catherine Walker then perhaps you should also declare those fashion labels off-limits for those Royals who in your estimation can do no wrong? :yuk:

Elspeth 06-13-2004 08:24 PM

Quote:

Fact is, neither the English National Ballet nor any of the other charities that the PssoWales was associated with actually require royal patronage to function effectively and there have been periods where they've had to operate without any member of the RF giving nominal support. So Lady Wessex's deliberate associating with these things seems quite calculated.
The Countess of Wessex isn't patron of the ENB; the Duke of York is. If the charities and organisations Diana was involved with decided they wanted to continue to have a royal patron, there isn't all that much choice at the moment. The Queen's pushing 80, the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret are dead, Princess Anne's already very busy, none of the Queen's royal grandchildren are old enough to be taking on this sort of duty, and the general feeling around the country seems to be to slim down the royal family, which would rule out the Gloucesters and Princess Alexandra. Not really many options, especially when the Wessexes are looking to do royal duties full-time after their respective failures at private employment and when the Duke of York has left the Navy and has been criticised for spending too much time playing golf and not enough time working.

Julian 06-13-2004 09:38 PM

Quote:

The Countess of Wessex isn't patron of the ENB; the Duke of York is
I never stated she was patron of it now did I? I was responding to other people's assertions that she had tried to associate herself with ballet interests.

However what I did state is a fact: none of these is going to go under just because the Duke of York or whomever isn't giving their nominal patronage one year or another.

tiaraprin 06-13-2004 10:42 PM

Sophie has had a hard act to follow in Diana. While perhaps she is flattered by the physical comparison, I believe Sophie wants to be her own person while perhaps continuing the trend to promote British designers like Diana did.

I do not think it is awful if Catherine Walker designs for Sophie. While Diana was alive, the Duchess of Kent was wearing her designs and still does! If Catherine Walker can make great outfits for Sophie, I think it is all good. I don't necessarily think by using Catherine Walker, Sophie is "copying" Diana, she is just using a great designer and boosting the British Fashion scene. If she is boosting the British Fashion scene like Diana once did, that is good too!! Keep the British on the map!! Just because Diana did it, does not mean Sophie cannot take up the baton on a few things and incorporate it into her public persona!.

As someone who loves Diana greatly, I think Sophie is inoffensive to Diana's memory and is doing well! People should leave poor Sophie alone about this and let her get on with her life!

kelly9480 06-14-2004 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tiaraprin@Jun 13th, 2004 - 8:42 pm
I do not think it is awful if Catherine Walker designs for Sophie. While Diana was alive, the Duchess of Kent was wearing her designs and still does! If Catherine Walker can make great outfits for Sophie, I think it is all good. I don't necessarily think by using Catherine Walker, Sophie is "copying" Diana, she is just using a great designer and boosting the British Fashion scene. If she is boosting the British Fashion scene like Diana once did, that is good too!! Keep the British on the map!! Just because Diana did it, does not mean Sophie cannot take up the baton on a few things and incorporate it into her public persona!.

As someone who loves Diana greatly, I think Sophie is inoffensive to Diana's memory and is doing well! People should leave poor Sophie alone about this and let her get on with her life!

Sophie doesn't wear just CW. She's got some other designer, too. I forget the woman's name but it was mentioned in the Majesty magazine article on Sophie a few months ago.

sara1981 06-14-2004 12:26 AM

I think Countess of Wessex would replace for Princess Diana's job this summer at Angola where she would follow footsteps same Diana in 1997 what you think?

I think Sophie wouldnt had patron as Ballet because Duke of York had it he been replace for Diana,Princess of Wales he acceptance to become president or patron of Ballet since Diana been ballet patron since 1980's to 1997.

if you have names of woman who designer for Sophie? not as Catherine Walker because Catherine Walker wanted special honour for Diana,Princess of Wales because Diana was popular Princess.

Sara Boyce

Elspeth 06-14-2004 01:12 AM

Quote:

I never stated she was patron of it now did I? I was responding to other people's assertions that she had tried to associate herself with ballet interests.
You spoke of the ENB in particular. She hasn't associated herself with the ENB. I think her only official association with ballet is to one ballet school. As to whether she was genuinely interested in ballet before her marriage, the offical royal family website says she was.


Quote:

However what I did state is a fact: none of these is going to go under just because the Duke of York or whomever isn't giving their nominal patronage one year or another.
Obviously not; charities and arts associations manage to survive quite handily without royal patrons, and they survive in countries without royal families. However, they don't get a royal patron unless they request one (and sometimes then they don't get one anyway), which means that the decision-makers at the ENB and other ballet companies (and arts associations and charities) with royal patrons must have thought that having an association with a member of the royal family would be advantageous.

Julian 06-14-2004 04:04 AM

Others spoke of the English National Ballet. I repeated that reference and also mentioned other associations. Nor did I state that Sophie Wessex was "associated" directly with ENB.

Obviously royal patronage can be advantageous, but that's a very general statement and doesn't bear much scrutiny. One charity may have such and a similar type of charity not, and there is certainly no guarantee that the former will have any financial or other "advantage" over the latter. It's as simple as that. And Sophie Wessex IMO certainly doesn't work any major advantage as a charity patron no matter what fuss they make over her publicly. Some royals will just do a far better job at it in terms of time and visibility they bring to a cause or organization.

kelly9480 06-14-2004 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sara1981@Jun 13th, 2004 - 10:26 pm
if you have names of woman who designer for Sophie? not as Catherine Walker because Catherine Walker wanted special honour for Diana,Princess of Wales because Diana was popular Princess.

Sara Boyce

Sara, Catherine walker runs a business. She designs for ppl who will pay for her designs. She could not possibly be refusing customers other than Diana because her business would have folded by now.

Sophie wears at least two designers, Catherine Walker and the other lady. According to reports, Sophie had some clothes made by CW when she and Edward decided to do to fulltime royal duties.

Claire 06-14-2004 03:23 PM

Hi,

I would just liek ot make a few correction. Sophie and her entire family on both sides have a long tradition of ballet. Sophie and her female cousins all attended ballet school and if you probably ask Sopihe what she wanted to be when she was a child, it would be a ballerina. (But the same can be said could all little girls)
Sophie's paternal grandmother and an aunt (unsure which side of family) were dancers in the Royal Ballet. So your answer to is Sophie just involved in ballet to copy Diana would be very wrong. Ballet appreciation is a much a part of the Rhys- Jones household, as the Windsors and the Spencers. And yes, Edward and Sopihe regualy attend the ballet, before and after their wedding. Just because it doesn't make headlines, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Sophie is going to Africa in July to Tanzania, not Angola like Diana did for her anti-landmine campaign. Sophie was 'asked' by Vision 2020 to help bring awareness to the project on behalf of Vision 2020 the British Charity who will be asssiting WHO (World Health Oraganisation).

Claire

Lady Jean 06-15-2004 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kelly9480@Jun 14th, 2004 - 9:14 am
She could not possibly be refusing customers other than Diana because her business would have folded by now.


Catherine Walker has had quite a unique approach to her business - an overall low-key image (one of the reasons why Diana chose her.) She obviously doesn't possess an ambition to be something like Dior or Versace that is always talked about. If Diana didn't use her she would not be out of business today, she would still be making an extremely comfortable living designing for other members of the royal family and the many society figures of London. I haven't seen Sophie in too many of her designs, and I don't see how the Countess of Wessex could afford these couture clothes - she doesn't have as much money at her disposal as Diana.

Lady Jean 06-17-2004 11:38 AM

The financial situation of Wessex vs. Wales is very different, but of course Sophie can afford to pay huge sums for clothes, etc.

tiaraprin 06-18-2004 12:22 PM

It seems though in royal circles, even what we would consider a huge sum of money for clothes doesn't even come close to what is expected. Fergie talked about this. She said she received a generous stipend from the Queen and it still wasn't enough to keep up!

Claire 06-19-2004 07:49 AM

I know I'm propbably going to get kicked for saying this. But I think that Sophie has it better than Sarah. I remember that Sarah used to get such bad press whenever she wore a dress twice, when she looked bad in an outfit or her hat was ugly. Sophie rewears her outfits regularly, and she thankfully doesn't get that.
The late 80's tabloids were ruthless.

Claire

A.C.C. 06-19-2004 12:01 PM

I agree with you Claire. The Countess of Wessex does have it better than Sarah, but I don't think it's because of her repeating clothes or not, I just think it is because Sophie's style is MUCH MUCH better than Sarah's ever was. At the beggining of the marriage, Sophie's style was not that good, but now, her style is amazing. Sarah's style never got better, plus, Sarah was constantly compared to Diana when it came to their clothes, while Sophie is rarely now compared to Diana. The Wessex's income is no where near that of the Wales', but Sophie can still easily afford to by designer and couture clothes, hats, etc., especially with The Queen paying them (as well as Anne and Andrew) a generous allowence every year.

tiaraprin 06-19-2004 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Claire@Jun 19th, 2004 - 6:49 am
I know I'm propbably going to get kicked for saying this. But I think that Sophie has it better than Sarah. I remember that Sarah used to get such bad press whenever she wore a dress twice, when she looked bad in an outfit or her hat was ugly. Sophie rewears her outfits regularly, and she thankfully doesn't get that.
The late 80's tabloids were ruthless.

Claire

You are right Claire in saying that the 80's tabloids were ruthless. Sarah had much to contend with--comparisons to Diana, and a dress style that did not improve immediately. Perhaps the Queen learned from this and makes sure Sophie doesn't fall into the predicament that Sarah did by giving even more money to insure fashion acceptance.

In addition, when the economy is not as good as it was in the 80's, it is now considered good that Sophie recycles her outfits. If Sarah or Diana did too much of that, they would have been splashed across the tabloids as a "second-hand roses".

LOSSEAN 03-08-2007 06:14 PM

I love both women and I do not think that Sophie copied Diana. In the early days when she broke into the scene, I would often mistake her for Diana when I saw her pictures but it is more because of the similarity in their looks, hairstyle etc. She may have used the experience of Diana as a guideline in the area of fashions and I don't see anything wrong with that. Diana was the trendsetter for the modern princesses in that area.
But from the beginning she developed her own style. I think her clothes for royal duties are more proffessional and businesslike (except for the hats!), wheres Diana's tended to be of the genteel style - pretty and beautiful. IMHO.

principessa 05-07-2007 12:02 PM

I heard some years ago on TV that Lady Diana had known Sophie. And Diana was a little bit nerved by the looking of Sophie. Diana said with a little humor in her voice: "Oh, my mirror is coming." But Sophie looks like she looks.

sirhon11234 05-07-2007 05:34 PM

I think Diana knew of Sophie she must have seen Sophie at family events at windsor or balmoral castle I also remeber that both Diana and Sophie were at Lady Sarah Chatto's wedding there's even a photo of them together.

HRH Kimetha 05-07-2007 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiaraprin
You are right Claire in saying that the 80's tabloids were ruthless. Sarah had much to contend with--comparisons to Diana, and a dress style that did not improve immediately. Perhaps the Queen learned from this and makes sure Sophie doesn't fall into the predicament that Sarah did by giving even more money to insure fashion acceptance.

In addition, when the economy is not as good as it was in the 80's, it is now considered good that Sophie recycles her outfits. If Sarah or Diana did too much of that, they would have been splashed across the tabloids as a "second-hand roses".

Also, Sarah has a mouth on her and she was quite verbal about her likes/dislikes and the press. She probably made so enemies with the media and therefore they weren't going to treat too kindly.

HRH Kimetha 05-07-2007 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirhon11234
I think Diana knew of Sophie she must have seen Sophie at family events at windsor or balmoral castle I also remeber that both Diana and Sophie were at Lady Sarah Chatto's wedding there's even a photo of them together.

I sure would like to see that photo as I think they resemble one another more than Diana's sister Jane.

HRH Kimetha 05-07-2007 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Jean
The financial situation of Wessex vs. Wales is very different, but of course Sophie can afford to pay huge sums for clothes, etc.

I wonder how much does the Wesexxes bring in on a yearly basis. Then they have the huge monthly payment on their home and they have to present themselves very princely. So, I wonder if they pinch pennies. Since, Sophie has no job now, except for the crown, she might get a little edgy and want to do more than what she is doing and to earn her own cash.

Claire 05-08-2007 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirhon11234
I think Diana knew of Sophie she must have seen Sophie at family events at windsor or balmoral castle I also remeber that both Diana and Sophie were at Lady Sarah Chatto's wedding there's even a photo of them together.

I know from a very reliable source that Diana went out of her way to find out about Sophie, buying newspapers that wrote about her and talking to people that had met her. I wonder if she ever made an attempt to meet her.

There is no doubt that Sophie can't afford to spend a lot on clothes. She receives a budget from the Queen for clothes for engagements - which has to be accounted for. It is actually determined according to need. An official tour gets more money, other clothes comes out of her pocket or Edwards. The money she get from the Queen pays for her and Edward's staff, not clothes and asessories.
I think that Sophie is very good with budget buying, she plans her wardrope in advance, and sticks to classics and things she can mix and match. I don't think they have to worry about Edward's wardrobe - he could be wearing the Duke of Edinburgh's hand me downs and we wouldn't know.

Skydragon 05-08-2007 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HRH Kimetha
I wonder how much does the Wesexxes bring in on a yearly basis. Then they have the huge monthly payment on their home and they have to present themselves very princely.

Bagshot Park is a Crown Estates property and as a result, Edward and Sophie will not pay any rent or utilities. He used to get around 141,000 per year from the civil list, but with inflation I should think that has gone up and the Queen will not stint any of her children's pocket money. Any clothes for official tours are paid for by the Foreign Office. Although she is almost a minor royal, she will still get the freebies. :flowers:

sirhon11234 05-08-2007 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HRH Kimetha
I sure would like to see that photo as I think they resemble one another more than Diana's sister Jane.

Heres the link
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...-a-5354-2.html
look at post 23 HRH Kimetha.

HRH Kimetha 05-08-2007 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirhon11234
Heres the link
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...-a-5354-2.html
look at post 23 HRH Kimetha.

Thanks, Sirhon. This picture does show the two of them looking like sisters.

sirhon11234 05-08-2007 11:37 PM

Your Welcome.

ClassicRoyal 05-27-2007 05:50 PM

Sophie resembles Diana in looks only
 
Sophie does indeed look a lot like Princess Diana, however when watching interviews with her it is very evident that her personality is far more assertive than Diana's. Diana had a quiet loveliness and sweet spirit that made her unique as a royal. Sophie may look like her, but that's where the similarity ends. Sophie's strength is her stamina. Beloved Diana did not have a chance to develop it coming into the royal family at such an early age. Luckily Sophie got to watch and learn from past mistakes and live inside the royal circle for many years before she became an official member. Sophie is lovely and it is nice that she resembles a beloved royal such as Princess Diana.

BeatrixFan 05-27-2007 05:57 PM

It was interesting that all the Di lookalikes became Sophie lookalikes when she died. At least they weren't like the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret lookalikes I've worked with who are still doing it 5 years on. Don't get me wrong, the ladies who do it are lovely but I think there's an issue of taste.

HRH Kerry 05-27-2007 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClassicRoyal
...Beloved Diana did not have a chance to develop it coming into the royal family at such an early age...

So true. Imagine what obstacles she might've overcame if she had been able to develop into a stronger woman. She really came into her own later in her life. I believe that she might still be with us if she had the chance to grow into an adult. MHO

I know this is Sophie's thread but...

misselle 05-28-2007 03:04 PM

Well,Sophie took cues from a very fashionable woman;Diana was dressing chicly,elegantly and tastefully in those days.Who can blame Sophie for wanting to look elegant,too?
I miss Sophie's shorter hair,but longer hair serves as padding for a tiara,I suppose.

ysbel 05-28-2007 06:12 PM

Well Diana had about 17 years from the time of her marriage to the time of her death, so she had plenty of time to grow into an adult.

sophie 05-30-2007 05:47 AM

the di look
 
back then everyone wanted the di look:wub:

CasiraghiTrio 05-30-2007 10:20 AM

I think honestly that Diana sort of copied the Duchess of Gloucester. If you look at the eighties photos of both women, their styles are remarkably similar. Maybe it was accidental and only because of the fashions for women of their calibur in the day, but I can't shake that impression. And in the nineties, when the Duchess chopped her hair, Diana did it too.
Sophie must have been part of the same social set and therefore, Sophie went along with the same fashions.
As to Sophie and Diana "looking" alike, no way, not at all. There is some similar Sloaney-poney-ness but that's it. I think they got on well, though, and respected each other. I remember a photo of them together from 1994. They seemed to enjoy each other's company a lot. :smile:

sirhon11234 06-03-2007 08:39 PM

I think by the time of her death Diana did mature into a strong woman.

Skydragon 06-04-2007 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasiraghiTrio
I think honestly that Diana sort of copied the Duchess of Gloucester. If you look at the eighties photos of both women, their styles are remarkably similar. Maybe it was accidental and only because of the fashions for women of their calibur in the day, but I can't shake that impression. And in the nineties, when the Duchess chopped her hair, Diana did it too.
Sophie must have been part of the same social set and therefore, Sophie went along with the same fashions.

I think you are spot on and yes they were the fashion of the day. :flowers:

Zonk 06-04-2007 09:48 PM

Actually...if I recall (can't remember the source)...the Chatto wedding was one of the few times that Sophie and Diana were in the same place. Diana was on her way out of the family and Sophie was just dating (although seriously) Edward.

Sophie made an effort not to be that close to Diana (at least in public) because of the comparisons that were being made in the press. There was also talk of Sophie being uncomfortable because Diana was staring at her (it is somewhat rude but I am going to guess that Diana was looking for the "comparison" as well.

Supposedly we all have a twin in the world. I have seen pics of "mine" and to me...we look nothing alike!

But yes in the 90's...a lot of people dressed like them.

CasiraghiTrio 06-05-2007 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zonk
...the Chatto wedding was one of the few times that Sophie and Diana were in the same place.

That was it. It was the Chatto wedding where I saw them in one photo talking just outside the cathedral. The photo was in the book by Andrew Morton, the second one he did about Diana, "her new life" or something. Well, in any case, they looked like they felt pleasant enough. I think Diana remained on good terms with some members of the family and was always mindful, though respectful of those members' cautious attitude to her. She knew what a tight rope it was and didn't want to make things worse, if only for the sake of her sons. I like what sirhon said a couple of posts up and agree that she was finally growing up and coming to terms with her demons, taken from the world at a time when she was maturing very nicely. It took her a long time to mature, but in fairness, she had a lot more demons to battle out than say, Camilla, who really has had a charmed existence by comparison! ;) Camilla found her soulmate so young and has always been loved by the man of her dreams ever since. how many people are so lucky?

Duchess 07-02-2007 09:49 AM

except for the hair i don't think they look anything alike. i also think that sophie is quietly confident enough not to have to copy diana. both women have wonderful fashion sense and seem to stick to classic styles.

CasiraghiTrio 07-16-2007 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duchess (Post 635077)
except for the hair i don't think they look anything alike. i also think that sophie is quietly confident enough not to have to copy diana. both women have wonderful fashion sense and seem to stick to classic styles.

No, I agree that there is no question of either Sophie or Diana ever copying each other, not intentionally. Apart from having similar mannerisms and fashion preferences, from being products of similar social circles, there is no resemblance beyond superficiality. However, some pictures of Sophie and Edward when they were just getting to know each other, vaguely resemble Prince William and Kate, not physically, but just the way they hold themselves with each other, the mannerisms and everything. Prince William now is just so young Edwardish, and Kate just has that Sophie, part-girl-next-door, part-wealthy Miss Tweedy quality. :biggrin:

But all the royal women do kind of copy each other in a way. They have this strict code of fashion -- tweeds for country outings, proper heels and skirts for engagements, tiaras for gala -- that they all just stick to and feed from. Besides that, there are the standard swapping and recycling, Diana wearing (and getting some foot fungus thing from) Sarah's shoes, the Queen pawning off her oldie dresses on Anne or Margaret or whatever.... I guess it's just another reason to love them. ;)

pinkie40 08-28-2007 06:41 PM

Sophie did have a different hairstyle in the photo (I don't have the link) taken at the "real tennis" first meeting of Prince Edward. (The one where she draped her arm around Edward) the next photos I remember of Sophie showed her with a very similar cut of the early Diana style...but then that particular style (which I thought was inspired by Dorothy Hamil at the 1976 Olympics) is a no-muss, no-fuss style...very flattering for both Diana's and Sophie's face shape.

Sophie always looks very nice and never seems to want to upstage Her Majesty which should be the goal of every royal lady.

Princess B 04-21-2008 12:33 PM

i dont think so

maybe thier choices are similar

but it doesnt seem like she is copying her

iowabelle 04-21-2008 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasiraghiTrio (Post 641975)
Diana wearing (and getting some foot fungus thing from) Sarah's shoes,

In her autobiography Sarah claimed that SHE caught something from Diana's shoes... and this allegedly caused the rift that lasted until Diana's death.

sirhon11234 04-21-2008 03:33 PM

I still don't understand why she mentioned that in her book.

iowabelle 04-22-2008 02:59 PM

I don't know why Sarah did it, maybe it was just Sarah being Sarah and talking too much. She had to know it would really tick off Diana.

Back to Sophie. I don't think Sophie consciously copied Diana, but Diana's style was very pervasive until her death. And Sophie does resemble Diana in some ways, the face is very similar although their body types were quite different. IMO Sophie is prettier and more delicate than Diana, although Diana radiated in a way that Sophie doesn't, at least for me.

sirhon11234 04-22-2008 03:23 PM

In the beginning I thought Sophie resembled the Princess a lot. But now I don't see the resemblance anymore. Sophie is pretty but not as pretty as Diana IMO.
And her style is very different from Diana's nor do I think she ever tried to copy her. And I agree iowabelle that Sophie doesen't have that star quality that Diana had.

iowabelle 04-22-2008 03:38 PM

To explain why I don't think Diana was pretty. When you look at photos she has a terribly large bump on her nose, and her nose, which is large, is quite crooked. (William seems to have inherited her nose.) And I've noticed that one of her eyes was much larger than the other. I think that Sophie has more symmetrical features and smaller bones.

But to me Diana was beautiful. I think she had an aura, a star quality, which Sophie lacks. Diana had this aura even when she was a Sloane Ranger, before all the fashion and cosmetics gurus got hold of her.

erica_potvin 04-22-2008 04:51 PM

I thought that Sophie had reddish hair, then she became blonde. Am I wrong?

TheTruth 04-22-2008 05:09 PM

That's true, Erica. In 1994, she had red hair :

Getty Images - Unsupported browser detected

erica_potvin 04-22-2008 05:47 PM

Thank you for the pic. So she may have wanted to look like the princess of wales abit. Even the way she had her hair cut. Its amazing that sophie didn't keep her true hair color.

TheTruth 04-22-2008 05:59 PM

Well I'm not sure she was born with red hair. But her hair cut like this has, IMO, very few to do with her willing to resemble Diana. It was very trendy to have short hair in the 1990's (check out the end of the page : Hairstyles Through the Ages - Crystalinks).

selrahc4 04-26-2008 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erica_potvin (Post 757338)
Its amazing that sophie didn't keep her true hair color.

Nor did Diana. I've often wondered what Diana's natural hair color would have been by the time she was in her thirties. Lightish brown perhaps with some auburn highlights?

TheTruth 04-26-2008 09:37 AM

I believe so, selrahc4. Perhaps even brownish cause hair has a tendency to get darker when you age. Would be nice to photoshop a pic and see how it it looks.

Claire 04-26-2008 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erica_potvin (Post 757312)
I thought that Sophie had reddish hair, then she became blonde. Am I wrong?

Actually Sophie has dark brown hair like her parents and brother. She has been dyeing it since the 1980's various colours.:lol:

Mara Jade 02-07-2009 01:43 PM

I've always liked Sophie and I thought she had her own style. What Diana did, other designers copied, so it would be hard to be alive in the same time frame and not look like Diana. While Diana was flashy and liked to show off, I think Sophie had, and has, a more refined, ladylike style. Sophie understands what it means to be part of an ensemble and Diana always had to be the star, so she tried really hard to dress and act in ways that would bring her the validation that she craved.

Lady Ann 06-11-2009 07:36 PM

IMO Diana's nose and eyes made her and the smile was out of this world. She was a natrual beatuy.... I loved her when we first seen her with her chubby checks and girlish looks. she grew into her own style and grace. Shopie is very pretty too in a differnt way. Sophie may not have a star quality but she has captured the Queens heart and respect which is something Diana did not seem to be able to do IMO

sirhon11234 06-11-2009 08:13 PM

I think the Queen liked both of her daughters-in laws but it was Sophie whom she adored.
I have always been found Sophie to be a very pretty and warm looking woman. But some of fashion choices especially the satellite hats she wears are just not my cup of tea.

Lady Ann 06-12-2009 03:47 PM

I have to agree there some of the hats are so big and wow !!!!!!

Iluvbertie 06-12-2009 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirhon11234 (Post 951432)
I think the Queen liked both of her daughters-in laws but it was Sophie whom she adored.
I have always been found Sophie to be a very pretty and warm looking woman. But some of fashion choices especially the satellite hats she wears are just not my cup of tea.


I think, of the Queen's four daughters-in-law that she has probably had least in common with Diana. That doesn't mean that she didn't like here or anything like that but Diana was a city girl and the royals are country people at heart.

Sophie, to me, is beautiful, both inside and out. She is so good for the family.

Diana to me was a pretty face but I never saw her as beautiful or having an aura or anything like that. She seemed to me to be false - always playing to the public but not really wanting to be there. In other words she seemed like a good actress to me.

I know that some of you think she was wonderful. I respect that. I disagree and didn't see her as anything to get worked up about. I hope you will respect my right to dee her I do.

Baroness Squigy 07-03-2009 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivana31 (Post 80923)
The Countess of Wessex visits Ballet Schools, orders dresses by Cathrine Walker ( the late Princess Of Wales' favourite designer ), copies Princess Diana's hair style and charity concerns. I would be very curious to hear your competent opinion about this? ;)


Sophie is nothing like Diana. Diana was sweet and modest, and I really don't see that in Countess Sophie.

Mermaid1962 07-03-2009 08:01 PM

Diana became less modest as the years went by. By the mid-90s, she was wearing very short skirts and quite low-cut dresses. OTOH Sophie's gone in the opposite direction: from having had an early reputation as something of a party-girl, she's become a devoted wife and mother and a real asset to the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh.:flowers:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baroness Squigy (Post 961498)
Sophie is nothing like Diana. Diana was sweet and modest, and I really don't see that in Countess Sophie.


Iluvbertie 07-03-2009 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mermaid1962 (Post 961526)
Diana became less modest as the years went by. By the mid-90s, she was wearing very short skirts and quite low-cut dresses. OTOH Sophie's gone in the opposite direction: from having had an early reputation as something of a party-girl, she's become a devoted wife and mother and a real asset to the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh.:flowers:


So true.

Sophie is calm, gentle, sweet and lovely whereas Diana was none of these things.

Sophie is the ideal royal wife and I hope a role model for future royal brides.

Baroness Squigy 07-03-2009 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mermaid1962 (Post 961526)
Diana became less modest as the years went by. By the mid-90s, she was wearing very short skirts and quite low-cut dresses. OTOH Sophie's gone in the opposite direction: from having had an early reputation as something of a party-girl, she's become a devoted wife and mother and a real asset to the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh.:flowers:


Yeah, I guess that's true. I just have a little trouble forgetting her "early days." But, I still don't think she is like Diana. She seems outgoing and bubbly, while Diana was kind of quiet and shy.

Lighthouse 09-21-2009 05:43 AM

:ermm: Princess Diana's hair was one of her most stunning traits in the early 1980s. Perhaps it was a look that Sophie thought worked for her so she styled it like that. Anyway don't you think both women were sporting the Diana-do long after it's used by date?

sirhon11234 09-21-2009 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baroness Squigy (Post 961498)
Sophie is nothing like Diana. Diana was sweet and modest, and I really don't see that in Countess Sophie.

Well the Princess was sweet at times but by 1997 she lost her modesty. :smile:

Lighthouse 09-21-2009 09:33 PM

That's bound to happen when your friends are egocentric celebrities.:flowers:

Sereta 09-22-2009 07:42 PM

I think Sophie is too comfortable with herself (self-confident) to feel the need to copy Diana. I think that style of haircut just happened to look good on Sophie.

magnik 09-23-2009 09:48 AM

Sophie before and few years after Diana's death no matter what she had wore
was identify to the late Princess. It was mainly because of their look a like.
I would say that now she has her own style - Sophie's style. And only maybe
sometimes she is identify to Diana. It's similar to Mary and Marie at the moment.

Warren 10-03-2009 11:05 AM

It is now over twelve years since Diana's death and this thread has served its purpose.
Rather than continuing to repeat what has already been said, it is now time to bring this discussion to a close.

Warren
for the British Forum moderators


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:12 AM.

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021
Jelsoft Enterprises