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muriel 11-07-2008 11:25 AM

Which countries would you like to see Charles & Camilla visit over the next few years
 
It would be interesting to hear which countries you think Charles and Camilla shoud visit over the next few years. I personally think the focus should be on Africa and the commonwealth countries for a number of reasons. Firstly, their visits would bring further attention to the region, help channel investment, highlight charitable causes and also, help secure Charles' place as successor to the Queen as the head of the Commonwealth. Some of the work that William and Harry are doing in the region can also complement Charles and Camilla.

Royal Fan 11-07-2008 03:29 PM

All the Commonwealth ,USA ,Russia Norway Sweden Denmark Finland Isreal Germany and South Africa.

TheTruth 11-07-2008 03:51 PM

As a selfish French resident, I'd like them to visit France :biggrin:.

Iluvbertie 11-07-2008 04:03 PM

Charles hasn't been Down Under since his engagement to Camilla and he did say he would bring her here.

I hope he does so soon, along with the Commonwealth countries.

He should take her to all his future realms, especially Australia and New Zealand. We seem to be getting more visits these days from foreign royalty than British and personally I have no interest in their visits at all. I want to see my future King and his consort.

BellaFay 11-07-2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheTruth (Post 849225)
As a selfish French resident, I'd like them to visit France :biggrin:.

They are - but admittedly only briefly this coming November 11th to mark the 90th anniversary of the end of WWI. I think they are due to meet President Sarkozy and wife.

BellaFay 11-07-2008 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 849226)
Charles hasn't been Down Under since his engagement to Camilla and he did say he would bring her here.

I hope he does so soon, along with the Commonwealth countries.

He should take her to all his future realms, especially Australia and New Zealand. We seem to be getting more visits these days from foreign royalty than British and personally I have no interest in their visits at all. I want to see my future King and his consort.

The problem is that Prince Charles doesn't have an input into the decision. It is made by the Queen's and the PM's staff and if neither of them want to send them to Australia, New Zealand etc then there's nothing much he can do about it. I think Canada is actually 'owed' half a royal tour by Prince Charles. When he last went it was during the big foot & mouth outbreak in the UK & the Canadian govt wouldn't allow him to visit any rural areas so it halved the vist from 10 days to 5.

TheTruth 11-07-2008 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BellaFay (Post 849242)
They are - but admittedly only briefly this coming November 11th to mark the 90th anniversary of the end of WWI. I think they are due to meet President Sarkozy and wife.

Cool! I wasn't aware of that. Thanks!:flowers:
I believe it will be aired on TV so I'll watch for them :biggrin:

love_cc 11-07-2008 08:06 PM

China and Australia are my choices. I would like to have a chance to see my favourable royals by my eyes in Australia since I am a resident there now;

Since Princess Anne, Prince Andrew and his daughter have visited China recently via (Olympics Games , and Earthquake areas), I would like to have Prince Charles and his wife to visit China any time soon to promote envirionmental issues, heritage reseverations issues, and community-(youth and volunteer) and so on.

rominet09 11-07-2008 08:43 PM

I'd love to see them in Belgium, and especially Liège, I can dream !

Royal Fan 11-07-2008 09:40 PM

Portugual Spain and Brazil .

ada 11-08-2008 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 849226)
Charles hasn't been Down Under since his engagement to Camilla and he did say he would bring her here.

I hope he does so soon, along with the Commonwealth countries.

He should take her to all his future realms, especially Australia and New Zealand. We seem to be getting more visits these days from foreign royalty than British and personally I have no interest in their visits at all. I want to see my future King and his consort.

Yes, Australia should be high on their list. And I extend a genuine offer for them to spend a night or two at our place, I'm sure they'll be no trouble at all.

Roslyn 11-08-2008 02:39 AM

Australia, please. I would like to see them here showing an interest in us, and I would just like to see them. :smile:

Nico 11-08-2008 09:29 AM

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believe it will be aired on TV so I'll watch for them :biggrin:
On France 2 between 10 and 12 am ;)

Can't wait ....:rofl:

chaimae 11-08-2008 10:49 AM

i dream to see charles and camilla in my contrie Morocco , and especially my specialy my city Tetouan !! i wll be the first to welcome my lovely duchess camilla !!!!!

User0501 11-08-2008 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 849155)
It would be interesting to hear which countries you think Charles and Camilla shoud visit over the next few years. I personally think the focus should be on Africa and the commonwealth countries for a number of reasons. Firstly, their visits would bring further attention to the region, help channel investment, highlight charitable causes and also, help secure Charles' place as successor to the Queen as the head of the Commonwealth. Some of the work that William and Harry are doing in the region can also complement Charles and Camilla.

I would like to see HRH Prince Charles to visit Malaysia in the near future.

muriel 11-11-2008 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Roslyn (Post 849362)
Australia, please. I would like to see them here showing an interest in us, and I would just like to see them. :smile:

I have no doubt they would love to visit your great country. There might just be the slight problem of vast numbers of your fellow countrymen and women wanting to metaphorically(!) guillotine them.

BeatrixFan 11-11-2008 10:03 AM

Well, I'd love to see them visit Queen Beatrix in the Netherlands, Queen Margrethe in Denmark and King Carl Gustav in Sweden. I think those would be lovely glittering trips.

sneeuwklokje 11-11-2008 10:11 AM

Yes, Holland would be nice. He and Queen Bea could be talking about horses all day!!

BeatrixFan 11-11-2008 10:24 AM

And can you imagine the war of the hats between the Queen and the Duchess?

sneeuwklokje 11-11-2008 10:30 AM

Yes, I can, especially when Maxima get's involved too!!:rofl:

Tabby 11-11-2008 03:11 PM

I would like them to visit the U.S. -- more specifically, the Midwest (where I live!).

Pier Gerlofs Donia 11-11-2008 03:22 PM

I hope they'll visit the Netherlands!

Royal Fan 11-11-2008 03:54 PM

Shouthern USA were I Live!

Thomasine 11-18-2008 06:07 PM

They are most welcome to Norway! I would love to see them here.

muriel 11-19-2008 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheTruth (Post 849225)
As a selfish French resident, I'd like them to visit France :biggrin:.

You are quite lucky, you have already had your wish granted!

muriel 11-19-2008 04:14 AM

I suspect we might see them visit the Euopean monrchies a bit more now. I think Charles' 60th bitthday was probably Camilla's first event with a large quotient of European royalty, no doubt pulled off with aplomb.

greek101 11-19-2008 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 849155)
It would be interesting to hear which countries you think Charles and Camilla shoud visit over the next few years. I personally think the focus should be on Africa and the commonwealth countries for a number of reasons. Firstly, their visits would bring further attention to the region, help channel investment, highlight charitable causes and also, help secure Charles' place as successor to the Queen as the head of the Commonwealth. Some of the work that William and Harry are doing in the region can also complement Charles and Camilla.

I could not agree more. At the moment there is a question of whether or not Australia should become a republic or not, I personally would be devastated if it did as I am a monarchist so I think it maybe in the best interest of the commonwealth for the British royal family to pay a little more attention to the remaining commonwealth countries.

Marlil 11-20-2008 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by greek101 (Post 855406)
I could not agree more. At the moment there is a question of whether or not Australia should become a republic or not, I personally would be devastated if it did as I am a monarchist so I think it maybe in the best interest of the commonwealth for the British royal family to pay a little more attention to the remaining commonwealth countries.

Unfortunately, it isn't just a matter of them paying more attention to commonwealth nations.Before they can undertake a tour, they need an invitation from the host country. With the P.M. and leader of the opposition being avowed republicans I can't see one being issued.

muriel 11-20-2008 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Marlil (Post 856053)
Unfortunately, it isn't just a matter of them paying more attention to commonwealth nations.Before they can undertake a tour, they need an invitation from the host country. With the P.M. and leader of the opposition being avowed republicans I can't see one being issued.

Theoretically thats right. In practice, its not difficult for the PoW to get invited to wherever he wants to go. He then has to play his cards carefully and seek government support for the trip.

jcbcode99 11-20-2008 09:53 AM

Well, as I live in Virginia and was here when HM The Queen came last year I would love to see Charles and Camilla come to my great state as well! I'm sure that President Elect will issue a gracious invitation as did President Bush and hopefully we will see them entertained at least in Washington with full ceremony (that means tiaras and orders!!)
I do agree that Charles and Camilla should visit Australia, and Africa certainly. Brazil could be interesting, and Spain, of course. It's a beautiful country and I can't think offhand of a time Charles has been, although I'm sure he has.

BellaFay 11-20-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jcbcode99 (Post 856073)
Well, as I live in Virginia and was here when HM The Queen came last year I would love to see Charles and Camilla come to my great state as well! I'm sure that President Elect will issue a gracious invitation as did President Bush and hopefully we will see them entertained at least in Washington with full ceremony (that means tiaras and orders!!)
I do agree that Charles and Camilla should visit Australia, and Africa certainly. Brazil could be interesting, and Spain, of course. It's a beautiful country and I can't think offhand of a time Charles has been, although I'm sure he has.

Charles has been a couple of times to Spain but only briefly in the 1990s & a few years ago for Felipe & Letizia's wedding. The last time he made a major tour to Spain was way back in 1987 when he greatly enjoyed his visit & he particularly impressed those he met with his charm and kindness - I was told this by someone then at the British ambassadorial residence.

muriel 11-25-2008 09:39 AM

I do thin a degree of engagement with South America would be interesting as well, perhaps linked in with a stop over in the Carribbean, in a few years from now. I can't remember the last time a senior member of the royal family travelled there.

CasiraghiTrio 11-25-2008 02:57 PM

^Didn't Charles and Camilla visit some Caribbean places in 2007?

Iluvbertie 11-25-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CasiraghiTrio (Post 858527)
^Didn't Charles and Camilla visit some Caribbean places in 2007?

Yes and he was criticised for the expense involved as per usual.

Lumutqueen 03-03-2009 12:52 PM

I would love for them to do a tour of Australia, New Zealand and Tasmania with Princes William and Harry.
And possible to coincide a tour of Tasmania with the Danish Crown Couple.
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muriel 03-03-2009 01:51 PM

Jordan would be an interesting one, perhaps tied in with an tour of some Commomwealth states in the region.

Iluvbertie 03-04-2009 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lumutqueen (Post 902538)
I would love for them to do a tour of Australia, New Zealand and Tasmania with Princes William and Harry.
And possible to coincide a tour of Tasmania with the Danish Crown Couple.
x

I have many Tasmanian friends who, I am sure would like me to point out to you, that Tasmania is part of Australia. It is just a smaller island but very definitely part of the Commonwealth of Australia.

Jo of Palatine 03-04-2009 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 902820)
I have many Tasmanian friends who, I am sure would like me to point out to you, that Tasmania is part of Australia. It is just a smaller island but very definitely part of the Commonwealth of Australia.

I think the point of the separate mentioning of Tasmania in connection with the Danish Royals is the fact that HRH The Crown Princess of Denmark is born a Tasmanian - though the child of Scots (back then her parents still had a British passport).

Iluvbertie 03-04-2009 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine (Post 902835)
I think the point of the separate mentioning of Tasmania in connection with the Danish Royals is the fact that HRH The Crown Princess of Denmark is born a Tasmanian - though the child of Scots (back then her parents still had a British passport).


The first sentence refers to "Australia, New Zealand and Tasmania" in that order. That is clearly suggesting to me that the poster sees Tasmania as separate to Australia.

Had they said 'Australia and New Zealand' and then mentioned the wished for visit of the Crown Prince of Denmark to Tasmania at the same time as Charles and Camilla it would suggest that they are aware that Tasmania is part of Australia but by separating them in the first sentence it doesn't.

As for Charles and Camilla being here at the same time as Mary and Frederick - I don't think so. They would get no coverage as all the coverage would be on the 'Aussie' Crown Princess of Denmark, as happened when she and Frederick came here early in 2005 when Charles was also here in the weeks before his wedding to Camilla. I had to look very hard to find any coverage of Charles visit that year but Mary and Frederick were front page news everywhere.

The facts are the most Aussies simply don't care any more about Charles. He is just there but doesn't excite anyone anymore. I doubt if a visit by him and Charles would even rate much of a mention. Sure there would be some coverage but nothing like Mary and Frederick got in 2005.

Jo of Palatine 03-04-2009 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 902837)

As for Charles and Camilla being here at the same time as Mary and Frederick - I don't think so. They would get no coverage as all the coverage would be on the 'Aussie' Crown Princess of Denmark, as happened when she and Frederick came here early in 2005 when Charles was also here in the weeks before his wedding to Camilla. I had to look very hard to find any coverage of Charles visit that year but Mary and Frederick were front page news everywhere.

The facts are the most Aussies simply don't care any more about Charles. He is just there but doesn't excite anyone anymore. I doubt if a visit by him and Charles would even rate much of a mention. Sure there would be some coverage but nothing like Mary and Frederick got in 2005.

If the BRF still think they can save the Crown of Australia, they will send not Charles and Camilla but wait till there is a new Royal couple: William and wife. IMHO, of course.

muriel 03-04-2009 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine (Post 902841)
If the BRF still think they can save the Crown of Australia, they will send not Charles and Camilla but wait till there is a new Royal couple: William and wife. IMHO, of course.

My sense is that Australia is probably beyond "saving" now. That said, I think C&C should engage with the Australains regularly, irrespective of past reactions, and in time, I am sure Wills and his wife will follow.

Charlotte1 03-04-2009 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 902837)
As for Charles and Camilla being here at the same time as Mary and Frederick - I don't think so. They would get no coverage as all the coverage would be on the 'Aussie' Crown Princess of Denmark, as happened when she and Frederick came here early in 2005 when Charles was also here in the weeks before his wedding to Camilla. I had to look very hard to find any coverage of Charles visit that year but Mary and Frederick were front page news everywhere.

The facts are the most Aussies simply don't care any more about Charles. He is just there but doesn't excite anyone anymore. I doubt if a visit by him and Charles would even rate much of a mention. Sure there would be some coverage but nothing like Mary and Frederick got in 2005.

Actually that Charles got no coverage and Frederik and Mary were front page news everywhere is not correct. I monitored the coverage as I was curious, their visits coincided for one week. ( The Danes were in Australia for 2weeks on official engagements and one week holidaying) TV coverage they got equal amounts, not the major news story but later in the news bulletin. Charles usually was shown first and then the Danes. Women's magazines, the Danes got 2 page coverage and Charles got 1/2 to a page. Newspapers depended on where each royal was, front page was given if they were in that city, if not both got coverage further in the paper. By the second week of the Danes visit the coverage had petered off, some negative stuff appeared "are they still here?" Short attention spans!

Charles drew respectable crowds, 500 came out to see him at the Sydney Opera House on a weekday and the press coverage was all positive. Only one negative story right at the end over whether his planned marriage to Camilla would be legal, that was it. The Danes did draw large crowds, but an Australian girl becoming a princess,the hype after their wedding, it would have been surprising if they hadn't attracted large crowds. But then the official appearances since ( last year) not many people around. ( To be fair, not a whole lot of advance publicity was given either)

Whether or not most Aussies care about Charles, media outlets still report on royals. British royals still make the Australian news for major occasions, the younger royals are still fodder for the women's magazines, Kate Middleton was a regular covergirl for them last year. Lots of photoshopped pictures of her and William together, ( basically if the real ones aren't available we'll fake them!)

rominet09 03-04-2009 11:47 AM

Belgium and Liège especially !

muriel 12-04-2009 07:35 AM

I think C&C have had a reasonably successful trip to Canada. I would like to see them increase their engaement with Canada, and to visit regularly - a combination of work and holiday trips, and gradually increase their visibility and recognition in Canada. I would also like to see William (and his wife, at the appropriate time) start to show some attention to Canada.

Lumutqueen 12-06-2009 04:28 PM

I wish they would come to yorkshire, and also visit Denmark. :smile:

lexo 12-06-2009 06:11 PM

i would like to see them visit north wales and somewere like croatia or maybe south africa

Royal Fan 12-06-2009 08:06 PM

Wales Ireland Spain Russia USA Canada and the rest of the Commenwealth.

scooter 12-06-2009 08:36 PM

Well Royalfan, that could be a double edged sword. Given the recent very lackluster reception afforded Charles and Camilla in Canada, I am not sure inflicting them on the other members of the Commonwealth immediately is a good idea. It might well backfire.

RoyalistRiley 12-06-2009 09:42 PM

Australia, of course, and maybe some of the Pacific Commonwealth countries. I hope they come within a few years. If C&C do come, it needs to be across the entire country, not a Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne visit that the Queen did last time she was here. Any visit will probably be overshadowed by press coverage saying 'Is this the man we want as Head of State?'

Royal Fan 12-06-2009 10:45 PM

also Brunei ,Japan and Denmark.

Princejohnny25 12-06-2009 11:41 PM

Denmark is definitely on my list, though I think I would prefer a state visit, with Denmark visiting the UK. The DRF and BRF together in all their splendor and glory. It would make me drool.
New Zealand is my list of course.

Also, Thailand and Cambodia would be absolutely marvelous!

muriel 12-07-2009 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by scooter (Post 1027896)
Well Royalfan, that could be a double edged sword. Given the recent very lackluster reception afforded Charles and Camilla in Canada, I am not sure inflicting them on the other members of the Commonwealth immediately is a good idea. It might well backfire.

Would you like to further expand on your point?

scooter 12-07-2009 10:35 AM

Since you ask: If they receive the same lack of enthusiasm in the other Commonwealth countries when visiting, I doubt that would be helpful in retaining those countries in the Commonwealth if and when Charles inherits. Perhaps out of sight would be more likely to keep the status quo. I dont see this as being a problem while QEII is still alive, but Charles and Camilla are a different subject. Even the Queen's other children always recieved a very enthusiastic welcome in Canada, which was distinctly not the case on the C and C tour just finished. When you consider that he is the Heir, that is a matter of concern, IMO.

Vicki J 12-07-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Royal Fan (Post 1027890)
Wales Ireland Spain Russia USA Canada and the rest of the Commenwealth.

You are a true fan Royal Fan. I reckon more visits to the Commonwealth countries and Europe. They've done the USA and Canada, perhaps they will get an invite to Crown Princess Victoria's wedding, that would be really nice. :flowers:

Princejohnny25 12-07-2009 12:50 PM

I've been pondering if they will attend the wedding. Now that Charles has a wife, it removes the awkwardness of bringing that plus one. I would love to see them at the wedding actually, Victoria is an equal of Charles. Both heirs to the thrones.

Patra 12-07-2009 02:20 PM

Well, for selfish reasons, I'd love to see Prince Charles, and DoC visit the United States, for a state dinner at the White House with Barac and Michelle Obama, that would be fantastic. One can dream, right?

Sereta 12-07-2009 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter (Post 1027896)
Well Royalfan, that could be a double edged sword. Given the recent very lackluster reception afforded Charles and Camilla in Canada, I am not sure inflicting them on the other members of the Commonwealth immediately is a good idea. It might well backfire.

I thought they were very well received in Canada. :ermm:

Marengo 12-07-2009 07:47 PM

I hope that they will attend the wedding of CPss Victoria of Sweden. It will be the first time we will see pictures of the Duchess of Cornwall at a royal gathering.

muriel 12-08-2009 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 1028228)
I hope that they will attend the wedding of CPss Victoria of Sweden. It will be the first time we will see pictures of the Duchess of Cornwall at a royal gathering.

Lets not forget the gathering of European royals at BP for Prince Charles' 60th birthday. That said, it would be lovely to see C&C at a major European royal wedding.

muriel 12-08-2009 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by scooter (Post 1028038)
Since you ask: If they receive the same lack of enthusiasm in the other Commonwealth countries when visiting, I doubt that would be helpful in retaining those countries in the Commonwealth if and when Charles inherits. Perhaps out of sight would be more likely to keep the status quo. I dont see this as being a problem while QEII is still alive, but Charles and Camilla are a different subject. Even the Queen's other children always recieved a very enthusiastic welcome in Canada, which was distinctly not the case on the C and C tour just finished. When you consider that he is the Heir, that is a matter of concern, IMO.

I think the issues are slightly more complex than that. Canada has been displaying a marked indifference to the monarchy for some time, and it is important that if the BRF want to hold on to Canada, they start to engage more actively. The Queen's other children are really not relevant here.

As regards the Commonwealth, ensuring Charles' succession as the head will be an important step. So far, he has tended to stay away from Commonwealth issues (other than attending the 2007 CHOGM in Kampala), but has slowly been increasing his visits to the Commonwealth. This is an important step in Charles' increased involvement in Commonwealth affairs. If Charles succeeds his mother as the head of the Commonwealth, it will be a consensual decision. It is not a decision that is likely to countries leaving the commonwealth, IMO.

muriel 12-08-2009 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Patra (Post 1028133)
Well, for selfish reasons, I'd love to see Prince Charles, and DoC visit the United States, for a state dinner at the White House with Barac and Michelle Obama, that would be fantastic. One can dream, right?

I am afraid it can only be a state dinner with tiaras etc if C&C visit at King and consort.

Princejohnny25 12-08-2009 10:07 AM

Yea it would be muriel. Thats why I would love for the Obama's to make a state visit to the UK, especially at Windsor Castle. What are the chances of this since the last visit was in 2002 by George Bush. Is 7+ years enough of a gap to warrant a state visit?

muriel 12-08-2009 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Princejohnny25 (Post 1028366)
Yea it would be muriel. Thats why I would love for the Obama's to make a state visit to the UK, especially at Windsor Castle. What are the chances of this since the last visit was in 2002 by George Bush. Is 7+ years enough of a gap to warrant a state visit?

Thats certainly a possibility, but it will have to wait till we have a new government in place in Downing St.

rmay286 12-09-2009 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cd255 (Post 1028213)
I thought they were very well received in Canada. :ermm:

I've seen that statement on these forums a few times, too...that Charles and Camilla's visit was a great success. I don't know what the measure of success is for these visits and I don't have many memories of coverage of past royal visits to Canada, but I do remember that Charles, William and Harry visited Canada in 1998 and I thought that visit attracted more attention than this visit. Of course, that was when William was seventeen and very attractive to a lot of girls! ;)

I know that not everyone is a supporter of Charles and Camilla to the same extent, and I know that my own feelings about them might colour my perceptions about them, but I'm trying to be very objective here--I don't think Charles and Camilla's visit went badly except for the protests in Quebec, but I don't think it was a resounding success, either. I don't think many or most Canadians cared either way, and it's not just to do with diminished support for a British head of state, although that's part of it: but people are not hugely enthusiastic about Charles. More Canadians support the Queen than they do Charles. I don't think the visit made most Canadians more interested in or more supportive of the monarchy, so if that's the basis for a successful royal visit, I don't think Charles and Camilla's visit was one. On the other hand, I don't think the visit worsened anyone's perceptions of the monarchy either, so if that qualifies as success, then I'd say the visit did succeed. :smile:

muriel 12-09-2009 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rmay286 (Post 1028617)
I've seen that statement on these forums a few times, too...that Charles and Camilla's visit was a great success. I don't know what the measure of success is for these visits and I don't have many memories of coverage of past royal visits to Canada, but I do remember that Charles, William and Harry visited Canada in 1998 and I thought that visit attracted more attention than this visit. Of course, that was when William was seventeen and very attractive to a lot of girls! ;)

I know that not everyone is a supporter of Charles and Camilla to the same extent, and I know that my own feelings about them might colour my perceptions about them, but I'm trying to be very objective here--I don't think Charles and Camilla's visit went badly except for the protests in Quebec, but I don't think it was a resounding success, either. I don't think many or most Canadians cared either way, and it's not just to do with diminished support for a British head of state, although that's part of it: but people are not hugely enthusiastic about Charles. More Canadians support the Queen than they do Charles. I don't think the visit made most Canadians more interested in or more supportive of the monarchy, so if that's the basis for a successful royal visit, I don't think Charles and Camilla's visit was one. On the other hand, I don't think the visit worsened anyone's perceptions of the monarchy either, so if that qualifies as success, then I'd say the visit did succeed. :smile:

I dont think I could disagree with any of your comments. The reality is that Canadians are pretty disaffected wrt the BRF. Whilst HM is held is high esteem, it is going to take a continued process of engaging with the Canadians by C&C, and to some extent, William and his wife, to see a positive response. I suspect this was just the start of that process.

scooter 12-09-2009 12:02 PM

Royalty in the News » Blog Archive » Protests and Low Turnouts as Charles & Camilla End Canadian Tour

Royalty in the News » Blog Archive » Charles & Camilla Begin Canadian Visit

Royalty in the News » Blog Archive » Charles & Camilla’s Memorable Events in Newfoundland

CBC News - Montreal - Protesters stall royals in Montreal

DiManno: Royals test our taste for monarchy - thestar.com

https://www.express.co.uk/post/view13...adians-at-home

https://www.thestar.com/comment/article/720036

Royal couple fail to dazzle like Diana - thestar.com

The royal heir farce | Mike Strobel | Columnists | News | Toronto Sun

Looks like there are plenty of people who have the same lack of enthusiasm for Charles and Camilla in Canada. I stand by my earlier post that we will see a rapid spinoff of the Commonwealth should Charles outlive his mother. Each of those articles is much more enthusiastic about any other royal coming to visit, especially William or Harry.

Vicki J 12-09-2009 12:33 PM

:previous: I'm sorry but most of the links(?) you have provided are just blogs or columnists, not news articles, i.e. they are one persons view. The Express is well known as the Di Express in the UK and isnt likely to have a pro Prince Charles article from what I've heard about it in the news. it's not a paper I have ever been tempted to buy and the link won't open for some reason. I think one of the Canadian posters has already said The Star is a pro republican paper and 3 of the links are from The Star.

It is a sad fact of life that people prefer the young and I wonder if the Canadians would be enthusiastic about a 48 year old Diana either.:flowers:

scooter 12-09-2009 12:53 PM

All articles written by any columnists no matter the paper are one person's view.:flowers: When there are so many of the same view, it starts to add up, IMO.:flowers:

muriel 12-09-2009 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicki J (Post 1028789)
It is a sad fact of life that people prefer the young and I wonder if the Canadians would be enthusiastic about a 48 year old Diana either.:flowers:

Quite right. I think it was a combination of a couple in their 60s, the November weather and some of the issues I have mentioned earlier. IMO This trip by C&C is the first step of a larger process of re-engagement between the BRF and Canada.

muriel 12-09-2009 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter (Post 1028794)
All articles written by any columnists no matter the paper are one person's view.:flowers:

Sure, though IMO newspapers only tend to publish work with columnists whose views are congruent with the editorial view of the said publuication.

AuroraB 12-09-2009 02:32 PM

:previous:

Try the Charles and Camilla visit to Canada thread . Any number of articles were published - from local to national. :flowers:
Quebec is an entity unto itself, so dislike of any member of the BRF is to be expected. :biggrin:

rmay286 12-09-2009 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AuroraB (Post 1028857)
:previous:

Try the Charles and Camilla visit to Canada thread . Any number of articles were published - from local to national. :flowers:
Quebec is an entity unto itself, so dislike of any member of the BRF is to be expected. :biggrin:

I live a few miles away from Quebec, and I still sometimes think it could be another continent. I wouldn't take opinions from Quebec as too representative of the rest of Canada. ;)

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 1028815)
Quite right. I think it was a combination of a couple in their 60s, the November weather and some of the issues I have mentioned earlier. IMO This trip by C&C is the first step of a larger process of re-engagement between the BRF and Canada.

That's true, those are all reasons for why the visit wasn't resoundingly successful. I do agree with Scooter that most Canadians would rather see someone other than C & C visit. I'm really happy to hear that the Queen and Prince Philip are coming to Canada next summer, and I think a lot of people will be more enthused about that visit.

That said, I just can't see Canada getting rid of the monarchy any time soon. First, to get rid of the monarchy would require a constitutional change, which doesn't happen easily in Canada. Second, the Conservative party has been in power for almost four years and with the current political alignment, it looks like it might be in power for a few more. And the Conservative party is openly pro-monarchist, as are a lot of its supporters. Most importantly though, during the American War of Independence, many United Empire Loyalists settled in Canada. So some of our oldest families have a history of being loyal to the Crown. I saw that point mentioned elsewhere on the Internet as an explanation for why Canadians tend to be less strongly republican than Americans, and I thought it was interesting and it made some sense.

scooter 12-09-2009 04:52 PM

Perhaps it's just my memory, but I seem to recall all of the previous visits of QEII's children as being very enthusiastically received, both long ago and much more recently. Is my memory failing me? Even Edward, who could not be discribed as charismatic by any stretch, got a warm welcome the last time. It is, of course, problematic that it is the Heir and his wife who have such high unfavorable ratings in Canada. One artice put it as 50% unfavorable for Charles....George W Bush territory.

Iluvbertie 12-09-2009 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter (Post 1028926)
Perhaps it's just my memory, but I seem to recall all of the previous visits of QEII's children as being very enthusiastically received, both long ago and much more recently. Is my memory failing me? Even Edward, who could not be discribed as charismatic by any stretch, got a warm welcome the last time. It is, of course, problematic that it is the Heir and his wife who have such high unfavorable ratings in Canada. One artice put it as 50% unfavorable for Charles....George W Bush territory.



One problem I have with many of your posts is your own clearly anti-Charles perspective which to me, as an historian, also says that you are more actively going to look for anti-Charles stories.

There were many stories showing support.

Here is Australia support for Charles would be low but then support for a republic is quite high and I doubt if he will ever be King here as I do think we will become a republic within the present reign, simply because to wait for some inderterminate date in the future isn't healthy for a country trying to make its way in a region with a foreign Head of State.

Canada is different and the royals do make far more visits there than here, partly because they know that it is much harder for Canada to become a republic than Australia.

William will get a good reception here next month but he is young and Diana's son (and many people forget that he is 2nd in line to the throne through his father not his mother - being Diana's son isn't why he is important - being Charles' son is) and thus they will turn out to see him.

From the reports that I read Charles and Camilla attracted the sort of crowds I would expect at that time of the year, their age and the fact that many Canadians have other things going on in their lives that a visit from a foreign royal isn't the entertainment of choice - to stand outside for hours to get a passing glimpse of a royal isn't my idea of a fun way to spend the day.

Although I have become a republican as far as Australia is concerned I do support Charles and Camilla as a royal couple who do a wonderful job in Britain.

As for the rest of the countries of which the Queen is monarch many have or will move away from that situation, not because of lack of feelings for the individual concerned but more because they feel that to be a truly independent country you have to have your own Head of State.

Princejohnny25 12-09-2009 06:12 PM

The visit to Canada was never going to attract the crowds that Diana or a younger generation would receive. But I wouldn't say it was lackluster either. I'm currently back in the states and live on the border, CBC always had coverage of the visit on their newscast. I even remember one of the blogs done by a lass called Rosie toned down her anti-CC tone by the end of the visit.

But I think it was on Remembrance Day that the visit proved to be entirely relevant. It was the Canadian Government together in one place, honoring the past and present. The GG, the heir, the PM, the military, and the people. And when one of the readers mentioned that Charles grandfather, King George VI was here to dedicate the original monument. I realized the continuity of the monarchy and how it is living history. I really saw Charles the King that day, and I dont think the monarchy will be in any trouble when he does become King. Im sure of that now.

The Monarchy has much deeper roots in Canada than any other Realm. So it will be a long while before Canada becomes a republic. Australia however just doenst have that conection to the monarchy, but it would be tricky to find another instituion that would as smoothly as the current one does. However, I think Australia will be the testing ground. As soon as the find something that works for them, Im sure that the other realms will follow. Its only natural. Until then, CC should be involved in the Commonwealth as much as possible. Because, currently, He will be King, and will most likely become Head of the Commonwealth as well.

scooter 12-09-2009 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 1028952)
One problem I have with many of your posts is your own clearly anti-Charles perspective which to me, as an historian, also says that you are more actively going to look for anti-Charles stories.

There were many stories showing support.

Here is Australia support for Charles would be low but then support for a republic is quite high and I doubt if he will ever be King here as I do think we will become a republic within the present reign, simply because to wait for some inderterminate date in the future isn't healthy for a country trying to make its way in a region with a foreign Head of State.

Canada is different and the royals do make far more visits there than here, partly because they know that it is much harder for Canada to become a republic than Australia.

William will get a good reception here next month but he is young and Diana's son (and many people forget that he is 2nd in line to the throne through his father not his mother - being Diana's son isn't why he is important - being Charles' son is) and thus they will turn out to see him.

From the reports that I read Charles and Camilla attracted the sort of crowds I would expect at that time of the year, their age and the fact that many Canadians have other things going on in their lives that a visit from a foreign royal isn't the entertainment of choice - to stand outside for hours to get a passing glimpse of a royal isn't my idea of a fun way to spend the day.

Although I have become a republican as far as Australia is concerned I do support Charles and Camilla as a royal couple who do a wonderful job in Britain.

As for the rest of the countries of which the Queen is monarch many have or will move away from that situation, not because of lack of feelings for the individual concerned but more because they feel that to be a truly independent country you have to have your own Head of State.

I am sorry that you do not care for my posts or my opinions. However, I did back up my point with many articles. All of them talked about the lack of crowds. Also, my comparison was to siblings of Charles' tours, not William. How do you account for the fact that Edward and Sophie were warmly welcomed and Charles and Camilla were not?

Perhaps, as you are sure there were many pro charles stories showing support of the tour and no doubt multitudes cheering them, you would post them for us. I look forward to reading them.

Iluvbertie 12-10-2009 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by scooter (Post 1029029)
I am sorry that you do not care for my posts or my opinions. However, I did back up my point with many articles. All of them talked about the lack of crowds. Also, my comparison was to siblings of Charles' tours, not William. How do you account for the fact that Edward and Sophie were warmly welcomed and Charles and Camilla were not?

Perhaps, as you are sure there were many pro charles stories showing support of the tour and no doubt multitudes cheering them, you would post them for us. I look forward to reading them.


I didn't say that I didn't care for your posts or opinions. Only that I see you as a rabid anti-Charles who always finds negative things to say about him. As soon as I see your name in a post about Charles I know it will be negative because that is your attitude to him.

There is an entire thread on this board devoted to the tour with positive posts and links so I don't see a need to link you to that thread as I know that you are capable of reading them for yourself.

scooter 12-10-2009 10:29 AM

I dont know that I'm rabidly anti charles. I do however judge him based upon his actions. Apparantly I am not the only one who feels that way, given how little inclination people had to come out an see him. I shall go read through the other thread and see if there are any article which refute the ones I posted.

muriel 12-10-2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by scooter (Post 1029230)
I dont know that I'm rabidly anti charles. I do however judge him based upon his actions.

What actions of Charles' might you be referring to? Providing thought leadership in the fields of architectural and environmental preservation, or the success he has had as a charitable entrepreneur?

scooter 12-10-2009 05:33 PM

Do you really want me to list them? Seriously? I'm happy to do so, but that conversation has a way of getting the Moderator involved.

Mermaid1962 12-10-2009 06:32 PM

As a Canadian, I think that Remembrance Day is really our major, patriotic day, not Canada Day. Canada's national identity was really forged during WWI (Vimy Ridge), and so our pride as a nation is very much connected with our remembrance of wars and the terrible cost of them. Therefore, a member of the Royal Family who appears at the monument in Ottawa is very much appreciated for being there at our most "sacred" national time.

I very much see the monarchy as part of living and past history, which is how I see Prince Charles. I see him as one in a continuing line of monarchs and not necessarily as an individual. My personal opinion about how Prince Charles has conducted his life has nothing to do with my support for the institution of monarchy.


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Connie Cutmantle 12-10-2009 10:18 PM

I would love to see Charles and Camilla do the Balkans! Especially Montenegro! I am still pinching myself that this beautiful little country has finally thrown of the yoke of Serbian dominance and hope that Montenegro will continue to flourish! I guess its Romantic history just adds to its appeal in my eyes! I also think that it may be a good idea for the Prince to take the Duchess to China in a bid to make up for his private comments about 'waxworks' that were leaked some years ago!

As China is on the verge of becoming 'the' economic monolith, it may not be a bad PR exercise for Charles and Camilla to visit sooner rather than later! I am sure the Prince would love to do some water colour painting there too as it is a stunningly beautiful country too!

I also think Charles and Camilla should go to Bhutan too as well as all the Commonwealth realms at some stage in the future! I personally think that now is the right time for Camilla to be introduced to her husband's future overseas subjects properly and it is only natural now that QEII and Prince Philip are scaling back their overseas tours for Charles and Camilla to increase theirs.

It is interesting to note that Charles and Camilla went to Canada this year when the Queen is going there next year. Maybe C'n'C will do this more often as a way of paving/testing the waters as republican sentiments ebb and flow! After all few of us care to contemplate seeing the Queen facing eggs again do we!

I have always thought it a shame that the RF do not replicate the Earl of Wessex's seemingly strong links to Canada in other areas of the Commonwealth. I note that he seems to visit Canada quite regularly compared to other members of the RF. I know the Gloucesters have visited Tonga twice in the last decade as representatives but am unsure if they have visited Tuvalu or the Soloman Islands or other Pacific Commonwealth realms, republics etc at the same time. I muse that identifying certain Royals with particular spheres may not be entirely positive on a regular basis, but I do think annual yearly visits would do much to improve and strengthen ties! I mean, when was the last time a member of the RF visited Tuvalu, Papua New Guinea or Belize and how long before that last visit had those nations had to wait for another visit? I mean, the Queen is not as territorial and as jealous of her position and image as say, her great great grandmama was is she?

I read somewhere that Camilla hates flying...I wander if this is true?

Iluvbertie 12-10-2009 11:58 PM

You do realise that they have to be invited to visit these countries and can't jiust decide to turn up.

Charles went to school in Australia and has always spoken fondly about this country but that doesn't mean he can come here whenever he wants to. He was here in 2005 just before marrying Camilla and said then that he would bring her next time but next time could be years away as the government doesn't really want to encourage the royals being here.

Even though the Queen is Queen of Australia she still has to be invited by the government to come here.

Al_bina 12-11-2009 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Connie Cutmantle (Post 1029536)
...[snipped] As China is on the verge of becoming 'the' economic monolith, it may not be a bad PR exercise for Charles and Camilla to visit sooner rather than later! I am sure the Prince would love to do some water colour painting there too as it is a stunningly beautiful country too! ... [snipped]

Given Prince Charles' bad attitude toward the Chinese government and his fondness for Dalai Lama's spiritual advice, I do not think that he will be invited to visit China. The Chinese tend to be pragmatic and can squeeze some much-needed funds from the Prince's Trust. However, the Chinese government openly discourages governments and other prominent people from meeting Dalai Lama.

Connie Cutmantle 12-11-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 1029558)
You do realise that they have to be invited to visit these countries and can't jiust decide to turn up.

Charles went to school in Australia and has always spoken fondly about this country but that doesn't mean he can come here whenever he wants to. He was here in 2005 just before marrying Camilla and said then that he would bring her next time but next time could be years away as the government doesn't really want to encourage the royals being here.

Even though the Queen is Queen of Australia she still has to be invited by the government to come here.

I thought the general train of thought on this topic was which countries we would 'like' to see C'nC visit rather than which countries we would like to see C'n'C 'invited' to visit!?!

love_cc 12-11-2009 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Al_bina (Post 1029560)
Given Prince Charles' bad attitude toward the Chinese government and his fondness for Dalai Lama's spiritual advice, I do not think that he will be invited to visit China. The Chinese tend to be pragmatic and can squeeze some fund from Prince's Trust. However, the Chinese government openly discourages governments and other prominent people from meeting Dalai Lama.

I would like Prince Charles and Camilla to visit China in the near future. In Regarding about Dalai Lama issue, my best sugguestion to brush away the issue and the difference. Both sides could focus on the common topics, such as climate change and environment protection,cultural heritage perservations, youth development, corporate social responsibilties.

Since Prince of Wales' Foundation has establisehd its branch in Beijing, I think it will be great for Prince Charles to strength the relationsips.

I wish Prince Charles and Camilla to visit some european countries and other commonwealth countries as well. Not next year for Australia because of the election.

muriel 12-11-2009 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by scooter (Post 1029459)
Do you really want me to list them? Seriously? I'm happy to do so, but that conversation has a way of getting the Moderator involved.

Whilst it may not be a suitable conversation for this thread, I am surprised why you feel your point of view might get a Moderator involved? I am not trying to be inflammatory, but could it perhaps be the "rabid anti-Charles" views that another poster referred to on the last page?

muriel 12-11-2009 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Connie Cutmantle (Post 1029563)
I thought the general train of thought on this topic was which countries we would like to see C'nC visit rather than which countries we would like to see C'n'C invited to visit!?!

I am glad you clarified, Connie!

Al_bina 12-11-2009 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by love_cc (Post 1029608)
I would like Prince Charles and Camilla to visit China in the near future. In Regarding about Dalai Lama issue, my best sugguestion to brush away the issue and the difference. Both sides could focus on the common topics, such as climate change and environment protection,cultural heritage perservations, youth development, corporate social responsibilties.

Since Prince of Wales' Foundation has establisehd its branch in Beijing, I think it will be great for Prince Charles to strength the relationsips. ... [snipped]

China has adopted a tough stance on Dalai Lama's political activism especially after tensions surrounding the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing.
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...the mainland Chinese government has accused the Dalai Lama of trying to separate Tibet from China, Beijing reacts angrily to any country or territory hosting the him.
The above can be applied to any dignitary meeting Dalai Lama. Nowadays China possesses enough economical and political might to enforce its will. I would like to see Prince Charles and the Clarence House propitiating the Chinese government. Of course, the Prince's Trust should be used for what it is good for.

Reference: Communist Chinese Denounce Dalai Lama Visit to Taiwan

scooter 12-11-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 1029638)
Whilst it may not be a suitable conversation for this thread, I am surprised why you feel your point of view might get a Moderator involved? I am not trying to be inflammatory, but could it perhaps be the "rabid anti-Charles" views that another poster referred to on the last page?

No that's not what I meant at all. If I were to start listing all of his actions over the last 30 years that caused me to not have any respect for Charles, historically on TRF, it would quickly get a 'We're not going to go back over all of that' from a moderator. Let's just ask Warren or Zonk or whomever is moderating today.... As I have been asked a direct question, am I allowed to answer it? Because I am more than happy to clarify for you Muriel.:flowers:

I'm just not looking to PO a moderator unneccessarily...it being Christmas and all! ;-P

jen121419 12-11-2009 09:00 PM

It's only been a few years, but I'd love to see them back in the States!

Iluvbertie 12-13-2009 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Connie Cutmantle (Post 1029563)
I thought the general train of thought on this topic was which countries we would 'like' to see C'nC visit rather than which countries we would like to see C'n'C 'invited' to visit!?!


True but many posts were starting to seem to me to assume that they could just turn up - particularly those referring to why they should be going to Commonwealth countries and ones where the Queen is the Head of State. Posters arguing that visiting those countries would strenthen the position of the monarchy there for instance ignore the fact that the people in those countries may not want them to visit as they grapple with their own movement away from the royals.

As for where I would like them to visit - stay in Britain and shore up support for the monarchy in their own backyard rather than butting into other countries and their affairs.

Connie Cutmantle 12-13-2009 01:43 AM

Bertie...I totally see/hear your point! I sometimes get the sensation by living in the 'colonies' so to speak, that the 'British' Monarchy is on the verge and should focus on the home front for the very survival of the institution! Cynicism has lead to Apathy which is leading to alarmingly dangerous ground indeed!!!!!

To remain on topic....I do think that C'n'C should be sent off at every opportunity/invite as when, to at least try and counter the present, pervasive rot!!!!!!

Iluvbertie 12-13-2009 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Connie Cutmantle (Post 1030276)
Bertie...I totally see/hear your point! I sometimes get the sensation by living in the 'colonies' so to speak, that the 'British' Monarchy is on the verge and should focus on the home front for the very survival of the institution! Cynicism has lead to Apathy which is leading to alarmingly dangerous ground indeed!!!!!

To remain on topic....I do think that C'n'C should be sent off at every opportunity/invite as when, to at least try and counter the present, pervasive rot!!!!!!


I think that the royals are sent as often as invited but they aren't invited all that often because the government's don't want the expense, don't see the need for them or don't want to upset their electorates or...

In other words - our governments' aren't inviting them so they can't come but when an invitation is sent a royal comes.

muriel 12-14-2009 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 1030278)
I think that the royals are sent as often as invited but they aren't invited all that often because the government's don't want the expense, don't see the need for them or don't want to upset their electorates or...

In other words - our governments' aren't inviting them so they can't come but when an invitation is sent a royal comes.

I think your statement presupposes a knowledge of comminucations between the Foreign Office in London, the counterparts in a number of countries around the world and BP/CH which I don't think exists in the public domain. If you are privy to inter-government communications, I am sure the statement is perfectly justifiable, otherwise I am inclined to believe that that is purely your assumption.

I am sure you are aware that typically the PoW and the DoC carry out 2 major overseas trips in a year. Thats the pattern that has been established for some time now - something incongruent with your suggestion that "when an invitation is sent a royal comes"

Iluvbertie 12-14-2009 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by muriel (Post 1030658)
I think your statement presupposes a knowledge of comminucations between the Foreign Office in London, the counterparts in a number of countries around the world and BP/CH which I don't think exists in the public domain. If you are privy to inter-government communications, I am sure the statement is perfectly justifiable, otherwise I am inclined to believe that that is purely your assumption.

I am sure you are aware that typically the PoW and the DoC carry out 2 major overseas trips in a year. Thats the pattern that has been established for some time now - something incongruent with your suggestion that "when an invitation is sent a royal comes"


The invitation, such as the one that Anne accepted for the bushfire memorial service earlier this year, is mostly for 'a royal' or can be for a specific royal. I am sure that you are fully aware that these things rarely happen with only a moments notice, unlike Anne's visit but with years of planning. Charles and The Queen both do two major tours a year but there are many other royals who can be invited with little notice given.

Royals can request an invitation as well to allow them to be in a foreign country for a particular event, e.g. 2005 Charles wanted to come to Australia for a reunion at Geelong Grammar which he had attended and so was able to link that to a tour but the government still had to issue an invitation.

Actually my mother worked for the British High Commission in Canberra so I do know how the communication on these issues is handled. Part of her job, at one stage, was to liase between the Australia Department of Foreign Affairs and the British Foreign Office with regard to the invitations and to whom they would be sent and for what purpose going in both directions.

Officially no royal can visit without an invitation but there are times when the suggestiong for the visit can come from Britain and often the invitation is for a royal rather than for a specific royal. Some are long term planning e.g. two or three years in advance and others at much shorter notice.


I don't know what you and your people are taught about inter-government workings in your education system but as part of our civics course the responsiblities of the different arms of government are taught and this matter regularly is taught - how the Head of State gets invited and the fact that governments send invitations to foreign leaders (not just the royals but all foreign leaders e.g. Obama can't just decide to go somewhere at the moment - he has to be invited by the government of the country he wishes to visit and have the approval of his own government) and that our leaders also have to be invited but that they can suggest that it would be nice to make a visit and therefore get the invitation. This isn't something hidden from the people but rather something that we teach here - I am surprised that you seem to think that this sort of communication, in general, isn't something about which ordinary people would have knowledge.

muriel 12-14-2009 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 1030686)
The invitation, such as the one that Anne accepted for the bushfire memorial service earlier this year, is mostly for 'a royal' or can be for a specific royal. I am sure that you are fully aware that these things rarely happen with only a moments notice, unlike Anne's visit but with years of planning. Charles and The Queen both do two major tours a year but there are many other royals who can be invited with little notice given.

Royals can request an invitation as well to allow them to be in a foreign country for a particular event, e.g. 2005 Charles wanted to come to Australia for a reunion at Geelong Grammar which he had attended and so was able to link that to a tour but the government still had to issue an invitation.

Actually my mother worked for the British High Commission in Canberra so I do know how the communication on these issues is handled. Part of her job, at one stage, was to liase between the Australia Department of Foreign Affairs and the British Foreign Office with regard to the invitations and to whom they would be sent and for what purpose going in both directions.

Officially no royal can visit without an invitation but there are times when the suggestiong for the visit can come from Britain and often the invitation is for a royal rather than for a specific royal. Some are long term planning e.g. two or three years in advance and others at much shorter notice.


I don't know what you and your people are taught about inter-government workings in your education system but as part of our civics course the responsiblities of the different arms of government are taught and this matter regularly is taught - how the Head of State gets invited and the fact that governments send invitations to foreign leaders (not just the royals but all foreign leaders e.g. Obama can't just decide to go somewhere at the moment - he has to be invited by the government of the country he wishes to visit and have the approval of his own government) and that our leaders also have to be invited but that they can suggest that it would be nice to make a visit and therefore get the invitation. This isn't something hidden from the people but rather something that we teach here - I am surprised that you seem to think that this sort of communication, in general, isn't something about which ordinary people would have knowledge.

It is well understood that royals or government representatives for that matter, only visit another state when invited.

Hoever, IMO, little of what you have said is either new, or contains information that would suggest you might have an information to back up your previous contention that "when an invitation is sent a royal comes", or "the royals are sent as often as invited" or "but they aren't invited all that often" - all of which seem to suggest that the royal family either does not have enough invitations to visit countries around the world, or go running to visit a country the moment any invitation may materialise.

Ducii 02-15-2010 04:36 AM

OMG he is going to visit Czech republic!! I'm so happy...

muriel 09-23-2010 06:37 AM

It would be interesting to have C&C visit Singapore, Malaysia, Thaniland and possibly NZ sometime soon

yvr girl 09-24-2010 12:59 AM

Not all Royal visits are at the Government's invite
 
There are official tours, where the royal is invited by the government, but sometimes the are 'private' visits. Often a royal (not the Queen or Prince Charles usually) will visit one of their charities or regiments.

Prince Edward travels a lot because of the Duke of Edinburgh Awards. In the last year and a half Canada has been visited at least twice by The Princess Royal, twice by The Earl of Wessex (once with Sophie), once by The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall, once by the Queen and Prince Philip and I believe once by The Duke of York. Princess Alexandra was supposed to visit, but it was canceled because of the swine flu. The only official visits were by the top four.


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