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Melibea 04-20-2010 03:05 PM

It's not a garter, they are patterned tights, they are trendy right now and many young women buy them. I don't think that the infamous tights are so important, she was clubbing!

Although like many of you I think that princesses should always look impeccable the reality is that even royals have poor taste in fashion.

Zonk 04-20-2010 03:10 PM

Well they look like garters and thats the problem for people my age (40's) and a lot o Daily Mail readers who don't take the to read the article...and just look at hte pictures. Its all a preception issue and the perception (rightly or wrongly) is that the York girls just party and leave a lot to be desired.

That doesn't change my main point....fly under the radar. I am not bashing them...anyone who has been on this board for a while now, knows that I defend the Yorks....I am just asking for a little common sense.

Sister Morphine 04-20-2010 03:11 PM

Well, you're both right on the tights issue -- she's not wearing actual garters, but the tights have a garters-pattern on them. I think they're cute, but wouldn't wear them myself as I don't have the figure to wear something like that. I tend to stick to clothes that fit me. LOL

Melibea 04-20-2010 03:18 PM

Zonk I wasn't attacking you! I only wanted to inform you that she was not wearing garters; I love that kind of hoisery, well the ones that look like garters no, but patterned tights are very trendy at the moment and many celebrities are wearing them. And the garters are also trendy right now, so I think that we should pray that Eugenie doesn't get hold of one pair :lol:

But I think the same as many of you a princess should try to be always impeccable. I've seen today a picture in Vanity Fair of P. Margaret in Dior and that dress was soo beautiful :wub:

Zonk 04-20-2010 03:22 PM

Melibea...we are fine...I didn't take it as a personal attack.

My point was that...too me they looked like garters and I didn't read the article...just looked at the pictures and read the comments.

We are fine :)

Melibea 04-20-2010 03:24 PM

Gracias a dios! I didn't want the super moderator against me! :innocent:

Mermaid1962 04-20-2010 03:27 PM

I don't like the garter tights. I know that she's only 20 and was out with her friends, but tights like that aren't the message a princess should be sending out. There are other trendy things a girl can wear that aren't so...ummm...fetish-like. :ermm:

Iluvbertie 04-20-2010 06:48 PM

When the Queen and Margaret and Alexandra were young princesses, and even Anne, there were expectations of that royal children would be raised differently to other children but...then a couple of woman married into the royal family and insisted that their children be given 'normal' upbringings. This is a failing I think in the way the current generation of royals have been raised and we see it most with the girls and the way they dress.

udyusa 04-20-2010 06:55 PM

Frankly, I don't need a nylon-fetishist to come and tell me his opinion. It is My opinion that a HRH just does not dress like that whether it is in fashion or not. IMHO, it just makes a young lady look cheap and even more so when the young lady in question is HRH Pr. Eugenie. I am sorry if I offend...

Mermaid1962 04-20-2010 07:00 PM

There must be a happy medium somewhere between keeping royal children sealed away from normality and letting them be "just like everyone else"--because they can never be that. They seem to be caught between two worlds: their grandmother's world where they wear hats and dresses, and their friends' world where everything goes. As far as I'm concerned, the Queen and Prince Philip got it right in that way. Their children were educated with other children and had the chance to have friends outside the royal circle, but they were instilled with the idea that they were responsible to give something back to the nation in exchange for their privileges. I think that William and Harry have been maturing in these last few years. I've taken a wait-and-see approach to the York girls.

Russophile 04-20-2010 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by udyusa (Post 1071453)
Frankly, I don't need a nylon-fetishist to come and tell me his opinion. It is My opinion that a HRH just does not dress like that whether it is in fashion or not. IMHO, it just makes a young lady look cheap and even more so when the young lady in question is HRH Pr. Eugenie. I am sorry if I offend...

Honey you don't offend me. I'm with ya! :flowers:

I just wonder what is so wrong with setting the bar a little higher? What is so wrong to want to set an example and look nice and well kempt?

Iluvbertie 04-20-2010 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mermaid1962 (Post 1071454)
There must be a happy medium somewhere...

You are right that the Wales boys have matured but at the ages the York girls they were at clubs and pubs and drunk a lot of the time.
Unfortunately too many people forget that these girls are still young and at uni and aren't giving them the same space that they gave William and Harry at the same time.
In time I think these girls will be fine - like Zara - whose dress sense at 20 was pretty appalling at times. They will end up being responsible members of the family.

Sister Morphine 04-20-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by udyusa (Post 1071453)
Frankly, I don't need a nylon-fetishist to come and tell me his opinion. It is My opinion that a HRH just does not dress like that whether it is in fashion or not. IMHO, it just makes a young lady look cheap and even more so when the young lady in question is HRH Pr. Eugenie. I am sorry if I offend...


Who here said they were a nylon-fetishist? You have people who say it's no big deal, she's out with her friends and not an official function and then you have people who say she shouldn't wear something like that, she's a royal princess.


That's it.

udyusa 04-20-2010 07:39 PM

Read NoorMeansLight, #528. I believe that will explain what I am discussing.
I am sorry that I do not know how to put posts in quotes. I think that would help me explain it to you better...

rmay286 04-20-2010 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 1071460)
In time I think these girls will be fine - like Zara - whose dress sense at 20 was pretty appalling at times. They will end up being responsible members of the family.

For sure, Zara was known for being "wild" in her early twenties (more so than Beatrice and Eugenie IMO; didn't she have audible fights with her boyfriend?) Then there was Harry who punched a photographer...showed up to a fancy dress party in Nazi uniform...and yes, he and William regularly went clubbing. The people who comment on the articles are really hard on Beatrice and Eugenie, whereas in my personal opinion Beatrice already seems more mature and settled down than she did a couple years ago.

Thinking about it, I guess I wouldn't say I like what Eugenie was wearing--the garter tights. I don't think they were really appropriate, especially for a princess; I guess it just doesn't bother me that much.

I think the difference between Beatrice and Eugenie and even the generation just before them--ie. their father and aunts and uncles--isn't just that Diana and Sarah were commoners; it's that society has changed hugely. It seems to me that whereas British high society used to consist of aristocrats and royalty, it's now composed of actresses, musicians, "footballers" and WAGs (can you tell I look at the Daily Mail)!? I would think that in past decades, British princes and princesses mingled with other European princes and princesses and English lords and ladies. But the world has changed to the point where the people who mix with royalty are now essentially commoners--people who have suddenly become rich and famous through power of the media--but haven't brought with them any kind of "class."

I think Eugenie is just emulating her peers, who emulate celebrities like Lily Allen who wore similar tights. Maybe it's not the way things used to be and maybe something has been lost amidst the surge of mediocre celebrities, but I don't think British society can ever go back.

Dierna23 04-21-2010 12:16 AM

Hmm... just my two cents. Well, couldn't it be possible that those two girls simply don't have any taste at all? No matter if they are Princesses and how old they are?

And don't get me wrong - it's not against the girls. I'm just talking about their fashion. Yes, Zara had some awful outfits back then, too. And still it was different, imo. Zara just seems to be the type who can wear all these rather 'rockin' outfits without looking foolish. Plus she's not a Princess. Anyway, Eugenie e. g. doesn't look like Lily Allen, she has a totally different body, she's another type but obviously she's a bit rebellious... To me she doesn't seem very comfortable with being a Royal.

But back to the clothes. I'll never understand why no-one seems to take notice in their inner circle, no-one gives them advices etc. I agree with Wisteria here - it seems as if someone cuts out their pictures from HM's newspapers... :whistling:

Russophile 04-21-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rmay286 (Post 1071499)
I think the difference between Beatrice and Eugenie and even the generation just before them--ie. their father and aunts and uncles--isn't just that Diana and Sarah were commoners; it's that society has changed hugely...

I see your point very well, though it corresponds with what I said: Why lower the bar? You can "mingle" with the common folk yet keep your dignity and decorum. Just my 2 cents.

Zonk 04-21-2010 02:19 PM

I think rmy286 made a valid point about society and how certain people are viewed as stars etc.

I also agree with Russo that it doesn't hurt to maintain some sort of decorum and dignity as well as iluvbertie that both the Wales and Phillips cousins did the same sort of thing with their actions and clothing style (as it relates to Zara) when they were the age of the York girls.

Here's my point...the stuff with the Wales and Phillips happened at least three to ten years ago (accounting for the age differences) and things have changed in that short of time span. Certainly the Wales, Phillips and York children are held to a different standard and different things are expected from them...if we must be honest...its according to their place in the Line of Succession. Thus in this age of economic uncertainity, the calls for a more streamline BRF and to keep the line every so more clear between the Royals and the Stars of the Moment (I mean really...who in ten years is going to know who Kerry Katona is?)....Eugenie and Beatrice need to remember that they are HRH Princesses of York.

I personally don't have a problem with them being young...having fun...going to college...hanging out with their friends...and even wearing trendy clothes...before they start work in the Family Firm (the Gloucesters and Kents are not going to be around forever and they will need to help Prince Charles when he become Kings) I just expect them to remember ALWAYS in the back of their mind...WHO THEY ARE and WHAT IS EXPECTED FROM THEM.

Sister Morphine 04-21-2010 02:35 PM

I don't mean to come across like their personal defender or anything, but I'm sure that both Beatrice and Eugenie know who they are and what's expected of them. If anything, both of their parents have done a great job raising them, which can't always be said for divorced parents, royals or otherwise. When the time comes for them to start helping their uncle out when he becomes King, and take on more work with the family, no doubt they will be more than ready to do so.

Zonk 04-21-2010 02:41 PM

You are not coming across as their personal defender..and anyone who has been on this board will tell you that I am a defender of the York girls but also see their faults (or their youth in this case).

And with that in mind, I will say one thing...its a difference in knowing who you are and what is expected from it...and acting like it. Perception is the key...and as the British public pays and expects a lot from its BRF its best for the BRF to put their best foot forward at all times while staying true to their individual personalities.

And again, I don't think that is too much to ask for. They need to always remember that a photo of a Princess falling out of a taxi drunk, wearing an inappropriate outfit is always going to sell and get more press than one of them dressed nicely doing a public engagement.


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