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Stefan 03-08-2020 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2298879)

In the case of prince Claus (and prince Bernhard and prince Hendrik before him), he did NOT get his wife's surname but was made a prince of the Netherlands (just like his daughter-in-law Máxima was made a princess of the Netherlands). Their children took both their mother's and father's titles; using one of their mother's titles (van Oranje-Nassau) as surname (mostly shortened to 'van Oranje'); which is also considered the name of the royal house. So, I don't see a reason for Amalia's husband to take on her surname; her children will surely be 'van Oranje(-Nassau)'.


And this was also done by his tow predecessors as consort of Queens as Queen Juliana was also Duchess zu Mecklenburg and Queen Beatrix and her sisters are aklso Princesses zur Lippe-Biesterfeld. So one can exxpect that this will also be done for the future husband of Princess Catharina-Amalia.

JR76 03-08-2020 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by O-H Anglophile (Post 2298789)
Prince Daniel in Sweden for example.

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Originally Posted by Countessmeout (Post 2298794)
I can see more families adopting what the Swedish have done, and having the husband take on the family name of his royal wife.

Due to the adoption of a new Swedish name law in 2017 a future consort of Princess Estelle would not have to take her surname given that a child of theirs would automatically receive the surname of the parent who gave birth to them unless otherwise reported to the Swedish Tax Office.

Tatiana Maria 03-08-2020 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2298879)
Other countries (The Netherlands and Denmark) already found a modus operandi for this situation (although Christian is of course not one of the female heirs).

In the case of prince Claus (and prince Bernhard and prince Hendrik before him), he did NOT get his wife's surname but was made a prince of the Netherlands (just like his daughter-in-law Máxima was made a princess of the Netherlands). Their children took both their mother's and father's titles; using one of their mother's titles (van Oranje-Nassau) as surname (mostly shortened to 'van Oranje'); which is also considered the name of the royal house. So, I don't see a reason for Amalia's husband to take on her surname; her children will surely be 'van Oranje(-Nassau)'.

In Denmark, they did something similar - albeit the addition of 'count of Monpezat' was a more recent one.

Even in Belgium, they already found a modus operandi, given that they wanted to make sure that Astrid's children were 'princes and princesses of Belgium' - using the surname 'of Belgium' -, so in the 90's they first made sure that their children added their mother's title/surname and later on also that her husband received her title (adding it to his own palet of titles - but the one that is primarily used in Belgium).

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 2299119)
And this was also done by his tow predecessors as consort of Queens as Queen Juliana was also Duchess zu Mecklenburg and Queen Beatrix and her sisters are aklso Princesses zur Lippe-Biesterfeld. So one can exxpect that this will also be done for the future husband of Princess Catharina-Amalia.


To add to the posts above: Legally, the situations with respect to fathers' and mothers' titles/surnames actually vary a great deal between the Netherlands, Denmark, and Belgium.


Netherlands: Both "of Orange-Nassau" from "Prince of Orange-Nassau" and "van Amsberg" from "Jonkheer van Amsberg" are recognized as surnames. The Royal Decree of February 16, 1966 decreed that the children of Princess Beatrix and Prince Claus would "de volgende titels en namen dragen: Zijne (Hare) Koninklijke Hoogheid Prins (Prinses) der Nederlanden, Prins (Prinses) van Oranje-Nassau, Jonkheer (Jonkvrouwe) van Amsberg."

Denmark: "of Monpezat" is recognized as a part of the title "Count(ess) of Monpezat" rather than a surname. The press release via which the Queen created her descendants Count(ess) of Monpezat addressed it as a title ("tillægges titel af ’greve af Monpezat"), and the members of the Royal House who carry the title Count(ess) of Monpezat have still not been civilly registered with a surname.

Belgium: Under King Baudouin, the Belgian court claimed that for female-line children, "of Belgium" was merely a title, not a surname, but King Albert II believed otherwise. King Philippe overruled both of his predecessors with his 2015 royal decree, according to which "of Belgium" is no longer viewed as a (legal) surname even for the male line. Today, for the children and male-line grandchildren of Princess Astrid, "of Austria-Este (Habsburg-Lorraine)" is viewed as their legal surname.



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Originally Posted by JR76 (Post 2299163)
Due to the adoption of a new Swedish name law in 2017 a future consort of Princess Estelle would not have to take her surname given that a child of theirs would automatically receive the surname of the parent who gave birth to them unless otherwise reported to the Swedish Tax Office.

Wasn't that the situation under the old name law as well? According to the the second paragraph of §1, if the parents' surnames were different from one another, and they made no report to the Tax Office, the child received the mother's surname.

Kataryn 03-08-2020 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria (Post 2142715)

Under German law, Queen Victoria lost her membership of the Royal House of Hannover when the union of the British and Hanoverian crowns was terminated in 1837, and became a member of the Ducal House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha when she married Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha in 1840.

Succession laws in the House of Braunschweig
House laws of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha


That she did but she still was a princess of Hanover, princess of Braunschweig-Lüneburg (that is the name of the whole family including the Electoral and later Royal line of Hanover) because she was born one as daughter of the Duke of Kent. There is always the difference between the "Royal House" where status and titles derive from and the "Royal family" where people get their surname or name of locality the family is originally from.


And I'm not sure though that she lost her Royal title of princess of Hannover, because she still was the male line granddaughter of a Hanoveran king and had the right to it since birth. But yes, when she married, she became a member of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.


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