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Guido 08-21-2008 05:43 PM

The Princess of Asturias Undergoes Operation for Respiratory Problems: August 2008
 
It seems to me that Letizia has been a nose job recently. Her nose isn't curved anymore.:ohmy:

chuchu 08-21-2008 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Guido (Post 814433)
It seems to me that Letizia has been a nose job recently. Her nose isn't curved anymore.:ohmy:

Who care about her nose job at a time like this?

Manuella 08-21-2008 06:49 PM

I agree with you Chuchu...
Her nose is nothing, we have to look to the tragedy and forget all the little things...

Winnie 08-21-2008 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Guido (Post 814433)
It seems to me that Letizia has been a nose job recently. Her nose isn't curved anymore.:ohmy:

Oh good Lord, Like she has been out of the public eye to have an operation -- and who would care even if she did. There is an awful world trauma going on in Spain! No time to start stupid rumors.

pupo 08-21-2008 11:45 PM

I think her nose looks very different. Maybe she had a deviated septum fixed. Just look at the previous news thread.

lucien 08-22-2008 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Guido (Post 814433)
It seems to me that Letizia has been a nose job recently. Her nose isn't curved anymore.:ohmy:

It seems to me you haven't got a clue of the world,and more specific,this thread.Do you realise what this is about?A nose job,huh?

Duke of Marmalade 08-22-2008 05:27 AM

The Princess of Asturias operated for respiratory problems
 
Although you can never be sure, I don't believe that she had a nose job as her nose looks the same yesterday

https://www.prismanews.com/spip.php?article3716

as at Sofia's christening over a year ago.

https://www.hola.com/galeria-de-image...ccion=espanola

I'd like to add, because there are obviously people out there who think that a nose job can be done during lunch break, that it's not only a serious operation (depending on what exactly needs to be done) with visible aftercare such as nosebands as mentioned by little star, but also very painful and unless Letizia either had a medial indication (some people with bent noses develop breathing problems / chronical infections over the years) or is a very vain person she would not have done such a procedure for very little impact, let alone the vile comments she would receive from the media for having plastic surgery already at the age of 35.

Guido 08-22-2008 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 814571)
Originally Posted by pupo https://www.theroyalforums.com/ugala/...s/viewpost.gif
I think her nose looks very different. Maybe she had a deviated septum fixed. Just look at the previous news thread.


There is a discussion about Letizia's nose in a thread where it does not belong. Although you can never be sure, I don't believe that she had a nose job as her nose looks the same yesterday

https://www.prismanews.com/spip.php?article3716

as at Sofia's christening over a year ago.

https://www.hola.com/galeria-de-image...ccion=espanola

I'd like to add, because there are obviously people out there who think that a nose job can be done during lunch break, that it's not only a serious operation (depending on what exactly needs to be done) with visible aftercare such as nosebands as mentioned by little star, but also very painful and unless Letizia either had a medial indication (some people with bent noses develop breathing problems / chronical infections over the years) or is a very vain person she would not have done such a procedure for very little impact, let alone the vile comments she would receive from the media for having plastic surgery already at the age of 35.


I disagree. Her nose does look very different and it seems that I am not the only one who noticed it. By the way, nose correction is a routine operation and isn't so serious as many people think.

https://rociomendozasalado.blogspot.c...e-letizia.html

Some old and new pictures. Her nose was curved and convex.

1, April 2008 https://s3.supload.com/free/B505_112631_0006.jpg/view/
2, June 2008 https://s3.supload.com/free/7726818.jpg/view/
https://s3.supload.com/free/81702918.jpg/view/
https://s3.supload.com/free/557920613...a449.jpg/view/
3, Beijing Olympic Games https://s3.supload.com/free/610x-2008...3354.jpg/view/

Recent photos, her nose is much straighter and shorter than before and similar to Queen Rania's nose. Change is clear.

https://s3.supload.com/free/letiziaoperada1.jpg/view/
https://s3.supload.com/free/1-20080822053953.jpg/view/
https://s3.supload.com/free/5-20080822054121.jpg/view/
https://s3.supload.com/free/340x3.jpg/view/
https://s3.supload.com/free/b34f54513...9781.jpg/view/
https://s3.supload.com/free/82504041.jpg/view/

Little_star 08-22-2008 07:44 AM

Guido, I've had my nose done. If Letizia had done something to her nose she would be required to wear a bandage for 2 weeks, maybe even longer. Moreover in some cases during the recovery it is possible for people to have a black eye, sufer from red spots etc.

The idea that she could have one done and be out and about, with NO visible scarring etc. is simply ludicrous.

Guido 08-22-2008 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Little_star (Post 814597)
Guido, I've had my nose done. If Letizia had done something to her nose she would be required to wear a bandage for 2 weeks, maybe even longer. Moreover in some cases during the recovery it is possible for people to have a black eye, sufer from red spots etc.

The idea that she could have one done and be out and about, with NO visible scarring etc. is simply ludicrous.


It depends on the operation. The bandage suffices 7-10 days as well.

Duke of Marmalade 08-22-2008 08:29 AM

[quote=Guido;814572]

None of yesterday's photos have a similar angle to the older ones and I seriously doubt that Letizia could have had an operation on her nose with no signs of the usual effects: swelling, bruising, splint within the time period she was out of the public eye - hardly two weeks. However I agree that her face looks different and strange at occasions and I wouldn't be surprised if she had something done ... botox etc yes but an operation? And what for? She does have pointy features, nose and chin but on an average level ... nothing that would require correction for cosmetic reasons IMO. In case she did have an operation for non-medical reasons she must be either bored or obsessed with her looks - maybe she has recently made friends with Victoria Beckham ;)

carlota 08-22-2008 09:40 AM

to be honest, i also believe her nose looks different, but in all fairness, it's difficult to imagine there's no visible scar, redness, ... in so little time after the treatment. we have seen her almost every week, so i guess there's no possibility for recovery at home.

however, even so, i guess it's a completely natural thing to want to preserve your body as much as possible. i don't see anything wrong in royals and surgery, botox or any other treatments.

envoy2400 08-22-2008 09:44 AM

The Beijing picture shows the same nose bump. No change.

sunsh1n3 08-22-2008 10:07 AM

When I saw her pictures a couple of days ago, I, too, thought something looked different and I thought her nose looked different. I didn't say anything because I wasn't sure, she does look different.

Winnie 08-22-2008 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by envoy2400 (Post 814635)
The Beijing picture shows the same nose bump. No change.

You are right -- same slight bump if people would just bring up all the pictures if they are really that interested.

I personally do think that Letizia has a slight change in her looks but I believe that it probably is due to a change in her skin care routine. Her skin is more refined (in very close shots) and I just bet that she has started a good Obagi (or something similar) routine. Believe me as an Obagi user for years now, you will see a dramatic change after a few weeks. I don't believe that she has had botox (although nothing wrong with that) and I give her credit to want to retain her skin. I would love to see Maxima do the same as she is such a sweet woman and it would clear up Maxima's sun damage.

As far as Letizia's nose looking different, mine does too if I forget to use my contour powder properly. It is all just tricks to look as good as one can at given times. And to me, it is frightful the number of women that actually don't care how they look. Not that they are obsessed or have to think about it, just that they took the time to learn. Once skilled, it takes no more time than brushing ones teeth, which I hope is done daily also.

LadyFinn 08-22-2008 11:21 AM

Diario Informacion/Doņa Letizia se ha sometido a una septorrinoplastia por una desviación de tabique
Photo

salma 08-22-2008 11:22 AM

Princess Letizia article in hola about her recent surgery

https://www.hola.com/casasreales/2008...a-ortiz-nariz/

Liah76 08-22-2008 11:31 AM

Medical reasons??????

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

I can't believe that.

Menarue 08-22-2008 11:44 AM

It looks much better now in my opinion. If she wanted to have a nose job and had it done good for her.
My daughter had one for medical reasons, her nose has a always been a lovely little shaped nose but she had definite breathing problems because of a deviated septum, she had local anaesthetic and after the first few days she was fine,no black eyes and no nose bandage or splint, but she kept well out of sight for those first days as she had a lot of swelling and some tubes to help her breathe.

norwegianne 08-22-2008 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Liah76 (Post 814674)
Medical reasons??????

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

I can't believe that.

My father had surgery a few years back for the same reasons as are given here by the Spanish court, and according to him it was not pleasant. And not something you do just for the fun of it.

Letizia has been in the public eye since long before she married Felipe. If she really was not satisfied with her nose's physical appearance, why would she not fix it earlier?

LadyFinn 08-22-2008 11:50 AM

I know a couple of "ordinary" people, who have had the same operation as Letizia for health reasons. SRF handled this well by publishing it today, not yesterday.

PrincessofEurope 08-22-2008 12:13 PM

i am sure she will face criticism from some parts of the spanish media especially in light of the recent event - hopefully however they will accept it has been a medical condition.
She has recovered well from the operation as there are lucky no scars or bruising

Liah76 08-22-2008 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by norwegianne (Post 814682)
My father had surgery a few years back for the same reasons as are given here by the Spanish court, and according to him it was not pleasant. And not something you do just for the fun of it.

Letizia has been in the public eye since long before she married Felipe. If she really was not satisfied with her nose's physical appearance, why would she not fix it earlier?

Letizia isn't a honest person. She has a dark side, very dark, I can't believe the "medical reasons" that is a excuse.

I had a nose surgery too, I know how is that.

LadyFinn 08-22-2008 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Liah76 (Post 814703)
Letizia isn't a honest person. She has a dark side, very dark, I can't believe the "medical reasons" that is a excuse.

I had a nose surgery too, I know how is that.

That is a quite strong opinion. Do you know Letizia personally? I donīt know her, so I canīt say straight here that medical reasons is an excuse, especially when I know people whom this operation has helped a lot.

Liah76 08-22-2008 12:55 PM

Is a stong opinion, but is my opinion, I don't pretend everybody think just like me, but, I can't be quiet.

Anna_R 08-22-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PrincessofEurope (Post 814689)
i am sure she will face criticism from some parts of the spanish media especially in light of the recent event

Why should she? She, as far as I'm concerned, couldn't have predict that that horrible accident would take place and she had the surgery done before it.

I think she would face heavy criticism if she had heard about the accident and then gone to the hospital to have the surgery, but there she is, recently operated and visiting the victims relatives as it was expected from her, isn't she?

bbb 08-22-2008 01:12 PM

could someone be so kind to give an english summary of the articles? i'm interested because i can't see any difference and am concerned about the surgery, she looks flawless to me (as always) i don't know when it occurred but i admire her so much to face the grief and stress of these days after the crash so beautifully. the pain of all those tragic people, it is so moving to see the effort even if there is really nothing you can do or say in this kind of situation....only love and comfort. what kind of surgery was it and when did it take place?

Madame Royale 08-22-2008 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by carlota (Post 814633)
to be honest, i also believe her nose looks different, but in all fairness, it's difficult to imagine there's no visible scar, redness, ... in so little time after the treatment. we have seen her almost every week, so i guess there's no possibility for recovery at home.

however, even so, i guess it's a completely natural thing to want to preserve your body as much as possible. i don't see anything wrong in royals and surgery, botox or any other treatments.

A girlfriend of mine had the "bump" in her nose reshaped recently and there are no visible scars as they went up through both nostrils. She had minor swelling for around 72 hours and very little bruising which again subsided rather quickly. Imo, it would be entirely possible for Letizia to have undergone such surgery and like you, I do think her nose looks different. Infact, her whole faces seems to me rather different now.

I agree with the latter paragraph in your post, also.

Although I've never thought poorly of Letizia (absolutely no reason too), I've never really payed her much attention but as time progresses I like her more and more and would think her to be a very lovely, and loving, indavidual.

Amely 08-22-2008 01:22 PM

Poor Letizia :ermm:
She wanted to be a beautiful but now... Her eyes, her nose ...Maybe in future we'll see her face young and beautiful :angel:

sunsh1n3 08-22-2008 02:07 PM

I think she was beautiful before and I think she is beautiful now. Her nose job (or lack of ) has nothing to do with how she is as a person. I admire her for her work ethics, she seems to be a loving mother and for being a good representative of the Spanish Crown.

agm 08-22-2008 02:41 PM

VIDEO from Telecinco
https://es.youtube.com/watch?v=OVz845AyFxI

iowabelle 08-22-2008 02:44 PM

I think some of us are being very critical of this lady. Maybe she did it for medical reasons, or maybe she was uncomfortable with her appearance and just wanted to feel better about how she looked. (I shudder to think what would have been said had she gotten breast implants.) She certainly gets a lot of criticism about her appearance, so maybe this was a way to cope with that.

And I don't know how we can say that she has a "dark side." I don't think any of us know her.

pamk 08-22-2008 02:54 PM

Letizia has definitely had nose surgery. You can see the difference in the photos. She is trying to stay in back of Felipe - not pushing herself forward - hair hanging in her face - the works.
The plastic surgery is very, very subtle --- not much of a change but just enough. The surgeon probably operated inside of her nose. She did not have drastic work done and so no black eyes, visible swelling, etc. like with a face lift.
Lots of celebrities use the term "deviated septum" as an excuse for a nose job.
The reason that Letizia didn't have the operation ages ago (maybe before Felipe) is that a good nose operation can be hideously expensive. I am sure that Letizia used the best of plastic surgeons and that the expense was very high.

I remember reading about Princess Diana moaning about wanting a nose job but knowing how the public and press would react, she didn't dare do it. And I think that she wanted to REALLY reshape her nose.

LadyFinn 08-22-2008 03:04 PM

I doubt very strongly that King Juan Carlos would not let her daughter-in-law to do a nose operation just for beauty reasons.

Roxsteve 08-22-2008 03:05 PM

Medical reasons? Did she snore too? She has become very vain. She should be honest and say that she did it for cosmetic reasons. We are not that naive!!!!!

Roxsteve 08-22-2008 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyFinn (Post 814749)
I doubt very strongly that King Juan Carlos would not let her daughter-in-law to do a nose operation just for beauty reasons.

So she did it at the expense of the Spanish peopl? Is that what you are trying to say?

LadyFinn 08-22-2008 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Roxsteve (Post 814751)
So she did it at the expense of the Spanish peopl? Is that what you are trying to say?

I tried to say that king Juan Carlos wouldnīt ever let Letizia do the nose operation just for beauty reasons, not in anybodyīs expense. Letizia did her nose operation for health reasons. Sorry if you didnīt understand. Is it so impossible, that also the royal people have different kinds of health problems?

AFP/Spain's Princess Letizia undergoes nose surgery: Royal Palace

JanSpencer 08-22-2008 03:23 PM

The Princess defently made a nose job!
look into the picture...... she has got a lot of make up and under that make up
you see that the eyes are swolen up...

...it could also be to that she made a chin operation..when you look at the befor/after pictures.



Winnie 08-22-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Liah76 (Post 814703)
Letizia isn't a honest person. She has a dark side, very dark, I can't believe the "medical reasons" that is a excuse.

I had a nose surgery too, I know how is that.

I would love to hear of your honest reasons for thinking that Letizia is not an honest person. Do you believe that she steals or lies? Do you believe that her "dark side" means that she is part of devil or has a bad ulterior motive for marrying Felipe,; such as wanting to overthrow the Spanish Royal Family?

I know that you have strong feelings for feeling the way you do, could you tell me why so that I understand?

LadyFinn 08-22-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JanSpencer (Post 814757)
The Princess defently made a nose job!
look into the picture...... she has got a lot of make up and under that make up
you see that the eyes are swolen up...

...it could also be to that she made a chin operation..when you look at the befor/after pictures.



We all know that she has had a nose operation, because the Spanish Royal Family sent a press release, in which they told about that.

Winnie 08-22-2008 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Amely (Post 814717)
Poor Letizia :ermm:
She wanted to be a beautiful but now... Her eyes, her nose ...Maybe in future we'll see her face young and beautiful :angel:

What did she do to her eyes?

We don't have to wait for her to look beautiful, I think that she is nice looking both before and after her marriage.

Duke of Marmalade 08-22-2008 03:51 PM

If she really had a nose job (did casa real confirm this?) I guess it had a medical background and she decided to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. A cosmetic-only background would be stupid because it sends out the wrong message and the pain/result ratio in Letizia's case is minimal. Honestly, does her nose look so much better now? I thought it always matched her chin and somehow made her face, the person she is. I don't know if she had done more but the most apparent thing to me is that now her complete face looks somehow strange and fake and I hope that the nose, when we have clearer pictures, doesn't turn out to be this usual fake-operated-prototype-nose that the Ivana Trumps of this world usually show off.

What me strikes though is that the people I know who had an operation for medical reasons were not anywhere near running around after a few days as if nothing had happened.

Winnie 08-22-2008 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Roxsteve (Post 814750)
Medical reasons? Did she snore too? She has become very vain. She should be honest and say that she did it for cosmetic reasons. We are not that naive!!!!!

Maybe she did snore or have other problems. Just because a person is married into the Royal family (or even born Royal as W-A with his medical condition) it doesn't mean that they cannot have health problems. They should have them taken care of, just as we do, to ensure a better way of life. I don't consider that vain, I consider that intelligent.

jjkg 08-22-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Roxsteve (Post 814750)
Medical reasons? Did she snore too? She has become very vain. She should be honest and say that she did it for cosmetic reasons. We are not that naive!!!!!

A serious question for folks who don't hold Letizia in high regard:

Someone like me looks at Letizia and sees a serious hardworking woman, which predisposes me to like her.

Some other folks see her and see something else which informs their opinion (Like Roxsteve - you think she is vain etc. some other folks think she has a dark side)

I'm trying to understand what do you see that informs your negative perception of her? What am I missing? What do you see that I don't?


In the absence of his understanding this, folks like me often have an emotional, dismissive response to your posts (classical response: they just hate Leti)

Al_bina 08-22-2008 04:06 PM

I do not think the reasons for Crown Princess Letizia's surgery really matter. There will be people, who believe the official explanations, and people, who do not believe these official explanations. As said many times before, each person is entitled to his/her opinion. Crown Princess Letizia has had her personal reasons to do this surgery. Thus, I do not question her decision.

Roxsteve 08-22-2008 04:08 PM

Hate is a strong word. I personally don't hate her, but I am tired of her excuses to do things. If she had medical problems, why did she wait so long to do it? She did not have this problem before Felipe? Why can't she be honest and say, I just wanted to do it because it would look better. There is nothing wrong with it, but just say it! I personally don't care one way or another, but to put her up on a pedestal, no thank you.

Duke of Marmalade 08-22-2008 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PrincessofEurope (Post 814689)
i am sure she will face criticism from some parts of the spanish media especially in light of the recent event - hopefully however they will accept it has been a medical condition.

I agree. It's not Letizia's fault but the nose job is an unlucky coincidence with the air plane crash ... people will be annoyed that such a superficial topic will make headlines now and distract from things that really matter, the personal tragedies of Madrid airport.

PrincessofEurope 08-22-2008 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Roxsteve (Post 814750)
Medical reasons? Did she snore too? She has become very vain. She should be honest and say that she did it for cosmetic reasons. We are not that naive!!!!!

When the Royal Court has gone public and made the announcement that Letizia had to go through an operation to fix a respiratory problem then i think we should accept that statement.
Afterall they never had to make an announcement and could have kept it a private matter.

jjkg 08-22-2008 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Roxsteve (Post 814780)
Hate is a strong word. I personally don't hate her, but I am tired of her excuses to do things. If she had medical problems, why did she wait so long to do it? She did not have this problem before Felipe? Why can't she be honest and say, I just wanted to do it because it would look better. There is nothing wrong with it, but just say it! I personally don't care one way or another, but to put her up on a pedestal, no thank you.

Duh!!! Who would have thought that upon marriage, all her biological/physiological functions came to a standstill

There is no possibility that in the past 4-5 years, her situation may have been exacerbated needing medical intervention?

Also, if she was so fashion/beauty conscious, don't you think she would make better choices for her dowdy wardrobe for which she gets criticism day in, day out?

Spanish pink press is going to eat her alive for this

olga7777 08-22-2008 05:02 PM

When I look at her she suddenly brings memories of Julio Iglesias and his nose. I'm suddenly remembering an Eastenders actress as well.

I find so hard to believe she had the nose job done after having respiratory problems as she didnīt seem to have any until now and more considering that the Royal Household has never had a problem talking about other medical events that were scheduled. I mean everyone knows whether the King has had his annual health check and other surgeries that were program to happened. There's never been a delay or lack of information about them as it happened now, the statement from the Royal Household has come out only after rumors seem to have gone wild in Madrid.

I find so hard to believe this version considering how the septum in adults only gives problems in very specific situations, like physical accidents and she doesnīt seem to have had any of those in recent times. :ermm:

I'm so sorry for all the ones that want Fairy tales because this is not one, and that's for sure,

Stefanie 08-22-2008 05:06 PM

Maybe she did it because there were some caricatures in the past who made fun about her chin and her nose all the time. It made her really look like some kind of a witch sometimes and that is really not her fault.
Iīd say she looked always a little angular from profile after she lost so much weight.
Maybe she just doesnīt dare in a way to confess she had some "beauty-surgery" or how you say that.
Sometimes I feel sorry for that poor woman. I mean: I still canīt forgive her that she married this smart Felipe, that sheīs divorced, that sheīs not given birth to a boy at first a. so.
But I know itīs slowly not fair. I should leave her alone by now.
And she will be again critizised for having her nose done no matter what she confesses: No matter whether it was done for more beauty or for respiration. People wonīt stop critizising her. I for myself have decided to do so now. Letīs all make our peace with her.....

olga7777 08-22-2008 05:34 PM

That woman has not married a fairy tale prince, she has married into a political institution. One very important in my country, this is not a fairy tale this is politics and it affects the daily life of millions.

A beauty problem makes no difference in my country whatsoever, a health one in that institution makes. If the King is sick is important and if there is no problem in saying when he goes to his annual health test, as there is no problem in saying when George Bush has a health issue, one day delay after rumors going wild itīs a major mistake. Give explanations only once you can not hide something IS an issue. Her "beauty" issue should not have been hidden as itīs going to make rumors even more wild she shouldīve informed in advanced, she belongs to an institution sheīs not a model.

I didnīt see the same treatment of events when Rania broke her leg, whatīs the secrecy for? Why so late if it was something scheduled?

I donīt know if itīs official or not Raniaīs nose job, but she was not a very public figure she did it and once she became more public when sheīs had a health issue thereīs been no secrecy when itīs been a major one. And this was a major one

donnaK 08-22-2008 05:51 PM

I don't see any royal house reporting problems such as respiratory problems (I know people have the problem and haven't done the operation yet), if someone has cancer or heart attack, we will probably know before being admitted to the hospital. I'm pretty sure all the royals have annual health check, we only hear the King's, in some other countries, we don't even hear anything. If someone has a flu or cold, I doubt we will hear anything unless he/she has missed an official engagement and has to provide an explanation, there is no difference among various countries. Did the Jordanian house make an annoucement right after Rania break her leg ? If they did, perhaps they did this since it was right before an official trip.
Anyway, the SRF chose to make an annoucement and they didn't have to.

Incas 08-22-2008 05:56 PM

I can't understand why a nose job is ranked as a major health issue. If the lady had surgery to fix a heart condition, that's major. But breathing?

Roxsteve 08-22-2008 05:57 PM

No matter what is said, there are ones who will defend her 'till the end, and others who will not accept anything as just black and white. Let's be respectful of each other's views. That's the fun of this forum.

donnaK 08-22-2008 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Incas (Post 814829)
I can't understand why a nose job is ranked as a major health issue. If the lady had surgery to fix a heart condition, that's major. But breathing?

Exactly. So far no face lifting operation has been reported from other royal houses :lol:.

Guido 08-22-2008 06:05 PM

The respiration problem is just a half-true. Septoplasty DOESN'T change the shape of nose because the prosedure is performed inside the nose through nostrils. The surgeon straights the septum what isn't visible outwardly. Straightening of nose and nasal hump removing is rhinoplasty and not nasal septum surgery. When nasal septum is straighted is septoplasty. Septoplasty is often combined with rhinoplasty. Actually it's a 2 in 1 surgery. It happend to Letizia. She had combined surgery septoplasty (brespiration problem) and rhinoplasty( aesthetic problem).

Here are some links about two surgeries. You can read in first link. SEPTOPLASTY USUALLY DOESN'T THE CHANGE OUTWARD APPEARENCE OF YOUR NOSE ( THIS IS WHAT A RHINOPLASTY DOES AND TWO ARE SOMETIMES PERFOMED TOGETHER).

https://www.obstructednose.com/nasal_...ed_septum.html

https://www.houstonfaces.com/septoplasty.asp

https://www.content4reprint.com/beaut...appearance.htm

https://www.plasticsurgery4u.com/proc...asty_hump.html

olga7777 08-22-2008 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by donnaK (Post 814828)
I don't see any royal house reporting problems such as respiratory problems (I know people have the problem and haven't done the operation yet), if someone has cancer or heart attack, we will probably know before being admitted to the hospital. I'm pretty sure all the royals have annual health check, we only hear the King's, in some other countries, we don't even hear anything. If someone has a flu or cold, I doubt we will hear anything unless he/she has missed an official engagement and has to provide an explanation, there is no difference among various countries. Did the Jordanian house make an annoucement right after Rania break her leg ? If they did, perhaps they did this since it was right before an official trip.
Anyway, the SRF chose to make an annoucement and they didn't have to.

I think they did and she appeared in an act with the plaster on her leg. She also visited Holland and so on. Thereīs a need to arrange certain things for this kind of events. I believe I remember she took like a golf car or something like that and she went with Queen Beatrix in it, so in my opinion they considered the distance long enough for her but not so long or convenient for a conventional car plus all security measures this brings. I mean thereīs tons of things to organise that do not appeared in photos and a significant amount of work for other people. Thatīs why they inform of these issues,

Itīs as plain and simple as this: if they would have informed about the schedule surgery (the British Royal Household gave information about Chamilla having an hysterectomy, for instance) everyone would know sheīs in hospital and they would understand her not appearing visiting the victims yesterday or visiting the victims yesterday with very heavy make up. Itīs simply that. But there was no statement UNTIL rumours went wild, why so much secrecy?

Itīs easy to understand that if you cannot go to work and you say you are sick, you are sick. Whatīs the problem?

Incas 08-22-2008 06:13 PM

It may not necessarily be a case of secrecy as the Princess had scheduled some time off around the surgery. No one was expecting a plane to go down so horribly. As a member of the royal family, she would be expected to attend the services. Seems to me it's not such a consipiracy was it's being made out to be. It probably seems like a private matter for her to take care of, not a national circus.

Nad25 08-22-2008 06:22 PM

what am i reading??? Did princess letizia had a nose job??? why is that?? i dont understand??!!:ermm:

donnaK 08-22-2008 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by olga7777 (Post 814835)
I think they did and she appeared in an act with the plaster on her leg. She also visited Holland and so on. Thereīs a need to arrange certain things for this kind of events. I believe I remember she took like a golf car or something like that and she went with Queen Beatrix in it, so in my opinion they considered the distance long enough for her but not so long or convenient for a conventional car plus all security measures this brings. I mean thereīs tons of things to organise that do not appeared in photos and a significant amount of work for other people. Thatīs why they inform of these issues,

Itīs as plain and simple as this: if they would have informed about the schedule surgery (the British Royal Household gave information about Chamilla having an hysterectomy, for instance) everyone would know sheīs in hospital and they would understand her not appearing visiting the victims yesterday or visiting the victims yesterday with very heavy make up. Itīs simply that. But there was no statement UNTIL rumours went wild, why so much secrecy?

Itīs easy to understand that if you cannot go to work and you say you are sick, you are sick. Whatīs the problem?

Like I said before, the Jordanian house hadn't said when exactly Rania broke her leg, I only knew that when she showed up at an engagement. It's perfectly understandable that the SRF didn't announce Letizia's procedure yesterday right before her visit to the hospitals, it would be unrespectful for the victims and their families since her procedure might turn out to be the talk, not the visit, the victims or their families (I know how pathetic some of the TV shows are in Spain).
Letizia did go to visit the victims yesterday. The procedure had been done for a week, she looked well enough to do the act. If she didn't, the SRF probably would have given the explanation yesterday. I didn't notice at all her makeup was heavy, her mother-in-law also wore makeups. Except for a few talks on the internet, I didn't see any rumors in the media until the announcement, otherwise it would have been lots of press articles on her possible surgery.

Maca 08-22-2008 06:52 PM

I'm shocked by the pitiful comments of some pitiful people. She's dishonest, she's vain, she this, she's that. If they don't like her, well that's fine but they will use any excuse to insult her no matter what she does; that just show the kind of people THEY are.

Years ago, I had to go through surgery for the same reasons, a deviated septum, and the doctor who was a friend of mine (so I know he wasn't lying), said that most people get their noses re-touched in that operation. It doesn't add that much to the bill and it doesn't take long. I didn't change my nose, but when I look back, sometimes I wish I had. So what if she did!

Mari_* 08-22-2008 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Roxsteve
No matter what is said, there are ones who will defend her 'till the end, and others who will not accept anything as just black and white. Let's be respectful of each other's views. That's the fun of this forum.

Yes and other who will criticize her to the end too.

Ella Kay 08-22-2008 07:08 PM

I'm inclined to believe that the surgery was primarily for the exact reasons that the SRF offered. Letizia's always struck me as a confident woman, and I'd be surprised if a woman with as happy a home life as she seems to have would worry too much about something like the shape of her nose.

That said, it does look like the surgery had an effect on the way her nose looks. I just doubt that was the most important reason for the operation.

Regina 08-22-2008 07:48 PM

I don't see any problem with her nose job. To be honest, I think the new nose looks just Perfect. Congratulations to Letizia's doctors haha!

I believe everyone has the right to feel better as long they don't do anything that will harm them (spiritually or physically). Letizia made the right decision in order to feel better. Why would someone have to live with an "ugly" nose if they have the chance to change it? A nose job is the same as changing your hair colour...

carlota 08-22-2008 08:00 PM

i personally don't believe the zarzuela version behind the surgery (why not just admit it was because of esthetical issues?) but i see nothing wrong in letizia getting her nose done. it's obviously her own body and certainly something that concerns 0% her role as princess: as long as she looks dignified and appropriate for her role, that's all it matters and where the public opinion's liberty finishes.

Elspeth 08-22-2008 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Incas (Post 814829)
I can't understand why a nose job is ranked as a major health issue. If the lady had surgery to fix a heart condition, that's major. But breathing?


Well, breathing is important too...:ermm:

rominet09 08-22-2008 08:05 PM

Even if it was only for esthetical reasons, she was right to do it

Maca 08-22-2008 08:22 PM

She probably was being sarcastic. I mean, no one's that stupid.

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Originally Posted by Elspeth (Post 814881)
Well, breathing is important too...:ermm:


dee4855 08-22-2008 09:26 PM

There is a picture on the Spanish Royal website that shows her nose very well. If you will look it appears one nostril is much smaller than the other. My husband was like that and he could not breathe at all on one side.

The picture is about 3/4 of the way down. It is a picture from China where she is looking up at the Prince. I think the date is July 2006. I do not think it was vanity at all. I think she was having problems breathing.

https://spaansekoningshuis.web-log.nl...t_l/index.html

Maca 08-22-2008 09:40 PM

I see what you're saying. It's the second picture from this link:
https://spaansekoningshuis.web-log.nl...7/china_4.html

dee4855 08-22-2008 09:42 PM

Thank you! I am glad you see it too.

carlota 08-22-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dee4855 (Post 814895)
There is a picture on the Spanish Royal website that shows her nose very well. If you will look it appears one nostril is much smaller than the other. My husband was like that and he could not breathe at all on one side.

The picture is about 3/4 of the way down. It is a picture from China where she is looking up at the Prince. I think the date is July 2006. I do not think it was vanity at all. I think she was having problems breathing.

https://spaansekoningshuis.web-log.nl...t_l/index.html

you are right, in this picture (second in the link) it's quite evident: https://spaansekoningshuis.web-log.nl...7/china_4.html

Maca 08-22-2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dee4855 (Post 814897)
Thank you! I am glad you see it too.

No, thank you for posting the link.

That can actually be painful. Probably my nostrils used to look like hers on the picture (I had the same thing). I didn't have problems breathing but sometimes breathing was painful in one of my nostrils, it was like breathing very cool air and my mom said that I was a snoring baby, probably because of that too.

pupo 08-22-2008 10:21 PM

ooh it's so tough being a genius!

RhapsodyBrat 08-22-2008 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Maca (Post 814887)
She probably was being sarcastic. I mean, no one's that stupid.

Sarcastic or not, it is important and it's better that the condition be corrected now rather than wait for the woman to keel over and faint because she couldn't breathe.

Maybe it did take a long time before they diagnosed the condition because shortness of breath can be a symptom to several other conditions/illnesses.

acdc1 08-22-2008 11:40 PM

Well, I don't care if she had a nose job or not, that's her personal choice. I hope the Princess is in more comfort now, because I've heard that deviated septums can make it quite hard to breathe sometimes.

ashelen 08-23-2008 12:03 AM

well i think is a good excuse!

madeleine victoria 08-23-2008 01:43 AM

Having a nose job or not I don't really care as long as she's doing a fantastic job and helping her husband serve Spain. I'm no SPanish but let's see how the Spanish media reacts to this news. Was Letizia heavily criticized in the Spanish newspapers now for having her nose done for medical reasons? I would love to know that.

pamk 08-23-2008 04:54 AM

All in all, she had a nose job. It's the end of summer - a real down time - no official events planned for a while - good time to have the surgery done. Then the airplane crash and Letizia is forced to appear in public (if she had not appeared then there would have been even more rumors). In the video in one of the posts her face looks swollen and she looks just different. Because of the plane crash and Letizia having to make a public appearance and the surgery being so obvious, the SRF had to issue a statement regarding the surgery. I am sure that Letizia was hoping to ease back into her royal duties this Fall without anyone noticing a thing.
Please don't slam me, but I don't like the new nose. You are born with the nose which fits your face. She could have corrected the "deviated septum" and not changed the shape of her nose.

Mari_* 08-23-2008 05:11 AM

Easy pamk no one is going to slam you! :lol: She just got it so give it some time! Seriously I cannot even see the diference maybe if we had some more pics then I could see it but now I see it just as always! :smile:

Carminha Stalker 08-23-2008 08:03 AM

Iīm not particularly fond of Princess Leticia, even though I love the SRF, but so what if she had to have an operation in her nose?Casa Real says it was for health reasons, but even if it wasnīt, whatīs the harm in it?

Bonbon 08-23-2008 08:10 AM

The difference is recognisible but I think her nose was better, more carismatic. But she looks fine I guess we will get used to it eventually. She can have an operation on her nose. It's her nose she can do anything she wants :)

Roxsteve 08-23-2008 08:28 AM

She looks like Ally McBeal.

sweetness 08-23-2008 08:51 AM

I don't understand why Leitzia is being crucified for having her nose operated on primarily for medical reasons! Did Maxima and Rania receive the same level of criticism when they had their cosmetic surgeries?

Guido 08-23-2008 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetness (Post 814984)
I don't understand why Leitzia is being crucified for having her nose operated on primarily for medical reasons! Did Maxima and Rania receive the same level of criticism when they had their cosmetic surgeries?


Because the truth sends a negative message. By the way, I can't understand why many people are against plastic surgeries. Rhinoplasty isn't a sin. After all, we live in the 21th century.

Guido 08-23-2008 09:37 AM

It seems that the journalists does read the Royal Forum because they used some photos what I had posted before.

More articles and blogs.

https://www.elpais.com/articulo/gente...lpepuage_4/Tes

https://www.blogswow.com/2008/08/23/l...e-nueva-nariz/

https://famoseo.net/letizia-ortiz-se-opera-la-nariz/

https://www.marujeo.com/1581/la-nueva...letizia-ortiz/

https://www.terra.com.pe/noticias/art...act1386919.htm

https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/4068...eracion/nariz/

https://www.libertaddigital.com/notic...276337030.html

https://www.publico.es/gente/144831/d...ia/opera/nariz

Lena 08-23-2008 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Guido (Post 814993)
Because the truth sends a negative message. IMO, I can't understand why many people are against plastic surgeries. Rhinoplasty isn't a sin. After all, we live in the 21th century.

Well, many ppl meet surgeries with lots of respect. With reason IMO. There are still many ppl, who get in (even fatal) danger through anesthesia, drugs (pain killers, antibiotics--->allergies)...there are things as infections of wounds and necrosis. So many ppl canīt understand, why other ppl would endanger their bodies for surgeries, which are actually not neccessary.
They would understand it even the less, if those persons have e.g. little children.
Getting a surgery done is nothing like dyeing ones hair.
Of course jealousy might be also involved. Most ppl canīt afford plastic surgeries or only through a lot of saving.
Some ppl also find the results "plain ugly" as some adjustments (huge breasts, face lifts) donīt look "natural" and "human"

Personally I am thinking, that itīs indeed up to the people...for my aesthetic perception things must look natural...therefore I am e.g. considering Letiīs "new" nose as ok, but e.g. Queen Silviaīs facial "adjustments" as "ridiculous looking"

Maxima got plastic surgery done :question:

JanSpencer 08-23-2008 12:19 PM

It seems as if she also have done something with her chin..it looks much more feminine and softer in the new pictures...very different

Winnie 08-23-2008 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Roxsteve (Post 814978)
She looks like Ally McBeal.

I like Ally McBeal also.

jinigirl 08-23-2008 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetness (Post 814984)
I don't understand why Leitzia is being crucified for having her nose operated on primarily for medical reasons! Did Maxima and Rania receive the same level of criticism when they had their cosmetic surgeries?

I didn't know that Maxima had cosmetic surgery? What kind of? Is it only a guess or a rumour?

janelarn 08-23-2008 12:45 PM

It seems to me to be incredible that all the persons who criticize this operation of the princess Letizia, before had not praised that she was visiting the patients in four different hospitals.
It is sure that an operation of nose is more important, tha Fulfillment with her obligations and duty
Incredible ... and sad.

Duke of Marmalade 08-23-2008 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pamk (Post 814951)
Please don't slam me, but I don't like the new nose. You are born with the nose which fits your face. She could have corrected the "deviated septum" and not changed the shape of her nose.

I couldn't agree more pamk. Her nose and chin made the character in her face and that's now gone. Her nose now looks like the noses of countless ambitious soap actresses or reality-tv show presenters: fake and standardized. Maybe some of the old shape returns once the swelling has gone. There is still an option which I would like to believe in, that the correction of the deviated septum was not possible without the correction of the shape of her nose. If I am right, I actually feel sorry for her, having to give up her original nose and getting plenty of stick from everybody for the inevitable. If I am wrong, well, she will have thought of the consequences and now has to live with them.

Whatever the truth the whole thing hasn't done her or the SRF any favours. The plane crash forced her to come out of her recovery period and instead of being in charge of the whole PR she has to react. The timing was more than unlucky (not her fault) and probably nobody in Spain will believe that the whole procedure was done for medical reasons only, as casareal wants to make people believe. She will now somehow pick up the stigma of a celebrity, altering her appearance for vanity what is sending out the wrong message and doesn't have role-model character.

In the beginning she always acted as a tough modern woman who wanted to be recognized as hard-working professional Sofia II but unfortunately she could not keep up with her own high standards. First she was reduced to Felipe's handbag, then this summer she opted for going down the celebrity path with short dresses and ultramodern sunglasses and shoes which give her the vain and obsessed-with-looks touch. The nose correction only adds up to that. Sadly, the appearance of Princess Letizia in August 2008 has finally become unrecognizable from the appearance of the fiancee Letizia Ortiz in her white pantsuit in November 2003.

Menarue 08-23-2008 01:45 PM

I rather like her new nose. Fine, she has lost her original shape. My own nose isnīt perfect but I have never thought of having it changed but some women really hate their noses and for some reason the ones that have a slightly hooked nose seem to hate them most. I rather like them, they look patrician. But if she feels better with it, well good luck to her. It must be very trying having all angles of photographs taken and perhaps this new nose makes her feel more relaxed when cameras are pointed at her.
I would have been more than happy having her original nose instead of mine, but we are all different.

Boris 08-23-2008 01:58 PM

This is cosmetic surgery.
The shape of the tip of her nose was changed and the small hump on top of the noses's bridge was removed (the latter being the more complicated procedure).
Surgery on a deviated septum does not lead to an alteration of the outside appearance of a nose. If any medical surgery was done at all, then cosmetic surgery was performed simultanously but seperately.

Angelica 08-23-2008 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetness (Post 814984)
I don't understand why Leitzia is being crucified for having her nose operated on primarily for medical reasons! Did Maxima and Rania receive the same level of criticism when they had their cosmetic surgeries?

I know about Rania and of course I've seen pictures of her before the operations :bang: but I knew nothing about Maxima :eek:!

Are there any pictures of the Princess of Orange before the plastic surgeries to compare them with the after surgery photos? Any articles which claim that?

Winnie 08-23-2008 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Boris (Post 815061)
This is cosmetic surgery.
The shape of the tip of her nose was changed and the small hump on top of the noses's bridge was removed (the latter being the more complicated procedure).
Surgery on a deviated septum does not lead to an alteration of the outside appearance of a nose. If any medical surgery was done at all, then cosmetic surgery was performed simultanously but seperately.

That is probably correct, but I personally believe the first concern was the deviated septum and while they were there ---what the heck -- fix everything. I certainly would have done that if my nose needed a tweek. I still, for the life of me, can't see a huge difference in the before and after. And I still can't see what she had done to her eyes, as someone prior said she had done. I am still amazed with her skin (Mary's also from Denmark) as that impresses me 100% more. No sun damage discoloration in such a warm climate is great at her age.

magnik 08-23-2008 03:27 PM

What's big deal about her operation/correction? That's her business. She is not the first royal who has done something it and not the last. Does other royals recive some criticism when they use botox or had face liftings?

About recovery after plastic surgery, it depend of the human (genes). One can has big signs of f.ex. nose job any other almost none.

rosana 08-23-2008 04:16 PM

I donīt see any problem, if she wanted to look better she had the right. But you donīt realize at thirty something that you have problems to breath. The thing is she doesnīt look better after the job, maybe because itīs too soon.

auntie 08-23-2008 04:16 PM

I think Letizia is and was a fantastic looking woman, but I think her face has lost some of it's character. It's all nice being perfect looking with even features, yet there was something so unique about her with the slight hook to her nose, and her slightly unperfect teeth (a little bit buck) and her protuding chin. She has much chic and good taste, a fantstic figure to boot. This nose job, (which was for mainly esthietetic reasons IMHO) will draw alot of criticsm, and I think it took away the personality from her face.:ermm:


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