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Jo of Palatine 10-06-2008 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by Menarue (Post 833025)
It is really hysterical because she described exactly what I think, no hard feelings towards anyone but I like to speak my mind and for me that is exactly what Miss Middleton is. If she gets her way and becomes a member of the royal family then of course I may have to modify my language but for now..... thatīs it.

Menarue, if you would know Catherine Middleton and her family and would say that you deem her to be an upstart, I would accept that. But somebody who has no personal acquaintance with a person and judges this person only by the background she was born into is IMHO a terrible snob. Especially when we are talking about a young lady who has so far coped very well with a unpleasant situation she finds herself in and can't do much about and obviously found favour not only with her Royal boyfriend but enough with his family to be welcomed to family weddings and celebrations. While you seem to think that other young girls are much worthier, only because they are princesses of the blood, so it's okay for them to be working as servants in shops and do nothing of any real consequence.

Catherine Middleton spend part of her gap year in Europe taking in art and learning languages. Beatrice of York has never been seen together with people who do not need to study "history of ideas" because they have these new ideas. Plato? Where will Beatrice find one person in her circle of friends to discuss Plato with on a level fitting of a student of this topic? Have we ever seen her in a museum or a library? Mingling with academics? Okay, she has Charles as her uncle and an assistant of Sir Richard Branson as her boyfriend. Probably she will end up as a "spokesperson" for Branson's ideas some day.
But someone who (according to a tabloid, okay, let's take that with a grain of salt) only just realises that there are aspects like "value for money" on shopping is hardly the person to really understand the historical background of why certain ideas came up, why some spread and others failed to find believers, why we still take about the thoughts and ideas of some people while others are long forgotten.

Long forgotten like all those aristocratic authors mocking the poorer, ordinary people in the days before the French revolution, for example. Justly forgotten while the declaration of the Rights of Manm and of the Citizen of 1789 is still very much known: article 1: "Men are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions can be founded only on the common utility." Or recall John Ball's idea (peasant's revolt, 1381):
"When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentilman?". Or the idea behind the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948: article 1: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights..."

I wonder if Beatrice of York will be able to understand what she will learn about "History of Ideas" once she learns about these "ideas" and their background....

Menarue 10-06-2008 03:02 PM

I hope you are not comparing Princess Beatrice with Kate Middleton. I disapprove of Princess Beatriceīs late nights and do nothing life but what I am saying that if there is any occasion a royal princess (in the UK) will always take precedence over any other than another royal princess or monarch. In this case I was saying that it would only be natural for the sister of the girlfriend of Prince William to move, this may not have been the case but if it was it was definitely not a snub, it was the ways things are done and even if Kate Middleton becomes the wife of Prince William I donīt think it is going to give her sister any great privileges besides being invited to family occasions with her sister etc. Princess Beatrice will always have precedence over her and also Kate until a when/if she becomes a princess. It is no Marie Antoinette thing, it is just the way it is done in the UK, but if there is a Republic in the future then of course things may change, but until now it seems it is still a monarchy.

Warren 10-07-2008 10:33 AM

From Plato to sitting in the front row at a fashion parade and all points in between...
Princess Beatrice discussion continues in part 12 which can be found here.


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