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Humera 01-12-2004 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by Sean.~@Jan 11th, 2004 - 11:21 am
It sounds like we have some similar interests. We're probably in the same age group too. I'd love to talk about Canadian and Islamic History one day (there sure are a lot of Canadians on this board).


Sean.

Well im 22.
from your posts though i'd have guessed you were in your 30s..i could be wrong :innocent:
Middle eastern history, esp the whole Israeli/Palestinian thing certainly doesnt sound like an easy field to be involved in..so complex and even stressful at times. I think Canadian history's relatively tame, though still interesting, in comparison.

Sean.~ 01-12-2004 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by ~*~Humera~*~+Jan 12th, 2004 - 9:42 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (~*~Humera~*~ &#064; Jan 12th, 2004 - 9:42 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sean.~@Jan 11th, 2004 - 11:21 am
It sounds like we have some similar interests. We&#39;re probably in the same age group too. I&#39;d love to talk about Canadian and Islamic History one day (there sure are a lot of Canadians on this board).


Sean.

Well im 22.
from your posts though i&#39;d have guessed you were in your 30s..i could be wrong :innocent:
Middle eastern history, esp the whole Israeli/Palestinian thing certainly doesnt sound like an easy field to be involved in..so complex and even stressful at times. I think Canadian history&#39;s relatively tame, though still interesting, in comparison. [/b][/quote]
We&#39;re not that far apart in age. I won&#39;t say here, but I&#39;m not in my 30s. :P I just started &#39;life&#39; very, very young.

Humera 01-12-2004 05:24 PM

I never thought guys had qualms about revealing their age..unless you&#39;re a girl? :o

Sean.~ 01-12-2004 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by ~*~Humera~*~@Jan 12th, 2004 - 4:24 pm
I never thought guys had qualms about revealing their age..unless you&#39;re a girl? :o
No, guys have qualms too. And last time I checked I was a guy :P.

My qualms have more to do with with this thread and the tone of some of the discussion and my desire for privacy rather than some kind of vanity (although I gues that has a little bit to do with it). And I shouldn&#39;t have asked you if I wasn&#39;t willing to reveal too. Anyway, I&#39;ll send you a PM.

S

nicole 01-14-2004 08:37 PM

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rania partaking in her favourtie pass time...shopping

nicole 01-14-2004 08:49 PM

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and again at Dior

Sean.~ 01-14-2004 11:48 PM

Nicole, you are bad&#33;&#33;&#33; ;) Have you seen the thread on Rania and her handbags? It made me laugh because the other day a previous poster stated &#39;so what if she has a few handbags&#39;. Well, after looking at those pics, it is not only clear that she has more than a few, but it is also clear as to why she has the sobriquet of handbag Queen.

Humble 01-15-2004 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by nicole@Jan 14th, 2004 - 7:49 pm
and again at Dior
Again serving her people (at Dior :P

USCtrojan 01-15-2004 01:25 AM

I think Rania is a wonderful woman. Truley beautiful and her people love her. HOWEVER, she really can&#39;t seem to stop shopping. I love to shop myself, but, if I were a Queen, Princess or anything of rank representing a country of people, I sure wouldn&#39;t be spending money/shopping the way she does.... Matte-Marit and Maxima are both the same way&#33; Nothing against these wemon however, I just think that there could be other things that they could be doing rahter than spending money and money&#33;&#33;&#33;

MG does she have some handbags&#33;

Sean.~ 01-15-2004 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by chanel@Jan 15th, 2004 - 12:25 am
I think Rania is a wonderful woman. Truley beautiful and her people love her.
They actually don&#39;t. That&#39;s the problem. It&#39;s those in the West that tend to love her.

sherbert 01-15-2004 03:06 AM

Oh my, wow. This is my first time posting here. I just wanted to hear about QRania&#39;s shoes. But the topic took an unexpected turn. I love the debates. Sean, thank you for all that information. I am a big news junkie and all, but in the US, we truly don&#39;t get that kind of information. But many Americans, with or without the US news, know how powerful the Zionist lobbyists are.

As for QRania being the handbag queen, lolz. That&#39;s funny. And then for her to say that the name came from upper class Jordanians who were jealous of her. :lol:
Yeah, the West does love her. If you pick up a copy of Vanity Fair, boy do they love her. Maybe that&#39;s why she does it. IMO, She doesn&#39;t look like the Queen of a 3rd world country seeking foreign aid. She needs to tone down her penchant for designer clothing and jewelry, and not make her country&#39;s people envious of her clothes and style. If anyone needs free or discounted clothing, it&#39;s the Jordanian people. She&#39;s the Jordanian queen, and needs to pay attention to her people. She should represent and work for them. I&#39;ve seen quite a few magazine photo shoots of her. It&#39;s surprising for a queen to take the time out to shoot magazine spreads.

However, I have heard her speak, and she is very intelligent. She also seems to be quite classy. Those who know of her in the West admire her for assimilating into western culture. Many in the West say she represents the modern Arab woman. QRania said in Vanity Fair that many women in Jordan dress like her. Now, I&#39;ve never been to Jordan, but by reading the posts, it doesn&#39;t come across as true. Maybe the upper class women do, I&#39;m not sure.

I also looked at pictures of Princess Lalla Salma of Morocco. She was dressed in Arab traditional dresses, and looked beautiful and smart. She came across as modern to me, and her personality did show. Women don&#39;t need to dress in Western style to be classy or modern. They can be beautiful in their own traditional clothing.

Anyhow, I&#39;m just fascinated by all the Middle Eastern royalty. I do have a question though. I always thought that Arab cultures and lifestyle were more conservative. Some of my Muslim friends who are Arab and Jordanian don&#39;t wear a veil, but cover their legs (wear long skirts or pants to their ankles) and don&#39;t wear sleeveless. But QRania dresses more liberal than this, with her sleeveless gowns, and knee length skirts. Do many women dress like that in that region? Or is it just the upper class or more educated who do? Is it looked down upon if they do show more skin? How does the general public in Jordan normally dress? In traditional clothing or Western clothing? Do they tend to wear long skirts or pants, or is anything shorter acceptable? I was just a bit surprised to see QRania dressed this way, when most of my Arab friends here in the States dress more conservative.

Thanks for reading this post. If anyone can answer this, it would be appreciated.

Sherbert

Sean.~ 01-15-2004 03:30 AM

Hello Sherbert,

Welcome.

Yes, the title of the thread is a bit misleading, no? In any event, thank you for your input and comments. Wtih regards to Rania&#39;s intelligence and her class, I will not deny that she does come across as such. However, she is relatively well educated and has been a member of the Royal Family for more than 10 years. Thus one would hope for her to have picked-up some skills. It is also easy to appear as intelligent and knowledgable when you know what questions are going to be asked of you (it is always the same line of questions). Indeed, I would not be suprised if the questions are put forth in advance, as with some other royals.


As far as the dress of other Jordanian women is concerned, most tend to dress conservatively. This doesn&#39;t mean that all have their heads covered or that they wear burquas. The wealthy may indeed wear designer clothes etc., but you have to realize that there aren&#39;t that many wealthy people in Jordan, at least not at the level of the Hashemite family. In any event, I highly doubt they spend as much as Rania does, but, even if they do it is irrelevant, as they are not the wife of the King. Perception is everything, after all.

With respect to other Arab countries, they do adhere to what we would consider an extremely conservative dress code. However, each country is different. Saudi Arabia is extreme, while countries like Lebanon, Iraq (at least it used to be), Egypt, and the Occupied Territories, are more liberal in their dress. Some will have their heads covered, while others will not. Actually, Lebenon isn&#39;t very conservative at all, at least not in the cities.

Conservative dress can actually be empowering for women, as ironic as that might sound. In Egypt, for instance, donning conservative dress actually empowers women insofar as it allows them to pursue paid employment, get involved in associational groups, etc. without raising too many eyebrows.

Finally, conservative dress is not limited to the lower classes. In Saudi all women (except foreigners) wear the burqa in public (at least they used to). The wealthy women wear designer clothes underneath. Also, if you look at the Sheika of Bahrain, you will note she always wears a burqua (but does not cover her face). In short, the Arab (and Muslim countries in general) countries have more conservative dress for both women AND men. However, the level of conservativeness differs from country to country and from region to region within countries. Socioeconomc status may or may not influence sytle of dress.

Sean.~

justine 01-15-2004 05:50 AM

so what is the general Jordanian opinion of their Queen who does not seem to be too modest in her appearance and rarely covers her head (which I realize is a personal choice in some regions, while some regions women don&#39;t seem to have a choice).

I always find it interesting when I see the wifes/Princesses/Queens of the Muslim countries when they are together at a summit. The range of dress in these women is quite large. From flashy to fully veiled.

alia_musallam 01-15-2004 06:22 AM

In my mind (as a jordanian who&#39;s never actually lived there) i don&#39;t think that people really respect her but it&#39;s not because she dresses immodestly coz she doesn&#39;t, but because she spends so much money on her clothes, her hair and her houses (they have just had their house in aqaba and their beach completely restructured, and i mean big time restructured). It is arguable how much of that money is actually the family fortune (which i&#39;m sure it all is), but it seems extremely extravagant when vast amounts of people in the south and east barely have enough to eat or even shoes to wear to be flying your helicopters down to aqaba every weekend to go to your new upgraded house. Also people don&#39;t like the nepotism that has surrounded her, such as her mother and her brother who now wield quite alot of power, and her close friends getting positions they would not get if it weren&#39;t for her... i suppose that wasta (connections) and patronage are a way of life in all arab societies, but i think that they should be setting an example in helping to establish some form of meritocratic system rather than doling out the highest posts in the administration to other princes and their followers.

The people like her husband mostly for the fact that he is his father&#39;s son, but that relationship does not apply in her case.

justine 01-15-2004 06:27 AM

thank you Alia. I realize by reading your reply that my question really applied to the superficial/appearance only. Of course the people of Jordan would be more concerned with the money that she spends on clothing and homes, instead of whether she appear modest.
It&#39;s late here in my time zone...I am not thinking/typing to clearly...lol

alia_musallam 01-15-2004 12:30 PM

no probs, i didn&#39;t think it was a silly question&#33; :)

Humera 01-15-2004 07:14 PM

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I also looked at pictures of Princess Lalla Salma of Morocco. She was dressed in Arab traditional dresses, and looked beautiful and smart. She came across as modern to me, and her personality did show. Women don&#39;t need to dress in Western style to be classy or modern. They can be beautiful in their own traditional clothing.
I made the exactly the same point in other thread a few days ago.
In terms of Muslim women and the way they dress, they&#39;re a very diverse group of people. Unlike western countries where everybody basically dresses the same, Muslim countries in the Middle East, Asia etc have very distinct traditional dresses. And thats one of the most attractive qualities about Islamic cultures...they&#39;re all beautiful and distinct in their own way.

Maybe we should have a thread devoted to traditional dresses from various regions of the world.

Blueice 01-15-2004 07:30 PM

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I also looked at pictures of Princess Lalla Salma of Morocco. She was dressed in Arab traditional dresses, and looked beautiful and smart. She came across as modern to me, and her personality did show. Women don&#39;t need to dress in Western style to be classy or modern. They can be beautiful in their own traditional clothing.&nbsp;



I made the exactly the same point in other thread a few days ago.
In terms of Muslim women and the way they dress, they&#39;re a very diverse group of people. Unlike western countries where everybody basically dresses the same, Muslim countries in the Middle East, Asia etc have very distinct traditional dresses. And thats one of the most attractive qualities about Islamic cultures...they&#39;re all beautiful and distinct in their own way.

Maybe we should have a thread devoted to traditional dresses from various regions of the world.

That is a great idea&#33; :flower:

Asma2 01-15-2004 07:36 PM

I agree, too.

Humera 01-15-2004 08:09 PM

Thank you Blueice and Asma :flower:
Im glad you liked the idea.
Now where to start this thread...how about the Beauty/Fashion forum?


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