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Royal Fan 04-23-2008 01:34 PM

I Dont think so really So will he do anything today St George Day in reguards to the appointment??

kimebear 04-23-2008 02:37 PM

The timing is unfortunate. I would imagine it has something to do with him being the 1,000th. Its the only reason I could see him being honored so early.

Skydragon 04-23-2008 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Royal Fan (Post 757713)
I Dont think so really So will he do anything today St George Day in reguards to the appointment??

It has undoubtedly cast a shadow over his appointment, IMO and many on the various forums and comments in many of the papers. Very few celebrate St. Georges Day, this is the 1st year the English flag has been hung outside No. 10, so hopefully this might change, but Wm has performed no public honouring of St George.

I celebrate the flag but not George, as I don't agree with slaying dragons! :lol::whistling:

magnik 04-23-2008 04:25 PM

Media Centre > Buckingham Palace press releases > Appointment of a new Garter Knight



List of Knights and Ladies of the Garter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rebafan81 04-23-2008 04:31 PM

I am happy for William but personally I think Harry deserves it more.

politikgirl 04-23-2008 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Al_bina (Post 757709)
Nothing surprising here. Both Prince William and Prince Harry will become a Knights of the Garter sooner or later... I agree with BeatrixFan and Amelia...The recent deeds of Prince William may cast a little shadow over his appointment.

Well said, and I agree. I don't think anyone's surprised by this appointment, and obviously it had to happen, since William is the Queen's grandson and the future King after his father, but I don't think he's done anything particularly worthwhile to deserve this honour, especially lately.

magnik 04-23-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by politikgirl (Post 757796)
Well said, and I agree. I don't think anyone's surprised by this appointment, and obviously it had to happen, since William is the Queen's grandson and the future King after his father, but I don't think he's done anything particularly worthwhile to deserve this honour, especially lately.

Agree. Become a KG only becouse is a future King and grandson of the present Queen... Btw comparing why not Harry he was in Iraq and fight... Will was only in UK.

andrew 04-23-2008 04:48 PM

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The monarchy is not an institution based on election, so it is obvious that there are a LOT of people who deserve the Garter better than Prince William, but they were not fortunate enough to be the first-born of the Prince of Wales. He is 25 now, so I guess that it was high time he got it. Royals are "extra" knights thus not in the same category as the other 26 knights. I'm sure that he will try his best to serve his country and monarch and one day will become himself a responsable monarch.

BeatrixFan 04-23-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by andrew (Post 757802)
The monarchy is not an institution based on election, so it is obvious that there are a LOT of people who deserve the Garter better than Prince William, but they were not fortunate enough to be the first-born of the Prince of Wales. He is 25 now, so I guess that it was high time he got it. Royals are "extra" knights thus not in the same category as the other 26 knights. I'm sure that he will try his best to serve his country and monarch and one day will become himself a responsable monarch.

What about Camilla? What about Birgitte? What about Katherine? All far more deserving as active full-time Royals (or have been in Katherine's case) than William.

HRH Kerry 04-23-2008 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by magnik (Post 757798)
Agree. Become a KG only becouse is a future King and grandson of the present Queen... Btw comparing why not Harry he was in Iraq and fight... Will was only in UK.


Ouch.;) A little less deserving then?

magnik 04-23-2008 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HRH Kerry (Post 757812)
Ouch.;) A little less deserving then?

Ohhh yes, I forgot about these few clubs, parties, choppers etc.;) :biggrin:


Btw I hope (why not) that WoW KG will be much more sense (and sesibility) than WoW.

wbenson 04-23-2008 05:41 PM

For William, it's never been a question of if he will be a Knight of the Garter. Assuming all goes normally and he is created Prince of Wales, he would automatically become a Knight of the Garter on his creation anyways.

And I agree that there are other deserving royals, but William's case is different because his future role is so much different.

Roslyn 04-23-2008 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Madame Royale (Post 757539)
More worthy of it than the Queen's own grandson and second in line to inherit? That's an interesting view but each to their own. Sooner or later he would have been created a Knight, so now is as good a time as any.

IMO the fact William is the Queen's grandson and second in line to the throne does not make him "worthy" of anything. I don't value people based on accident of birth alone, and it seems to me that that's the sole reason William has been given the Garter.

He will naturally progress through the various steps that first born sons of the Prince of Wales undergo, including getting this new feathery, velvety outfit, but IMO it's not a big deal, because it was inevitable and he didn't have to actually do anything to get it.

Skydragon 04-24-2008 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BeatrixFan (Post 757811)
What about Camilla? What about Birgitte? What about Katherine? All far more deserving as active full-time Royals (or have been in Katherine's case) than William.

Katherine would not want it, IMO. I know Harry has got his campaign medal (for the couple of weeks he did), but even he is more deserving than William.

Josefine 04-24-2008 09:56 AM

will there be a cermony?

Madame Royale 04-24-2008 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Roslyn (Post 757835)
IMO the fact William is the Queen's grandson and second in line to the throne does not make him "worthy" of anything. I don't value people based on accident of birth alone, and it seems to me that that's the sole reason William has been given the Garter.

Perhaps you're right. Maybe he has been bestowed this honour for no other reason than being second in line, but what would you then say about his father, who as a 10 year old boy, was created a Knight Companion of the Order of the Garter? Or even his grandfather who was created a Knight Companion for no other reason than marrying the then King's daughter.

In 1946 the power to name members was returned to the sovereign without government interference, which means the membership in the Order today thus fills it's original role as a mark of royal favour.

To be honest though, I'd much rather have read that Camilla was being created a Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order.

Madame Royale 04-24-2008 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Josefine (Post 758079)
will there be a cermony?

I believe it's going to be a private ceremony at Windsor Castle.

PrincessofEurope 04-24-2008 03:49 PM

yes the Duchess of Glouchester is a royal who is most deserving of becoming a Lady of the Garter

I always thought that William wouldnt get the Garter until he married i mean Andrew and Edward only got it in 2006 so maybe its a abit premature

So what year can we predict when Harry will be installed - at the same age so maybe 2010???

Also to note Princess Margaret was never installed into the Order of the Garter which seems strange since she was a the daughter and then sister of a Monarch

magnik 04-24-2008 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Madame Royale (Post 758094)
I believe it's going to be a private ceremony at Windsor Castle.

The number of knights is limited to 24, plus Royal knights. For much of its history, the Garter was limited to the aristocracy, but today the knights are from varied backgrounds. If there are vacancies in the Order, appointments are announced on St George's Day (23 April).
Every June, the Knights of the Garter gather at Windsor Castle, where new knights take the oath and are invested with the insignia. A lunch is given in the Waterloo Chamber, after which the knights process to a service in St George's Chapel, wearing their blue velvet robes (with the badge of the Order - St George's Cross within the Garter surrounded by radiating silver beams - on the left shoulder) and black velvet hats with white plumes.


The Queen (whose father George VI appointed her and her husband to the Order in 1947) attends the service as Sovereign of the Order. Other members of the Royal Family in the Order also attend, including The Duke of Edinburgh, The Prince of Wales and The Princess Royal.
The Monarchy Today > Queen and public > Honours > Order of the Garter

The Monarchy Today > Ceremony and symbol > Ceremonies > Garter Day

Btw. Does Wills coat of arms will change too?

CasiraghiTrio 04-24-2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Madame Royale (Post 757487)
It was just today, ysbel and I slightly touched on the issue of who next would be made a Knight of the Order of the Garter. There was some talk of the former Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, being created a Knight. but whether or not that is still possible I'm not sure.

Personally I don't find the former PM worthy of it so here's hoping someone within the UK is appointed.

But ....... er, pardon if I'm mistaken. From my understanding of the royal website's release, there was a footnote to the announcement explaining that the royal knights are "additional" to the regular appointees. So William's being knighted does not effect other appointments, I think. :ermm:


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