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Marty91charmed 09-22-2014 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tilia C. (Post 1704998)
I don't know, so I ask: did Caroline & EA have a religious wedding? Caroline's marriage with Junot was annulled; she was widowed from Stefano (whom she only married in a civil ceremony anyway). So she could have had another catholic wedding, but not with a divorced man like EA. I never heard whether they had a protestant wedding or only a civil ceremony.

The ony had a civil wedding.... As you said he was divorced:flowers:.

Even if he hadn't been divorced they wouldn't have had a protestant cermeony because the official religion of the Grimaldis and in monaco is catholicism:flowers:

Stefan 09-22-2014 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Marty91charmed (Post 1705002)
The ony had a civil wedding.... As you said he was divorced:flowers:.

Even if he hadn't been divorced they wouldn't have had a protestant cermeony because the official religion of the Grimaldis and in monaco is catholicism:flowers:

But his first marriage was a protestant and not a catholic one. You don't need an annulment to have a second protestant Wedding Church.

Marty91charmed 09-22-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1705003)
But his first marriage was a protestant and not a catholic one. You don't need an annulment to have a second protestant Wedding Church.

Yes, he is protestant but Caroline is NOT...They married in Monaco with the monaco law... I mean if he hadn't been divorced they would marry only civil the same since Caroline wouldn't be allowed to marry with a protestant ceremony... Caroline is catholic....the state religion in Monaco is catholicism

An you are probably confused because it's caroline who had an annulment and not Ernst...

Caroline had a first catholic wedding which then was annulled... Sinc Ernst is not protestant the catholic church wouldn't have allowed the marriage (if he had been unmarried) because of the different religion... He would have had to convert to the catholicismHence the civil marriage. Hope to be clear...

melina premiere 09-22-2014 02:56 PM

Caroline had a civil ceremony of wedding in the palace on january 23th 1999, It was her birthday and she was expecting Alexandra

Lee-Z 09-22-2014 03:14 PM

it's easy for me to say that if my relationship went that way, i'd divorce...but there must be some reason that they choose not to..

capri 09-22-2014 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by melina premiere (Post 1705127)
Caroline had a civil ceremony of wedding in the palace on january 23th 1999, It was her birthday and she was expecting Alexandra

I had read that next month (26 February 1999), in Ernest's birthday they had a religion (protestant) ceremony in Hannover, in the chapel of Ernest's castle.

Stefan 09-22-2014 04:24 PM

There is also the option of an oecumenical Wedding Service which is either leed by a Priest of the catholic Church or a protestant Pastor. ususally the Pastor/Priest of the other religion also participates. This was for example done at the Wedding of Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia and Princess Sophie of Isenburg. The marriage was performed by a protestant astor in a protestant Church but also a catholic celebrant participated in it.
And as Ernst August had not been married in the catholic Church such a Service could have been held by a catholic Priest. And i believe you can also have a catholic marriage whitout converting.

Marty91charmed 09-22-2014 04:50 PM

I think that doesn't apply to the family of monaco... Caroline would probably have lost her right to throne... (I'm not sure about this anyway). But I really think that the princely family can only marry in a catholic way... Plus for the chuch Ernst was a divorcee... You should ask to someoen who knows more but I believe that a marriage in a catholic church is the only chance for the family

FanofMonaco 09-22-2014 05:06 PM

When PA married Charlene he said that it was not a requirement that she convert to Catholicism.

Tosca 09-25-2014 12:32 PM

The Orthodox and the Protestants receive baptism, just like the Catholics. So in the eyes of the Roman Catholic Church every person who's been christened is viewed as a Catholic, thus Ernst had to get his marriage to Chantal annuled prior to marrying Caroline, which didn't happen.

Warren 09-25-2014 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wyevale
Caroline values her HRH above practically anything.. If divorced she would revert to a measly HSH...

Princess Caroline is currently HRH The Princess of Hanover.
If she and Prince Ernst August divorced she would become HRH Caroline, Princess of Hanover.
She would only lose her Hanover title and the style of Royal Highness if she remarried.

Al_bina 10-12-2014 07:30 PM

https://ru-royalty.livejournal.com/2533093.html

The above link contains photos of Prince Ernst August and his companion in attending Oktoberfest 2014.

iceflower 10-23-2014 04:06 PM

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Prince Ernst-August and his girlfriend Simona attended the inauguration of an exhibition of Jeweler Köchert on the occasion of its 200-year-anniversary in Vienna, Austria on October 22:



** Pic ** bunte.de: Mit seiner Geliebten beim Sisi-Juwelier! ** translation ** IBL gallery ** vienna.at **

Kit 10-23-2014 04:13 PM

He even gave interviews to ORF and RTL at the exhibition. He actually seemed to be very happy and in a really good mood. I think the relationship is quite serious and makes him happy.

Duke of Marmalade 10-24-2014 01:29 AM

Ernst August von Hannover: Neue Geliebte Simona posiert vor Caroline-Porträt! - Royals - Bild.de

There is a picture of Caroline in the background... :tongue:

MARG 10-24-2014 05:43 AM

:previous: That man takes being a classic Cad to it's deepest level!

maria-olivia 10-24-2014 06:40 AM

I hope the Romanian Bimbo Simona will not be pregnant .

fandesacs2003 10-24-2014 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 1713704)

That's true. Where is this pic being taken?

Tilia C. 10-24-2014 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fandesacs2003 (Post 1713804)
That's true. Where is this pic being taken?

It was taken at an exhibition opening at Vienna jeweller Köchert. The headline of the article says she's "posing in front of o picture of Princess Caroline". But to be fair, she isn't exactly posing. The picture gives the impression that the couple just walk from room to room with the photographers present. EA and Simone are probably not even aware that there is a small photo of Caroline on the wall.

Lee-Z 10-24-2014 10:11 AM

Well it's hardly like she's actually purposefully posing with the photo of P.Caroline... imo a bit of "Bild-klatsch" must still be slow news season ;)
Bit of unfortunate (or fortunate depending on the way you look at it) timing by the photographer ;)

ETA: you beat me to it Tilia :smile:

Stefan 06-01-2015 04:01 PM

Princess Alexandra of Hannover, née Princess zu Ysenburg and Büdingen in Wächtersbach died on Monday 01.06.2015 at the age of 77 from cancer.
Journal Frankfurt Nachrichten - Frankfurt trauert um Alexandra Prinzessin von Hannover - Charity Lady ist gestorben

MAfan 06-02-2015 08:56 AM

Thanks for posting the news.
IIRC she had a long career as a politician for CDU in Frankfurt, hadn't she?

Stefan 06-03-2015 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 1785605)
Thanks for posting the news.
IIRC she had a long career as a politician for CDU in Frankfurt, hadn't she?

Yes she was a member of the CDU and for a long time a member of the city council of Frankfurt.
i have translated the Article for my Blog: https://royaltravel.wordpress.com/20...a-of-hannover/

Stefan 06-06-2015 10:44 AM

According to Marlene König Princess Monika of Hannover, née Countess zu Solms-Laubach died on 04.06.2015. She was the second wife and widow of the late Prince Ernst August of Hannover, who was born as the Hereditary Prince of Brunswick in 1914.

MAfan 06-07-2015 02:49 PM

The funeral of Princess Alexandra of Hannover was celebrated yesterday afternoon at the Family Cemetery of the Princely House of Ysenburg und Büdingen, in Büdingen, where the Princess has been buried.
Among the 200 mourners were Prince Heinrich and Princess Thyra of Hannover, the Landgrave of Hesse, Prince Michael zu Löwenstein-Wertheim-Rosenberg (himself a CDU politician, like the late Princess).

Alexandra Prinzessin von Hannover (â€*77): Abschied von Frankfurts liebster Prinzessin - Frankfurt - Bild.de

dbarn67 06-09-2015 09:20 AM

The funeral of Princess Alexandra of Hanover

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Thyra Prinzessin von Hannover, Prince Heinrich of Hanover

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MAfan 06-09-2015 05:08 PM

Thanks for those pictures.
So apparently also the Leiningens and Prince Christian of Hannover were in attendance.

fearghas 06-10-2015 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 1788473)
Thanks for those pictures.
So apparently also the Leiningens and Prince Christian of Hannover were in attendance.

Is Prince Cristian the tall blond man in all four pictures? And is Furst Leiningen the older man in picture 3? If so who is the younger woman walking with him and does anyone know who the other women are?

MAfan 06-10-2015 03:34 AM

Yes, the tall blond man is indeed Prince Christian, while the older man is Fürst Andreas zu Leiningen.

I'm not sure abut the ladies, but maybe the younger could be Princess Olga zu Leiningen.

Nadine 06-10-2015 02:21 PM

Thanks for the pics! I like to see Princess Caroline's step-children. :flowers: Too bad there are no pics of Prince Ernst Jr. or Princess Alexandra (Princess Caroline's daughter)....

MAfan 06-10-2015 04:50 PM

Royal Musings has published the death notice of Princess Monika of Hannover:
Royal Musings: Death Notice: HRH Princess Monika of Hannover

Her funeral will take place on Saturday 13 June in Laubach.

fandesacs2003 09-12-2015 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 1788748)
Royal Musings has published the death notice of Princess Monika of Hannover:
Royal Musings: Death Notice: HRH Princess Monika of Hannover

Her funeral will take place on Saturday 13 June in Laubach.

Prince Ernst August V didn't attend his stepmother funeral?
I tried to download the announcement but resolution too bad. Nevertheless I think that I read that it was him making the announcement.
Any pics?

Stefan 09-13-2015 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fandesacs2003 (Post 1819180)
Prince Ernst August V didn't attend his stepmother funeral?
I tried to download the announcement but resolution too bad. Nevertheless I think that I read that it was him making the announcement.
Any pics?

Yes the announcment was made by him. He also did not attend the funeral of his aunt Princess Alexandra which was only a few days before the funeral of Princess Monika.

cdm 09-13-2015 06:37 AM

The announcement is also made 'in name of his wife the Princess of Hannover'

fandesacs2003 09-13-2015 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cdm (Post 1819328)
The announcement is also made 'in name of his wife the Princess of Hannover'

Normal. They are not officially divorced.
Did his sons attend the funeral of their stepgrandmother?

Stefan 09-13-2015 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fandesacs2003 (Post 1819397)
Did his sons attend the funeral of their stepgrandmother?

Yes they attended as did their mother.

Kit 10-08-2015 02:20 PM

RTL and Vox are reporting that Ernst August and his girlfriend Simona have broken up. Apparently she already works for a nightclub again. Don't know how reliable these reports are but both TV stations are already speculating if there will be a reconciliation with Caroline. Well one never knows but I think that's unlikely.

wyevale 10-08-2015 02:29 PM

I annot see why Caroline wuld want a reconciliation.. Her daughter must be used to separated parents by now, and Caroline already enjoys what she most wanted from the match.. HRH status.. why would she want a reconciliation with a man who is notably volatile, and has/had a MAJOR drink problem ?

Duchessmary 10-09-2015 11:02 AM

Just my opinion, but this guy is a total LOSER. Who cares about his illicit relationships?

Duc_et_Pair 10-10-2015 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Duchessmary (Post 1827548)
Just my opinion, but this guy is a total LOSER. Who cares about his illicit relationships?

His family cares. His spouse cares. His friends care.

:flowers:

Plenty of examples in royal marriages which seemed on the rocks but where the partners have re-found each other. Note that the Prince and Princess of Hannover are still a married couple. As his spouse the Princess still will inherit at minimum half of the Prince's private properties and vice-versa (!). That the couple never divorced is telling for a certain mutual agreement both made.

Florestane 10-10-2015 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wyevale (Post 1827316)
Caroline already enjoys what she most wanted from the match.. HRH status..

I completely disagree, we have no proof that Caroline wanted to be HRH more than anything -if that were the case why did she bother marrying either of her first husbands. It's not even a real HRH.

MARG 10-10-2015 07:16 PM

:previous: What is a "real" HRH and what is fake about the Hanoverian HRH's?

Curryong 10-10-2015 07:26 PM

:previous: Isn't it because all the legal privileges of royalty and nobility were abolished in Germany in 1919? Titles can be used but only as part of a person's name.

Florestane 10-11-2015 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MARG (Post 1827954)
:previous: What is a "real" HRH and what is fake about the Hanoverian HRH's?

What Curryong said. At least Caroline's HSH is "real" as her family still governs. The Hanoverian HRH is not "real" in that Germany is a republic and titles are not legally recognized.

I know Caroline is, and always has been, very aware of her position but I think there was a little more to wanting marriage with Ernst than a desire to be an HRH.

Iluvbertie 10-11-2015 01:24 AM

She was pregnant at the time so maybe she also wanted a legitimate status for her child.

Duc_et_Pair 10-11-2015 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Florestane (Post 1827985)
What Curryong said. At least Caroline's HSH is "real" as her family still governs. The Hanoverian HRH is not "real" in that Germany is a republic and titles are not legally recognized.

I know Caroline is, and always has been, very aware of her position but I think there was a little more to wanting marriage with Ernst than a desire to be an HRH.

Note that HRH is no title at all and is a form of address which is still in use. Like Your Excellency for an Ambassador, Your Eminence for a Cardinal, Your Honour for a Judge. Like in Spain Don Jaime de Marichalar (who has no title but is the son of a Count) is addressed as Excelentísimo Señor.

The HRH of the Hannoverians is perfectly real since they are listed as such in the Almanach de Gotha and the Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, the Bibles for all royal and noble Houses. As son of Prince Ernst August of Hannover, Duke of Braunschweig and Lüneburg and of Princess Ortrud of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg there is nothing "fake" about the Hannoverian blue blood. Their impressive castles, almost collapsing under the numerous priceless historic collections, are proof of their greatness, with even "delivering" Kings of Great Britain. The fact that Germany is now a republic does not change that.

maria-olivia 10-11-2015 06:17 AM

Clever explanation I agree 100%.

Florestane 10-11-2015 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1828012)
Note that HRH is no title at all and is a form of address which is still in use. Like Your Excellency for an Ambassador, Your Eminence for a Cardinal, Your Honour for a Judge. Like in Spain Don Jaime de Marichalar (who has no title but is the son of a Count) is addressed as Excelentísimo Señor.

The HRH of the Hannoverians is perfectly real since they are listed as such in the Almanach de Gotha and the Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, the Bibles for all royal and noble Houses. As son of Prince Ernst August of Hannover, Duke of Braunschweig and Lüneburg and of Princess Ortrud of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg there is nothing "fake" about the Hannoverian blue blood. Their impressive castles, almost collapsing under the numerous priceless historic collections, are proof of their greatness, with even "delivering" Kings of Great Britain. The fact that Germany is now a republic does not change that.

I didn't say there was anything fake about Hanoverian "blue" blood - I made the point that Caroline is not so superficial to marry for a HRH title, style, whatever it is... when her HSH title, style, whatever it is... actually has legitimate meaning as she comes from a family that actually governs - unlike the Hanovers.

And thank you, I am fully aware of the Hanover history and links to the British Royal family.

Duc_et_Pair 10-11-2015 09:34 AM

Well legitimate or not, even by the palais princier itself she is referred as HRH The Princess of Hannover: https://www.palais.mc/fr/la-famille-p...aphie-1-8.html

When the Right Honourable Jeremy B. Corbyn has his way and vests the British Republic we may assume that then Prince Charles or Prince William are no longer a HRH anymore, following your way of thinking?

Florestane 10-11-2015 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair (Post 1828132)
Well legitimate or not, even by the palais princier itself she is referred as HRH The Princess of Hannover: https://www.palais.mc/fr/la-famille-p...aphie-1-8.html

When the Right Honourable Jeremy B. Corbyn has his way and vests the British Republic we may assume that then Prince Charles or Prince William are no longer a HRH anymore, following your way of thinking?

And again, I am aware of how she is styled by the Monegasque palace, by other "royal" families, by the world and his wife.

And again, my point was that HRH was not, in my opinion, Caroline's main reason for marrying (or staying married to) Prince Ernst - she may have many faults but I don't think superficiality is one of them.

Jeremy Corbyn ain't gonna get no British Republic, but in that unlikely event, Charles and William, who would most probably legally be Messrs. Mountbatten-Windsor, can call themselves what they want.

Rudolph 10-11-2015 01:48 PM

Caroline being a Serene Highness in a sovereign nation trumps being a HRH of a family that hasn't ruled for almost 100 years.

Florestane 10-11-2015 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudolph (Post 1828205)
Caroline being a Serene Highness in a sovereign nation trumps being a HRH of a family that hasn't ruled for almost 100 years.

Nicely put - why didn't I just say that? 😱

Duke of Marmalade 10-18-2015 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kit (Post 1827313)
RTL and Vox are reporting that Ernst August and his girlfriend Simona have broken up. Apparently she already works for a nightclub again. Don't know how reliable these reports are but both TV stations are already speculating if there will be a reconciliation with Caroline. Well one never knows but I think that's unlikely.

Ernst August von Hannover trennt sich von seiner Simona - Leute - Bild.de

Bunte has this as cover story. Simona went back to the escort service where she met EA. They claim that she decided to leave and that EA has health problems (nothing new). Maybe she wanted more than being a mistress and she probably has the chance to marry one of her sugar daddys. The brothel Babylon, where she works, has a picture of her and two colleagues online as advertisement (topless).

I think Caroline and EA have an agreement for many years, they remain loyal to each other but nothing more. I don't think there will ever be a divorce and there will be no rekindled romance either.

fandesacs2003 10-18-2015 07:02 AM

I feel sorry for Alexandra. Anyway, it is better they split. Imagine if he divorced to marry her? And make her the next HRH THE Princess of Hannover

Lee-Z 02-20-2016 11:54 AM

Dutch gossip mag "Prive" quotes Bunte with an article "Where is Ernst-August of Hannover" who apparently hasn't been seen since 2014

Waar is Ernst von Hannover?|Prive| Telegraaf.nl

translation

fandesacs2003 02-20-2016 12:15 PM

I can't read the whole article. It seems locked. Anyway, that is true that except the Octoberfest and a couple of few other appearances he seems vanished from the outside world. Sad.

Missy- 05-16-2016 10:28 PM

Has Ernst August resurfaced yet, has anyone seen or heard?

Lee-Z 04-20-2017 12:55 PM

Read that Ernst August has been admitted to a hospital for an operation...anyone have more info on this? I don't think he's been seen for a while (at least not publicly)?

Blog Real 04-20-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee-Z (Post 1978058)
Read that Ernst August has been admitted to a hospital for an operation...anyone have more info on this? I don't think he's been seen for a while (at least not publicly)?

Where can I see information about this?

Ernst August of Hanover: In the helicopter to emergency surgery!

Ernst August of Hannover was seriously ill and had to undergo a vascular operation.

The long medical history of Ernst August von Hannover (63) was always public. To his pancreatic inflammation, the palace in Monaco issued a communiqué. After a knee surgery, his doctor invited him to a press conference. And now Princess Caroline (60) is deeply concerned because her husband had to undergo emergency surgery.

The Welfenprinz was flown with the helicopter into the country hospital in the Austrian Feldkirch. In the clinic one is familiar with prominent patients. Princess Alexia of the Netherlands (11) was operated in Feldkirch in March after a ski accident. Her uncle Prince Friso († 44) was treated here. Ernst August of Hanover underwent a vascular operation in the department of Wolfgang Hofmann. He is a specialist for the treatment of narrowed or closed veins.
Ernst August von Hannover: Im Helikopter zur Not-OP! | BUNTE.de

eya 04-20-2017 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee-Z (Post 1978058)
Read that Ernst August has been admitted to a hospital for an operation...anyone have more info on this? I don't think he's been seen for a while (at least not publicly)?

According this he is in hospital with heart problems (thanks Lee-Z)

Ernst August von Hannover: Im Helikopter zur Not-OP! | BUNTE.de

Lee-Z 04-21-2017 01:35 AM

Yes, that's where i read it (and in dutch gossip mag, but i think that gets it's info from Bunte), but i wasn't sure if we could quote Bunte (with the reputation that has) so i was wondering if other media had picked the story up...

lazuli 04-21-2017 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Blog Real (Post 1978085)
Ernst August of Hanover: In the helicopter to emergency surgery!

Ernst August of Hannover was seriously ill and had to undergo a vascular operation.

The long medical history of Ernst August von Hannover (63) was always public. To his pancreatic inflammation, the palace in Monaco issued a communiqué. After a knee surgery, his doctor invited him to a press conference. And now Princess Caroline (60) is deeply concerned because her husband had to undergo emergency surgery.

The Welfenprinz was flown with the helicopter into the country hospital in the Austrian Feldkirch. In the clinic one is familiar with prominent patients. Princess Alexia of the Netherlands (11) was operated in Feldkirch in March after a ski accident. Her uncle Prince Friso († 44) was treated here. Ernst August of Hanover underwent a vascular operation in the department of Wolfgang Hofmann. He is a specialist for the treatment of narrowed or closed veins.
Ernst August von Hannover: Im Helikopter zur Not-OP! | BUNTE.de

I hope he gets well soon!!! :sad:

iceflower 05-19-2017 06:40 AM

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Heinrich, Prince of Hanover, attended the book presentation of the book "The Welfen at Lake Traun" at the Castle Cumberland yesterday, May 18:


** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 **

Duke of Marmalade 06-25-2017 10:44 AM

Ernst August von Hannover: Exklusiv-Fotos in BUNTE: Nach Jahren wieder aufgetaucht! | BUNTE.de

Ernst August sr. has resurfaced after years of absence, apparently in good health, holidaying on a yacht around Ibiza with friends and his younger son Christian.
Speculations are in full swing now if he will attend the wedding of his older son in July.

fandesacs2003 07-04-2017 02:32 PM

Apparently Prince EA has financial argues with his son and won't attend the wedding
Conflit dans la famille de Hanovre https://www.parismatch.com/Royal-Blog...anovre-1299656
From Paris Match

lazuli 07-05-2017 10:58 AM

A sad, messy business...

Ernst of Hannover publicly opposes to his son's wedding four days before it happens

Ernesto de Hannover se opone públicamente a la boda de su hijo a cuatro días de producirse


https://Ernesto de Hannover se opone públicamente a la boda de su hijo a cuatro días de producirse"

maria-olivia 07-09-2017 08:26 AM

I read the Royal Musings and learned a lot about Ernst August IV , son of Viktoria Luise of Prussia and Ernst August V's Father.

He had a natural son with Baroness Marie Anna von Humbold-Dachroeden , wife of Prince Hubert of Hannover on December 27 th 1943. He is tittled Christian Freiherr von Humbold-Dachroeden and attended the yesterday Weddng. (His Children are Queen Victoria descendants )

In 1951 Ernst August obliged marrying Princess Ortrud of Schleswig Holstein , they had 6 Children. the eldest son is Prince Ernst August V .

Widowed , he married in 1980 Monique de Solms-Laubach , having no relationship anymore with his family he died in 1987.

He also had a difficult relationship with his Mother who survived her Brothers Princes of Prussia.

So this seems to be in the Hannover Genes ....

Duke of Marmalade 08-03-2017 07:19 AM

Bunte has found out that there is another brother to Ernst August sr who was born out of wedlock
Ernst August von Hannover: Unehelicher Bruder von Carolines Mann aufgetaucht | BUNTE.de

maria-olivia 08-03-2017 10:18 AM

He attend the Wedding

eya 03-19-2018 02:31 PM

Prince Ernst August hospitalized after the Wedding of his son

https://translate.googleusercontent....vMf3IKslYVPz3A

carlota 03-20-2018 07:07 PM

what was the cause of ernst being hospitalised in lima just after the wedding?

Moonmaiden23 03-20-2018 07:21 PM

My worst fear is that he went on a bender and had too much to drink and became ill. :ermm:

carlota 03-22-2018 04:56 AM

apparently ernst august father had to be put in an induced comma in lima following having drunk too much alcohol at the wedding, royal musings reports:

Royal Musings: Prince Ernst August place in a coma after too much drinking

apparently pierre casiraghi stayed by his bedside, probably covering for son christian, who was (understandably) at his wedding party. i thought that was a kind gesture on behalf of pierre. christian left the party to go to hospital to be with his dad.

i find it all rather sad. poor christian and alessandra to have their wedding ending like this.

apparently initially they reported ernst august suffered food poisoning 'which is common in south america' as his lawyer reported. in my opinion, makes christian and alessandra look badly, as if they didn't properly take care of their guests when it was actually not true and the lawyer was trying to cover for the father's behaviour.

Somebody 03-22-2018 05:57 AM

Indeed a really bad move by his lawyer. Putting the blame on someone else (or your new daughter-in-laws country) while you yourself are the one who cannot control yourself.

Duke of Marmalade 03-22-2018 06:10 AM

https://www.bunte.de/royals/royals-w...=royalsBlock_1

Bunte is usually well informed regarding Monaco and Hanover, they stick with the alcohol excess version while other media go with the food poisoning. Maybe be mix of both, anything is possible with EA. He already missed the wedding of Felipe and Letizia because he got hammered the night before, causing great embarrassment to Caroline who had to show up alone.

Marengo 03-22-2018 06:44 AM

That was a sensible and kind thing to do of Pierre Casiraghi: making sure the groom and bride could continue their wedding while also protecting his younger sister from carrying to much responsibility. The article states that Prince Christian visited his father in the hospital and said that Pierre Casiraghi stayed overnight.

It is rather sad that none of EA's other relatives, eldest son or sibling(s) accompanied him instead of his stepson. I suppose that in his destruction he has burnt too many bridges.

Attending 4 days of parties may not be the best thing for an alcoholic to do. Fortunately this only happened after the wedding and not before.

moby 03-22-2018 07:21 AM

How very sad. Pierre being there was a very responsible thing for him to do. He probably did it for Alexandra more than anyone else. Poor Alexandra too, this is one time we can confirm she and her father are in the same room and he ends up at the hospital.

maria-olivia 03-22-2018 08:02 AM

Ernst August V didn't want to see Ernst August Jr.

wyevale 03-22-2018 08:09 AM

What an appalling embarrassment Ernst August V is...

Moonmaiden23 03-22-2018 11:38 AM

:previous: He is unfortunately very ill with a chronic, destructive and merciless disease.

I doubt if he flew to Lima purposely intending to disgrace his family and cause them pain. Causing embarrassment to loved ones is a consequence of this illness but it's not the biggest tragedy of it all.

I have compassion for E-A Sr's loved ones but also for the Prince himself in the time he may have left.

It will have a very ugly ending...I should know. I've seen it up close.:sad:

ETA: Regardless of snide remarks online and in print about Princess Caroline's offspring(Casiraghis) being spoiled and privileged, this confirms my opinion that she has raised essentially decent and well bred children.

Al_bina 03-22-2018 04:59 PM

It is unfortunate that Prince Ernst August V spoilt Prince Christian's wedding.

Zonk 03-22-2018 06:05 PM

How fortunate of the Prince that his stepson was available (for whatever reason...his feelings about Ernst A Sr or because of his younger sister was there) to assist him.

It looks like the father has truly burned his bridges...wasn't Ernst Jr. at the wedding? I guess when you boycott your sons's wedding (and hey he wouldn't be the first to not to
like the person their child marries) and say not so nice things about your daughter in law...your son won't be there when you need him.

Hopefully this is the wake up call he needs...and he will get some help.

Denville 03-22-2018 06:11 PM

At his age, i'd say unlikely he is going to improve or change...

Moonmaiden23 03-22-2018 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Al_bina (Post 2084949)
It is unfortunate that Prince Ernst August V spoilt Prince Christian's wedding.

I don't think he did. It seemed, overall, to be a magnificent occasion despite the father of the groom's crisis afterward.

MARG 03-22-2018 07:32 PM

I understand Ernst august not wanting to see his eldest son. He has been cleaning up his father's mess for some time and I believe he wants to spare himself the inevitable recrimination. Some degree of amity must have existed between him and Christian since he was invited to the wedding (I'm assuming that is the reason Caroline was not present) although whether that will survive this debacle remains to be seen.

As to his stepson Pierre Casiraghi, I am sure he has encouraged his stepbrother to continue on with his honeymoon and is standing in his stead. It must be very hard for Ernst August Jnr to be caught between love and obligation and Pierre's support is all the more kind. Caroline must be very proud of all her children both natural and by marriage but in this instance, Pierre has shown compassion to his stepfather and love for his sister and stepbrothers.

Moonmaiden23 03-22-2018 11:02 PM

:previous:

Princess Caroline did not attend the weddings of either of her Hanover step sons even though she (and obviously her children ) enjoy close relationships with them.

I imagine that Caroline's absence has to do with the feelings of her former friend Chantal, the mother of E-A Jr and Christian.

The friendship ended when Caroline embarked on an affair with Chantal's then husband Ernst Sr.

Countessmeout 03-22-2018 11:55 PM

:previous: Likely a mix of respect to Chantal, and also her own relationship with her husband. If Caroline and Ernst were still married in more then name, she may have accompanied her husband (well to the wedding he did attend). But considering they are estranged and married in nothing but name, she may have felt even more out of place. Her ex wasn't even at one to begin with.

Caroline's kids have known their step siblings before they became step siblings. And have remained close even though the marriage has fallen apart. It is no surprise they continue to support each other.

It was nice Pierre was at the hospital with his stepfather. I am sure no matter any issues with his dad, it made Christian feel better knowing someone was with his dad and he could enjoy his marriage. Even Ernst Jr probably did too. And Alexandra likely could use the support of her big brother in this too.

Duke of Marmalade 03-23-2018 12:23 AM

Because there was never an announcement on the status of the marriage (still married but not seen together/living apart) it will be impossible to be seen at any event that deserves its own focus, such as family festivities. Seeing Caroline and EA together would overshadow everything else.
I can easily imagine that the relationship between Caroline and Chantal is cordial again after such a long time and how things have developed, Caroline always seemed to support the Hanover Boys in difficult circumstances.
IMO it’s a good thing that Caroline stays away, having to cope with EA and his uncontrolled behavior is alreday a big enough task, and she should especially stay away from the dispute between EA jr and sr.

Moonmaiden23 03-23-2018 12:36 AM

:previous: But if, as you suppose, the relationship of Caroline and Chantal is cordial then why did Caroline not attend the wedding of E-A Jr in Hanover last summer with her children? He is the Heir. It was a fairly big Royal occasion.

She knew her estranged husband would not be present because he had made it very clear he wouldn't in a series of bellicose press interviews in the lead up to the event.

It would have been a show of sympathy and support to the step son to whom she remains close imo.

No. For that reason I am not convinced that Caroline and Chantal are now cordial.

Duke of Marmalade 03-23-2018 01:00 AM

Of course it’s all speculation but for me the reason for Caroline not to attend EA jr wedding was not the possible non-relationship with Chantal but staying neutral in the conflict between father and son, her attendance could have provoked EA sr because it would have meant publicly taking sides.
Caroline’s children are a different matter.

fandesacs2003 03-28-2018 05:25 PM

PC Ernst August Sr is a so sad live example of how we might have such luck in our life and destroy everything. Born in a high rank family, very rich, with a first anf then a second loving wife, 3 nice kids and 3 also nice stepkids, a large cercle of friends and possibility to do such nice thinks in your privileged life,.. And what do you only do? Drink and poison you and your family !
Don't forget that he had a brother dead by drugs or suicide, I'm not sure, the Hannover genes are autodestruction only.

JR76 03-29-2018 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by fandesacs2003 (Post 2086614)
PC Ernst August Sr is a so sad live example of how we might have such luck in our life and destroy everything. Born in a high rank family, very rich, with a first anf then a second loving wife, 3 nice kids and 3 also nice stepkids, a large cercle of friends and possibility to do such nice thinks in your privileged life,.. And what do you only do? Drink and poison you and your family !
Don't forget that he had a brother dead by drugs or suicide, I'm not sure, the Hannover genes are autodestruction only.

There are quite advanced theories about addiction being partly a disease and partly a product of your environment. Having myself grown up with an alcoholic father I both pity Ernst August for letting his addiction destroy his life and I despise him for letting it destroy the life of his family.

Gawin 03-29-2018 07:05 PM

Marlene Koenig posted an article about Ernst August's behavior at his son Christian's wedding:

Royal Musings: Oh, what a Hanover

Moonmaiden23 03-29-2018 07:13 PM

:previous: Oh dear God....this is worse than I thought.

I read somewhere else that Princess Caroline was backing her stepson E-A Jr against her estranged husband. His children and stepchildren boycotting his planned party might have really pushed E-A Sr over the edge.:sad:

What a sad, sordid side note to what sounds like a magnificent wedding.

Lee-Z 03-30-2018 01:22 AM

Initially i had thought that his antics were limited to that day he end up jn intensive care, but he basically misbehaved throughout the week (and already drank more than he should have in the week before in Kenya), before ending up in hospital...

Tragic for the family (well, and for himself, but i find it hard to sympathize, i must admit...)

HereditaryPrincess 03-30-2018 05:13 PM

I've never been a fan of Ernst August and these reports just confirm my feelings...

I don't think it was a wise idea to invite him to the wedding in the first place - I know he's the groom's father and all, but clearly the family know that he will just cause trouble wherever he goes (not that this is a complaint on them, because this must be a very difficult situation for them). In these sorts of situations it's best for his children to have limited contact with him - it seems harsh, but one never knows what someone in this state could be capable of. I'm glad Caroline told her children not to go to the dinner he organised.

Gawin 03-30-2018 05:35 PM

I have the impression he went to Christian's wedding simply to emphasize that while his oldest son's marriage doesn't have his blessing, Christian's does.

HereditaryPrincess 03-31-2018 06:18 PM

:previous: That would sound like a very "Ernst August" reasoning, I'm afraid.

rominet09 03-31-2018 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gawin (Post 2087194)
I have the impression he went to Christian's wedding simply to emphasize that while his oldest son's marriage doesn't have his blessing, Christian's does.

Very likely I think !

zarat 04-01-2018 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Somebody (Post 2084664)
Indeed a really bad move by his lawyer. Putting the blame on someone else (or your new daughter-in-laws country) while you yourself are the one who cannot control yourself.

It would sound better if some "digestive or acclimatisation problems' were cited. "Food poisoning" is more pejorative and implicates some fault.


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