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Mandy 03-22-2008 02:38 AM

Prince Ernst August (V) and the Royal House of Hanover (March 2008-)
 

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iceflower 04-03-2008 12:20 PM

Pics 2.4.2008
 
New pics of Prince Ernst August - I really enjoyed these
pics, not only because it's Ernst August, but also because
of the interaction with the dog and the relaxed behaviour :smile:

Ernst August of Hanover enjoys a lunch at Cafe de Flore in Paris
with his dog and a friend. Paris, France, April 2nd, 2008

** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** Pic 3 ** Pic 4 ** Pic 5 **

Lindy 04-03-2008 12:33 PM

I thought he gave up drinking because he was on the brink of death near the time of Prince Ranier's funeral.

giov 04-06-2008 03:05 PM

The funny complete gallery from IBL
IBL Bildbyrå | 0435 44 07 65
What a disaster!
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lindy (Post 749399)
I thought he gave up drinking because he was on the brink of death near the time of Prince Ranier's funeral.

Me too.
I think he did gave up immediately after his disease, but now...

Tosca 04-08-2008 11:38 AM

Dogs love you just the way you are...

thekla 04-10-2008 03:38 PM

I never believed that he gave up drinking totally - but these pictures indicate that he might well be on the way back to heavy addiction habits. Poor Caroline, I was wondering what might have happened that she has aged so visibly within a short time - maybe we can see the reason in these pictures.

foursox 04-13-2008 01:41 AM

ernst
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lindy (Post 749399)
I thought he gave up drinking because he was on the brink of death near the time of Prince Ranier's funeral.

as far as i know, he should not be drinking alcohol full stop!
kym
land of oz

BurberryBrit 04-13-2008 03:44 PM

It's nice to see royals at ordinary places like Flor and Deux Magots. Regarding the drinking, as long as he didn't polish off the entire bottle, I'm cool. I don't know what his specific ailment was, but if he had liver or pancreatic disease, then yes, he should not be drinking.

kelly9480 04-13-2008 04:52 PM

I think it was tacitly acknowledged that he was battling an addiction to alcohol, which led to his illness in 2005 in the first place. He certainly commented that his drinking was putting his health at risk and harming his chances of seeing his daughter grow up.

BurberryBrit 04-13-2008 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelly9480 (Post 753147)
I think it was tacitly acknowledged that he was battling an addiction to alcohol, which led to his illness in 2005 in the first place. He certainly commented that his drinking was putting his health at risk and harming his chances of seeing his daughter grow up.

Well, if he was an alcoholic, then no alcohol is acceptable. Sounds like he "fell off the wagon." I'm just surprised he would drink in public if it was known he was an alcoholic.

kelly9480 04-14-2008 02:55 PM

He got so drunk at Felipe's pre-wedding dinner that he couldn't attend the wedding itself the next morning (though he reportedly attended the luncheon afterwards), and this was after it was made clear that he had a definite problem managing his alcohol intake.

lazuli 04-14-2008 03:49 PM

Indeed, BurberryBrit, he looks almost human...just like us!

giov 04-15-2008 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelly9480 (Post 753147)
I think it was tacitly acknowledged that he was battling an addiction to alcohol, which led to his illness in 2005 in the first place. He certainly commented that his drinking was putting his health at risk and harming his chances of seeing his daughter grow up.

I remember when he said that, in a video interview, while he was doing rehabilitation exercise after his illness.
He looked so determined to give up drinking, after his alcoholic pancreatitis, that's why I am so surprised now.
I hope Caroline helps him not to go over the limit again.
Anyways, I am sure, as long my memories and my source are right, that he gave up drinking for a period after his illness.
Quote:

Originally Posted by kelly9480 (Post 753419)
He got so drunk at Felipe's pre-wedding dinner that he couldn't attend the wedding itself the next morning (though he reportedly attended the luncheon afterwards),

Those two days were a disaster!
They said he was so drunk that he couldn't even walk after the wedding luncheon, and two men had to carry him away.
I remember an article by Countess Olghina de Robilant on Ernst at the wedding.
She also wrote that king Juan Carlos was mad with Ernst for his behaviour.

foursox 04-15-2008 08:25 AM

ernst
 
Those two days were a disaster!
They said he was so drunk that he couldn't even walk after the wedding luncheon, and two men had to carry him away.
I remember an article by Countess Olghina de Robilant on Ernst at the wedding.
She also wrote that king Juan Carlos was mad with Ernst for his behaviour.[/quote]

i know quite a lot about alcoholism due to work. alcohol for ernst is out! once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. it is now medically recognised as a disease and ernst would have been told all about it. he should be attending AA meetings regularly. caro would know all about it from the specialists etc. the trouble is, if she likes her alcohol also, she would have a hard time telling ernst not to do as she is doing. she probably did not know he was out to lunch and drinking. it was mentioned by someone that they hoped he didn't finish off the bottle of red at lunch. does anyone think he wouldn't. once an alcoholic takes that first drink, it causes a craving and an obsession to have more, hence they cannot take that first drink. time will tell.

Warren 04-15-2008 09:31 AM

I think we have enough moralising about Ernst August and alcohol.

thanks,
Warren
Germany-Austria moderator

DenisP 04-29-2008 12:46 PM

Ernst August official title
 
On Ernst August's wikipedia entry it says he has the official title "Prince of Great Britain and Ireland"

Does anybody know why this is since the UK's full name is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

And also the fact that the Republic of Ireland doesn't recognise royal titles,

I realise the title is a relic from the past, but should it not be amended?

Stefan 04-29-2008 01:12 PM

because they are descending from King George III.

Emperor Wilhelm IX 05-07-2008 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 759875)
because they are descending from King George III.

From what I have read however is the Hanoverians are no longer legally entitled to be called Princes of Great Britain because the 1917 LP issued by George V limited the title of Prince of the UK to the grand children in the male line of the sovereign and by the time LP was issued they were far removed from decent of a British sovereign. But I don't think Buckingham Palace recognizes them as British princes nor have they really done anything to stop them from using the title. I think they merely tolerate it.

Warren 05-08-2008 10:10 AM

There's no point in being legalistic about the use of particular titles, after all titles were supposedly abolished in Germany but are still in unofficial use. The title of 'Prince of Great Britain and Ireland' has been an hereditary title of the House of Hanover for the descendants of George I since 1714, and is only relevant to the House of Hanover.

iceflower 05-26-2008 12:24 PM

Pics 24.5.2008
 
05/24/2008. Ernst August, Prince of Hanover leaves the
Carlton Hotel in Cannes, France, with one of his sons.

** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 **

branchg 05-26-2008 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 759875)
because they are descending from King George III.

It is simply a courtesy title and is not recognized by the British Crown. The Hanovers lost all their British honours and titles with the Titles Deprivation Act for supporting arms against Great Britain in World War I.

Legally, Ernst-August has the right to petition The Queen for restoration of his British dukedom and other honours, but has not done so. She tolerates the use of "Prince of Great Britain and Ireland" because it has no standing beyond a courtesy style.

giov 05-27-2008 05:11 PM

Thanks for the pics! Ernst August jr. looks like he has lost weight and he looks really great now, IMO!

Marengo 10-04-2008 11:45 AM

According to monarchen.nl prince Ernst-August (sr.) is claiming E.250.000,- from his former lawyer. According to EA his lawyer admitted without EA knowledge or approval that EA was responsible for the attack on Josef Brunlehner, a Kenian hotel owner in 2004.

Article in Dutch here.

giov 12-10-2008 06:02 AM

Gallery from Prismanews
Prince Ernst August of Hanover in Austria, December 9 2008.
Derechos España y Portugal: Ernesto de Hannover en Austria - Agencia Prisma

Carminha Stalker 12-10-2008 06:58 AM

I don´t want to moralize, but by the looks of these last pictures taken in Austria, all I can say is, poor Caroline.

iceflower 04-08-2009 10:36 AM

Pics 4.4.2009
 
After his accident, Prince Ernst August has been released from
hospital and enjoys the spring in Paris again, here are the
newest pics:

Prince Ernst August of Hanover at the Café de Flore, Paris,
April 4, 2009. I think the young man in blue is his son
Christian.

** Pic 1 **Pic 2 ** Pic 3 ** Pic 4 **

Glistening Seas 05-10-2009 09:13 PM

Glistening Seas
 
:smile: it seems Ernest has made a great recovery!! Surely that injury must have been painful!! Nothing more inconvenient than being stuck sick in bed and as active as he and both his families are it must have put a crimp in his style!! :cheers:

iceflower 06-15-2009 07:32 AM

Pics 15.6.2009
 
15-06-2009 : Prince Ernst August's Case heads to Court again
June 15, Hildesheim, Germany. Prince Ernst August of Hanover
was convicted of brutally beating up a nightclub owner in 2004.
A German court is examining whether the case should be retried.


** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** ppe gallery ** belga ** gettyimages **

Renata4711 06-15-2009 09:00 AM

Today at 10am, Ernst August, accompanied by two bodyguards, attended the court at Hildesheim for the next session of a case which has been running since 2004, involving an alleged attack by EA on a hotel owner in Kenya. He admitted slapping the hotelier in the face twice, but denies having seriously injured him.

Ernst August erneut vor Gericht - Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger
Prinz Ernst August vor Gericht: Weitere Zweifel an Opfer-Version - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten - Panorama

anabell 06-15-2009 11:01 AM

German Prince Ernst August of Hanover Faces Trial Again - Pictures - Zimbio

wbenson 06-15-2009 02:53 PM

Princess Caroline of Monaco's husband on trial - Yahoo! News

Prince Ernst August of Hannover, husband of Caroline of Monaco, acknowledged in court Monday that he hit a hotel owner in Kenya but denied using anything but his hands.

Though he does not deny the assault, in the retrial Ernst August is seeking to have the charge and sentence reduced.

iowabelle 06-15-2009 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbenson (Post 953454)

I like the "yes, I hurt you but I was a drunken a** at the time" defense. That's always a winner.

Renata4711 06-17-2009 08:15 AM

Ernst August said only one word during his court appearance: "Yes", in response to a question from his lawyer.
EA admitted having given the plaintiff two "symbolic" slaps in the face - "one for the music and one for the light", because he was angry about the loud music and laserbeams.
The court was only half full of spectators.
He allowed photographers to take pictures for more than 20 minutes.

The aim of the continuing court case is for EA to avoid having a criminal record, by agreeing to a much smaller fine.

There will be ten more days of evidence, including an appearance of Princess Caroline on July 23rd.

Ernst August erneut vor Gericht - Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger

iowabelle 06-17-2009 06:04 PM

This sounds more like a circus than a trial.

Renata4711 06-18-2009 05:17 AM

You're probably right. What I didn't include was the "audience" laughing at EA's admission (through his lawyer) that slapping the victim was not legal.
Another media circus.....

iceflower 09-12-2009 04:59 PM

Last week Prince Ernst August attended the celebrations of
the 40th anniversary of the accession to power (that took
place on September 1st 1969) of Muammar al-Gaddafi in
Tripolis, Libya. It's said to have been a very expensive
celebration. Here you can see Prince Ernst August watching
a military parade, later on there also was a show with a gala
dinner.

---> Pic

claypoint2 09-12-2009 05:15 PM

Interesting that Prince Ernst August was invited to celebrate the anniversary of the military coup that installed Gaddafi, and even more interesting that he chose to attend. Does he have a close relationship with the Libyan leader? Was EA's decision controversial in Germany, given Gaddafi's history? Although Gaddafi has been slowly normalizing relations with the West over the past 10 years, it's also true that, as recently as August 2006, he was urging his supporters to "kill enemies" who were asking for political change. (Per Wikipedia article)

iceflower 09-12-2009 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claypoint2 (Post 990868)
Interesting that Prince Ernst August was invited to celebrate the anniversary of the military coup that installed Gaddafi, and even more interesting that he chose to attend. Does he have a close relationship with the Libyan leader? Was EA's decision controversial in Germany, given Gaddafi's history? Although Gaddafi has been slowly normalizing relations with the West over the past 10 years, it's also true that, as recently as August 2006, he was urging his supporters to "kill enemies" who were asking for political change. (Per Wikipedia article)

I've had the same questions in mind, claypoint2. The reasons for
Prince Ernst August's attendance are obscure, especially as the
celebrations were ignored by many countries, some European ones
only sent minor representaives, if any...Among the guests there were
only a few well-known people, unfortunately some dictators as well.
The German press wasn't that interested in Prince Ernst August's
attendance, it wasn't much noticed, I've found the pic in the yellow
press without any special comments.


Nathalie Cox, that pic was the only one I've seen so far.

claypoint2 09-12-2009 11:17 PM

Thank you for your response, Iceflower. What an interesting piece of information.... Many thanks for posting.

Warren 09-13-2009 07:14 AM

:previous:
The fact that he was invited and attended may indicate he has business interests in Libya.

Sofiero 09-23-2009 04:46 PM

Today if Germany was a monarchy the head of the House of Hannover would be the king, i.e. this prince. I think this is some kind of spiritual premonitoring.

iowabelle 09-23-2009 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofiero (Post 995356)
Today if Germany was a monarchy the head of the House of Hannover would be the king, i.e. this prince. I think this is some kind of spiritual premonitoring.

Why would the House of Hanover rule Germany, rather than the House of Hohenzollern? (I'm not favoring one over the other, just that the Hohenzollerns were the emperors for a few generations.)

queenofthelight 09-24-2009 03:29 AM

Prince Ernst August looks very charming here, his smile is lovely.:smile:

Marc23 09-24-2009 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iowabelle (Post 995359)
Why would the House of Hanover rule Germany, rather than the House of Hohenzollern? (I'm not favoring one over the other, just that the Hohenzollerns were the emperors for a few generations.)

He could be King of Hanover since the Head of the House of Hohenzollern would be an Emperor...

lucien 09-25-2009 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sofiero (Post 995356)
Today if Germany was a monarchy the head of the House of Hannover would be the king, i.e. this prince. I think this is some kind of spiritual premonitoring.

No.Goodness no.The head of the House of Hannover would be the umptiest Duke in the land if Germany would convert to a Monarchy again.

The Hohenzollern Prince George would be Emperor and King of Prussia,and one can not seriously compare him with prince korsakoff.

:imperialgermany:

lazuli 11-26-2009 03:32 PM

Eheheh... Look who is here...

Portada de Realeza y Personalidades - Información y curiosidades sobre las monarquÃ*as del mundo - hola.com

Doesn't he look happy??? :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
So, Prince Ernst finally showed up in Viena... similing!!! ;)

Renata4711 11-26-2009 04:52 PM

Prince Ernst-August seems to be having fun. He attended a photography exhibition of his friend Hubertus von Hohenlohe in Vienna, to publicise his 2010 Calendar, sponsored by Playboy magazine.
The BILD newspaper claims that the photos are of scantily clad female ski instructors...
Prinz Ernst August besucht Kalender-Vorstellung von nackten Ski-Lehrerinnen - Unterhaltung - Royals - Bild.de

Nathalie Cox 11-26-2009 05:47 PM

I read the article in spanish in another forum...so, he appears happy in photgraphy exhibition of nude female ski instructors...
Well, at least I know he is alive.

sherylal24 11-29-2009 07:50 PM

Oh my, Ernst looks to unhealthy! Je looks so thin and losing his hair!

iceflower 12-10-2009 07:13 AM

Prince Ernst August von Hanover during the Marrakech 9th
Film Festival Marrakech, 09.12.2009.


-------------> Pic

Duke of Marmalade 12-10-2009 08:23 AM

EA looks like somebody who is drinking A LOT.

I had hoped that he had learned from the warning that he was given when suffering from life threatening illness in 2005 but sadly no. Caroline not by his side is not doing him any good.

giov 12-10-2009 11:48 AM

:previous:I doubt he has ever given up drinking, as you can also see in the pics posted in the previous pages of this thread.
I agree that his separation from Caroline is not doing him any good, as far as we know, of course.

Renata4711 01-02-2010 07:54 PM

None of us knows whether he is drinking or not, but the chances of a habitual drinker giving up drink are slim .... some might say "impossible"....

Melania 10-17-2010 05:16 PM

Where does Prince Ernest August get his money from? Wiki has him worth 5 billion USD. Is it inherited or does he have businesses?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_A...ver_(born_1954)

Warren 10-18-2010 09:34 AM

:previous:
Land, schloss and various properties in Germany, Austria and elsewhere, assets and private investments etc.
The Prince of Hanover is listed amongst the largest (Noble) Austrian landowners.

rominet09 10-18-2010 10:01 AM

He certainly does look like someone in good health !:eek:
Quote:

Originally Posted by iceflower (Post 1029162)
Prince Ernst August von Hanover during the Marrakech 9th
Film Festival Marrakech, 09.12.2009.


-------------> Pic


MAfan 10-18-2010 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren (Post 1148849)
:previous:
Land, schloss and various properties in Germany, Austria and elsewhere, assets and private investments etc.
The Prince of Hanover is listed amongst the largest (Noble) Austrian landowners.

Does he still own the Castle in Gmunden?
And do the properties belong directly to him or are they part of a trust whose beneficiaries are the members of the Family?

Melania 11-04-2010 12:49 AM

Warren, thanks for sharing this information!

Before, I had thought that Prince Ernest August was lucky to marry Princess Caroline because she is worth 1 billion USD, but it turns out he is actually worth more than her! He didn't need her money. What is amazing is that their daughter has two separate billionaire parents, one from a well-respected royal line and the other from a fun, glamorous principality. Princess Alexandra and all of their children from their previous marriages are very lucky!

Warren 11-06-2010 12:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 1149101)
Does he still own the Castle in Gmunden?
And do the properties belong directly to him or are they part of a trust whose beneficiaries are the members of the Family?

Schloss Cumberland in Gmunden ceased to be the Family Seat in 1923 and today is a hospital. The Prince of Hanover/the family/a trust certainly owns the former hunting lodge in Gmunden (see pic below) plus large amounts of land in Austria.

The actual composition of the Hanover assets (privately and individually held, held in trusts, held by a foundation etc), would probably be known only to EA, his sons, financial advisers and the German and Austrian tax offices, plus other countries in which property is held (eg Kenya, probably the UK, etc).

The 2005 auctions of the armoury, furniture, bric a brac etc at Schloss Marienburg raised €44m (US$62m) which was placed in a trust headed by Prince Ernst August jnr and Prince Christian to maintain the Castle and the Fürstenhaus Herrenhausen-Museum.

There is no information available as to whether Prince Ernst August as Head of the House provides for his relatives or whether they have otherwise been provided for. I'm sure this is considered "private family business."

> Schloss Marienburg

V pic: The former hunting lodge, Gmunden, Austria
(courtesy Wikipedia Commons)

Zonk 11-06-2010 12:28 PM

I actually have a question...I have been reading a couple of royal books about Alexandra of Denmark (later Queen Alexandra of GB), the Windsors, Edward VII, etc.

In the Alexandra as well as the Edward VII book they are discussing Thyra (sister of Alexandra who married into the Hanover branch) and we are talking about the annexation of Hanover by the Prussians (?), and how they basically seized the assets of the Hanovers (and other German ruling families). So my question is this...from what I understand, they (the Hanovers and the others) never received their assets or compensation for the land, money, etc from the Prussians. Is that correct?

So am I correct in assuming that the assets of the current Hanover family, does not include the disputed assets. Is that a correct assumption? Does make sense?

Warren 11-06-2010 01:18 PM

After Prussia annexed the Kingdom of Hanover in 1866 the incomes of the Hanover family that were derived from the former Kingdom were confiscated and used by Bismarck as a slush fund. He was said to have boasted that the Guelph Fund was used to bribe German and foreign newspapers.

Although less rich than previously, the exiled Hanovers were never hard up. They retained ownership of and incomes from their properties elsewhere, such as land in Austria and the Guelph d'Este treasure which was stored in Vienna's Imperial Museum before its removal to Gmunden. The formerly confiscated Hanoverian incomes and assets were largely restored to the Duke of Cumberland (formerly the Crown Prince of Hanover) after Bismarck's dismissal in 1890 and fully restored in 1913.

Prior to the 1890 restitution, the reigning Duke of Brunswick died in 1884 which brought to an end the senior line of the House of Guelph. Duke Wilhelm left all the family entailed estates and his own "immense" private fortune to his heir, the Duke of Cumberland.

At the time of the marriage of Princess Viktoria Luise of Prussia to the Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg (the son of the Duke of Cumberland), The NY Times of 18 May 1913 provided a detailed history of events and finances. The article can be viewed in PDF format here.

Zonk 11-06-2010 02:23 PM

Thanks Warren...this definitely answers my quesitons.

Florencia 11-06-2010 09:36 PM

Prince Ernst August of Hanover visited the jewels of the Imperial Palace Exhibition in Vienna (11/05/2010)
Pic

Florencia 12-28-2010 02:37 PM

Princess Caroline's husband Prince Ernst steps out with a 22-year-old ex-dancer who models for brothels | Mail Online

Lenora 12-28-2010 03:14 PM

I feel sad for Caroline,she didn't deserve such a husband

Sternchen 12-28-2010 03:25 PM

Well, her former best friend Chantal Hochuli didn't deserve to be treated like that, too :tongue:

Lenora 12-28-2010 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sternchen (Post 1181862)
Well, her former best friend Chantal Hochuli didn't deserve to be treated like that, too :tongue:

Sorry,I didn't understand or know,was Caroline friend with Chantal?

Sternchen 12-28-2010 03:36 PM

Yes, Chantal and Caroline were best friends.

Warren 12-29-2010 07:10 AM

:previous:
With the emphasis on "were".

Sternchen 12-29-2010 09:41 AM

I know :smile:

COUNTESS 12-29-2010 08:59 PM

Ernst is a creep. You get what you pay for, so to speak. He wasn't a secret when Caroline married him. But she did get a HRH, which may have meaning to her.

Katrianna 12-30-2010 01:50 AM

He also is very very wealthy. Perhaps if they divorce, he'd be right for Sarah Ferguson, then her problems would be solved.:tongue: Sorry, just had to add that and just kidding.

COUNTESS 12-30-2010 06:23 PM

I don't think Caroline needed his money.

Jaya 12-30-2010 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COUNTESS (Post 1182835)
I don't think Caroline needed his money.

I find it strange that two of the three husbands that caro has had have been seen with sordid women in the last step of the marriages.Even though Ernst is technically a mature man his actions are similar to those of Junot who did the identical to Caro.I highly doibt caro need this worry right about now when her life should have been settled.
For just a split second it did appear that this marriage was going to be OK.

melina premiere 12-31-2010 05:26 AM

Princess Caroline has the title of Hrh, and she will never want leave this title just in this moment when she will no more be the first lady in Monaco in july when her brother Albert will marry with Charlène Wittstock, but when I saw her at the mass of the national fest, she seemed very sad when Mgr Barsi archibishop of Monaco wellcomed Charlene at the Cathedral. Did she think at the happy moment When Prince Ernst A was at her side.? Prince Ernst A was a rude man before his weedding with Princess Caroline but I thought
he became better after his illness in 2005

Dulce Elena 01-01-2011 10:38 PM

What is this guy thinking? If royalty had a reality television series, Prinz Ernst would be its star, cameraman and director! Stripper girlfriends, alcoholism, peeing on Turkish pavillions...lord had mercy! This man receives NONE of my sympathy, but that being said, neither does Princess Caroline. I love her dearly, and I really believe that life dealt her a crappy hand, but she's failed to learn from her shortcomings and errors. How? She married him despite knowing who he was well in advance of this drama. She has the natural gift of throwing herself into worst situations! Anyhow, I wonder if Tatjana Gsell is still grifting for a royal BF now that she and Foffi detoured through Splitsville? Tatjana, the man of your dreams lives right over there in Hanover.....

Seraphine 01-02-2011 05:10 AM

I guess Caroline was really in love and wehn youa re in love you tend to blind out facts.
Now I guess she doesn't divorce for defiance reasons.
She punishes him the most not to free him for other women by divorce and she doesn't want to refuse her title and dare to give it to a potential successor. Furthermore I guess she considers another divorce as personal blemish in her CV.

He doesn't divorce, because that would be too expensive.

Lumutqueen 01-02-2011 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melina premiere (Post 1182995)
Princess Caroline has the title of Hrh, and she will never want leave this title just in this moment when she will no more be the first lady in Monaco in july when her brother Albert will marry with Charlène Wittstock,

Your saying that Caroline doesn't want to leave her obviously unhappy marriage because of a title?

Shelo 01-02-2011 02:09 PM

Good question- why don't they divorce? Because of the immense assets they both brought into the marriage, wouldn't there have been a pre-nup? I can't imagine that this is about money or titles.

Saschana 01-02-2011 05:56 PM

Obviously I don't know but I guess it has to be about the title. They are both wealthy (even if he is probably more than she is) and they were when they married so it's pretty clear that they must have a prenup. I don't think Alexandra is in an age were you can try to fool her about still being a couple she's old enough to realize when something is wrong between her parents especially for such a long time. When Caroline would be very unhappy about the whole situation she would divorce regardless of what people think. So the only reason for keep being married is the title, imho.

COUNTESS 01-02-2011 09:34 PM

Amazingly, it seems a title means something to some people. All ridiculous, but still to some important. Why else would Caroline stay with this guy. He has little to recommend him. She doesn't need his money and I am sure she can find someone who she could enjoy better. The HRH is the only thing I can guess at and at that it is only a guess.

CordeliaFitzgerald 01-02-2011 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COUNTESS (Post 1184249)
Amazingly, it seems a title means something to some people. All ridiculous, but still to some important. Why else would Caroline stay with this guy. He has little to recommend him. She doesn't need his money and I am sure she can find someone who she could enjoy better. The HRH is the only thing I can guess at and at that it is only a guess.

Perhaps it's a lesson she picked up closer to home: Princess Grace was allegedly very unhappy with Prince Rainier during long stretches of their marriage, but she stayed because she didn't want to give up her place as a royal. (According to Robert Lacey's biography.)

Although it could be the other way around: even though he's richer and is higher up on the royalty scale, and is the cheater, maybe they have an agreement not to divorce because of the profile she gives to him. (Sort of like Jackie O. and Aristotle Onassis. She gave him class even though he had the money and worldwide business connections.)

A dumb question but I wasn't sure where to put it: do Ernst and Caroline share custody of Alexandra? I've only ever seen pictures of her with Caroline in more recent months.

Katrianna 01-03-2011 01:54 AM

I have the feeling if there is a divorce, it's going to be a very costly one indeed. At the time of their marriage Caroline was already pregnant as we all know. Her father was still alive and as a Catholic I'm sure he was not thrilled at the prospect of her situation, but she was marrying a very rich man and one that could elevate her status from HSH to a coveted HRH. Were they in love? Caroline and Ernst are the only ones that know the answer. I would venture to guess that for each it was a fling, perhaps Caroline was in love, I don't think Ernst was Caroline was a step up in status from Chantal in that she was Royal and her family has tons of money. Caroline, as I said, could take a jump in status also. I don't know, but the marriage always appeared to me as one of a business merger than one for love.
I haven't seen any pictures of Alexandra with her father unless they had very private get togethers, otherwise, I would say he isn't that worried since he's more concerned about 22 year olds. If that Romanian woman is in her twenties, I'm the next Queen of England.:tongue:

Shelo 01-03-2011 04:11 AM

I believe in some cases, a pre-nup allows for different settlements depending on how long a couple is married (and depending on fault). I have often wondered if Caroline is staying in the marriage for this reason.

But- as pointed out earlier, none of us knows what is going on. I just can't imagine it is easy to look forward the upcoming (and very public) royal wedding of her brother while her husband is caught up in multiple (also very public) indiscretions with models and exotic dancers.

Katrianna 01-04-2011 01:48 AM

It has been suggested at other message boards that Caroline may wait until Albert's wedding is over and then divorce, while other speculation goes on the guess that the couple have agreed to lead separate lives yet remain married. We'll have to see what the future leads to.

Florencia 01-07-2011 11:29 AM

Prince Ernst August of Hanover sold home in Schulenburg
Article: Neue Presse

NotAPretender 01-07-2011 02:51 PM

I don't believe that a divorce automatically "strips" Caroline of the HRH....especially since Germany has abolished royalty and such titles and styles. These are all courtesy titles and styles, including Ernst's.

If she remarried (and why would she ever want to?), then perhaps she would "lose" the HRH. But I do not believe that one loses it automatically.

As the head of the household, of course, it's conceivable that Ernst could "so decree" that his former wife was no longer HRH.

What about Chantal? That could be a precedent.

Lucrezia 02-08-2011 12:23 PM

Chantal Hochuli is still styled Chantal, Princess of Hanover but has lost the HRH with the divorce. I very much tend to believe that the same will happen to Caroline of Monaco if she will be divorced from Ernst August.

LaraC 02-09-2011 09:24 PM

LOL

Ernst is not so bad. He's just very germanic. He's a ladies man and very sexy to women.
I'm amazed Chantal and Ernst ever married... they are chalk and cheese. Caroline is much more able to handle Ernst and is more sexually compatible too. lol it's funny to read all these comments about people one grew up with.
Nuts! :lol:

MPD1 02-10-2011 01:07 PM

I should agree, EA is the King ;) ! And not just a lady's man, i know many guys that find him attractive as well. Anyways, its a pity that Carrie will go back to Serene Highness after the official divorce, she's always very elegant and royal, HRH was ideal for her, thats how i view it. Wonderful lady and human being, I like her more than Chantal for sure.

LaraC 02-11-2011 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPD1 (Post 1203409)
I should agree, EA is the King ;) ! And not just a lady's man, i know many guys that find him attractive as well. Anyways, its a pity that Carrie will go back to Serene Highness after the official divorce, she's always very elegant and royal, HRH was ideal for her, thats how i view it. Wonderful lady and human being, I like her more than Chantal for sure.


So true! Men do fancy Ernst. He is very charming and funny though :)
Caroline is for sure the opposite of Chantal. I've never seen the latter smile nor actually joke about anything, always the sour puss. Ernst likes his bossy, stern women doesn't he. He needs to find himself a Debo Bismarck. She epitomises the perfect woman, wife for a german man.

MPD1 02-11-2011 04:47 PM

Yeah Germans are tough that's y i like them alot. Lara d'u think Carrie called the shots in their relationship ;) ? I say called cuz it's over now obviously.

COUNTESS 02-11-2011 05:46 PM

Ernst is very good lokking. He is uncouth and unappealing as a person. Caroline was a fool, in love, she always was. If he represents German men, and I don't think he does, other than looks you can keep him and the rest like him.

MPD1 02-12-2011 02:41 PM

Hey we like Ernstie some respect for his fans plz :sad: . I like Germans in general it's a dashing race.

maria-olivia 03-16-2011 06:50 AM

The only positive of their relationship was to see back the Hannover jewels worn by Princess Caroline at the Danish royal wedding.

MPD1 04-16-2011 05:17 PM

Just that? The couple also had a daughter together, cute Alexandra. Don't be so mean plz, u might hurt someone's feelings :cry: . And y should that be Ernst's fault if their marriage failed? Maybe Carrie cudn't stand such a looker as her husband, love Carrie but she should of known better :sad: .

American Observer7 04-25-2011 10:30 AM

Ernst August V, Prince of Hanover
 
Can someone please explain to me why this person is using the title prince and HRH when it would appear the queen does not recognize the Hanovers as Royals at all from what I gather? They appear to be Royal wanna bees.


His baby daughter who is almost 12, is styled as Her Royal Highness, Princess Alexandra of Hanover, Princess of Great Britain. Is this little girl a British princess at all?

Nice Nofret 04-25-2011 11:15 AM

*rofl* the engl. Queen does not have to "recognize" a german Prince; and the Queen herself is an offspring of the House of Hanover. She knows him and he was even somewhere down on the List for the english throne; his kids still are. He is also a Prince of the british realm

Ernst-August IS the Head of the "Welfen" and the Head of the House of Braunschweig

Wikipedia is your friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_A...nce_of_Hanover

FanofMonaco 04-25-2011 11:47 AM

I think the Queen of England does recognize PE but he is like 300th in line to the throne. He is a decendent of Queen Victoria of England and Kaiser Wilhelm the second of Germany so his credentials are for real. It's the German democracy that doesn't recognize him. They do however; allow German aristocracy to use their titles. They just don't have any political power.

Iluvbertie 04-25-2011 10:20 PM

Remember that in 1837 Hanover was split from Britain due to the Salic Law. The new King of Hanover was the 5th son of George III (The Duke of Cumberland). His descendents though remained Princes/Princesses of the UK and still ask permission from the British Queen to marry, even though they are exempt as descendents of Queen Victoria's daughter, Vicky.

Prince Ernst uses that title but it isn't recognised in Germany. He is no longer eligible himself to be the King of Britain due to his marriage to Princess Caroline of Monaco but their daughter is because she has been raised as a Protestant.

Alexandra is 430th in line.


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