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Prinsara 05-23-2021 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 2245812)
:previous: Edward VII's coronation had to be postponed when he needed emergency surgery for acute appendicitis. Edward had the operation. The original coronation had been planned for June 26, 1902.

As it turned out, it wasn't appendicitis, but a big abscess (per Jane Ridley). Bertie kept his appendix, contrary to popular myth, and his life, and went to his delayed coronation.

Curryong 05-23-2021 10:58 PM

The doctors drained an abscess on the appendix which had been causing fever and pain in an efficient operation and King Edward was soon well again.

https://www.unofficialroyalty.com/gu...hat-never-was/

Incidentally, Jane Ridley lost me early in her biography of Bertie when she states that Albert was Queen Victoria’s ‘only first cousin’. Really!!

CyrilVladisla 05-25-2021 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2402006)
The doctors drained an abscess on the appendix which had been causing fever and pain in an efficient operation and King Edward was soon well again.

https://www.unofficialroyalty.com/gu...hat-never-was/

Incidentally, Jane Ridley lost me early in her biography of Bertie when she states that Albert was Queen Victoria’s ‘only first cousin’. Really!!

Did not Jane Ridley know that Albert had an older brother, Duke Ernest II of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha?

Curryong 05-25-2021 02:16 AM

Obviously not. Nor that both Albert and Victoria had many aunts and uncles of the Saxe Coburg Gotha family line, almost all of whom had children.

Alison H 05-25-2021 03:24 AM

That really is bad! Surely any British historian would know about all George III's numerous children and their various offspring, and surely anyone writing about Victoria and Albert would know about Albert's brother, and, at the very least, about "Uncle Leopold"'s family.

Denville 05-25-2021 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Alison H (Post 2402399)
That really is bad! Surely any British historian would know about all George III's numerous children and their various offspring, and surely anyone writing about Victoria and Albert would know about Albert's brother, and, at the very least, about "Uncle Leopold"'s family.

So do we beleive her if she says that it was an abscess and not his appendix that caused his illness?

Curryong 05-25-2021 05:13 AM

I’ve posted a link from Unofficial Royalty on my post #582 that goes into great detail about the abcess on his appendix, so that seems to be true.

https://www.unofficialroyalty.com/gu...hat-never-was/

Prinsara 05-25-2021 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla (Post 2402388)
Did not Jane Ridley know that Albert had an older brother, Duke Ernest II of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha?

Considering she mentions Ernest on the very next page... It seems more like a simple slip. I never even noticed the "only first cousin" thing, and I've read the book several times, although she is very critical of Albert.

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2402401)
So do we beleive her if she says that it was an abscess and not his appendix that caused his illness?

She's not the only source for debunking the appendicitis claim, so in this case, yes.

irish_royalist 05-25-2021 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Denville (Post 2402401)
So do we beleive her if she says that it was an abscess and not his appendix that caused his illness?

Appendicitis=inflammation of the appendix which may occasionally lead to an appendiceal abscess surrounding the appendix as a complication of appendicitis (in around 5% of cases). These days, the treatment would be appendicectomy along with drainage of the abscess, but in Victorian times, a simple drainage of the abscess was obviously sufficient for the 'lucky King Edward!'
In the era before antibiotics, most of these patients would have sadly died.

Prinsara 05-25-2021 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by irish_royalist (Post 2402591)
Appendicitis=inflammation of the appendix which may occasionally lead to an appendiceal abscess surrounding the appendix as a complication of appendicitis (in around 5% of cases). These days, the treatment would be appendicectomy along with drainage of the abscess, but in Victorian times, a simple drainage of the abscess was obviously sufficient for the 'lucky King Edward!'
In the era before antibiotics, most of these patients would have sadly died.

If Treves (who was basically the foremost expert at the time) determined Edward's appendix was actually not so "hot" as to require removal (and you would have to have been an utter idiot to leave it in there if there was any indication otherwise, when the man had been in agonizing pain and was already undergoing surgery)... isn't it possible the abscess was somehow not related to his appendix? The fact Edward never suffered from any appendix-related problem after that seems to indicate it wasn't the issue. If it was so bad as to have abscessed, why not just take it out?

Edit: Edward, afaik, was afraid it was cancer (after having lost his siblings Vicky and Affie in the years immediately prior; he had decent reason to feel fearful).

Denville 05-26-2021 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Prinsara (Post 2402599)
If Treves (who was basically the foremost expert at the time) determined Edward's appendix was actually not so "hot" as to require removal (and you would have to have been an utter idiot to leave it in there if there was any indication otherwise, when the man had been in agonizing pain and was already undergoing surgery)... isn't it possible the abscess was somehow not related to his appendix? The fact Edward never suffered from any appendix-related problem after that seems to indicate it wasn't the issue. If it was so bad as to have abscessed, why not just take it out?

Edit: Edward, afaik, was afraid it was cancer (after having lost his siblings Vicky and Affie in the years immediately prior; he had decent reason to feel fearful).

Perhaps (I dont know) but the idea was that the less surgery you did was better, and if draining the abscess would fix it, why take the appendix out as well? Anyway thankfully it wasn't cancer and he did make a good recovery

Curryong 05-26-2021 04:16 AM

Appendixes seem to have loomed large in Treves’s life in one way or another. One of his daughters died at 18 of peritonitis after her appendix burst (he had delayed operating) he was knighted after treating the King, and Treves himself expired in Switzerland of the same condition as his daughter.

CyrilVladisla 06-10-2021 07:46 PM

King Edward VII met the Romanovs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V8aqqVKLaU


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