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Tilla 07-15-2009 04:11 PM

Perhaps, she did not want to force her family to learn the sign language, too ?

magnik 07-15-2009 04:23 PM

Or maybe she just used paper and pencil to communicate with the others?

Dierna23 07-15-2009 04:34 PM

Or maybe she read from the lips? The Duke of Edinburghs mother, Princess Alice, was also deaf and she handled it that way.

Roderick 07-15-2009 06:10 PM

She did learn to lipread quite well. She was sensitive about her disability and it is doubtful that sign language would have been an acceptable option for her if it was used at that time.

She managed quite well within the family circle as she could relax and simply tell people to speak up if she wasn't making out what they were saying. Her right hand lady Charlotte Knollys and one or two other staff members who were always with her were very helpful also.

The deafness was mostly a problem at large gatherings as a great deal of background noise would make it more difficult for her to hear and also to ask people to speak louder. For these reasons she gradually withdrew from these events almost entirely.

jonnydep 07-15-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dierna23 (Post 966798)
Or maybe she read from the lips? The Duke of Edinburghs mother, Princess Alice, was also deaf and she handled it that way.

yes, have you heared the story that princess alice often recounted concerning a silent movie she once saw ...
well during a tender love scene the actors was supposely talking sweet nothings to each other, when in fact the male actor was discussing his eviction due to non payments of rent. the princess found this very amusing !!! :biggrin:

Dierna23 07-16-2009 11:20 AM

Yes, I've heard that story. She surely had a special pleasure being in a movie theatre :smile:

jonnydep 09-10-2009 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaLandgrave
Wasnt Peter of Oldenburg a homosexual?

yes i get that impression........ it is said that ogla once remarked that the marriage was never consummated...... she later divorced prince peter and remarried a commoner to the digust of the imperial family / court !!!:smile:

silverstar 10-02-2009 03:49 PM

Princess Alexandra of Denmark
 
Princess Alexandra was born in 1844.

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Alexandra was selected as a suitable bride for the Prince of Wales and vetted by Queen Victoria.
She arrived in London in March 1863. Prince Albert had died prematurely,
a few months before, so her arrival and the rapturous welcome she received from the British public,
went some way to lift the "Royal Gloom " that hung over Windsor Castle.
She married the Prince of Wales in St Georges Chapel Windsor on the 10th of March 1863.
Princess Alexandra was feted and cheered wherever she went and
almost effortlessly became a leader of fashion and society.

https://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u...IIWWBB1111.jpg
The Danish Princess was far more popular and cheered more loudly than her
husband the Prince of Wales..... a pattern that was to reoccur decades later when
Diana married another Prince of Wales in another era.

Lumutqueen 10-02-2009 04:19 PM

Alexandra of Denmark (Alexandra Carolina Marie Charlotte Louise Julia; 1 December 1844 – 20 November 1925) was Queen of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions and Empress of India from 1901 to 1910 as the consort of Edward VII.

"Alix", as she was known within the family, was born at the Yellow Palace, an 18th-century town house at 18 Amaliegade, right next to the Amalienborg Palace complex in Copenhagen. Her father was Prince Christian of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg and her mother was Princess Louise of Hesse-Cassel.

On 24 September 1861, Crown Princess Victoria introduced her brother Albert Edward to Alexandra at Speyer, but it was not until almost a year later on 9 September 1862 (after his affair with Nellie Clifden and the death of his father) that Albert Edward proposed to Alexandra at the Royal Castle of Laeken, the home of his uncle, King Leopold I of Belgium.

The couple were married on 10 March 1863 at St. George's Chapel, Windsor Castle by Thomas Longley, the Archbishop of Canterbury.

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Queen Louise, Queen Alexandra & Duchess of Fife. :smile:

They had 6 children.
  • Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence and Avondale = 8 January 1864 – 14 January 1892.
  • George V of the United Kingdom = 3 June 1865 – 20 January 1936
  • Louise, Princess Royal and Duchess of Fife = 20 February 1867 – 4 January 1931
  • Princess Victoria Alexandra = 6 July 1868 – 3 December 1935),
  • Maud, Queen of Norway = 26 November 1869 – 20 November 1938
  • Prince Alexander John = 6 April 1871 – 7 April 1871
:flowers:

Iluvbertie 10-02-2009 04:31 PM

She is my all time favourite Princess of Wales and Queen Consort as she was just so perfect and regal in a way that those before or since weren't or aren't.

She had a lot to put up with, husband's infidelities, deafness, foreign country etc, but did it wonderfully and without public complaint. If she complained at all it was within the privacy of her family and there alone.

silverstar 10-02-2009 06:56 PM

She really was a breath of fresh air after
the gloom and mourning for Prince Albert.
She took to the London social scene with perfect ease
and charmed everyone.
By age 26 she was the mother of 5 Royal children and perfectly at home in Sandringham... her favourite residence.
Interesting that her brother William was King of Greece and....after the assassination of Czar Alexander 2nd in March 1881 ... her sister Dagmar became Empress of Russia !

Iluvbertie 10-02-2009 07:17 PM

And of course her eldest brother eventually became the King of Denmark.

Her father rightly was regarded as the father-in-law of Europe but just like Queen Victoria was referred to as the grandmother of Europe then Christian IX was also the grandfather due to the marriages of his children and then the intermarriage of the grandchildren with the grandchildren etc of Queen Victoria.

silverstar 10-02-2009 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gogm
Prussia's War with Denmark
Although now a little known historical footnote, the consequences of the Danish War were incalcuable. It was the first step in the organizatin of a future Germany under the most miliataraistic and conservative state in the German Confederation. There were German states with more liberal, democratic institutions (Bavaria, Hanover, and others) and less belicose, militaristic outlooks. The Danish War was the first step in Prussia's absorbtion of some of the more liberal German states such as Hannover and Hesse and the end of their constitutional monarchies.
If there had been a more democratic, less miliatristic approch taken to German unification, the history of the 20th century may have been quite different.
The Danish War was also an important step in changing the British perception of Prussia and Germany from a potential ally against their historical enemy France to a dangerous enemy.
The fact that their popular Princess of Wales was Danish was an important factor in shaping British attitudes."

Perhaps this land grab by the Prussians was sowing the seeds of what was to become the first world war.
But then, Prussia has a long history of grabbing territory... didnt they grab Silesia from Austria in the Seven Years War ? Marie Antoinette's mum was not very pleased !

But back then Prussia and Fred the Great was a big ally of England facing up to the French.
Years later... at the Battle of Waterloo, many say that it was Blucher and the Prussians who saved our bacon and sent Napoleon to his final defeat.
In later years Prussia, under the devilish control of Bismark eventually swallowed up the other German states including Bavaria and brought about the unification of Germany under Prussian.. and Berlin control.

Historically it was Vienna and the Habsburgs who were a major power in Europe competing with the French for territory, now these Prussian upstarts were taking over...
Meanwhile the Austrian Empire was fading fast.

Bertie began to view Germany as a threat and looked to France as an ally... hence the entente cordial.

Europe began to polorize into two sides
Germany... Austria... Italy....The Triple Alliance
versus
Britain... France.... Russia.... The Triple Entente.

A young, teenage Serbian lit the fuse in 1914 and .. bingo... we had the First World War !

Iluvbertie 10-02-2009 09:09 PM

You have left out a couple of important things - the Franco-Prussian War which made sure that France would want revenge - a young George Clemenceau lived through that which is why he insisted on such a harsh treaty at Versailles resulting in WWII and of course the Russo-Japaneses War which saw Russia lose and be in a state where Nicholas II simply couldn't afford to be seen as weak again so when another incident happened in the Balkans he wasn't going to back down and viola WWI.

The causes of World War One are very complex and not just caused by one or two simply events.

Russophile 10-03-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Iluvbertie (Post 998994)
She is my all time favourite Princess of Wales and Queen Consort as she was just so perfect and regal in a way that those before or since weren't or aren't.

She had a lot to put up with, husband's infidelities, deafness, foreign country etc, but did it wonderfully and without public complaint. If she complained at all it was within the privacy of her family and there alone.

I'm reading a bio. on Minnie and I was very surprised at how close she and Alexandra were. They helped her out a lot after Alexander III's death.

Dierna23 10-03-2009 06:29 PM

:previous:

They were very close. Didn't they spend their holidays alone with each other in Denmark in later years?

Iluvbertie 10-03-2009 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dierna23 (Post 999416)
:previous:

They were very close. Didn't they spend their holidays alone with each other in Denmark in later years?


They actually bought a home together in Denmark where they did spend a bit of time after they were both widowed.

They had shared a room as girls and remained close throughout their lives despite the distance between them that necessitated lengthy travel times to see each other, which is why Denmark was so convenient as it was closer to both.

jonnydep 10-03-2009 07:57 PM

hi.....

anyone who has a interest in queen alexandra, should read david duff's book......alexandra : pricness and queen (1980). it an excellant read... the best biography of queen alexandra that i have read !!

enjoy....:flowers:

Grace Angel 10-03-2009 09:30 PM

I like the early portrait of her silverstar posted recently. She was stunning! Yes, Minnie and Alexandra were close, and their sons ( George V/ Nicholas II) looked like twins. Who do you think had the happier life? Minnie had the happier marriage but lived in a far more perilous/ difficult country and was ultimately uprooted by the revolution and had to live her last ten years in exile. Alexandra was deaf and had a husband who cheated on her with numerous mistresses, but she lived in a secure country, and had a more secure life in that sense.

Dierna23 10-03-2009 09:54 PM

:previous:

A difficult but also good question IMO. They both had difficult lives, beeing Empress and Queen always means a difficult live to me, but I think one of the biggest tragedies is when you have to survive your children and sadly both of them shared this destiny as well. You may be right that Alexandra at least lived a more secure life in the sense that she lived in a more secure country. Well, I can't really come to a result in this question...

But thanks for your book recommendation, Johnnydep! :flowers:


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