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banda_windsor 11-17-2007 07:05 PM

I think Chaves was completely over the line! and the King have every right to told him to shut up.

Hail King Juan Carlos!

fanprincipesasturi 11-18-2007 08:08 AM

ABC.es: nacional - nacional - «El Rey es un garante de la democracia española y de parte

Carlos Sources, writer: " King is a guarantee of the Spanish democracy and of the Latin American community "he thinks that the King guessed right when stopping to Chávez? - Yes, I have seen it. Somebody had to say that but nobody dared, only King,i think who all think the same but he said it. How good! To me I like that he has said it


who is really chávez?

ABC.es: domingos - domingos - Chávez El golpista

...And tormented by a persecutory odd habit: when he was a young official, their comrades-in-arms were surprised with their shouts outside place: "they want to Me to kill, are there", he said before imaginary ghosts.

Aquarela 11-18-2007 10:36 AM

He was still rude. A well educated person doesnt scream "why dont you shut up?!"

highpriestess 11-18-2007 01:22 PM

Chavez doesn't listen to polite request from Spanish PM. He didn't even respond to the hint that his microphone was shut off by the summit organizers. He's a bully who tries to outshout and outtalk everyone. So what do you do with such a buffon except giving him a taste of his own medicine?

I agree that the Chile president could have done a better job maintaining orders. She should have be the one who told Chavez to shut up. But she didn't do it. JC did.

Aquarela 11-18-2007 02:58 PM

I wonder how Catholic Church see this behaviour from Juan Carlos. A friend of mine who lives in Spain told me the spanish aristocrats didn't like his tacky behaviour.

GlitteringTiaras 11-18-2007 03:07 PM

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He was still rude. A well educated person doesnt scream "why dont you shut up?!"
I would have to disagree with you. They would dance around instead of bing blunt about it. The latter is more highly effective.


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Originally Posted by Aquarela (Post 694560)
I wonder how Catholic Church see this behaviour from Juan Carlos. A friend of mine who lives in Spain told me the spanish aristocrats didn't like his tacky behaviour.


I doubt the CC would care. Second, do you have evidence to back-up your hearsay? Please provide a link where these aristocrats note this. I would like to read it myself.

PrincessCookieCuff 11-18-2007 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarela (Post 694560)
I wonder how Catholic Church see this behaviour from Juan Carlos. A friend of mine who lives in Spain told me the spanish aristocrats didn't like his tacky behaviour.

Ask your chum what the Spanish aristocracy think of President Chavez.

To think we're talking of the niceties of protocol towards a clown who knows nothing of any such thing.

Or perhaps people are unaware of the horrific way President Chavez refers to those he dislikes -- like calling a fellow President un pajarito (which I cannot translate into English, as it is homophobic in the extreme). This on NATIONAL television, something he does on average of 40 hours per week.

Come on, what are we saying here?

When someone steps over the boundaries of social norms like tact and restraint, don't be surprised if they are put into their place.

HOW they are put into their place is something best left to nannies to worry about.

Regina 11-18-2007 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarela (Post 694478)
He was still rude. A well educated person doesnt scream "why dont you shut up?!"

Aquarela, with all the respect, let me ask you if you think people should bear everything just to keep the manners (?).
I agree Hugo Chavez is a bully. The King wouldn't tell him anything if Chavez hadn't break the rules like he did.
Oh yes, The Catholics in Spain are very angry with the King but very happy with Hugo Chavez. :biggrin: I am sure Chavez is a great model for any Catholic.
Besides, don't forget that Jesus Christ was always "rude" to the pharisees and hypocrites ;)

highpriestess 11-18-2007 07:04 PM

I didn't understand why anyone would think Catholic Church would care. Now I understand. Here is an editorial from INDIA (!):

SOTTO VOCE: Chavez on the Cross-Editorial-Opinion-The Times of India

PrincessCookieCuff 11-18-2007 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by highpriestess (Post 694634)
I didn't understand why anyone would think Catholic Church would care. Now I understand. Here is an editorial from INDIA (!):

LOL. That's hilarious, thanks Highpriestess for the link.

So President Chavez is Jesus on the Cross.

Not only is this laughable (apart from the small matter of blasphemous), but does this mean the King of Spain is Pontius Pilate? Oh wait, I know.

A more royal connection -- he's King Herod.

The good thing about this situation is, as the Times of India pointed out (lamented...), it makes whatever ideological agenda he have look ridiculous because of his outrageous behaviour.

This "Por qué no te callas?" just gave every moderate in South America a much-needed boost in the arm.

Again, thank you King Juan Carlos! Imagínate tu, por tu madre!

adelaide 11-18-2007 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fanprincipesasturi (Post 694451)
ABC.es: nacional - nacional - «El Rey es un garante de la democracia española y de parte

Carlos Sources, writer: " King is a guarantee of the Spanish democracy and of the Latin American community "he thinks that the King guessed right when stopping to Chávez? - Yes, I have seen it. Somebody had to say that but nobody dared, only King,i think who all think the same but he said it. How good! To me I like that he has said it


who is really chávez?

ABC.es: domingos - domingos - Chávez El golpista

...And tormented by a persecutory odd habit: when he was a young official, their comrades-in-arms were surprised with their shouts outside place: "they want to Me to kill, are there", he said before imaginary ghosts.


Everybody knows the tendency of ABC but the articles are very good. It's interesting to know what an intelectual of left center is thinking about the Rey Juan Carlos for the incident with Chavez and generally speaking.
As I can read Carlos Sources is a mexican writer and knows very well the economic, social and cultural live od America Latina in general. It's very good to understand better a situation to read opinion of people interested at the primer plan by the events. It's because of that the ABC article is good.

Many thanks for the link.

crisiñaki 11-18-2007 10:25 PM

Chavez is the rudest President in the world, yesterday he told some journalists "OMG, I need to go to the bathroom, I'm gonna pee myself" :eek: (Necesito ir al baño, estoy que me orino)

I think that shows how his behavior is and totally justifies KJC's world: Chavez isn't a man who understand things in the right way, you have to punch things into that thick skull to make him understand

He would have never shut up if KJC haven't shouted at him to do so :cool:

RhapsodyBrat 11-19-2007 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquarela (Post 694478)
He was still rude. A well educated person doesnt scream "why dont you shut up?!"

Look at it this way: a well-educated person does not interrupt another person who is speaking to hurl insults at another person. And between how King Juan Carlos and Chavez carry their selves, it's easy to see which one took his education in earnest.

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Originally Posted by Aquarela (Post 694560)
I wonder how Catholic Church see this behaviour from Juan Carlos. A friend of mine who lives in Spain told me the spanish aristocrats didn't like his tacky behaviour.

Why should the Church meddle in this anyway? Just because King Juan Carlos and Chavez are both Catholics? I don't think so. They ought to be praying now that Chavez wisen up.:lol:

I actually find it embarassing that it had to take someone who is not from Latin America, and a king at that, to tell Chavez to shut up. and as said previously here, someone had to be the grown-up and tell the erring person to back off.

what is clear in this incident is the poor moderation by the host country. from the moment Chavez interrupted Zapatero, someone should have stepped in.

highpriestess 11-19-2007 02:27 PM

The incident hasn't been covered by most mainstream American media. The Los Angeles Times article was published a week after the incident. Here is a well-written opinion piece in today's Washington Post about the danger of Chavez and the incident:

washingtonpost.com

chuchu 11-19-2007 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by highpriestess (Post 695006)
The incident hasn't been covered by most mainstream American media. The Los Angeles Times article was published a week after the incident. Here is a well-written opinion piece in today's Washington Post about the danger of Chavez and the incident:

washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

I read the article this morning and thought the outcome would have been better for Spain if the King did ask the attendees to speak up rather than reprimanding Chavez. But of course, the king is only human who can only tke so much.

ZaJa 11-19-2007 09:15 PM

From Yahoo.com

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'Shut up' is hit ringtone in Spain

By MAR ROMAN, Associated Press WriterMon Nov 19, 6:00 PM ET

Many Spaniards were so amused when their king told Venezuela's president to "shut up" they want to hear the words every time their phone rings.
About half a million people have downloaded a mobile phone ringtone featuring the phrase "Por que no te callas?" or "Why don't you shut up?" leading Madrid daily El Pais reported on its Web site Monday.
That's what King Juan Carlos told Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez during a heated confrontation at a summit in Chile last week.
The ringtone is thought to have generated around $2.2 million for the companies selling it, El Pais said.
T-shirts and mugs featuring the words are also becoming a profitable business, and videos of the confrontation have been a hit on the YouTube Web site.
Chavez's opponents in Venezuela are no less obsessed.
Pirated copies of the quote have been popping up in the South American country.
In Venezuela, T-shirts with the slogan in Spanish have the "NO" in uppercase — a call for voting against constitutional reforms that would significantly expand Chavez's power. The Venezuelan leader says the changes would empower neighborhood-based assemblies and advance the country's transition to socialism.
"The king said what Venezuelans have wanted to say to Chavez's face for a long time," said Jenny Romero, 21, a student sporting one of the T-shirts in Caracas. "I'm wearing this T-shirt to protest everything bad that has happened in the country."
The spat last week began when Chavez repeatedly called former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar a "fascist."
Spain's current prime minister, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, asked Chavez to be more diplomatic and show respect for other leaders. As Chavez repeatedly tried to interrupt, King Juan Carlos leaned forward and said: "Why don't you shut up?"
___
Associated Press Writer Jorge Rueda contributed to this report from Caracas, Venezuela.

Duke of Marmalade 11-20-2007 06:15 AM

An english article from Times online

The quiet King who suddenly caused an uproar with his plain speaking - Times Online

janelarn 11-20-2007 03:43 PM

hello, excuse me to all because I am using a translator, but I cannot keep silent about myself before so many bilges that are said it brings over of my king and of the reaction of the spanish The first thing is that the inmense majority of the spanish we are very very very proud of our king who always defend to his country in any circurnstance. From my country i say to them that they should not notice of the slanderous rumors, and confirm to them that it has never been said that.
Certainly the king neither is a king of Sudamérica, t is not important for us, but certainly to say that América is free is a joke. Whereas "prominent figures" exist as Chavez, Ortega, Evo or Fidel it is impossible but if there is someone whom it they fascinates these prominent figures, so then for them. Spain is not going to allow that ninfún dictator insults us. Th king lives and god grants him many years of life. And that they still have clear that the inmens majority of spanish people,aristrocats or not, have been charmed with and very proud of their king

janelarn 11-20-2007 03:50 PM

And I confirm to them that has never been commented that the king should have house in México so I cannot go out my amazement when I read things as this one. Better not to invent, since the lies are not supported a lot of time. Thanks to all.

fanprincipesasturi 11-24-2007 02:00 PM

Libertad Digital: Bachelet asegura que el Rey también le dijo a Chávez "aprenda a escuchar"

King Juan Carlos of Spain not to only said " Why you do not shut up?" to the president of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, in the last Latin American Summit of Santiago, but also, "learns to listen", according to the president of Chile, Michelle Bachelet. "learns to listen" has not left in no side. What he (the king) "meant you were you had your time, now leaves the time to president Zapater", said the Chilean agent chief executive in an interview that publishes Saturday the supplement Saturday, of the newspaper Mercury


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