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lula 11-03-2007 05:16 PM

17th Ibero-American Summit in Chile: November 8-10, 2007
 
Casa de Su Majestad el Rey de España

Novermber 8 to 10

King and Queen

XVII Ibero-American Summit of Heads of State and Government
Santiago de Chile

Official web
XVII Cumbre Iberoamericana - Chile 2007

fanletizia 11-07-2007 05:01 AM

XVII Ibero-American Summit of Heads of State and government
PROGRAM HEADS OF STATE AND GOVERNMENT

THURSDAY 8 NOVEMBER

Arrival of the Heads of State and government at Airport
International Santiago, Comodoro Arturo Merino Benitez.
They will be welcomed by the Director General of ceremonial and protocol
And Ambassador of each country.
- Cordon of Honor
Short-greeting to the press - if you like -
- Transfer to Hotel in caravan of official cars.
16:00 to
17:30 Hrs. Closing Act III Iberoamerican Meeting and Business
The Civic Iberoamerican Meeting III.
Participation of some heads of state and government.
Place: Hall Torres del Paine, Marriott Hotel.
- Presentation of the conclusions of the meetings
- Words of the heads of state and government
- Dialogue with civic and business delegates.
19.00 Hrs. Arrival of guests and the Foreign Delegations to the Club
Equestrian Santiago (buses).
They carry credentials and official invitations.
20.05 Hrs. Arrival of the Heads of State and government of the Equestrian Club
Santiago in presidential capsule (protocol predetermined order).
2
0.30 Hrs. Opening Ceremony of the XVII Ibero-American Summit of Heads
State and government. (By invitation)
Place: Equestrian Club of Santiago.
- Chilean National Anthem
- Speeches:
Iberoamerican Secretary-General, Mr. Enrique Iglesias;
- President of the Oriental Republic of Uruguay, Mr.. Tabaré
Vazquez;
Secretary-General of the United Nations, Mr.. Ban Ki-moon;
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- President of the Republic of Chile, Ms. Michelle Bachelet.
- Cultural Event
- Reception
Return of the heads of state and government and their spouses to their
Respective lodging places in Presidential Capsules (without
Order protocol).

FRIDAY 9 NOVEMBER

07:00 to
08:45 Hrs. Area of time for bilateral meetings.
09:25 Hrs. Arrival of the heads of state and government to Riesco in Space
Presidential Capsule.
10:00 to
12:45 Hrs. Inaugural Meeting of the XVII summit of Heads of State and
Ibero-American government:
Attendance: Heads of state and government; Foreign Ministers + 6 (except Spain
While Portugal are + 9); And a representative for Agency
International specially invited to the Summit.
- Remarks by the President of the Republic of Chile, Ms. Michelle
Bachelet
- Report of the Secretary-General Iberoamerican Mr. Enrique Iglesias
- Statements by the heads of state and government (the
Speeches by heads of state and government are limited
At 5 minutes, can distribute a document of the Expanded
Exposure).
Location: Great Hall Riesco.
11:15 Hrs. Coffee-Break.
11:30 Hrs. Restarting the Inaugural Meeting.
12:45 Hrs. Term of the Inaugural Meeting.
12:50 Hrs. Relocation of the Heads of State and government at Cerro San Cristobal.
Buses Presidential.
13:15 Hrs. Official photo of the heads of state and government.
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Location: Tower of the Parque Metropolitano.
13.15 Hrs. Transfer of Foreign Ministers, Representatives
International agencies, and National Coordinators
Responsible for Ibero-American Cooperation, the Cerro San
Cristobal.
Buses special.
13:30 Hrs. Inauguration of "Iberoamerican Park."
Each Head of State and government plant a tree native Chilean
A section of Metropolitan Park predetermined.
13.55 to
15.30 Hrs. S.E Lunch offered by the President of the Republic of
Chile, Mrs. Michelle Bachelet, in honor of the Heads of State and
Government and the Secretary-General Iberoamericano.
Place: Restaurant Camino Real (dining higher).
When you enter the restaurant, the heads of state and government
Share a snack in the Patio-Jardín Central Restaurant
Camino Real with the Ibero-American foreign ministers and other guests
Lunch offered simultaneously the Minister for Foreign
Foreign Mr. Alejandro Foxley.
Andean Baroque Music of the Body.
13.55 to
15:30 Hrs. Lunch offered by the Foreign Minister
Chile, Mr. Alejandro Foxley, in honor of Mr. Chancellor
Iberoamerican Representatives Agencies
International Affairs, National Coordinators, Responsible for
Cooperation and ambassadors of Latin America. (By invitation).
Location: Camino Real Restaurant (South Gallery).
15:45 Hrs. Return of the heads of state and government to Space Riesco.
Buses Presidential.
16:00 Hrs. Return of Foreign Ministers, representatives Agencies
International and National Coordinators Responsible for
Cooperation in Space Riesco.
Buses special.
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16.00 to
18.30 Hrs. Withdrawal of the Heads of State and government Iberoamerica.
Place: Space Riesco (Don Edmundo Hall).
18:30 Hrs. Return of the heads of state and government at their places of
Accommodation
20.30 Hrs. Arrival of the Heads of State and government at the Palacio de La
Coin (Door Currency) Capsules Presidential.
On arrival, the Palace Guard Honors surrender of Step in
The courtyard Guns.
Official photo of the heads of state and government
Iberoamerica.
Place: Courtyard Los Naranjos,
21.00 to
23.00 Hrs. Official Dinner hosted by S.E. The President of the Republic of
Chile, Mrs. Michelle Bachelet, in honor of the Heads of State and
Ibero-American government, foreign ministers and Special Guests.
At the invitation.
Venue: Palace of La Moneda (Hall Montt-Varas).
Chamber Orchestra of the University, led by
Teacher Luis Jose Recard.

SATURDAY NOVEMBER 10
07:00 to
08:45 Hrs. Area of time for bilateral meetings of the Heads of
State and government who are not involved in the delivery of
Prizes to the Ibero-American Quality 2007.
08:30 to
08:45 Hrs.
Ibero-American Foundation for Quality Management
(FUNDIBEQ).
Attending the Heads of State and government of Chile, Colombia,
Mexico, Spain and Uruguay and special guests.
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Place: Space Riesco, Room "Aurora de Chile" (Center
International Press).
09:30 to
11:00 Hrs. Plenary Meeting of the Ibero-American Summit of Heads of State
And government.
Interventions end.
Signing of the Declaration of Santiago.
Place: Space Riesco Convention Center, Great Hall Riesco.
11:00 to
11:10 Hrs. Coffee-Break.
11:15 to
12:00 Hrs. Closing ceremony of the XVII summit Iberoamericana.de
Heads of state and government.
• Chilean National Anthem
• Statement by the Secretary-General Iberoamerican
• Address by the President of El Salvador
• Brief cultural event with the participation of the Group Musical
Children belonging to the Special School Institute Vicuna
Mackenna and the Group Los Jaivas.
• Speech final S.E. The President of the Republic of Chile
12:15 Hrs. Press Conference hosted by the presidents of Chile,
Salvador and Uruguay, and the Secretary-General Iberoamericano.
Place: Room "Aurora de Chile" (International Press Center).
Term of the official activities of the XVII summit
Ibero-American Heads of State and government.
XVII Ibero-American Summit of Heads of State and government

PROGRAM FIRST LADIES

THURSDAY 8 NOVEMBER

Arrival of Spouses of Heads of State and government to
Santiago International Airport.
20:30 Hrs. Participation in the Opening Ceremony of the XVII summit
Ibero-American Heads of State and government.
- Chilean National Anthem
- Speeches
- Cultural Events
- Reception
Place: Equestrian Club of Santiago

FRIDAY 9 NOVEMBER

09:30 Hrs. Encounter of the First Ladies in the lobby of the Tower Hotel
Sheraton (revenue per side street) to launch the
Activities.
Coordinates: Sociocultural Director of the Presidency of the Republic,
Mrs. Maria Eugenia Hirmas.
09:45 Hrs. Departure by bus from the Sheraton Hotel.
10:15 Hrs. Visit the Chamber Cradle "New Horizons" (Commune of San Joaquin)
The Integra Foundation.
11:15 Hrs. Leaving the Museum Interactive Viewpoint (MIM).
11:30 Hrs. Visiting the Interactive Museum Mirador (MIM).
The First Ladies are received by the Executive Director
Museum tour and its dependencies.
Coffee.
12:45 Hrs. Transfer to the Recoleta Dominica.
13:15 Hrs. Lunch offered by the Director of the Sociocultural Presidency
In the Republic, Madam. Maria Eugenia Hirmas, in honor of the First
Ladies Iberoamericanas.
Place: Refectory of the Faculty of Recoleta Dominica.
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Chamber Music of Youth Orchestra.
15:15 Hrs. Output at the Palacio de La Moneda.
15:30 Hrs. A brief tour of the Cultural Center and visit to The Palace
Currency.
Photo Officer (Patio de Los Naranjos).
16:30 Hrs. Back to Hotel in respective cars.
21.00 to
23.00 Hrs. Official Dinner hosted by the President of the Republic of Chile, Ms.
Michelle Bachelet, in honor of Mr. Heads of State and
Latin American government and their spouses, Foreign Ministers and Guests
Special (by invitation).
Venue: Palace of La Moneda.

SATURDAY NOVEMBER 10

Free morning.
Term of the official activities of the XVII summit
Ibero-American Heads of State and government.

https://www.iberchile.cl/prontus_iber..._embajadas.pdf

lula 11-07-2007 08:06 AM

The Queen does not travel to Chile because she is sick with flu.

lula 11-08-2007 09:14 AM

King Juan Carlos arrives to Chile

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King Juan Carlos arrives at Arturo Merino Benitez international airport in Santiago, Thursday, Nov. 8

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lula 11-08-2007 10:04 AM

King Juan Carlos de Borbon arrives at Santiago's airport to attend the XVII Ibero American Summit with presidents and heads of state of Latin American countries, Spain and Portugal.

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lula 11-08-2007 01:27 PM

King Juan Carlos of Spain arrives at the Intercontinental hotel in Santiago

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lula 11-08-2007 03:36 PM

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El Rey llega a la Cumbre Iberoamericana - videos.abc.es

lula 11-09-2007 03:33 AM

Opening ceremony of the 17th Ibero-American Summit at the Riding Club, in Santiago de Chile

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lula 11-09-2007 10:02 AM

Chile's president Michelle Bachelet and King Juan Carlos of Spain arrive at the XVII Ibero American summit in Santiago

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lula 11-09-2007 10:50 AM

The First Ladies have visited a "room cradle" that will take the name of the Infanta Leonor. The Queen would have liked very much the visit and the detail, that sad that she hasn´t done the trip.

Las Primeras Damas visitaron una sala cuna en San Joaquín

lula 11-09-2007 01:20 PM

Meeting with the President of Ecuador, Rafael Correa

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Meeting with the President of Uruguay, Tabaré Vázquez

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The King plants a tree on the Ibero-American Park.

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lula 11-09-2007 02:41 PM

The family photograph of the Ibero American Summit at the cerro San Cristobalan in Santiago

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lula 11-09-2007 05:11 PM

More photos

Lunch

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The King with the President of Venezuela

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With the President of Ecuador

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lula 11-10-2007 04:05 AM

Official Dinner in La Moneda Palace

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lula 11-10-2007 06:31 AM

VIDEO

Zapatero anuncia la creación de una base en Panamá - videos.abc.es

Elsa M. 11-10-2007 12:43 PM

Ibero-Americana: Rei de Espanha manda calar Hugo Chavez - Lusa - SAPO Notícias

King Juan Carlos asked today the president of the Venezuela to shut up, after he called "fascist" to Spain's former head of Government, José Maria Aznar. "Why don't you shut up?", asked the Spanish monarch to the president of Venezuela, shortly before the end of the 17th Latin American Summit of heads of State and Government, in Santiago of Chile.

After calling "fascist" to Aznar, last Friday, today, at the closing session, Hugo Chavez repeated the insult, before King Juan Carlos and the Spanish Prime-minister José Luis Zapatero. But, contrary to what happened on Friday, today Zapatero demanded "respect" for a democratically elected president. Nevertheless, while the Spanish Prime-minister was speaking, the Venezuelan president kept arguing, reason why the Spanish king asked him to shut up. In the reply, Chavez said that Venezuela will answer "to any aggression, whenever he wants".

Regina 11-10-2007 12:55 PM

Thumbs up, His Majesty! :clap:

Elsa M. 11-10-2007 01:11 PM

Cumbre.- El Rey abandonó por unos momentos la sesión plenaria para mostrar el "disgusto" de la delegación española - Yahoo! Noticias

King Juan Carlos abandonned today, for a few minutes, the second plenary session of the 17th Latin American Summit, after asking the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, to shut up and not interrupt the Spanish Prime-minister, José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who was demanding "respect" for the former head of the Spanish Executive, José Maria Aznar.

Don Juan Carlos abandoned his chair, while the president of Nicaragua, Daniel Ortega, was showing his discontentment for the interruption of Chávez.

princess leonor 11-10-2007 01:23 PM

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Cumbre.- El Rey abandonó por unos momentos la sesión plenaria para mostrar el "disgusto" de la delegación española - Yahoo! Noticias

King Juan Carlos abandonned today, for a few minutes, the second plenary session of the 17th Latin American Summit, after asking the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, to shut up and not interrupt the Spanish Prime-minister, José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who was demanding "respect" for the former head of the Spanish Executive, José Maria Aznar.

Don Juan Carlos abandoned his chair, while the president of Nicaragua, Daniel Ortega, was showing his discontentment for the interruption of Chávez.

That sure is making a statament. Go King Juan Carlos :clap: Although I'm not sure Aznar is worth it :eek:, I do understand it was the governments acts Zapatero, and the King by walking out, were defending.

princess leonor 11-10-2007 02:54 PM

Here's a video of the moment when Juan Carlos apparently annoyed and angry at Chavez says: Porque no te callas:

"¿Por qué no te callas?", espetó el Rey a Chávez en la Cumbre Iberoamericana - 20minutos.es

Por qué no te callas?", espetó el Rey a Chávez en la Cumbre Iberoamericana
El Rey Juan Carlos de España espetó este sábado, en el Plenario de la Cumbre Iberoamericana, al presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, "¿por qué no te callas?", ante las descalificaciones vertidas por éste contra el ex presidente del gobierno español, José María Aznar.
Acto seguido el rey abandonó el plenario mientras el presidente nicaragüense, Daniel Ortega, criticaba a empresas españolas. Poco después el monarca regresaba a la cumbre de clausura.

El presidente de Venezuela llamó fascista a Aznar hasta en tres ocasiones durante su primer discurso en la cumbre Iberoamericana.
Hoy Chávez volvió a atacar duramente al ex jefe del Gobierno español, José María Aznar, al que calificó de nuevo de "fascista" y sostuvo que en una conversación privada le respondió "esos se jodieron (sic)" al aludir a los países más pobres del mundo.

El Rey, enojado
Chávez reveló detalles de una conversación mantenida con Aznar durante la visita oficial a Caracas que el entonces presidente del Gobierno hizo en julio de 1999 para "invitarle" a incorporarse al "club del primer mundo".
Esa actitud de Chávez provocó la intervención del Rey, sentado entre Zapatero y su ministro de Exteriores, Miguel Angel Moratinos, y cerca de Chávez para dirigirse a él y, enojado y señalándole con el dedo, recriminarle: ¿Por qué no te callas?

La presidenta de Chile y anfitriona de la cumbre, Michelle Bachelet, tuvo que mediar para intentar evitar que la sesión se convirtiera en un cruce de acusaciones, y cedió de nuevo la palabra a Zapatero, quien insistió en la necesidad de no caer en la descalificación pese a que se discrepe radicalmente de las ideas o comportamientos de otra persona.

tdarlene 11-10-2007 03:32 PM

I watched right now on the news, I just was like :eek:, no one can stand President Chavez, but I just hope that the King didn't cause any diplomatic accident with, but at leat HM was the only person who had 'balls' enough to shut up Chavez, and as a King, HM just did his role defending Spain and his people.

Redferns 11-10-2007 03:51 PM

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Spanish King Tells Venezuela's Chavez to `Shut Up' (Update1)

Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Spain's King Juan Carlos I told Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to ``shut up'' minutes after Chavez referred to former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar Lopez as a ``fascist.''

The king's comments came while Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero was taking the microphone for the second time today to address Chavez at the end of the Ibero-American heads of state summit in Santiago.

Bloomberg.com: Latin America

Redferns 11-10-2007 03:54 PM

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El Rey a Chávez: ¿'Por qué no te callas?' | elmundo.es videos:boxing:

lula 11-10-2007 03:56 PM

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I watched right now on the news, I just was like :eek:, anybody would be tired of the president Chavez, but I just hope that the King didn't cause any diplomatic accident with the President Chavez.

The King left the room of agreement with the Prime minister and the Spanish Minister of Exteriors. Chavez always is a problem, I do not believe that the best things or they deteriorate for this, he always behaves this way.

Call repeatedly fascist to a Spanish ex-president chosen democratically by the citizens it is slightly unacceptable, and more in a forum of this type. Chavez has demonstrated an absolute lack of respect for all and for everything. Probably be the King the only one that dares to keep silent about him, the King was the one who established these summits and who goes years fighting in order that they work and who has convinced often many Chiefs of State in order that they represent. It happened today it is bad for all the countries that were represented there.

The King and Zapatero defending Aznar ... incredible but certain...

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Marcus 11-10-2007 04:11 PM

The King was very brave in this occasion, he came not only in defence of Aznar but also in defence of President Zapatero who was being constantly interrupted by that dictator Chavez.
With this event and the succesful recent visit to Ceuta and Melilla I guess he is going to be very popular again!

princess leonor 11-10-2007 04:13 PM

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The King and Zapatero defending Aznar ... incredible but certain...

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So true, who would have even thought that would happen, especially considering Zapatero and Aznar's party are constantly at eachothers throats. :lol: Nice pictures Lula! I love the one of the King wearing glasses, had never seen him like that before

fanprincipesasturi 11-10-2007 05:02 PM

Libertad Digital: El Rey manda callar a Chávez y abandona el acto de clausura de la Cumbre Iberoamericana

Then, the nicaraguense took part in the controversy Daniel Ortega in support of theses of Chávez and, that as well criticized the performance in its country of the electrical company Spanish Fenosa Union. Before this intervention, the King rose of the table and left the act, to which he returned minutes later.
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fanprincipesasturi 11-10-2007 05:05 PM

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Thumbs up, His Majesty! :clap:

bravo bravo bravo majestad!!!!

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The King was very brave in this occasion, he came not only in defence of Aznar but also in defence of President Zapatero who was being constantly interrupted by that dictator Chavez.
With this event and the succesful recent visit to Ceuta and Melilla I guess he is going to be very popular again!

the spirit of ceuta and melilla :smile::smile::smile:

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The King and Zapatero defending Aznar ... incredible but certain...


the king knows that to aznar he is the best one

fanprincipesasturi 11-10-2007 06:19 PM

answers to the attitude of the king:
ELMUNDO.ES - FORO
I am of Caracas and I cannot let see the video of the only human being who has been able to materialize the general feeling of Venezuela and I believe that of the World, gentlemen of the world the Venezuelans we are not like viva el rey viva españa, Alex/Caracas

YouTube - zapatero recrimina a Hugo Chaves por llamar fascista a Azna

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why you do not shut up?

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magnik 11-10-2007 06:30 PM

I watched it on TV about 3 hours ago. It reminds me old films about powerfull monarchs which decided about someone's live or death.

I was laughing on Chavez reaction to the King's words - it was something: what?! how this man, this king could say something like that to me...:biggrin:

Go Juan Carlos:cool:


You never know when you find defenders...specially if the one is your political adversary.

Regina 11-10-2007 06:47 PM

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You never know when you find defenders...specially if the one is your political adversary.

You bet. :smile:

I think the King and Mr.Zapatero were both Great tonight!

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why you do not shut up?

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I could watch it all night long! :biggrin:

Elsa M. 11-10-2007 06:53 PM

Ibero-Americana: Aznar agradece "defesa" do seu nome ao rei de Espanha e a Zapatero - Lusa - SAPO Notícias

The former Prime-Minister José Maria Aznar telephoned today to the King of Spain and to the Zapatero, to thank them the defence of his name, after the Venezuelan president had called him "fascist", during the Ibero-American Summit.

lula 11-10-2007 06:58 PM

It is not an adversaries' question, it is a question of respect and education.

What is not understandable is that a Chief of State interrupts the shift of word of a President of the Government, to impose his opinions, and to criticize and to insult the predecessor of other one. Like it is not acceptable that begins a discussion on Spanish companies, which are private companies that do their business, and if they have a problem they will have to discuss it with it not with the Spanish Government. It is curious, to criticize to the Spanish companies they turns out to be very profitable in their populist speech .... what not turns out to be to them beneficial is to say the thousands of millions that Spain destines to the development of their countries.

TLLK 11-10-2007 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fanprincipesasturi (Post 691235)
answers to the attitude of the king:
ELMUNDO.ES - FORO
I am of Caracas and I cannot let see the video of the only human being who has been able to materialize the general feeling of Venezuela and I believe that of the World, gentlemen of the world the Venezuelans we are not like viva el rey viva españa, Alex/Caracas

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I'm a little unsure. Is Alex opposed or in favor of the King's actions?

crisiñaki 11-10-2007 08:33 PM

LOVE IT!

I gotta say: Go ZP and Go JC!

ZP is not one of my favourite people, but he showed his worth defending the spanish democracy and defending Aznar just for the sake of being elected by the same spaniards that elected him!

And for the King, what can I say? I would have thrown the mic to Chavez if I was there, that man was insulting Spain! :hammer: :bang: :bang:

So, the two leaders of Spain fought and defended the country's dignity and pride!:clap::clap:

Oh dear God: give a long long long long life to KJC, please, at least 'till I die, so I can go easily go to bed and rest every night :smile:

sadie 11-10-2007 09:35 PM

Hi everyone, i haven't post in a while but i just had to do it this time:sad:.

As a venezuelan i just feel terribly embarrast for the actions of our president today, i just hope you know, he in no way represents the feeling of the majority of the people of this country. This is not the way we are!

Today the king was able to say what many of us have wanted to say for a long time, given that we have to live with this kind of behaviour and speech everyday of our life.

My admiration and respect goes to King Juan Carlos and President Zapatero.

crisiñaki 11-10-2007 09:54 PM

don't worry sadie, we know how wonderful, kind and respectful you all are:flowers:
Venezuela is a wonderful country, filled with amazing people, where you always feel at home, always find a friend

you're not the only one who would have said that to Chavez, KJC did what a lot of people (politician or not) have wanted to do for a long time ;)

KJC once again proved he has collons (balls) to speak his mind and to defend his country :flowers:

PR Princess 11-10-2007 10:12 PM

Finally, someone stood up with that stupid jerk president. I feel so sorry for Venezuela for having a president like Chavez. YOU GO :king3:KING CARLOS, YOUR THE MAN!:clap::spainflag::clap:. He does not have to take his bull, I for sure wouldn't, perhaps only Fidel Castro.

BeautyLeonor 11-10-2007 10:46 PM

Well, as a venezuelan person I feel so bad and sad.. this man... this man... this man do all that he want, his hobbie is to put Venezuela as the worst country, with bad persons like HIM... but here we ARE NOT like this man... we are different......these are the moments when I can't stop to cry !!!:verysad::sad:
My respect for the King and Zapatero.
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lucien 11-11-2007 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLLK (Post 691264)
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I'm a little unsure. Is Alex opposed or in favor of the King's actions?

In favor I would say,who can not be?!!!!!!
Fantastic action by HM.

dazzling 11-11-2007 03:39 AM

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez deserved a few words from the king because I dont see him acting like a president but more like a child. I guess interupting someones speech is just rude/not nice at all.

Im not too sure how the relation is between the king & the prime minister but that was a good step comeing from the king. Now, I wonder how this would effect the two countries relation:cool:

Thanks for posting the video, I could watch it over & over :biggrin:

asturiana 11-11-2007 06:57 AM

Thanks for the video :flowers:. I just can say: Bravo HM :king3:.

giov 11-11-2007 07:22 AM

The King was great!!:flowers::flowers::flowers:
How lucky are the Spanish people to have a King who defend them like that!

carlota 11-11-2007 07:32 AM

i'm amazed: where was the diplomatic protocol behind these events?

chavez has in many ocassions shown his bad-manners and that he is everything but a president. it's disgusting the way he refers to the king and to the other memebrs of the summit. the faces of the other presidents were of such surprise! i never saw the king acting so stiffly and in such a non-diplomatic way, so i guess chavez must have really got past the limit.

i generally don't like zapatero and i'm not a supporter of his party but even so, he is miles away from practically all the south american leaders, full of demagogy. i doubt any other international forum is as relaxed and as "anecdotic" as this one. where there any outcomes in any of this summits? judging by the comments of the latin presidents this year, i doubt so.

lula 11-11-2007 08:06 AM

Chavez looked for the protagonism that was not having. He tried it on Friday, and the Spanish delgation was quiet during the meeting and after it of asked him not to behave that way. But it did not matter for him, on saturday, interrupted the speech of the Spanish President and continued attacking the Spanish. Ultimately, if the things are not understood by the good ones, it comes near to this point ... if the King lost his diplomats forms, but I believe, that unfortunately, this it is the only way of keeping silent Chavez.

Ultimately, about the content of the summit nobody speaks. Nobody speaks either of the social topics that treated, or of the agreements for the development of the education in these countries, or the agreements on equality... While Chavez insults the Spanish ex-prime minister and the Spanish companies.... Spain comes with helps and more helps, with the establishment of one sedate humanitarian in Center America to help in case of catastrophe, with the promise to continue excusing the debt to these countries to invert this money in education, with money for a social fund and with 1.500 million dollars to create a fund to provide with drinkable water more than 4 million persons.

Ultimately the important thing gives up to come to absurd polemics.

marenostrum 11-11-2007 08:53 AM

Bravo for the king!!
He has once again demonstrated in these last weeks is a great king, and has earned the support of his people.
The voices criticism and the strong campaign of discredit not only have not been able to, but have become ridiculous and have only served to increase their prestige and the support of his people:spainflag::spainflag::spainflag::king::king3:

Marcus 11-11-2007 08:53 AM

I have read some papers today and researched in the internet and I can say that the reaction in Spain for his words to Hugo Chavez have been almost unanimously cheering the king's words. In fact some people say that someone must have said that to Chavez much earlier! He is known for his lengthy speeches against everybody that doesn't agree 100% with his ideas. So King Juan Carlos has spoken in behalf of thousands of others.

Also, some people in the internet are starting to upload parodies and jokes about all this affair. Check this, and I will publish here some more when I find them.


https://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u.../rey_troll.jpg

Doña Metizia 11-11-2007 10:20 AM

I did not get to see the video until midnight, and I think I woke all my neighbors with my cheering for the king. That took b...guts!

Chavez is so annoying, he has the right to criticize everyone but no one has the right to criticize him. Hypocrite.

The O.C. Fanatic 11-11-2007 10:24 AM

Like most people in this thread I LOVED how Juan Carlos stood up to President Chavez it was about time somebody did.

Juan Carlos gestured to Chavez to shut up like once I think but Chavez kept running off at the mouth as he usually does about everything and anything.

Juan Carlos = 45769023... President Chavez = -0

popy 11-11-2007 10:54 AM

:clap: Bravo for the King!!!

Mascha 11-11-2007 12:12 PM

Someone finally said something! BRAVO JC!:spainflag:

*SofiaM* 11-11-2007 12:29 PM

:rofl: I have a feeling that this will be one of those moments (and phrases), that will go down in history with King Juan Carlos.

At the end of the day Chavez looked to be getting on pretty much everyone's nerves and for the King to say something like that publicly, shows how extremely annoyed he was.
And judging by the reaction of the media and the people, not just in Spain, but other countries too, there doesn't seem to be too much of a problem with what JC said. :king:

To Sadie and BeautyLeonor, I speak from experience in saying that I know your President does not represent many of the people of your country. Like crisiñaki already said, Venezuela is a country full of some wonderful people and I personally won't let the actions of this man alter my opinion of you. :flowers:

crisiñaki 11-11-2007 01:04 PM

yep Sofi, like the 23F is one of those legendary JC moves :lol:
I loved how he defended his two presidents and his country against this...*cough* thing *cough* I mean man :rolleyes:

Marcus 11-11-2007 02:11 PM

More jokes about the incident....

¡Que nadie se calle! | elmundo.es

magnik 11-11-2007 02:13 PM

It's good to be a King :biggrin: sometimes...

anag 11-11-2007 02:45 PM

I've never been so amazed by a royal. Good for him, in my opinion someone needed to tell Chavez to shut up, and I'm glad it was the King. It's what everyone in Miami is talking about!

Ani

fanprincipesasturi 11-11-2007 02:47 PM

Most of the Spaniards they supported Sunday to king Juan Carlos to command to shut up to the president of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, that described as "fascista" to the ex- president of the Government Jose Maria Aznar.
Respaldo en España a la reacción del Rey Juan Carlos

asturiana 11-11-2007 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus (Post 691614)
More jokes about the incident....

¡Que nadie se calle! | elmundo.es

Thanks. Youtube video is so funny :biggrin:.

carlota 11-11-2007 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisiñaki (Post 691627)
https://i13.tinypic.com/8ad61ih.jpg

Chavez looks like KJC's bodyguard or something like that :devil:, I mean, the guy doesn't remotely look like a Chief of State, is too cheap and doesn't look smart or good
Class is class, some people have it, some don't :cool:

i quite agree, although i have some reservations on the fact that good appearance equals beign a good presidency. i know of one of the summit presidents (eg, latin american president) who looks okay(ish) and wouldn't make it past the first round of the best president.

contrary to what i would have thought, many spaniards liked the reaction of the king. i must say i didn't see him more upset in a long time! he did really well though, chavez was most annoying.

adelaide 11-11-2007 06:38 PM

Thanks everybody for all the informations and the comments about this "incident". First, it's the proof that the diplomacy is something that you have to learn, isen't it, then for some "chief of state" - yes it's Chavez himself who is giving this title for him, and it's true because he had been elected third by 63% of the votes......- the diplomacy is a no man's land! Understatment....

Spanish people are very lucky to have a King so corageous!

ZaJa 11-11-2007 08:25 PM

My first post lol. I'm glad the king told Chavez to shut up. Mr Chavez thinks it's heroic to interrupt people and call names. He behaves like a child and I don't see that helping his country. It may not be the "grown up" thing to do or something befitting a king but I'm glad someone got to tell him off for a change.

Duncan 11-12-2007 04:08 AM

The video of the incident with English subtitles:

YouTube - Juan Carlos, Chávez: "Shut up" (ENGLISH SUBTITLES)

Note that Chávez didn't shut up after being warned by the king.

susan alicia 11-12-2007 05:18 AM

King Juan Carlos tells Hugo Chávez to shut up during the closure of the Ibero-American summit

so funny, watched the you tube recording with translation and Spain has a very impressive PM, very eloquent

Carminha Stalker 11-12-2007 05:26 AM

Well done, Your Majesty. Here in Brasil, many people who are fed up too, call it "the phrase of the year".

melodie_del_mar 11-12-2007 06:26 AM

I agree with Mascha and others- bravo! It was great- at last somebody stopped this clown. It can be various attitudes to fidel Castro, but I have never heard he insulted anybody as Chavez always does. Juan Carlos acted as a head of the State and as a man and it was great!

Ennyllorac 11-12-2007 08:47 AM

Let's please be careful and make sure that this does not turn into a political discussion and lets remember to respect others' opinions.

Duke of Marmalade 11-12-2007 09:36 AM

There are not many heads of state who will get away with something like that but JC is one of them. It will actually add to his charisma :cool: Somehow it reminded me of Nikita Khrushchev and his notorious shoe-banging incident :lol:

lilytornado 11-12-2007 11:58 AM

Hugo Chavez fuels row with Spain after King tells him to "shut up" - Times Online

TLLK 11-12-2007 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duncan (Post 691877)
The video of the incident with English subtitles:

YouTube - Juan Carlos, Chávez: "Shut up" (ENGLISH SUBTITLES)

Note that Chávez didn't shut up after being warned by the king.

Thank you for posting this youtube video. I had not been able to follow Chavez' remarks before seeing this one.

Aquarela 11-12-2007 06:51 PM

ok :smile: i know im in minority here but i dont agree with Juan Carlos behaviour. I understand his reaction but I don't agree.
Chavez is a rude man and a real "fascist" imo, but he was elected by his people... JC wasn't. We shouldnt forget that P. Aznar offended Chavez in the first place using the same words that Chavez did this time... Just because Chavez is a dictator (imo) it doesnt give powers to JC order him to shut up...
I liked the diplomatic way Zapatiro talked with him, but the King was not in his days for sure. You can't ( a King can't) tell 'shut up' to a president of another country... In this summit... where were the moderators? Where were they?!...
They are the ones who should tell Chavez to stop to talk, to stop with the rude manners... not the King!
In TRF you cant tell anyone 'why don't you shut up?' even if you dont like someone's posts... I think the King should come here more times :rolleyes:

I am not seeing Queen Elizabeth shouting to Robert Mugabe 'why dont you shut up?!'................ :cool: It would be fun i agree but a Queen/King should know her/his place 24 hours a day.

crisiñaki 11-12-2007 10:36 PM

YouTube - Rey Juan Carlos vs Hugo Chavez (version 300)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

there's a ringtone with the whole "Why don't you shut up", my grandma has it on her cellphone right now :lol:

Royal Fan 11-12-2007 10:47 PM

BRAVO YOUR MAJESTY! You serve your country proud! its about time someone told that Fascist a thing or two!!!!!!! HURRAH!

Harry's polo shirt 11-12-2007 11:37 PM

I love that he told him to shut up! That was brilliant. It really showed me that Spain isn't going to put up with that stuff anymore.

Angelina 11-13-2007 02:54 AM

Chavez's rudeness
 
I have to disagree with King Juan Carlos' behaviour; he is only stepping down to Chavez's level. I heartily applaud and approve of Zapatero's behaviour. He behaved as a true dignified diplomat. With mere words he was able to convey what a rude boor Chavez is and he liftted himself up above the fray. That is exactly how all true diplomats should behave.

Aquarela 11-13-2007 04:38 AM

i agree with you, angelina. i just cant believe people agree with a king who tell others (no matter who they are) to shut up. once again, where were the moderators in this summit?....

i remember when letizia said to prince felipe to shut up and let her talk. she didnt say "shut up" but almost. I believe the "shut up" thing is a common thing in this family :ohmy:

altagrace 11-13-2007 04:39 AM

I too am in minority here but i dont agree with Juan Carlos behaviour. A better answer would have been a very firm "please listen senor" accompanied by a royal frown or raised eye brow. This would have been more constructive.
I agree with Angelina the King stepped down to Chavez's level. but I admire the spanish people's patriotism in showing support for their King.

susan alicia 11-13-2007 04:46 AM

they were all hot headed, caught up in a heated discussion, "shut up" (and let others talk) was imo justified. I was very impressed by the response of the spanish pm, very dignified and intelligent.

lula 11-13-2007 04:55 AM

If, someone does not deal to reasons, since it is Chavez's case, sometimes it is necessary to say the things like that to him.

Chavez was going two days doing the same thing without nobody was quiet him. The Spanish asked him on Friday to behave and not to enter in debates and in critiques to persons who were not there and that were out of place in a summit like this. But he continued insisting ... and not only insist, but was interrupting constant the shift of word of Zapatero. The President of Chile should have kept silent Chavez, because he did not have right to speak in that moment. But if it does not do anything, ultimately the logical thing is that anybody says it to him.

Now Chavez continues, and continues ... manipulating the situation that was what was searching from the first moment. Because while one speaks about this, one does not speak that he wants to reform the Constitution of his country to be perpetuated in power and of that he is suppressing with violence the students who demonstrate against him.

Angelina 11-13-2007 05:44 AM

chavez's behavior
 
If Chavez had told King Juan Carlos to shut up, everyone would be saying what an uncouth, barbarian dictator Chavez is. I think this type of behavior is improper for either party and I cannot condone it, and especially since it happened in such a public forum. It was up to the moderator to keep the comments on topic and if Chavez was overstepping the bounds, someone should have pressed the moderator to take action. What King Juan Carlos did is the type of chastising that is better done in private with a smile on the lips and delivered as a joke.

lula 11-13-2007 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelina (Post 692372)
What King Juan Carlos did is the type of chastising that is better done in private with a smile on the lips and delivered as a joke.

There there is the mistake of your reasoning ... the previous day and the same day, all the members of the Spanish group ... the King, the President, the Minister, the Secretariat for Latin America ... they had asked Chavez PRIVATELY that was behaving. Chavez not only did not behave well, but he worsened his behavior interrupting several times to Zapatero. Beside doing numerous insulting commentaries to the politics, the diplomacy and the Spanish businessmen.

Another mistake in your reasoning is to think that the King would interrupt a person who is in the legitimate use of the word. Neither the King nor the majority of the politicians who were in this meeting they would do it, for a simple question of education.

Angelina 11-13-2007 09:09 AM

reasoning
 
My reasoning is that regardless of the circumstances a public figure always maintains his/her dignity and the high road and never stoops to the level of his opponent. Once an individual stoops to the level of their opponent, things can only go downhill from there. As far I'm concerned, Zapatero came off as the consummate diplomat while King Juan Carlos only managed to look as boorish as Chavez. As to Chavez, he's cooking his own goose and doesn't need any help from anyone else.

giov 11-13-2007 09:57 AM

In my opinion, as I have already written, Juan Carlos did right, as Chavez was really rude.
Anyways thinking it over, I think that JC should have left, as he did, without saying anything. Probably nobody could have criticised the king for not being "royal".
For example, on the main Italian tv news, Tg1, they said it was like "any common talk show argue". They focused only on what the King said, and not on Chavez behaviour, like on most of the newspapers in the world.
Anyways, I am not an expert on diplomacy, but Chavez was rude and annoying and ...........when it is enough is enough.

crisiñaki 11-13-2007 10:56 AM

I think this is sort of Michelle Bachelet's fault, she didn't moderate when Chavez started, if she would have done so, KJC wouldn't have screamed at him:ermm:

Chavez saw that one coming whether it was from the King or anything else:rolleyes:

Duke of Marmalade 11-13-2007 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisiñaki (Post 692485)
Chavez saw that one coming whether it was from the King or anything else:rolleyes:

This is what he wanted? Again everybody is talking about him and that he lived up to his reputation, being able to provoke a King who promptly lost his countenance.

lula 11-13-2007 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade (Post 692492)
This is what he wanted? Again everybody is talking about him and that he lived up to his reputation, being able to provoke a King who promptly lost his countenance.

Yes, it was what he wanted. This allows him to continue with his demagogic speech, to attract his public and to remove it from the real problem that exists in Venezuela. Chavez is in campaign to make changes in the Constitution, and with these changes be perpetuated in the power ... in Venezuela there have been protest of students that been suppressed by the police and in that there have been victims. Chavez needs to distract the attention.:rolleyes:

princess leonor 11-13-2007 11:25 AM

What we cannot forget is that Chavez had been anoying all along, not staying quiet when he had to, etc. So I don't think any other way of asking him to keep his mouth shut, would have helped either. So, for that matter, I think it's brilliant one man dared standing up and saying that, somehting that I'm sure many others were thinking, but were afraid to say.
I'm not a linguist but I was just wondering, is "shut up" the best translation we have of the Kings Words? It just seems to be that to tell somebody to shut up sounds much more harsh, that the spanish"porque no te callas'. Doesn't it?

Duke of Marmalade 11-13-2007 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula (Post 692501)
Chavez is in campaign to make changes in the Constitution, and with these changes be perpetuated in the power ... in Venezuela there have been protest of students that been suppressed by the police and in that there have been victims. Chavez needs to distract the attention.:rolleyes:

Chavez is in good company with other leaders, being elected or not, who will distract attention from severe problems in their own countries by making polemic expressions towards others.

Marengo 11-13-2007 03:28 PM

So, did anybody use the Kings remark as a ringtone of their phone? According to Dutch News programme ´4 in het land´ it is very popular and they even let us hear a popular variation: The Kings remark combined with a house beat. So, where can I donwload it? ;)

princess leonor 11-13-2007 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 692623)
So, did anybody use the Kings remark as a ringtone of their phone? According to Dutch News programme ´4 in het land´ it is very popular and they even let us hear a popular variation: The Kings remark combined with a house beat. So, where can I donwload it? ;)

Haha, seriously, a ringtone? :lol: That's brilliant. Let me know if you happen to find it online, I'd love to hear that :biggrin:

Mari_* 11-13-2007 04:51 PM

Yes, princess_leonor he said "porque no te callas?" and that would be a "why don't you shut up?"

Yeahhh I heard about the ringtone. :lol:
My internet didn't work since thursday!. When I saw the news about the King I thought, hey a new topic for the TFR, I'll have a lot to read.

marian 11-13-2007 06:36 PM

I dont want to Juan Carlos willbe go to America more. He is a stupid, he is a rich man that he has interested in America for money. He isnt our friend, he has maybe houses and other business that is only his interest. In Oaxaca, Mexico, he has a beautiful house with beach gift of ex president Carlos Salinas. He see to America with his. He thinks as our king and America is free.
oh Thank you God.

JUAN CARLOS VETE A CASA.

Regina 11-13-2007 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marian (Post 692723)
I dont want to Juan Carlos willbe go to America more. He is a stupid, he is a rich man that he has interested in America for money. He isnt our friend, he has maybe houses and other business that is only his interest. In Oaxaca, Mexico, he has a beautiful house with beach gift of ex president Carlos Salinas. He see to America with his. He thinks as our king and America is free.
oh Thank you God.

JUAN CARLOS VETE A CASA.

I understand you may have your complains and you have all the right to say you don't like Juan Carlos, but I don't agree he thinks he is the King of South America.
Chavez behaved like a bully child who doesn't stop to say rude and mean things with one only purpose: cause moral damage. Imo, he also behaved like a Coward, because he offended a person who was not present. But well, we are used to it: Chavez always insult people when they are far away...
The King behaved very well. Probably if it was now, he would reacted differently, I don't believe he is the kind of man who tells "why don't you shut up?" to the person he doesn't agree with. But even a King can loose his head sometimes, and this time was for a very good cause! King Juan Carlos is the first man who dared to confront the rude Chavez, face to face. And to me, it seemed fantastic. If I was a Spaniard I would be very proud of him.

avrilo 11-13-2007 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marian (Post 692723)
I dont want to Juan Carlos willbe go to America more. He is a stupid, he is a rich man that he has interested in America for money. He isnt our friend, he has maybe houses and other business that is only his interest. In Oaxaca, Mexico, he has a beautiful house with beach gift of ex president Carlos Salinas. He see to America with his. He thinks as our king and America is free.
oh Thank you God.

JUAN CARLOS VETE A CASA.


What does Salinas has to do with this?, he was president of Mexico decades ago and if you are gonna say something like that about the house you'd better have prove other wise is difamation! COME ON GET OVER HIM!

If you dislike the monarchy so much why are you in a thread like this?.

I'm really glad the king has said that to Chavez, because I feel a lot of people would like to say that to that... man

Drottning 11-13-2007 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marian (Post 692723)
I dont want to Juan Carlos willbe go to America more. He is a stupid, he is a rich man that he has interested in America for money. He isnt our friend, he has maybe houses and other business that is only his interest. In Oaxaca, Mexico, he has a beautiful house with beach gift of ex president Carlos Salinas. He see to America with his. He thinks as our king and America is free.
oh Thank you God.

JUAN CARLOS VETE A CASA.

Eh???????:ermm::ermm::ermm::ohmy::ohmy::ohmy:

Why are you participating in a royalty forum then? And what about this supposed house in Mexico??? I have never heard of this before! Please don't start spreading rumors unless you don't have the facts to back then up:bang:

Btw....VIVA EL REY!!!!!!!!!!

Drottning 11-13-2007 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquarela (Post 692352)

i remember when letizia said to prince felipe to shut up and let her talk. she didnt say "shut up" but almost. I believe the "shut up" thing is a common thing in this family :ohmy:

Didn't the prince interrupt her while she was speaking? That smacks of rudeness. And I believe what she said was "Dejame terminar, mi amor" which translates to my very rudimentary knowledge of spanish as "Let me finish, my love". Not quite as close to saying shut up, IMO;)

Mari_* 11-13-2007 11:44 PM

Yes, people have always criticized her to death about that. When she actually never said "shut up" to him.

And hey, for a reason on those summits when a president is talking the other microphones are off, so that no one interrupts when someone's speaking but apparently Mr. Chavez isn't smart enough to know that.

lalalovely 11-14-2007 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princess leonor (Post 692502)
I'm not a linguist but I was just wondering, is "shut up" the best translation we have of the Kings Words? It just seems to be that to tell somebody to shut up sounds much more harsh, that the spanish"porque no te callas'. Doesn't it?

To me, it felt more like a "why don't you be quiet" kind of comment. "Shut up" does seem to be kinda harsh.

Duncan 11-14-2007 09:19 AM

Chávez and Zapatero give their respective versions about the incident (English subtitles):

YouTube - Chávez, Zapatero explain "Shut Up" incident (EN subtitles)

highpriestess 11-16-2007 01:41 PM

I read all the news around this incident with amusement. JC got a lot of cudos from American press by the way. Here are several news paper editorials:

Charleston, SC Latest Editorial News: Deserved royal putdown for Chavez

Today in Investor's Business Daily stock analysis and business news

There's an editorial in Dallas Morning News a few days ago and I can't find it now. An editorial in South Africa called JC "Juan Carlos the Brave". I can't find that article either. There are several articles in Miami Herald and this is the latest:

King's 'Shut Up' a Ringtone Hit - HispanicBusiness.com

GlitteringTiaras 11-17-2007 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marian (Post 692723)
I dont want to Juan Carlos willbe go to America more. He is a stupid, he is a rich man that he has interested in America for money. He isnt our friend, he has maybe houses and other business that is only his interest. In Oaxaca, Mexico, he has a beautiful house with beach gift of ex president Carlos Salinas. He see to America with his. He thinks as our king and America is free.
oh Thank you God.

JUAN CARLOS VETE A CASA.


He's not nor I doubt he will ever think of himself as the King of South America. Just because he has a house in Mexico means nothing. I find His Majesty King Juan Carlos to be a very good king for his country.

Besides that, there is a very good in today's LA Times about His Majesty:
Quote:

BOGOTA, COLOMBIA -- Someone finally told Hugo Chavez to shut up, and the Spanish-speaking world can hardly stop talking about it.
Finally. Someone had to do it, why not King Juan Carlos.:biggrin:
Click here to read the rest of the story as well as commentary.


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