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VuMom 08-29-2007 10:27 AM

Charles and Camilla: The Marriage (2005 and on)
I don't know if this belongs or if it's allowed, remove if it's not. :flowers: Do you guys think if there was no Diana in Charles life (Or for that matter, someone like her. I.e. pushed into his life), would he have married Camilla earlier?

hornsen 08-29-2007 10:43 AM

Yes. She is the love of his life. He couldnīt survive without her.
But the question isnīt because of Diana. IMO it could have been every girl if the RF had wished it. For Charles there only was and is Camilla.

Elspeth 08-29-2007 10:55 AM

Well, he couldn't have married her once she was married to Andrew Parker Bowles. Once Camilla and Andrew were divorced - which probably only happened because of the high profile of Charles and Camilla's affair, which wouldn't have been the case without Diana in the equation - there was the little matter of the Queen Mother putting her foot down about remarriage of divorced people. And since in the royal family the Queen Mother's opinion appeared to be equivalent to the Word of God, I think they'd still have had to wait till after her death before they could have married.

So, no, I don't think things would have turned out that differently, except that if Diana hadn't made the affair public, Camilla would probably have just remained Charles's mistress and might still be married to Andrew.

Empress 08-29-2007 10:57 AM

And here I am willing to bet that she is rolling fit to make a cyclone in her gold leaf coffin.

Elspeth 08-29-2007 10:59 AM

Who - Diana or the Queen Mum?

Empress 08-29-2007 11:04 AM

The Queen Mum naturally.

Elspeth 08-29-2007 11:20 AM

Well, she was certainly the right shape for rolling...:hiding::whistling:

Empress 08-29-2007 11:22 AM

What I want to know is how someone with the resources that she had at her disposal could have such awful teeth.

Elspeth 08-29-2007 11:27 AM

Now you're beginning to sound like an American, you know...:biggrin: <-perfect teeth, don't you think?

msleiman 08-29-2007 11:29 AM

I am starting to think that Charles could and should have done better for both women. I think that he should have known that a 19 year old girl was going to be a problem and he should have known that the problems Camilla was going to face because of Diana. Charles should have done right from the start and married Camilla. I know, then there would be no William and Harry but I think that the RF would have been in much better light these days. I have always followed Diana and was very sad at her death, but Charles should have done more for both of these ladies! JMHO

Martha 08-29-2007 11:34 AM

Iam not sure If Camilla is the charlesīlove. Because I have read a lot of things about Charles.

VuMom 08-29-2007 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Martha (Post 659135)
Iam not sure If Camilla is the charlesīlove. Because I have read a lot of things about Charles.

Who do you believe it to be? I think it's Camilla...

Empress 08-29-2007 11:43 AM

Well, he's certainly caused enough and more misery and heartache for alot of people if this is just some charade...

The Queen, Prince Philip, Princes Harry and William, Diana, in fact, his entire family.....

Not to mention us.

kimebear 08-29-2007 11:44 AM

I think it is more of a question of should he have been allowed to marry Camilla earlier and the answer is yes. But royal heirs weren't allowed to marry young woman of a certain reputation (whatever that really was) at the time so a suitable wife was found for him. He couldn't even bring himself to say that he was in love with Diana at their engagement and he never brought himself to the marriage since his heart was already spoken for. A bit unfair, IMO.

It wasn't really about Diana. Since he couldn't originally marry Camilla, I don't think Charles really cared who he married as long as she fawned over him or a better attempt would have been made to find someone of a suitable pedigree that he could have more in common with and fall in love with. There were no shortages of available foreign princesses and noble British ladies at the time.:rolleyes:

Empress 08-29-2007 11:47 AM

Well, and according to the Queen Mum, Camilla was stained because her grandmother (great?) was a mistress of one of the Charles forebearers.

sesa 08-29-2007 11:55 AM

It is Camilla. She was and is Charles one and only. he wa a player in his younger days, but that was it. just a player. He was not in love with any of the ladies he went out with. He was always in love with Camilla.
When he got out of the service, Camilla was already married to Andrew. So he went back to his playboy ways. Until he was forced to marry someone. Whether it was Diana or another lady, he would have "probably" IMO, kept Camilla as his mistress. she was happy to remain his mistress and did not put pressure on him.
Things would or could have played out somewhat differently if Charles had married someone else, but Camilla would have remained a permanent fixture in his life. One way or another. Remeber, when it came time for them to get married, Charles said she was non-negotionable.

Empress 08-29-2007 11:57 AM

The problem with Charles always has and likely always will be is that he just keeps on biting his nose off despite his face.

sesa 08-29-2007 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Empress (Post 659150)
The problem with Charles always has and likely always will be is that he just keeps on biting his nose off despite his face.

Well, he must be nibbiling on his nose, cause he still has quite a bit to bite off! :rofl:

hornsen 08-29-2007 12:21 PM

I think until his marriage to Diana Charles was out of reality. He grew up in special circumstances and the ladies behave in a special way to him, because he was the PoW. He really didnīt know women. Yes, I think he knew that nobody could take Camillaīs place in his heart. But he didnīt expect what happened than. Because he had less experience with other women (emotionally). He was overextended and "went home" to Camilla.

Rebafan81 08-29-2007 12:28 PM

I pretty much agree with what everyone has said about Charles, but remember it was a dfferent time, you didn't dis-obey the Queen, either on of them, in his time and he was raise to think of the "firm" first. I do think he treated Diana bad but I also think she treated him bad, it was a classic example of two people who weren't honest in the beginning and they both paid for it. I think they both were after something that wasn't real. Daina wanted to be Princess of Wales and Charles wanted someone who would be moldable(?) and young. How else was he going to find a virgin????? It is too bad Daina died before they could work out a friendship.
On Camilla, I understand she wanted to be like her Great grandmother and be the mistress to the Prince of Wales, no matter what and I also hear that Andrew was never faithful to Camilla anyways. It is a big mess no matter who tries to unravel it and no one was a winner in this one.

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