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iowabelle 08-24-2007 03:07 PM

I loved Princess Grace, but I'm terribly disappointed in her children. Somerset Maugham was right. Monaco is a sunny place for shady people.

royaltywatcher 08-24-2007 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaDreamin (Post 656458)
I think Stephanie is a very tragic figure in some ways. She is obviously a talented and kind person who cares. But she seemed to waste so much time and energy during her youth fighting who she was, and what cannot change. She is not an ordinary person. She is the daughter of a legend. She is a princess. I can't understand how one can claim to love a parent so much and then break their heart-over and over-like she did with Rainier. Especially toward the end of his life. I would never forgive myself for that.

As for Albert, well. Like all the children he is spoiled and entitled. Despite his obvious intelligence, he lacks the basic common sense-not to mention self control- it would have taken to protect himself from fathering children out of wedlock. But I am happy that he is supporting these children, as any decent man would be expected to. It's not their fault, they deserve all of his support, IMO.

What I meant to say is that I did not like Alberts lack of loyalty to his children. He may be supporting them, but he is not involving himself in their lives, or them in his. I'm not a big follower of the family, although I was a Princess Grace/Princess Caroline fan up until Princess Grace died and maybe a few years after (before things started getting really out of hand). But I haven't seen any pictures of Albert with his children.

royaltywatcher 08-24-2007 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Maricar (Post 656668)
Just royalty for me. I like their connection to history.


Yes, this is what I like too. I like the idea that these people are actually related to Queen Victoria, King Christian IX, etc. I like how they are related to each other, too. I don't think they will be as interesting going forward now that they have started marrying commoners.

Moonmaiden23 08-24-2007 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Marino01 (Post 656891)
I agree with you. I love the Grimaldis of Monaco and I love the Windsors ( William and Harry). I also love the Vanderbilts, Whitneys, and Astors and I just loved the Kennedys. What does that make me?

My gosh...we like the SAME people LOL! The Kennedys fascinate me too...just like the Grimaldis it's the combination of high glamour, scandal and Greek tragedy.

I still enjoy the Windsors, but not as much as I did when the Princess of Wales was alive. I adore William and Harry but the Duchess of Cornwall just depresses me.

Moonmaiden23 08-24-2007 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by royaltywatcher (Post 656927)
Yes, this is what I like too. I like the idea that these people are actually related to Queen Victoria, King Christian IX, etc. I like how they are related to each other, too. I don't think they will be as interesting going forward now that they have started marrying commoners.


I made that same point in another thread...if the trend to marry commoners continues the link with real history will be lost. I see no problem with every once in a blue moon, but now Royalty marrying Royalty or nobility is the exception, not the rule.

I don't think that bodes well for the future, somehow.

royaltywatcher 08-24-2007 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaDreamin (Post 656935)
I made that same point in another thread...if the trend to marry commoners continues the link with real history will be lost. I see no problem with every once in a blue moon, but now Royalty marrying Royalty or nobility is the exception, not the rule.

I don't think that bodes well for the future, somehow.

No, it doesn't. It will accelerate and justify the process of jettisoning the royal families. They will simply be less royal by blood, and add bad behavior, casual dress, etc., and out they go.

Moonmaiden23 08-24-2007 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by royaltywatcher (Post 656948)
No, it doesn't. It will accelerate and justify the process of jettisoning the royal families. They will simply be less royal by blood, and add bad behavior, casual dress, etc., and out they go.


As much as it pains me to say it, I think we are already seeing the result of these types of marriages right now. I am not saying that these are not fine young women, quite the contrary. But the fact is that they have not been reared from birth with certain protocols, behavior and EXPECTATIONS ingrained in them. This current middle class and Western emphasis on marrying for "love first" simply cannot be the standard by which princes and princesses choose their life partners. It's a late 20th Century phenomenon that has become more and more acceptable.

Love is wonderful and of course should be a factor, but not the only one or necessarily even the first one, IMO.

oxygen 08-24-2007 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by royaltywatcher (Post 656924)
But I haven't seen any pictures of Albert with his children.

There are pictures of Prince Albert with Alexandre in the Alexendre & Nicole Coste thread. I haven't seen him with Jazmin, though. I'm sure there are pictures floating around somewhere.

But to go back on topic: I prefer royalty but not the really stuffy high royals. I like royals with a bit of an edge. It's probably why I like the Casiraghis and the Windsors that, and they're all closer to my age.

pinkie40 08-24-2007 11:46 PM

I miss Robin Leach's "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous"!! Champagne wishes and caviar dreams.....

crownsandtiaras 08-25-2007 01:59 AM

I believe royalty has lost so much of their luster and glam that we've been forced to turn to high society

michelleq 08-25-2007 11:49 AM

I enjoy the royals that are not so much in the news; Denmark, Sweden, Dutch, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Norway and Sweden. I also enjoy the German Royal/Princely Families; to me they are more royal that the Windsors. I know that Royalty was terminated after WWI, but they are still Princes to many as well as theirselves.

RoyallyRich 10-23-2007 04:20 PM

I like both.But I have focused and have a greater passion for Royalty obviously.But in recent times I have also found that I am also interested in High Society and even political dynasties.I agree with CaliforniaDreamin,I would rather read or be entertained by the activities of a Rothschild than the Hollywood garbage.I see aristocrats as Royal sattelites at times,mini-Royals.I have always been a big fan of Carolina Herrera,Comtesse Jacqueline de Ribes,Princess Lee Radziwill,Countess Isabelle Ornano,Princess Silvia d'Arenberg,Sao Schlumberger,and Jackie Kennedy Onassis.As for Paris Hilton,I know that she acts,thinks and at times looks like trash.But kudos to her she brought the "Heiress thing" to the table.Unfortunately she also trashed it by her antics.I hate the fact that she made the status of heiress look so bad and that she would rather cavort with Hollywood than set an example of old guard grandeur and class.Well she isn't even full blue blood.Her mum Kathy was from a B-movie family.

Moonmaiden23 10-25-2007 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyallyRich (Post 683692)
I like both.But I have focused and have a greater passion for Royalty obviously.But in recent times I have also found that I am also interested in High Society and even political dynasties.I agree with CaliforniaDreamin,I would rather read or be entertained by the activities of a Rothschild than the Hollywood garbage.I see aristocrats as Royal sattelites at times,mini-Royals.I have always been a big fan of Carolina Herrera,Comtesse Jacqueline de Ribes,Princess Lee Radziwill,Countess Isabelle Ornano,Princess Silvia d'Arenberg,Sao Schlumberger,and Jackie Kennedy Onassis.As for Paris Hilton,I know that she acts,thinks and at times looks like trash.But kudos to her she brought the "Heiress thing" to the table.Unfortunately she also trashed it by her antics.I hate the fact that she made the status of heiress look so bad and that she would rather cavort with Hollywood than set an example of old guard grandeur and class.Well she isn't even full blue blood.Her mum Kathy was from a B-movie family.


We are interested in the same exact people! I am fascinated by Jacqueline Kennedy and her sister, and I think Carolina Herrera is one of the most elegant women alive.

The less said about Paris Hilton the better. I am staggered that anyone given the opportunities that chick was born with could turn out so ignorant and trashy. I keep hoping she changes, because she is a disaster and by the way so are her parents.

RoyallyRich 10-26-2007 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaDreamin (Post 684575)
We are interested in the same exact people! I am fascinated by Jacqueline Kennedy and her sister, and I think Carolina Herrera is one of the most elegant women alive.

The less said about Paris Hilton the better. I am staggered that anyone given the opportunities that chick was born with could turn out so ignorant and trashy. I keep hoping she changes, because she is a disaster and by the way so are her parents.

These people are so exceptional in American life.They seem to remind us or even give us a slight glimpse of a different America.Almost like a Royal America.I love Jackie Kennedy and her gorgeous group of WASP buddies.Like Jayne Wrightsman and Babe Paley.I like and feel sorry for Babs Hutton.But she had too many issues.Doris Duke in the other hand well...I just wish their parents loved and took care of them more.When I take a break form my Royalty read-a-thon, I read books about the Vanderbilts,the Astors,the Roosevelts etc.It is very inspiring.

I both hate and love Paris.She's leading scions like Brandon Davis,Tinsley Mortimer and Fernanda Berracasa to trashdom by example.One heir-scion ,Cody Franchetti actually admires her and wants to be a male Paris Hilton.My sister thinks Ivanka Trump is the ultimate best heiress.I say Amanda Hearst.

Moonmaiden23 10-29-2007 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyallyRich (Post 685159)
These people are so exceptional in American life.They seem to remind us or even give us a slight glimpse of a different America.Almost like a Royal America.I love Jackie Kennedy and her gorgeous group of WASP buddies.Like Jayne Wrightsman and Babe Paley.I like and feel sorry for Babs Hutton.But she had too many issues.Doris Duke in the other hand well...I just wish their parents loved and took care of them more.When I take a break form my Royalty read-a-thon, I read books about the Vanderbilts,the Astors,the Roosevelts etc.It is very inspiring.

I both hate and love Paris.She's leading scions like Brandon Davis,Tinsley Mortimer and Fernanda Berracasa to trashdom by example.One heir-scion ,Cody Franchetti actually admires her and wants to be a male Paris Hilton.My sister thinks Ivanka Trump is the ultimate best heiress.I say Amanda Hearst.


I agree with your sister about Ivanka Trump. Donald Trump is a piece of work but he has raised intelligent classy children who NEVER seem to get it wrong.
He and Ivana should be commended for that.

Also the Hearst girls are terrific, all of them

RubyPrincess168 11-03-2007 07:21 AM

I am interested in both since the US has no royalty, but it's hard to find members of high society who you can look up to. Most are such screwups there is nothing to do except tear them down. It's like they're trying to hard to be something they're not or to live up to the public/press/their personal expectations of what they should be.

BurberryBrit 11-03-2007 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by royaltywatcher (Post 656948)
No, it doesn't. It will accelerate and justify the process of jettisoning the royal families. They will simply be less royal by blood, and add bad behavior, casual dress, etc., and out they go.

I strongly disagree with this. Does it really matter if the job is being done? I think the commoner crown princesses of today are rising very well to the occasion and doing a great job, regardless of their "inferior birth." Let's look at royalty like the Grimaldis. Hmmm. . .seems like they could rival Hollywood "trash" on any given day. All these families started somewhere in history with someone proclaiming himself to be king or being given the title Prince by the Pope. So, their titles might be historical but when it comes down to it, they are rich people with man made titles. I love royalty too, but lets not exalt them so far above the rest of us.

Chimene 11-03-2007 12:38 PM

What would we call the antics of Henry VIII? At least Stephanie's indiscretions never killed anyone. We don't consider the Grimaldis royalty, yet all the others are?

I don't care much for HS because they are only trying to emulate royalty.

Duchess 11-03-2007 01:50 PM

i love royalty but i also love high society. i like to hear about how they made their money, how they spend it, what their houses look like, where they eat, where they vacation. i just think it's fun.

mrsbugman 01-04-2008 08:21 PM

It doesn't really matter to me...... I just like to study the wonderful jewelry, and the elegant, beautifully cut dress.


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