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Marengo 07-12-2007 10:18 AM

What is your opinion about Philippe and Mathilde?
 
The Duke of Brabant has faced some critisism over the past years, mainly coming from the Flemmish press. Some of the critisism concerned the furniture in his palace, his political remarks about the unity of the country, his speeches at trademissions etc.

How do you feel about the Duke of Brabant? Will he make a suitable king? Are his gaffes really gaffes or are they blown up by elements in the Belgian society who want the country to split up? And related to that, how do you feel about the Duchess of Brabant? She was greeted as the 'savior' of the Belgian monarchy but how is she doing so far?

So in short: What is your opinion on Phillipe and Mathilde?
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Please remember to use a polite tone in this topic.

selminha 07-13-2007 01:54 PM

They are a such a great couple!!!

Madame Royale 07-13-2007 02:02 PM

I don't take a particularly large interest in the Belgian royals. They just don't interest me. But from what I've seen of both Philippe and Mathilde, they seem like a very nice couple, are a good and solid support to one another, are wonderful parents and look (and hopefully are) happy :flowers:

Henri M. 07-13-2007 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by selminha (Post 640439)
They are a such a great couple!!!

Why are they 'such a great couple'?

Prince Philippe is really seen as a clumsy goof stumbling over his own feet and not able to have a normal conversation with. It is the Princess which, bits by parts, keeps the Prince up.

That is the general opinion on the Prince. And to be honest, mine is more or less the same. Yesterday on the news I have seen Prince Philippe and Princess Mathilde together with Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh. Stiff. Uneasy. Uncomfortable. No chemistry between the two royal couples. Nothing more than the obliged smile for the camera's.

bbb 07-13-2007 02:14 PM

I think she's wonderful the definition of a princess, he seems painfully shy and uncomfortable alone- but with her and the children he brightens up and and is handsome and animated. they also seem like loving, affectionate parents.

Aurora810 07-13-2007 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Henri M. (Post 640446)
Yesterday on the news I have seen Prince Philippe and Princess Mathilde together with Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh. Stiff. Uneasy. Uncomfortable. No chemistry between the two royal couples. Nothing more than the obliged smile for the camera's.


Well to be honest I don't have as many advantages as others at TRF's I have the pictures that are posted and other pictures that I manage to find out in cyberspace. And that is it. But I must say that I saw the exact opposite of what Henri saw yesterday. Judging by the pictures I was rather impressed with Philippe. I thought he looked comfortable and confident. I really wouldn't expect there to be much chemistry between the two royal couples. I mean there's such an age difference and just overall difference. But I saw a prince that was really trying yesterday. I kind of question and try not to put too much into the comments about the press making him out to be a goof or stumbling goof. Yes, he doesn't always seem real comfortable in his position but that doesn't mean he isn't going to try his best and it doesn't mean he is a goof.

I should also add that over the last few weeks I have been quite impressed with the crown princely couple of Belgium. The trip to China was an important one and it seems that Philippe has been helping out with as much as he can since the King is still recovering. I think due to the King's health Philippe and Mathilde went to meet Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip, but I could be wrong about that.

Madame Royale 07-13-2007 02:18 PM

I've based my observations purely on pictorials I think it's safe to say...:biggrin:

What's the general consensus surrounding the Duchess?

Aurora810 07-13-2007 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Madame Royale (Post 640455)
I've based my observations purely on pictorials I think it's safe to say...:biggrin:

What's the general consensus surrounding the Duchess?


I've never heard anything bad about her and I also hear just like what is written by another poster above that she helps make him more relevant. Mathilde seems to balance him out and bring to the table things that are not in Philippe's original make-up.

Henri M. 07-13-2007 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Madame Royale (Post 640455)
I've based my observations purely on pictorials I think it's safe to say...:biggrin:

What's the general consensus surrounding the Duchess?

Princess Mathilde, the Duchess of Brabant, is popular and is generally seen as the guide for Prince Philippe. She is very popular in Wallonia and 'norma'l popular' in Flanders. The only criticism she faces is about her linguality: despite being a born Belgian and a certified logopediste (speech therapist), she is hardly able to speak two fluent Dutch sentences by heart. Especially in a comparison with Princess Máxima, who has never ever been in the Netherlands before she got a relationship with the Prince of Orange. And Dutch is the mother language of 2/3 of all Belgians.

But where Princess Mathilde reaches high scores in popularity, her spouse is scoring very low. Especially when you consider this man is the future King, it is a bit worrisome.

Aurora810 07-13-2007 02:29 PM

Oops, the not being able to speak fluent Dutch, that is right, that has been the one major criticism I have heard about Mathilde. Not really sure why she doesn't try harder with that either.

anirac 07-13-2007 02:37 PM

I'm not sure, what I should think about them. Exspeacially about Phillipe because at the one hand he makes this clumsy impression and this questionable sentences (like in South Africa, if I recall right) and at the other hand he regulary is a member of the Bilderberg Group, so he couldn't be so 'stupid' (it is not the right word, but a can't remember another).

stephanievl 07-13-2007 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Henri M. (Post 640461)
Princess Mathilde, the Duchess of Brabant, is popular and is generally seen as the guide for Prince Philippe. She is very popular in Wallonia and 'norma'l popular' in Flanders. The only criticism she faces is about her linguality: despite being a born Belgian and a certified logopediste (speech therapist), she is hardly able to speak two fluent Dutch sentences by heart. Especially in a comparison with Princess Máxima, who has never ever been in the Netherlands before she got a relationship with the Prince of Orange. And Dutch is the mother language of 2/3 of all Belgians.

But where Princess Mathilde reaches high scores in popularity, her spouse is scoring very low. Especially when you consider this man is the future King, it is a bit worrisome.

Mathilde has improved a lot in het Dutch, nowedays she speaks it verry fluent you can hear in intervieuws and speeches that she improver a lot.
Her childern all go to a Dutchspeaking school in Brussels and recently Mathilde said that they start speeking Dutch among each other at home.
She puts a lot of effort in het duch and it paid of, she speaks it verry good.

stephanievl 07-13-2007 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Henri M. (Post 640446)
Why are they 'such a great couple'?

Yesterday on the news I have seen Prince Philippe and Princess Mathilde together with Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh. Stiff. Uneasy. Uncomfortable. No chemistry between the two royal couples. Nothing more than the obliged smile for the camera's.

When I look at this picture it seems that they are having a really good time.
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Henri M. 07-13-2007 02:49 PM

Princess Mathilde and Princess Elisabeth
 
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Originally Posted by stephanievl (Post 640475)
Mathilde has improved a lot in het Dutch, nowedays she speaks it verry fluent you can hear in intervieuws and speeches that she improver a lot.
Her childern all go to a Dutchspeaking school in Brussels and recently Mathilde said that they start speeking Dutch among each other at home.
She puts a lot of effort in het duch and it paid of, she speaks it verry good.

As long as the separatistic tendences are kept under control, the monarchy is safe thanks to Princess Mathilde and Princess Elisabeth.

The little Princess is an angel, but you already can see she is a total different type of person as for an example Princess Catharina-Amalia, who seems so much more extravert. But in general we can say that the Belgians are more reserved than their 'noisy' northern neighbours. As long as Princess Mathilde and Princess Elisabeth are around, Prince Philippe and the monarchy are safe.

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stephanievl 07-13-2007 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bbb (Post 640452)
I think she's wonderful the definition of a princess, he seems painfully shy and uncomfortable alone- but with her and the children he brightens up and and is handsome and animated. they also seem like loving, affectionate parents.

That is true, he chaged a lot after the birth of his oldest daughter Elisabeth. Right after the birth he gave press conference in his green hospital shirt. He spoke open and showed his emotions. We in Belgium had never seen him like that.

It is tru that during public occation somethimes he is a bit stiff but Filip is someone who does not like verry much he press attention. However, when he is with his kids he is verry open with them, spontanious, ...

I think Filip and Mathilde are a verry good couple and you see that they really love each other. Mathilde can look at him with lot of love and she is a good support and the strong woman he needs.

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Henri M. 07-13-2007 03:03 PM

If it was about fashion alone, I would easily swap Princess Máxima for the ever elegant, serene and dignified Princess Mathilde!

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Tinika 07-13-2007 08:59 PM

To my mind they are the epitome of old-style royals: reserved, handsome, dignified, and involved with their people yet slightly removed. I think they're wonderful.

BMC 07-13-2007 09:25 PM

I get the impression that Prince Phillippe is just one of those people who are very uncomfortable in the spotlight but who are just fine in private. Sadly for him, his work requires that he be the center of attention.

I don't think he is stupid [he graduated from Stanford University, no school for dummies], just inarticulate. Nothing wrong with that, there are a lot of smooth talking people out there that you don't dare believe a word they're saying.

Aurora810 07-14-2007 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinika (Post 640627)
To my mind they are the epitome of old-style royals: reserved, handsome, dignified, and involved with their people yet slightly removed. I think they're wonderful.


I think you got it right, this is a very good description of them.:smile:

Marengo 07-16-2007 06:09 AM

My opinion about the couple is a bit ambiguous, I don't really know how to think of them. Personally Mathilde is indeed the reserved, discrete 'old-fashioned' royal that I prefer. The noble background doesn't hurt either; I don't want my neighbours daughter as my crowprincess for example. Sadly I think that in this day and age the old-fashioned style that I like isn't sufficient enough. Her Dutch was a problem but I think that was exploited by the flemmish press too negatively, as others said it wasn't that bad and she made a lot of progress. Anothger thing is that she seems rather stiff at times, old-fashioned, etc.

Anyway, I have all these reservations with the duchess but when I see her on television and she gives a smile one just can not help but melt, her smile is so warm, genuine and sweet that the saint-mathilde aura that some are ironically referring to at times, becomes almost visible.

About Phillipe... I think he is a bit 'welt-fremd' (world-strange) and he lives in his own cocon surrounded by incompetent courtiers and fiercly religious relatives. This made him into the insecure man he is now. I remember that I was watching his wedding and Queen Paola seem to show her son that he had to wave, where he had to wave etc. The flemmish media IMO now started a campaign against Phillipe that has little to do with him. His supposed gaffes aren't thar shocking IMHO and in The Netherlands or elsewhere I am sure that crownprinces made simular mistakes but they were covered up with the mantle of love, something that certain parts of the press/public isn't willing to do in Flanders.

What does speak for him is that his personal staff seems much more professional and selected for their merits then the palace staff. Not many noble names etc in his entourage. That he was orientating himself in Ther Hague, so to get ideas how to reorganise the old-fashioned court in Brussels, is a very good thing too, it shows that he might be more modern then we think.

Henri M. 07-16-2007 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 641768)
My opinion about the couple is a bit ambiguous, I don't really know how to think of them. Personally Mathilde is indeed the reserved, discrete 'old-fashioned' royal that I prefer. The noble background doesn't hurt either; I don't want my neighbours daughter as my crowprincess for example. Sadly I think that in this day and age the old-fashioned style that I like isn't sufficient enough. Her Dutch was a problem but I think that was exploited by the flemmish press too negatively, as others said it wasn't that bad and she made a lot of progress.

Anyway, I have all these reservations with the duchess but when I see her on television and she gives a smile one just can not help but melt, her smile is so warm, genuine and sweet that the saint-mathilde aura that some are ironically referring to at times, becomes almost visible.

I agree. It is Mathilde, and Mathilde alone, who keeps her clumsy spouse up. She has to do it alone because her brother-in-law Prince Laurent is even more clumsy and is no any help to the monarchy. Princess Claire is a nobody in the royal family and Princess Astrid seems to be on a distance, so is my impression.

Marengo 07-16-2007 06:19 AM

I agree Henri, at the moment Mathilde and Albert II are the two most important members of the family that generate some warm feelings under the public, though I feel (I am not sure if I am right) that the general enthausiasm for Mathilde in belgium is fading a bit.

johann 07-16-2007 02:36 PM

Well, at least in the Flemish press Mathilde undergoes a revival these days (especially after her performance during the economic trip to China). She is praised for being extremely charming, light hearted, for being very professional and concerned, for being communicative, easy to approach, for speaking very good Dutch etc. pp. And all these positive attributes are coming from the ever critical Flemish press (Het Laatste Nieuws, Gazet van Antwerpen, Het Belang van Limburg, etc.). This sure does mean a lot – as it´s well-known they are willing to exploit every single mistake.
But I don´t think Mathilde and Elisabeth are the ones who have to rescue the monarchy. They are very important, that´s for sure (and having a professional spouse sure does help every Crown Prince) – but the fundament of a monarchy is the constitution and not capricious popularity polls. Otherwise the Belgians could do it with Queen Kim Clijsters the one day and King Tom Boonen the next day. Somehow this aspect gets lost in all these popularity, nice gowns, grand diadems and bling bling talk.
And - I´m very sorry to say this - unfortunately nagging and co. are very much en vogue amongst many Belgians (not only when it comes to the royal family). Somehow a great deal of the old Flemish/Burgundian frankness (live and let live) got lost in all these differences between Flanders and Wallonia. And I agree with Marengo, Philippe´s mistakes are not exceptional and his colleagues also have their history of blunders. It´s a question of approach: If one wants to see a clumsy Prince Philippe greeting the Queen and no chemistry between them and whatnot, he/she sure will get it. I saw something else: a confident Prince Philippe and pleased guests. That´s life. And as a sidenote: A look back in time proofs how alike Philippe and his father are. Albert was not the most confident person – he got the time to grow into kingship and I think Philippe deserves the same.
But what really has to be changed ASAP is the press policy round Philippe. IMO it would help to search for advice/staff somewhere else than only in diplomatic/military circles. If it was a smart move to opt for continuity and reappoint Pierre-Emmanuel De Bauw as spokesman? Time will tell.

Marengo 07-17-2007 03:12 AM

I agree with you Johann, a different press approach is needed asap. Perhaps he could take a hint for his Dutch collegue, as our press seems to be screaming in choir how ready the prince is for the throne, while less then a decade ago he was 'Prince Pils'. Though I am not too fond of former Charles PR-man, Mark Bolland, he was quite competent and IMHO the Belgian CP could do with such a specialist too.

Perhaps he should give a tv-interview where he can show his more unknown side?

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I am glad to hear that the Flemmish press is more positive about Mathilde again at least.

isis 07-17-2007 03:19 AM

Il like a lot the princess, she seems to be a very warm person, and I like also her way to be in public
I don't know a lot of things abort the crown prince, but he seems to be a serious man

principessa 07-18-2007 01:36 PM

In my opinion Prince Phillipe and Princess Mathilde are a worthy representant of Belgium. They are a even couple with three very beautiful children. Their ease is natural. They aren't boring. I like them all. And the others of the Belgium royal family, too. Its a very special family, but that is making them nice.

Henri M. 07-18-2007 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by principessa (Post 642642)
In my opinion Prince Phillipe and Princess Mathilde are a worthy representant of Belgium. They are a even couple with three very beautiful children. Their ease is natural. They aren't boring. I like them all. And the others of the Belgium royal family, too. Its a very special family, but that is making them nice.

I'm sorry. I really can walk a long way aside with you but never ever words were só misplaced as saying "their ease is natural".

There is nothing natural with the couple. Everybody is pressing his or her own bottom together out of fear for them saying or doing something stupid. The Prince is nervous, shy, does not know how to handle in public, looks like a steered puppet in the hands of courtiers.

No. They are definitely not a couple from which you can state "their ease is natural".... definitely not.

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TLLK 07-18-2007 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Henri M. (Post 642691)
I'm sorry. I really can walk a long way aside with you but never ever words were só misplaced as saying "their ease is natural".

There is nothing natural with the couple. Everybody is pressing his or her own bottom together out of fear for them saying or doing something stupid. The Prince is nervous, shy, does not know how to handle in public, looks like a steered puppet in the hands of courtiers.

No. They are definitely not a couple from which you can state "their ease is natural".... definitely not.


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I would believe that the couple is more at ease when they are alone and not in front of the press. Poor Prince Phillipe, this is not the role he most likely would have chosen for himself if given the chance. Does anyone know what career path he might have taken if there was an alternative for him?

Henri M. 07-18-2007 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TLLK (Post 642754)
I would believe that the couple is more at ease when they are alone and not in front of the press. Poor Prince Phillipe, this is not the role he most likely would have chosen for himself if given the chance. Does anyone know what career path he might have taken if there was an alternative for him?

That is an interesting but impossible question for each Heir(ess). They simply have no any choice and any alternative is not even considered.

In Prince Philippe's case it is a little bit different as he was no Heir Apparent from the beginning, but son of the Heir Presumptive, which was his father, The Prince of Liège.

Had his uncle and aunt King Baudouin and Queen Fabiola given birth to a child, the Prince would never have become the Duke of Brabant and Heir to the King. But as we know, King Baudouin and Queen Fabiola remained without issue and it was clear from early on Prince Philippe, the eldest son of the King's brother, would once assume the kingship.

TLLK 07-19-2007 06:02 PM

Oh I understand that when it was apparent that there would be no issue from his uncle and aunt, he'd one day be king. I was curious if he'd ever expressed in an interview what career he'd like to have if he had not been the future heir. Butcher, baker, candlestick maker...lion tamer...

martha-louise 07-26-2007 12:25 PM

The question what prince Philippe would have liked to become if he weren't a prince, is been asked to him once. He began to think about the question (or gave the expression that the had never thought of that before) and said he had no idea. He said it was difficult for him to imagine to have another life, that he has always been a prince.
Then the student asked if it is fun to be a prince. Philippe answered that it's sometimes more fun than other times. Then he added a joke by asking the student if he was intrested in becoming prince, that they could maybe change, to learn about eachothers lives.

martha-louise 07-26-2007 12:59 PM

My opinion, what to think about Philippe?

I think it is difficult to put one word on the character of the prince. The media says he's stiff and boring. People who really know him says he got humor and is charming and gentle. Of course in official occasions, grey suit, grey face, grey hair, boring, rather clumsy, no charisma... That is what most people see.
We as royalty watchers see a lot more than that. From his engagement on, it has been a sport to me to discover what is behind the official greyness. If there is something behind it, like 'the real Philippe'.

What is the result after almost 8 years of marriage? Well in the beginning he became more popular. People had never seen him from the emotional side. And it must be said, the couple is visible in love, we all like to see that. A little bit of the greyness disappeared, but sadly not enough to please everybody. No intimate kiss on the balcony, back to the old routine, not the best relationship with the press, ... a missed chance.

The second chance I thought we would get to know more of the 'real Philippe' was with the birth of his daughter. Very possive comments in the papers. But after a while the Flemish press just laughed at him because of his bad Dutch (saying 'It's really a female', which is used to discribe the sex of an animal) Second missed chance.

After that the prince did some clumsy things, bad advisors, unlucky moments. Which means back to basics: grey suit, grey face, grey hair, boring, rather clumsy, no charisma. But we do must all admit that he changed a little bit. With princess Mathilde on his side there is always a glimps of the 'real Philippe' of the human side. We see love and devotion to eachother etc.

After all these years I doubted several times if the 'real Philippe' really exists or if Philippe is just as grey, dumb and clumsy as he is portraited.
There are more people who believe there is more in him, but time is ticking, he's almost 50 and politics are changing in a bad way for the Belgian monarchy. When politicians want to change monarchy for a republic, there will be a general voting. So in that vue popularity can save the monarchy. But I have huge doubts whether Philippe will ever be popular enough...

NotAPretender 08-26-2007 01:24 PM

I had the great good fortune of sharing a class this past week with a young woman from Belgium. She was pleased that I knew as much as I did about her royal family, as she found (although she was too polite to word it quite this way) that Americans know Belgium about as thoroughly as we know the Great North of Canada. Which is to say, very little.

She was highly complimentary of Philippe and Matilde, especially as she contrasted them with King Albert II. She was absolutely dismayed that, after the embarassing gaffe of PM-in-waiting Guy Verhofstadt around the National Anthem and not knowing exactly what the holiday celebrated, that the king did not withdraw his support from the PM. To her, it showed a lapse in judgement that presaged a need for a change in the monarch.

I asked her if she felt that Philippe was ready for the role as king, and she said that he was thoughtful, quiet and studious. She went on to say that she was actually quite proud that the CP and CPss stayed out of the tabloid headlines and that their ability to maintain their dignity and poise spoke well for them. She was very comfortable with Philippe appearing "awkward," saying that their country needs a leader, not a matinee idol or a George Clooney.

That's one Belgian's view.

I am very much enjoying speaking to her about the RF in Belgium, and I must say, she shares the opinions of other posters here who hold Laurent and Clair in low regard.

Henri M. 08-26-2007 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NotAPretender (Post 657530)
I had the great good fortune of sharing a class this past week with a young woman from Belgium. She was pleased that I knew as much as I did about her royal family, as she found (although she was too polite to word it quite this way) that Americans know Belgium about as thoroughly as we know the Great North of Canada. Which is to say, very little.

She was highly complimentary of Philippe and Matilde, especially as she contrasted them with King Albert II. She was absolutely dismayed that, after the embarassing gaffe of PM-in-waiting Guy Verhofstadt around the National Anthem and not knowing exactly what the holiday celebrated, that the king did not withdraw his support from the PM. To her, it showed a lapse in judgement that presaged a need for a change in the monarch.

I asked her if she felt that Philippe was ready for the role as king, and she said that he was thoughtful, quiet and studious. She went on to say that she was actually quite proud that the CP and CPss stayed out of the tabloid headlines and that their ability to maintain their dignity and poise spoke well for them. She was very comfortable with Philippe appearing "awkward," saying that their country needs a leader, not a matinee idol or a George Clooney.

That's one Belgian's view.

I am very much enjoying speaking to her about the RF in Belgium, and I must say, she shares the opinions of other posters here who hold Laurent and Clair in low regard.

It is nice that you met a Belgian citizen. The opinion by the Belgian you met is, unfortunately, not exemplaric for the whole of Belgium. Polls show again and again that Prince Philippe really has a problem with the general public's opinion on him. And I think many Belgians are thankful that at this moment it is the old and wise King Albert II who is manoeuvring the State through a political stalemate and not Prince Philippe, who can not take any step without his 'entourage' saying him so.

By the way, Guy Verhofstadt is not the PM-in-waiting. That is the present and outgoing Premier Minister. The person who confused La Marseillaise (the French National Anthem) with th La Brabançonne (the Belgian National Anthem) and did not have any clue about the National Day, was the great winner of the last general elections, mr. Yves Leterme, the leader of the biggest party in the national Parliament.

And: it is not the King who has to withdraw his support from the great winner of the last General Elections. That would cause a constutional crisis: the unelected and by certain parts of the population disputed King refusing to back the Premier who has the majority of the elected Parliament behind him? If you want a quick end to the monarchy in Belgium, then this is the best advice you could give, I think.

Here is an article in English about Philippe's unpopularity.

Marengo 08-27-2007 08:38 AM

Well Henri, I think the press has been slightly more positive about Phillipe lately. There was actually quite some praise for him after the economic mission to China for example.

Henri M. 08-27-2007 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 657916)
Well Henri, I think the press has been slightly more positive about Phillipe lately. There was actually quite some praise for him after the economic mission to China for example.

Okay. Maybe. A slightly positive. Let us await the next gaffe.

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susan alicia 08-27-2007 10:44 AM

well I agree with the positive remarks but Mathilde does not look good in sandles with stockings, it is really completely wrong and she sometimes wears too much makeup for her type of face and too loud coloured clothes.

No one mentions it but I will, they both seem rather stupid (low iq), this in contrast to WA and Maxima. Anyway if the Belgians are happy so am I for them.:flowers:


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Originally Posted by Henri M. (Post 640487)
If it was about fashion alone, I would easily swap Princess Máxima for the ever elegant, serene and dignified Princess Mathilde!

:flowers:


johann 08-27-2007 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by susan alicia (Post 657965)
well I agree with the positive remarks but Mathilde does not look good in sandles with stockings, it is really completely wrong and she sometimes wears too much makeup for her type of face and too loud coloured clothes.

No one mentions it but I will, they both seem rather stupid (low iq), this in contrast to WA and Maxima. Anyway if the Belgians are happy so am I for them.:flowers:

Lol, what a profound mixture of arguments.
If a guy, a studied historian btw, who comes up with a Videla letter to defend his future father-in-law really is amongst the brightest I honestly tend to doubt. He would have failed every examination with this stunt, not to mention that this behaviour was completely inappropriate for a crown prince. But of course the grass is always greener on your side of the fence. Praise the Dutchmen for being generous (and this is no poisoned compliment btw), the Belgians unfortunately don´t seem to have this gift.

Maxie 08-27-2007 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by johann (Post 657983)
If a guy, a studied historian btw, who comes up with a Videla letter to defend his future father-in-law really is amongst the brightest I honestly tend to doubt.

I agree, johann. :rolleyes: W-A is can be happy that he found himself a smart wife, who will kick him from time to time when he's about to say something stupid, because really, I don't find him the brightest royal around either. :ermm: And I wouldn't call Philippe dumb, he's just annoyingly clumsy from time to time and has no feeling for good PR whatsoever.

Al_bina 08-27-2007 02:39 PM

Crown Prince Phillipe and Crown Princess Mathilde might be viewed as a perfect couple. It is nice to see that at least one Prince has found his happiness without breaking the old traditions.

Marengo 08-27-2007 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by susan alicia (Post 657965)
well I agree with the positive remarks but Mathilde does not look good in sandles with stockings, it is really completely wrong and she sometimes wears too much makeup for her type of face and too loud coloured clothes.

No one mentions it but I will, they both seem rather stupid (low iq), this in contrast to WA and Maxima. Anyway if the Belgians are happy so am I for them.:flowers:

How did they give you an impression of having a low IQ? Princess Mathilde From the website of the RF, Monarchie.be:

She studied speech therapy at the Institut Libre Marie Haps in Brussels from 1991 to 1994 and obtained a diploma with Great Distinction.
She worked as a speech therapist at her own practice in Brussels from 1995 to 1999. In parallel, she studied psychology at the Université Catholique de Louvain. In 2002, Princess Mathilde earned her diploma in psychology with Distinction.

And for Phillipe:

Prince Philippe completed his academic training at Trinity College, University of Oxford (UK) and at the Graduate School of Stanford University (USA) where he took a “Master of Arts Degree” in political science in 1985.

stephanievl 08-27-2007 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by susan alicia (Post 657965)
well I agree with the positive remarks but Mathilde does not look good in sandles with stockings, it is really completely wrong and she sometimes wears too much makeup for her type of face and too loud coloured clothes.

No one mentions it but I will, they both seem rather stupid (low iq), this in contrast to WA and Maxima. Anyway if the Belgians are happy so am I for them.:flowers:

I think this are stupid arguments! I they ask you opinion about a couple you should not only look at the outside! (by the way: Mathilde always wears little make-up and loud coloured clothes are more something for Maxima as mathilde)

I don't you couls say they have a low IQ, Mathilde studied speech therapy at the Institut Libre Marie Haps in Brussels and obtained a diploma with Great Distinction. And after that she earned her diploma in psychology with Distinction! There is the Princess Mathilde Fund where she puts a lot of work in! She is also involved in "unicef" and she was an United Nations Envoy for the International Year on Micro-credit. Prince Philippe Prince Philippe completed his academic training at Trinity College, University of Oxford (UK) and at the Graduate School of Stanford University (USA) where he took a “Master of Arts Degree” in political science in 1985. So I son't think they have a low IQ!

It is not the point comparing, everybody is special in his own way! that does not mean that somebody (prince, princess) it better than the other one!

Henri M. 08-28-2007 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 658065)
How did they give you an impression of having a low IQ? Princess Mathilde From the website of the RF, Monarchie.be:

She studied speech therapy at the Institut Libre Marie Haps in Brussels from 1991 to 1994 and obtained a diploma with Great Distinction.
She worked as a speech therapist at her own practice in Brussels from 1995 to 1999. In parallel, she studied psychology at the Université Catholique de Louvain. In 2002, Princess Mathilde earned her diploma in psychology with Distinction.

And for Phillipe:

Prince Philippe completed his academic training at Trinity College, University of Oxford (UK) and at the Graduate School of Stanford University (USA) where he took a “Master of Arts Degree” in political science in 1985.

I know that the Duke and Duchess of Brabant have a good educational report. Wonderful. But it is the impression they make. They (also Mathilde, but for sure Philippe) make the impression of being dumb, clumsy, goofy, and acting like they could not make any step without a whisper from the entourage. They look like continuously feeling at unease. It looks like they need more selfconsciousness, firmness and also need to work at their "body language".

That is all. Prince Philippe is not the only one. I see exactly the same with Prince Laurent and Princess Astrid.

susan alicia 08-28-2007 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Henri M. (Post 658406)
I know that the Duke and Duchess of Brabant have a good educational report. Wonderful. But it is the impression they make. They (also Mathilde, but for sure Philippe) make the impression of being dumb, clumsy, goofy, and acting like they could not make any step without a whisper from the entourage. They look like continuously feeling at unease. It looks like they need more selfconsciousness, firmness and also need to work at their "body language".

That is all. Prince Philippe is not the only one. I see exactly the same with Prince Laurent and Princess Astrid.

I have met Astrid on various occasions when she was studying art history in Leiden. She came with a load of people to my student room and I cooked spagetti for everyone. She was a lovely young girl, impressively modest and calm, not a spot of makeup and beautiful skin. Very religious, she had an small alter in her room and shared an appartment with a girl whose father is a well known opus dei member.
The arthistory results where hung up on the wall in de kloksteeg in Leiden and it was Astrid de Groot (astrid of belgium), always 2 or 3's or no show. 6 is a passing grade in holland.

It might be that Philippe and Mathilde remind me of her and yes I know that stanford is a very good university. But the impression remains: not too many braincells up there.

Marengo 08-28-2007 08:32 AM

Well, the lack of braincells is something I never thought about actually.. They seem to be smart people, though there wouldn t be a problem if they werent (we cant all have university degrees of course).

I do think they are both naturally introvert and shy but that is something they share with many and Belgian people usually are a bit more discrete than their sometimes over boisterous Northern neighbours ;). But clumsy, goofy etc... that is a bit too much for me, they made a much more positive impression.

Laurent doesn´t look to bright indeed, especially after the navy scandal, but Astrid is goofy, clumsy etc? I actually think she is rather charming, witty and usually radiant. Especially when you see her attending an event on television (the royalty programme of VTM), you can see how well she can deal with people around her.

susan alicia: Thanks for sharing that story about Astrid btw, it is charming (an she still seems to have a gorgeous skin for a woman over her 40-ties ;)).

martha-louise 08-28-2007 01:16 PM

One has to make the distingtion between IQ and social/emotionale intelligence. Philippe and Mathilde have a normal high IQ, both with universitary background.

Philippe lacks social intelligence (a lot!) That is why I wonder if he is so bad in social behavior only when people are around or also in private life.
My opinion is that Mathilde has a high IQ and social/emotional intelligence, but is to obedient to the royal establishment, to classic, to pious to be totally accepted/popolar.

It's kind of ironic to think now of Lady Di, she had no grade, she was a nursery teacher. It's not the brains that make a woman popular (do I need to give more examples...)

MissSaga 08-28-2007 03:57 PM

I for one don't get when people say she reminds them of Diana. Diana was so gracefull, beautiful, elegant, stylish and just a real pleasure to look at. Attractive. Mathilde ? Her shape really isn't something to brag about, her clothes are absolutely terrible, worse than Maxima's, and she just seems a little clumsy to me. Not gracefull at all. Or at least that's how it looks in pictures. Shiny stocking, awfull shoes, the same Maxima usually wears, and horrible colors like orange and a not very flattering red. She dresses very matronly.

She does NOT look like a 33 year old. Or is it 32 she is? Letizia and Mary look SO much younger both of them !!

She seems really sweet and genuine and open. Inteligent and Hardworking. A good mother.

Philippe is just soo grey and borring, he seems unhappy in his role.

martha-louise 08-28-2007 05:29 PM

You misunderstood, I didn't say she reminds me of Diana. It was just a comparison about the intelligence.
Diana was loved all over the world with a very mediocre IQ. That proves that nobody cares about your academic degrees. Philippe and Mathilde have a higher IQ but people look at them as dumb. Diana was the opposite.

Empress 08-28-2007 05:51 PM

Hi everyone - I know that tempers are running high this week because of all the happenings in the British forums, but let's please not let that trickle over into any of the other forums.

On that note, I do not think that we need any further mention of Diana in this thread.

While we would love to have a bit more excitement in these threads, that is not the sort we want!

Thanks for understanding

Empress

stephanievl 08-28-2007 06:17 PM

I am curious to find out why some people think Mathilde is clumsy?
To me she is a very elegant and gracious woman

She is always interested and listens to everybody. She fourfills her duties as a princess with grace and is always curious, kind and interested in what people are saying.

As far as het looks, i think she is a beautiful woman with stunning legs and eyes. After the birth of 3 childern it is normal that she does not look like a supermodel but as a real woman without complexes. I really like her clothing, it is sober not over the top. She has a good mix between modern and classic.

As fat as her language goes. Especilly her Dutch improved a lot over the years. I saw an intervieuw with her on television a few month ago and her Dutch was really good. It is normal that she has a French accent. The tv host said that het Dutch was verry wel and behind the scenes (when she talked to het without cameras) is was even better.
I find it verry important that they send their childern to a Dutch soeaking school since the beginning. Mathilde sais recently that Elisabeth and Gabriël start to speak Dutch along each other at home. So that is a verry good sign that the kids will be perfect billingual. Elisabeth goes also follow dancing classes stating in september in a normal dancing school, o think that is verry good, she will be less shy as her father who never did thing like that.

Duke of Marmalade 08-28-2007 06:19 PM

Well, they are not as much in the spotlight as the other couples and many tend to find them boring. They do lack a bit of excitement but that does not make them less worthy representatives of Belgium. Maybe they are too normal for a royal couple but when you look at the scandals in the life of King Albert and Queen Paola it's not a bad thing :rolleyes: I personally think very highly of Mathilde as she seems to be a very warm person who can easily deal with people. She is definitely an asset for the monarchy and Phillipe can count himself lucky that he found such a spouse as he lacks a bit of personality at first look.

stephanievl 08-28-2007 06:35 PM

Yeah i also think Philippe couls be more open. He seems a closed, stiff person when he has officail duties. When he is with his childern he is more open, relaxed. I don't think he likes the press verry much!
After the birth of Elisabeth Belgium was shokked about the open prince who came to the press conference in his green operation shirt speaking so open, relaxed. We could not believe our eyes. We hoped that the prince would become more open, social after that but that was not the case.
He has changed with the help of Mathilde and nowadays puts in a lot of effort to bemore open, social but it is not easy for him. He has already changed a little bit but i think he needs time to change. Little by little i think/hope he will get there.

COUNTESS 08-28-2007 07:50 PM

They seem to be a lovely couple. She is elegant and seems gracious. Phillipe on the other hand may seem a bit stiff, but he just may be shy or nervous. They certainly aren't stupid, as some have inferred. Being new, I do not want to overstep my bounds, but Queen Elizabeth reads her copy for Christmas and such in a stiff, uninteresting tone. It is only of late that she tries to reach out to people and be more friendly. I think Mathilde and Phillipe, will grow into their roles, in time and with experience.

flcty 08-29-2007 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Henri M. (Post 658406)
I know that the Duke and Duchess of Brabant have a good educational report. Wonderful. But it is the impression they make. They (also Mathilde, but for sure Philippe) make the impression of being dumb, clumsy, goofy, and acting like they could not make any step without a whisper from the entourage. They look like continuously feeling at unease. It looks like they need more selfconsciousness, firmness and also need to work at their "body language".

That is all. Prince Philippe is not the only one. I see exactly the same with Prince Laurent and Princess Astrid.

I agree with Henri M on that one, they won't seem to do anything without approval from 5-6 people, even on the most innocent, simple acts.
Question. Did Phillipe attend a dutch speaking school? How is his dutch? If its really bad. Will Elisabeth follow in her pa's footsteps?

stephanievl 08-29-2007 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by flctylu (Post 658948)
I agree with Henri M on that one, they won't seem to do anything without approval from 5-6 people, even on the most innocent, simple acts.
Question. Did Phillipe attend a dutch speaking school? How is his dutch? If its really bad. Will Elisabeth follow in her pa's footsteps?

Elisabeth will not follow in her dad's foorsteps. Philippe went to scholl in both languages as for Elisabeth she goes to a totally Dutch speaking school. She speaks French with her parent but in school everything is in Dutch, het nanny is Dutch speaking and she is going to a Dutch speaking dancingschool from september. Philippe and Mathilde already said that they find it verry important that their childern will be billingual. Filip speaks the 2 languages, his Dutch is good but he still has an accent. And they don't want that fot their childern. Mathilde already said that Elisabeth and Gabriël start to speak Duth along each other when they are not at school so that is a good sign that they will be perfect billingual.
The childern of Astrid went also to a Dutch speaking school (the same as Elisabeth) and they are an example of Billinguality. They spoke French with their parent and Dutch in school. I have heard Amedeo speaking in Dutch on television and she speaks it perfect.
So this is a good sign for the future that the next generation of Belgium royals will be perfect billingual.

Marengo 08-29-2007 06:57 AM

Apart from a small accent and once in a while an odd word choice Phillipe´s Dutch is fluent and good. Mathilde´s Dutch is fairly well too IMHO.

BTW didn´t Filip join dutch-speaking boyscouts when he was young? I remember seeing that in a documentairy before his wedding to Mathilde.

The present court is rather rigid according to some books, most recently told by col. Vaessen. Albert kept most of his brothers staff. No major changes can be expected under this reign but I suspect Filip will ´democratise´ the court with people selected for their professionalism instead of their noble titles etc, as he does with his own staff.

johann 08-29-2007 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by flctylu (Post 658948)
I agree with Henri M on that one, they won't seem to do anything without approval from 5-6 people, even on the most innocent, simple acts.

Mathilde is accompanied by her assistant and her security, pretty much standard if you ask me and far away from needing 5 or 6 persons to tell her what to do. And she is very well capable of doing things on her own – one recent example would be calming down hysterical paparazzi in China by organizing a group photo. Philippe is usually surrounded by his advisor Boudewijn Dereymaker, by his assistant Noel de Bruyne or one ordinance officer plus security. And for the rest: royal work is always team work, or do you think the other crown princely couples do things on their own without being supported by staff?

But generally spoken the BRF urgently needs to reorganize the court and finally retire Jaques Van Ypersele de Strihou (70), chief of the King’s cabinet. He certainly has his merits, but nowadays his way of running the court is more than outdated. Once the new government is working smoothly (whenever that may be), they should look for another head of cabinet and review the complete court structure. And in opposite to Marengo I think there is a realistic chance that at least the Van Ypersele de Strihou change will take place during Albert´s reign. The Verhofstadt government already plead (unsuccessfully) for a change and IMO the pressure on Van Ypersele de Strihou did increase enormously during the last years.

NotAPretender 08-29-2007 07:16 PM

Well stated, Al bina.

And Henri, my deepest apologies for confusing the two PM's. In trying to make sure I spelled the names correctly, I relied on other sources. Cutting and pasting the names of the former and current caught my fingers in the garden gate. Any error is, of course, mine; my new-found Belgian friend showed me exactly the clip on line of Yves Leterme and is in no way responsible for my error.


I have found her to be well informed and insightful, and am inclined to lean toward her findings. We could be dealing with a generation gap here with regard to opinions such as these; the young woman in question is in her late twenties, as are her other Belgian and European friends with whom I have also met. I find her circle to be well-read and independent thinking, and while not actively agitating for change, certainly would welcome changes and fresh air.

Given that two brothers have held the throne there since 1951 and that it is well beyond anyone over the age of 45 or so to remember either King as being particularly "young" in action, demeanor, or attitude, it is certainly understandable. The current King took the throne at age 59, after all.

I personally believe that some princes will never season enough to reign, regardless of their right to do so. In reviewing the available information on-line, I think that Philippe is a man who is coming into his own. I will enjoy watching him, and several other princes such as Haakon of Norway, as they move through their apprenticeship to power and/or position.


wernermaurice 09-04-2007 05:32 AM

It's quite an interesting fact that most of the negative comments regarding Phillipe and Mathilde are originating from people in the Netherlands (Marengo excluded). What a remarkable coincidence! :rolleyes:

Anyway this whole discussion is ridiculous, childish and presumptous. Noone of us knows or has has ever held a longer conversation neither with Phillipe nor with Mathilde. So how can anyone claim to know anything about their intellectual abilities.

And I do not want to imagine the appearance of those contributors who describe Mathilde of not being elegant and gracious...

Myriam 09-10-2007 08:05 PM

As you can see by my profile I am from Israel. Here you don't find many royalty watchers :biggrin:. But well I am different. And since I pay attention to royalty I am in love with Belgian Royal Family. Everyone is entitled to have their opinion but for me the belgian royals represent the most elegant and classy royal family. No other crown princess compares to Mathilde (Mary is very close). She's so traditional, sweet and faithful.

TLLK 09-30-2007 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by martha-louise (Post 658560)
One has to make the distingtion between IQ and social/emotionale intelligence. Philippe and Mathilde have a normal high IQ, both with universitary background.

Philippe lacks social intelligence (a lot!) That is why I wonder if he is so bad in social behavior only when people are around or also in private life.
My opinion is that Mathilde has a high IQ and social/emotional intelligence, but is to obedient to the royal establishment, to classic, to pious to be totally accepted/popolar.

It's kind of ironic to think now of Lady Di, she had no grade, she was a nursery teacher. It's not the brains that make a woman popular (do I need to give more examples...)

I know that this is going to seem far-fetched but could Prince Phillipe have Aspberger's Syndrome? I only pose this idea because I've read a number of comments regarding his "social intelligence," "awkwardness," and "stiffness."

Regina 09-30-2007 09:56 AM

I don't know if Prince Philippe has a high or low IQ social intelligence. What I think is that he is extremely shy and insecure with the public. God knows how much he wished to be more open and sociable but his shyness doesn't allow him to be that. When I see pictures of him arriving to some event he seems confident but as time goes by his insecurity shows up and it seems he can't do anything he planned to (socially speaking) like smiling to the public, tell something funny, etc.
Mathilde doesn't seem shy but reserved and contrary to her husband she seems to be at easy with the public.

PrincessofEurope 12-15-2007 01:39 PM

i think they are a lovely reserved royal couple and very traditional which can have both advantages and disadvantages depending on what you want from a royal family

Penny Lane 01-02-2008 02:30 PM

The main drawback for Phillipe seems to be his unease in public and his lack of social or people skills that can be a real problem for a future king or queen but that does not mean in his own way he won't rise to the occasion.Mathilde seems to be a very warm,sweet woman which can go along way with their public.I agree they are something of a throwback to an earlier time they are a reserved but gentle couple and seem to be very loving parents.I think Phillipe may be more relaxed with his family but dosen't have such an easy time with the public.I don't think this would make him stupid just shy his educational background seems to show that he is intelligent.

Myriam 01-02-2008 04:49 PM

he is just too shy! maybe he could try some yoga classes or so to r.e.l.a.x

Krisorio 01-02-2008 06:04 PM

Dear Forum Members. This is my first post on this forum. I have been reading the royal forums for quite some time now since i am writing a paper for university about the role of the Monarchy in European society. I have read all your comments about Prince Phillipe and Princess Mathilde with interest.
In my opinion Prince Phillipe and Princess Mathilde are a wonderfull princely couple, they represent the old European Aristocracy. They both look and act very elegant, refined and dignified. I read comments on this board saying that Prince Phillipe has a certain goofiness about him! The style and sophistication that Prince Phillipe portrays should be an example for the other Royals in Europe. I do not see anything "goofy" in his manners, no quite on the contrary, i see a "naturally" acting Aristocrat, that according to his social position distances himself slightly of the people, but never in an arrogant manner. Even though Mathilde did not come from a reigning Royal family, she has been a God gift for the Royal family, since she has a natural understanding of what it means to be Royal. Princess Mathilde has a kind of humilty that is amazing. Thank you for reading,

Christian

Moonmaiden23 01-02-2008 07:43 PM

I think CP Philippe is what they call "over bred". He is a true blue blood, a real aristocrat in the old pre-Diana style. I saw a documentary of him that was rather old, I think King Baudouin was still alive and Philippe was sent to Hawaii for the commemoration of Father Damien's 100th birthday or something.

He handled himself with elegance and poise, and he spoke perfect English. But nobody could call him "The People's Prince" or anything silly like that because he does NOT have the "common touch" or anything resembling it. He is an aristocrat through and through.

If he had been born in the 19th or even the first half of the 20th century he'd be perfect. Unfortunately for him and for all Royals of his ilk, people are demanding a more touchy-feely type of Royal in the 21st century.

For the record, I think he and his wife CP Mathilde are wonderful.

COUNTESS 01-02-2008 09:45 PM

They look and deport themselves like a wonderful couple. Belgium should be proud of them.

NotAPretender 01-03-2008 05:26 PM

I have to say, the two of them do Belgium proud.

Moonmaiden23 01-03-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by COUNTESS (Post 711473)
They look and deport themselves like a wonderful couple. Belgium should be proud of them.


I agree, he and Mathilde and the entire family make me want to visit Belgium. I can't say the same about certain other Royal families and their respective countries!

But then again, I am not a native of Belgium so I guess my opinion doesn't matter much.

ZUBIAUR 10-30-2008 02:32 PM

I think they are very good persons.I think they will be good monarchs of Belgium.:flowers:

MAfan 10-30-2008 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaDreamin (Post 711810)
I agree, he and Mathilde and the entire family make me want to visit Belgium. I can't say the same about certain other Royal families and their respective countries!

But then again, I am not a native of Belgium so I guess my opinion doesn't matter much.

Me too...I completely agree with you

sgl 10-30-2008 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 845291)
Me too...I completely agree with you

I agree also. They have made me more curious about Belgium. They are an elegant couple, but they also have a warmth. I always enjoy reading about them and their family.

Al_bina 10-31-2008 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Krisorio (Post 711404)
....[snipped]
In my opinion Prince Phillipe and Princess Mathilde are a wonderfull princely couple, they represent the old European Aristocracy. They both look and act very elegant, refined and dignified. I read comments on this board saying that Prince Phillipe has a certain goofiness about him! The style and sophistication that Prince Phillipe portrays should be an example for the other Royals in Europe. I do not see anything "goofy" in his manners, no quite on the contrary, i see a "naturally" acting Aristocrat, that according to his social position distances himself slightly of the people, but never in an arrogant manner. [my bolding] Even though Mathilde did not come from a reigning Royal family, she has been a God gift for the Royal family, since she has a natural understanding of what it means to be Royal. Princess Mathilde has a kind of humilty that is amazing. Thank you for reading,
Christian

I fully share your opinion. Crown Princely couple comports themselves in an impeccable way. Prince Phillipe belongs to a higher social stratum that defines his behaviour and ways he tends to interact with different people. There is nothing wrong with that.

rominet09 10-31-2008 08:59 AM

I am very proud of my future King and Queen, and of their lovely children !

Lumutqueen 06-02-2009 04:21 PM

I seem to have a more leaning to liking Princess Mathilde, over Prince Phillippe he has always seemed abit distanced or distracted from public life. He never seemed to be very much of a leader in my eyes. :whistling:
Mathilde is wonderful though, she is a perfect royal model and Elisabeth, Gabriel, Emmanuel and Eleonore are lucky to have her as a mother. :flowers:

Oh i realise that the person in question has been banned but i would like to say this anyway, why was Henri.M. comparing Maxima and Mathilde, referencing the Dutch, and their royal family in nearly every post. It confuses me as this is a thread about the Crown Prince and Princess of Belgium.

x

Marengo 06-02-2009 07:24 PM

Well, we Dutch like to feel better at the expense of our neighbours...(as any other nation I guess). We usually stick to complaining about the bad state of the Belgian roads while ours are so well taken care of ;). Or what a mess the spacial planning in Belgium is, it seems everybody can build a house in any style on any place they like, but somehow all these houses have two tacky stone lions in front of the driveway (with the cheapest version of the most expensive car they could afford on the driveway). Since the Belgians are often shy and quiet people, very little Dutch realise that they hate our guts and think we are too loud, boisterous, bad mannered and many other nasty things.

But since they are crown princesses of two neighbouring countries the comparison is quickly made. The press here focusses more on Mathilde than on other foreign crownprincess, and the Flemish press does the same.

LadyLeana 06-03-2009 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 946795)
Well, we Dutch like to feel better at the expense of our neighbours...(as any other nation I guess). We usually stick to complaining about the bad state of the Belgian roads while ours are so well taken care of ;). Or what a mess the spacial planning in Belgium is, it seems everybody can build a house in any style on any place they like, but somehow all these houses have two tacky stone lions in front of the driveway (with the cheapest version of the most expensive car they could afford on the driveway). Since the Belgians are often shy and quiet people, very little Dutch realise that they hate our guts and think we are too loud, boisterous, bad mannered and many other nasty things.

Should I? Would I? :whistling:

Marengo makes a point here. We shy quiet Belgians do not necessarily feel better than the Dutch (unlike the other way around :biggrin:), but we like to think our educational system is better, and, ok, so spacial planning is a mess... we don't like uniformity, so what's the deal? They laugh at our bad roads, and we wonder why their windows all have to open outward... Oh, wait, because the houses are so much smaller... :cool:

But, let's move on from the subject of Dutch vs Belgian (that issue has been solved to both of our satisfaction almost 180 years ago, despite some delusional ideas circulating these days)

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But since they are crown princesses of two neighbouring countries the comparison is quickly made. The press here focusses more on Mathilde than on other foreign crownprincess, and the Flemish press does the same.
I think that's only natural, the same is probably true for the Scandinavian royals amongst each other.
Both princesses have their own character and characteristics, and both are perfect for their respective countries, and neither would "work" in the other country. Mathilde would be too "soft" for the Dutch, too boring, whereas Maxima would be too outgoing, too "eye-catching" for us modest Belgians.
So basically both Princes made a perfect choice. :lol:

Al_bina 06-03-2009 04:05 PM

It is rather nice to see a friendly exchange between two neighbours. Belgians invented lambic, the champagne of beers (Cantillon's Rose of Gambrinus:wub:), whereas Dutch Edam and Gouda are one of the best cheeses in the world. Each nation has done something useful.
Going back to royals, the foremost point for me (as aptly noted by LadyLeanna) is that Crown Princess Mathilde and Crown Princess Maxima are perfect matches for their spouses. The next key point is that both Crown Princesses carry their official duties out with grace. They have their own agendas and participate in various worthy causes. When it comes to workload, it is impossible to draw valid comparisons between Crown Princesses ... at least for me. Finally, I do not think that Belgians would have embraced a star Princess such as the late Diana, Princess of Wales was ... or perhaps I am wrong in my assumptions ...

maria-olivia 06-03-2009 04:50 PM

Both Queens Paola and Fabiola should not allow a Princess being a star.

lyndaW 06-04-2009 11:31 AM

CP Mathilde is always serene, gracious, warm and quiet -- nice and steady just a perfect match for Phillipe......she does Belgium proud.

Tilla 06-04-2009 04:38 PM

CPs Philippe and Mathilde are sensitive, delicate, tactful, elegant, discreet, unpretentious, intelligent, understanding, sympathetic, loving, kind-hearted, beautiful and charming persons.

selminha 06-04-2009 06:25 PM

I agree with you, lyndaW!!!

Pomerania 06-17-2009 12:37 AM

In all these years, the crown belgian princess has been showing to the world how to behave in such a role. Near the people and remembering the mysthic of the royalty. I am happy of begining with thi topic.

Pomerania 06-17-2009 08:31 PM

what is your opinion about CPhillipe and CPssMathilde
 
In all these years ,princess Mathilde has been showing us the image of a royal who is near the people and know the mystique of the monarchy. Thank you for the photos and the information in this forum.:wave:

michelleq 07-19-2009 02:35 PM

In my opinion, they are the most loving royal couple. Mathilde's quiet strength gives Phillippe a security. She is his help mate, never trying to outshine him which would be quite easy as he is very subdued. This is the perfect couple!!

crownprincessrhey 07-08-2010 07:29 PM

Some people might not just have a gift for public speaking..so I guess Prince Philippe is like that..he needs to be coached or help so that his public persona will improve but I think that he is a good person and not stupid!

heather66 07-11-2010 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyLeana (Post 947172)
Should I? Would I? :whistling:

Marengo makes a point here. We shy quiet Belgians do not necessarily feel better than the Dutch (unlike the other way around :biggrin:), but we like to think our educational system is better, and, ok, so spacial planning is a mess... we don't like uniformity, so what's the deal? They laugh at our bad roads, and we wonder why their windows all have to open outward... Oh, wait, because the houses are so much smaller... :cool:

But, let's move on from the subject of Dutch vs Belgian (that issue has been solved to both of our satisfaction almost 180 years ago, despite some delusional ideas circulating these days)



I think that's only natural, the same is probably true for the Scandinavian royals amongst each other.
Both princesses have their own character and characteristics, and both are perfect for their respective countries, and neither would "work" in the other country. Mathilde would be too "soft" for the Dutch, too boring, whereas Maxima would be too outgoing, too "eye-catching" for us modest Belgians.
So basically both Princes made a perfect choice. :lol:

haha...I agree the conclusion..As a Chinese, I'm a spectator, but I think both the princess are perfect. Maxima is from the sourthern America, so she is more enthusiastic; and Mathilde is the one I like more. I like the smile on her face and she is very soft and make people feel safe(I think so:biggrin:). Prince Philippe maybe look serious in public, but the reason partly attribute to his characteristic and partly because of Belgian special national situations.

bluestocking 07-21-2010 06:50 PM

As an American I don't know anything about the background of these particular people. There is no coverage to speak of of any royal families except Great Britain's and occasionally Monaco. But if you can tell anything from body language or facial expressions, I'd say that this particular couple comes across very well. They look like they're both a little reserved but care for and support each other and the children appear well brought up and good mannered. They look like nice people. I couldn't say that about all the pictures of royalty I've seen.

Bones 08-10-2010 11:53 PM

I recently heard that Philippe had a very low "approval rating" in Belgium and, not knowing much, tried to do some digging to see what sort of disaster or scandal caused this. After all, his support was rated lower than the Prince of Wales who has had quite a few scandals under his belt. I was rather surprised to come up with nothing. Even reading through all the messages here I have been rather shocked by the attitudes and I still cannot quite help but wonder if there is not some great secret I alone am missing out on.

Based on what I have read, rather than Philippe and Mathilde it is the people of Belgium and perhaps some royal watchers who are the ones who need to 'just relax'. There's been no divorce, no affairs, no real scandals of any sort and no doubt about the couple being devoted to their duties. All the criticism I see is so un-specific and full of phrases starting with, "he seems", "she appears", "they come off as" or "I get the feeling that..." For so many people to have such a low opinion of the Crown Princely couple based on nothing more substantial than feelings and appearances is frankly alarming to me. Some things are matters of taste -who "seems" confident or doesn't, how Mathilde dresses etc. Other things are just -baffling. I noticed the word "clumsy" alot on this thread. Did either of them ever pull a Gerry Ford and fall down the stairs? Have they dropped one of their children on their head?

From the pictures and videos etc I have seen they look like an upright, dedicated "normal" couple to me. I don't see anything major they've ever done wrong and Crown Prince Philippe, in videos of him with the children, seems to shed his age and act like a very young first-time father. I did not understand what the problem with these two people was to begin with and, I have to say, the more I read the less and less I understand it. They seem perfectly fine and acceptable to me. If I'm missing something let me know but I'd appreciate specific actions rather than feelings or appearances. That's my two cents anyway...:twocents:

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martha-louise 08-19-2010 12:18 PM

Oh, you are so right. There is indeed nothing wrong with Phillippe. And indeed no scandals to tell you. There is just nothing to tell but how nice this family is and how scandal-free Philippe is. But why attacking the prince?

Because there is a strong Flemish front here who wants to end the monarchie. They say it is oldfashion and undemocratic. But people used to say: so what they are nice people, we are attached to our royal family, we like them. So, what did the anti-monarchists do: attacking the persons instead of the institution. But hey, they had a problem! No bad girls, no drinking parties, no accidents, nothing. The prince is just a normal man, with normal interests and a normal IQ. But oops, wasn't he a little bit nervous then, and oh he asked the same question twice, uh-uh doesn't he look a bit uncertain? Yes yes, he seems a bit introvert. Probably he will be stupid too. We don't think he is fit to become a king. The republicans are just researching every detail about him and criticise him on very small things and mostly untrue! (e.g. Vandenberghe and Vandendriessche) It is just such a pitty for him, 'cause he's doing his best, he has become more open during the years, but still, he's not very popular, because of the not-so-interessting image.

Bones 08-26-2010 12:33 AM

:sad:How terribly unfair. No scandals=you're boring, some scandals=you're a disgrace. Doesn't seem like a situation anyone could win in. I suppose if I were in such a position I would be a bit on the nervous side myself. I hope they can manage it and carry on as well as they have been. And I hope the country stays together. The heroes of 2 world wars didn't sacrifice all just so the country could later destroy itself.

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Alondra 09-01-2010 07:07 AM

They are a wonderful family - pretty normal and down to earth comes to mind when I think of them.

Unfortunately being a wonderful couple fully invested in the interests of their country, won't be enough to keep Belgium as a monarchy in today's political reality. It' kind of similar situation as in Spain - it'd be a waste of high level human and national resources if ever our countries turn to a Republic ...unfortunately, that's the way we're going.

Lady Felicity M 09-08-2010 08:51 PM

I think Mathilde and Philippe are great, they're great parents. They show thier country to the world with grace and manner

Renata4711 11-05-2010 09:15 AM

I know it's not possible (dynastically-speaking) but after the old King hands over the reins, I would like Mathilde to be reigning Queen.

Okay, shoot at me....

rominet09 11-05-2010 10:46 AM

I love them and I am proud of them !

Susan D 12-14-2010 11:01 AM

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I think that they both do good work for Belgian trade and for charities but I wish that Mathilde had nicer clothes.

Penny Lane 12-14-2010 12:18 PM

He reminds me of Queen Elizabeth's father(not that I was around back then but from what I have learned) someone who lacked the charisma and personality but had a tightknit family life.
Maybe he will grow into the role as well.

IloveCP 06-14-2011 12:55 AM

I really like them.I think Philippe would rather be boring than have a life full of scandals.They seem like very good parents and a hard-working couple.

leidi 08-22-2012 04:41 AM

They strike me as an old fashioned kind of couple and that's precisely why they work, both are the kind of people who like to go on their business without too much fanfare.

The CP couple work hard and I consider them a great asset for their country, all the economic missions they are doing show it.

And I'm kinda jealous of Mathilde for getting him but can't really hate her, she's simply a perfect fit for Philippe ;)


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