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NotAPretender 07-05-2007 09:11 AM

Oldest Royal to Give Birth
 
With the Countess of Wessex expecting at the age of 42, I began to muse about older royal births.

I remember that Caroline of Monaco gave birth to her youngest at about age 42 or 43. That's about the oldest that I can recall offhand.

Grand Duchess Viktoria Feodorovna of Russia gave birth at age 41 to her son Grand Duke Vladimir Cyrillovich of Russia.

Might anyone else have insight?

LadyK 07-05-2007 02:09 PM

well, men don't give birth, otherwise we could list a few of them.....

Elspeth 07-05-2007 02:13 PM

Princess Alice Duchess of Gloucester gave birth to her second son (the present Duke of Gloucester) at the age of 43 (she was born in December 1901, and Prince Richard was born in August 1944).

NotAPretender 07-05-2007 02:45 PM

Yes, I realize I limited the query by stating "Oldest Royal To Give Birth." Fatherhood appears to be available on a timeless scale, whereas motherhood has a sunset horizon.

Henri M. 07-05-2007 02:50 PM

65 years old King to become father
 
In 1880 Willem III King of the Netherlands, Grand Duke of Luxembourg became father to Princess Wilhelmina (grandmother of Queen Beatrix) on the age of 65.

His wife, Queen Emma of the Netherlands, née Princess of Waldeck and Pyrmont, was only 20. An age gap of 45 years between husband and wife.

Mari_* 07-05-2007 05:56 PM

Woooow!! Thanks for the info Henri! :smile:

Avalon 07-05-2007 06:22 PM

Edward I was 60 when he married his 2nd wife, Marguerite of France (17 then). They had 3 children, the younges of them, Leonore, was born in 1306, when Edward was 67.
Only to add to this, the marriage was actually a happy one - after Edward's death Marguerite refused to marry, saying 'all men died with Edward' (and she had no lovers as well). But instead, she had a great relationships with all of her step-children (and there were 15 of them + 3 of her own).

NotAPretender 07-05-2007 06:52 PM

Hmmm let me clarify
 
While it's delightful to have the information regarding the male portion of the reproduction process, I was more interested in the age of those who gave birth - meaning, of course, the female half of the equation.

So to be a bit more clear, can anyone shed light on the eldest royal female to give birth to a child, living or stillborn.

So far, it appears that the Duchess of Gloucester at age 44 was the female royal who gave birth at the most advanced age.

Will the Countess of Wessex be 42 or 43 when she gives birth?

Elspeth 07-05-2007 06:58 PM

The Duchess of Gloucester was not quite 44; she'd have been about 4 months short of her 44th birthday when she gave birth.

NotAPretender 07-05-2007 07:12 PM

Hmm. So it's 43 years, 8 months for the Duchess of Gloucester.

Caroline of Monaco, 42 years & six months.

Sophie Wessex, 42 years & 11+/- months.

Benjamin 07-05-2007 07:47 PM

Clementine d'Orleans, Princess August of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, was almost 44 when she gave birth to her last child, who became the 1st King of Bulgaria. The Princess was born on Jun 17, 1817 and Ferdinand was born on Feb 26, 1861.

And Queen Sophie of the Hellenes was almost 43 (a month away) when she had Pss Katherine in 1913.

Pss Maria of Bavaria who married the late head of the Brazilian Imperial Family (b.9 Sep 1914) had her twin girls on 14 Jul 1959 so she was two months away from her forty-fifth birthday.

michelleq 07-05-2007 10:48 PM

Though from a Princely Family;

Princess Angela of Liechtenstein was 43 yrs, 3 months and 15 days when she gave birth to her son Alfons.

Avalon 07-05-2007 11:17 PM

Eleanor of Aquitaine was almost 44 when she gave birth to her youngest child, Prince John.

Queen Sophia of Greece (Sophia of Prussia) was 43 and 6 months old when she gave birth to Princess Katherine.

Elizabeth Woodville was 43 and 4 months old when she gave birth to Princess Briget of York

Eleanor of Castile was 43 when she gave birth to Prince Edward (Edward II)

Caroline of Ansbach was 41, when she gave birth to Princess Louise.

Philippa of Hainault was 41 when she gave birth to Thomas, 1st Duke of Gloucester

Elspeth 07-05-2007 11:45 PM

Eleanor of Aquitaine's actual birthday isn't known, is it? The nearest I could get is that she was born sometime in 1122 and gave birth to John in December 1166.

Avalon 07-06-2007 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspeth (Post 637028)
Eleanor of Aquitaine's actual birthday isn't known, is it? The nearest I could get is that she was born sometime in 1122 and gave birth to John in December 1166.

No, the exact Birthday is not known, and even the year is doubted (some suggest she was born in 1120, before her parents were married in 1121). However it is generally assumed she was born in early 1222, since on her 14th birthday the Lords of Aquitaine swore fealty to her (and that was in spring of 1136).

John was born on December 24, 1166. Which makes Eleanor 44 (or nearly 44) at the time of his birthday.

NotAPretender 07-06-2007 09:23 AM

So just under 45
 
Ah, so it appears that maternal upper limits on age are around 44-45.

Interesting!

I wish the Countess of Wessex Godspeed in her pregnancy.

HMTLove23 09-29-2007 01:30 PM

ROCCO
Dr. Enrico Mentana and his wife, née Donna Michela Rocco dei principi di Torrepadula (b.1960, daughter of Don Giulio Rocco, Principe di Torrepadula and of his second wife, née Maria Bert) had their second child together in Rome on 10 September. They have a son, Giulio, born in Rome on 3 June 2006. (updated 29 Sep 2007)

Michela is 47 years old

from Pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff

Benjamin 09-30-2007 10:00 PM

Pss Luigi of Bourbon-Parma (nee Maria of Savoy; 1914-2001) was two months short of her 47th birthday when she had her last child in 1961.

kaffir 10-01-2007 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMTLove23 (Post 673135)
ROCCO
Dr. Enrico Mentana and his wife, née Donna Michela Rocco dei principi di Torrepadula (b.1960, daughter of Don Giulio Rocco, Principe di Torrepadula and of his second wife, née Maria Bert) had their second child together in Rome on 10 September. They have a son, Giulio, born in Rome on 3 June 2006. (updated 29 Sep 2007)

Michela is 47 years old

from Pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff

As someone who is interested in fertility treatments, is there any confirmation that this is not without use of a donor egg?

HMTLove23 04-02-2008 02:16 PM

GRAMONT

Antoine, 14th Duc de Gramont, Prince de Bidache, etc.(b.Boulogne-sur-Seine 26 Apr 1951), and his wife, née Catherine Forget(b.Dijon 17 Mar 1956), had their first child, Antoine, Duc de Guiche, in the United States on 23 March. (added 2 Apr 2008)


she's 52:eek:
I clearly think that she use Fertilty treatments or a surrogant!!!

sjetajiem 04-02-2008 03:46 PM

Antoine, duc de Guiche was actually born on March 22nd 2008.

See: birthannouncement on Royaute 2 Florence

magnik 04-05-2008 02:48 PM

Archduchess Maria-Valeria, Princess di Toscana (daughter of Franz Joseph I and Elisabeth) was 43 years, 2 months and 4 days when she give birth to her youngest child daughter Agnes (bd 26 VI 1911).

Princess Ludovika (grandmum of Maria-Valeria) was 41 years and near 4 months when she give birth her youngest child Prince Maximilian in 1849.

Ludovika's father King Maximilian I Josef was 54 years and almost 2 months when his youngest child Maximiliane was born in 1810. Her mother was 34.

Ludvika's sister Amalie Queen von Sachsen was 42 when she give birth to her youngest child Sophie in 1845.

stephanievl 04-05-2008 03:20 PM

Princess Astrid was 40 when she gave birth to het youngest child Laetitia Maria in 2003.

HMTLove23 04-06-2008 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjetajiem (Post 749174)
Antoine, duc de Guiche was actually born on March 22nd 2008.

See: birthannouncement on Royaute 2 Florence

they have since change it from the 23rd to the 22nd


Royal News of 2007, Section I

HMTLove23 05-27-2008 03:36 PM

Dubravka Cizmek, wife the duc of Sabran gave Birth?? to a daughter Delphine on 19th Oct 2001. She was born 14th Oct 1946

she was 55

ashelen 05-27-2008 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaffir (Post 673483)
As someone who is interested in fertility treatments, is there any confirmation that this is not without use of a donor egg?

i just was thinking the same, in the recent years we know all the fertility treatmens around so how we can know is her own eggs and no donation, 47 and 55 seems too old! please i do not want to ofend anyone but i know that conceiving with your own eggs after 40 is very difficult! anyone knows a better answer?

tokenguy 08-25-2008 01:05 PM

Princess Clementine
 
HRH Princess Clementine of Belgium was 40 when she gave birth to HIH Princess Marie Clotilde, Comtesse de Witt and 42 when she had HIH Napoleon IV, Prince Imperial; due to her having to wait until the death of her father, King Leopold II of Belgium, for marriage approval.

Odette 08-25-2008 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashelen (Post 772135)
i just was thinking the same, in the recent years we know all the fertility treatmens around so how we can know is her own eggs and no donation, 47 and 55 seems too old! please i do not want to ofend anyone but i know that conceiving with your own eggs after 40 is very difficult! anyone knows a better answer?


More than one (non royal that I know of) were surprised later on in life and after all children were in college.........and some of them were even grandmothers...... We have next door to us a happy dad of 62 running to buy diapers for his 3 month old son. He is so scared!~ and happy. The mom is a bouncy 52 year old who thought it is her time to relax.....:lol:

pamk 08-25-2008 02:09 PM

Wasn't Masako of Japan in her early 40's when she gave birth to Aiko?

Odette 08-25-2008 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pamk (Post 815685)
Wasn't Masako of Japan in her early 40's when she gave birth to Aiko?

I believe so. Marie Chantal also had her 5th baby a few months shy of 40 years old. (according to their web site she was born Sept 68)
40 is the new 30. A lot of women choose to have children later on.
Queen Silvia married at 32 and had her first baby at 33 years of age and that was 32 years ago.........

magnik 08-26-2008 02:12 PM

Masako was born 9 Dec 1963 and Aiko 1 Dec 2001.

Kiko or Akishino of Japan was almost 40 (without 5 days) when she birth Hisahito.

Angela von Liechtenstein was 43 years, 3 months, 15 days when she gave birth Alfons.

Władysław II Jagiełło Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland born about 1351 or 1362 depend of sources was 76 or 66 when his youngest son Kazimierz IV was born in 1427. His wife was about 22.

Kazimierz IV was 55 when his youngest child Elżbieta whike his wife Elisabeth von Habsburg (daughter of Albrecht V King of Hungary) was 45 or 46.

Their oldest son Ladislas II von Bohemia and Hungry was 50 and his wife Anne de Foix was 22 when their youngest son Lajos II was born.

Lajos's younger brother Zygmunt I was 59 when whis youngest child was born in 1526 his Wife Bona Sforza was 31.

Lajos's sister Anna was 42 almost 43 when llike her husband Ferdinand I von Habsburg when their last child Johanna was born.

HMTLove23 08-26-2008 02:27 PM

that would make her 8 days shy of her 38th birthday

Tilda1234 12-03-2008 08:53 AM

A 55 year old mother has quite likely received fertility treatment. With 47 i'm not so sure. In my own ancestry i have female ancestors, who gave birth when they were older than 43 (e.g. 15. child with 45 in 1832 and 16. and last child with 47 in 1835; 12. child with 44 in 1792; 11. child with 44) and this was of course years before any kind of treatment was known. To me this shows that a woman can give birth to a healthy child with mid-forthy. But it is far more likely if she already had some kids.
I don't think that Alexia of Greece, who was 42 when Amelia was born, Cristina of Spain, who was nearly 40 at the birth of Irene, Marie Chantal of Greece (39 when Aristidis was born), Astrid (40 when Laetitia-Maria arrived) had any kind of treatment.

MAfan 06-17-2009 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMTLove23 (Post 673135)
ROCCO
Dr. Enrico Mentana and his wife, née Donna Michela Rocco dei principi di Torrepadula (b.1960, daughter of Don Giulio Rocco, Principe di Torrepadula and of his second wife, née Maria Bert) had their second child together in Rome on 10 September. They have a son, Giulio, born in Rome on 3 June 2006. (updated 29 Sep 2007)

Michela is 47 years old

from Pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff

Michela was not born in 1960, but in 1970; so she was "only" 37 when she gave birth to her daughter Vittoria.

Biri 02-19-2010 08:36 AM

Princess Lia of Romania (b.1949) had her son Carol Ferdinand on 11th January 2010.
Surely with a donor egg.

NoorMeansLight 02-19-2010 08:59 AM

This is quite an interesting thread. Biri, this princess is 61!! I was so surprised to hear that. I wanted to add a couple of royal ladies, but they are already mentioned. Keep them coming!

Katrianna 02-20-2010 12:26 AM

Princess Lia had "help" in conceiving and carrying her pregnancy. When the news was first announced, I believe her husband stated that the couple didn't have any fertility treatments, but later admitted that they did. I had read that on a Royal site, but for the life of me cannot recall or find it.

NoorMeansLight 02-20-2010 08:59 AM

That's ok Katrianna. Well, it's still a world record, right? lol

Rhys82192 07-18-2011 11:18 PM

Princess Nora of Liechtenstein (b. October 31, 1950) gave birth to a daughter, Maria Teresa Sartorius (b. November 25, 1992) at the age of 42. Princess Nora's husband was the late Marquis of Marino, Vicente Sartorius (b. November 30, 1931). Vicente Sartorius is a widower and is the father of Isabel Sartorius, the former girlfriend of Spain's Crown Prince Felipe. Vicente Sartorius became the father of Maria Teresa at the age of 60. Vicente Sartorius died of heart attack on 2002 while on a vacation in Spain. Maria Teresa was only 10 years old at that time.

Domhangairt 09-20-2016 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katrianna (Post 1053092)
Princess Lia had "help" in conceiving and carrying her pregnancy. When the news was first announced, I believe her husband stated that the couple didn't have any fertility treatments, but later admitted that they did. I had read that on a Royal site, but for the life of me cannot recall or find it.

Lia Triff, wife of Paul of Romania, claimed in an interview, that she had stored/frozen her eggs when she was younger, and these eggs were used in the conception of her son Carol Ferdinand. I don't know whether she carried her son or not. I have read that it is medically possible for a post- menopausal woman to carry a child if she has received treatment. I am no expert in this field, so I don't know whether this is possible.

Mimi1984 11-16-2016 05:36 PM

Amelie of Bavaria (1865-1912), died in May 1912 at the age of 46, short after giving birth to her 9th child. She was married to Wilhelm of Urach, 1892-1912.

Amelie was a niece to Elisabeth, the famous Empress (1837-1898) and shared the birthday: 24.12. with her.

Mimi1984 02-14-2017 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnik (Post 750114)
Archduchess Maria-Valeria, Princess di Toscana (daughter of Franz Joseph I and Elisabeth) was 43 years, 2 months and 4 days when she give birth to her youngest child daughter Agnes (bd 26 VI 1911).

Princess Ludovika (grandmum of Maria-Valeria) was 41 years and near 4 months when she give birth her youngest child Prince Maximilian in 1849.

Ludovika's father King Maximilian I Josef was 54 years and almost 2 months when his youngest child Maximiliane was born in 1810. Her mother was 34.

Ludvika's sister Amalie Queen von Sachsen was 42 when she give birth to her youngest child Sophie in 1845.

Not yet. Amalie (* 1801), so she was 43 or 44, when she give birth to her last child.

Mimi1984 02-14-2017 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnik (Post 816031)
Masako was born 9 Dec 1963 and Aiko 1 Dec 2001.

Kiko or Akishino of Japan was almost 40 (without 5 days) when she birth Hisahito.

Angela von Liechtenstein was 43 years, 3 months, 15 days when she gave birth Alfons.

Władysław II Jagiełło Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland born about 1351 or 1362 depend of sources was 76 or 66 when his youngest son Kazimierz IV was born in 1427. His wife was about 22.

Kazimierz IV was 55 when his youngest child Elżbieta whike his wife Elisabeth von Habsburg (daughter of Albrecht V King of Hungary) was 45 or 46.

Their oldest son Ladislas II von Bohemia and Hungry was 50 and his wife Anne de Foix was 22 when their youngest son Lajos II was born.

Lajos's younger brother Zygmunt I was 59 when whis youngest child was born in 1526 his Wife Bona Sforza was 31.

Lajos's sister Anna was 42 almost 43 when llike her husband Ferdinand I von Habsburg when their last child Johanna was born.

Anna died in childbirth, her daughter Johanna lived, but died herself in childbirth in 1878 at the age of 31.


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