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Izzie 08-01-2022 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2482718)
Yes, some sort of official visit.

There are plenty of countries to visit, even if they only two or three.

It would not be the first time Dannebrog is in the area. She went there with QMII and PH in connection with the Olympics in Greece - I suspect in the back of my mind, that by bringing her own residence QMII in that way avoided being hosted by the Greek government - vis a vis the way King Konstantinos and Queen Anne Marie were treated at Benedikte's wedding. And that fact that QMII, despite quite a bit of pressure, refused to visit Greece, until her brother-in-law and sister were allowed back to Greece.
It is of course off topic in this tread but meant only to illustrate that Dannebrog has and can be used for summer cruises way off Danish waters. I doubt the sailors aboard Danneborg had any particular objections though... :tongue:

And while on the topic of Danneborg. My big wet dream is to see her on an official cruise to Australia. It would, considering the length of the journey, be a mix of an official trip as well as being a holiday trip.
I would very much like to see Dannebrog sailing under Sydney Harbour Bridge or passing the Arizona Memorial with M&F aboard.

I tried to illustrate that dream some years back:
https://app.box.com/s/13mg8fqagnztjree2oc3

So an official trip by M&F to Greece is a possibility. Maybe they could do more than one stop for a more extended official trip?!?

How long would it take the Danneborg to travel to Australia though? Is that even a possibility? But WOW, the optics of sailing under the Sydney Harbor Bridge, by the Opera House!

Muhler 08-01-2022 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia (Post 2482715)
I mean, Christian, Ingrid and Estelle will all have special relationship regardless of their respective ages. There's 5 years between Frederik and Haakon and 9 years between him and Victoria, and they're all very close regardless.

Ingrid already alluded to it in her birthday interview, that "obviously" she's close with her Scandinavian "colleagues". And it has showed – both in her inviting Christian to her confirmation (as the only non-Norwegian young royal) and in the photo that was released from Ingrid and her family's private visit to Estelle and her family. Age isn't a barrier for bonding – especially not when you're in the same position.

Agree.

What I mean with Estelle is that Vincent and Josephine is at that age where you can, not always, be very conscious about your age. But when they are around 13-14 years old, that doesn't matter anymore.
So yes, Estelle can - and hopefully will - bond with V&J.

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Yes, that's what I meant. An extended trip to some countries around the Mediterranean. Most countries in that region have an extended coastline, so it should be possible to make several stops to different ports.

It is possible to send Dannebrog to the Pacific. It will of course be very expensive and need a change of crews at least three times, probably four, not only for Dannebrog herself, but for her escort as well.
It will also take time, months back and forth, because she is not the fastest ship around.
So it would have to be a very long trip, visiting a number of countries over a period of up to several months, where M&F in this vision, will fly in when Dannebrog has arrived at her next destination.
But few will deny, I believe, that she's a beautiful ambassador for Denmark - with the fifth or sixth largest merchant fleet in the world. - Which is an argument for sending her on such a trip.
Being an elderly lady she will also need some maintenance in ports from time to time.
And as such it would be almost discourteous if she was not to drop by Hawaii on her way out or back - and probably San Diego as well. ;)
Likely going through the Panama Canal, she could also visit a number of countries in the Caribbean.

Apart from the old Britania I don't think another royal yacht has ever visit the Pacific before.
I can't of course pretend to speak for the Americans, Australians (and New Zealanders?) or the Chinese, but I think (and hope) she would be welcomed.

One thing is certain, they would have no problems whatsoever finding volunteer conscripts for that journey!

Izzie 08-01-2022 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2482731)
Agree.

What I mean with Estelle is that Vincent and Josephine is at that age where you can, not always, be very conscious about your age. But when they are around 13-14 years old, that doesn't matter anymore.
So yes, Estelle can - and hopefully will - bond with V&J.

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Yes, that's what I meant. An extended trip to some countries around the Mediterranean. Most countries in that region have an extended coastline, so it should be possible to make several stops to different ports.

It is possible to send Dannebrog to the Pacific. It will of course be very expensive and need a change of crews at least three times, probably four, not only for Dannebrog herself, but for her escort as well.
It will also take time, months back and forth, because she is not the fastest ship around.
So it would have to be a very long trip, visiting a number of countries over a period of up to several months, where M&F in this vision, will fly in when Dannebrog has arrived at her next destination.
But few will deny, I believe, that she's a beautiful ambassador for Denmark - with the fifth or sixth largest merchant fleet in the world. - Which is an argument for sending her on such a trip.
Being an elderly lady she will also need some maintenance in ports from time to time.
And as such it would be almost discourteous if she was not to drop by Hawaii on her way out or back - and probably San Diego as well. ;)
Likely going through the Panama Canal, she could also visit a number of countries in the Caribbean.

Apart from the old Britania I don't think another royal yacht has ever visit the Pacific before.
I can't of course pretend to speak for the Americans, Australians (and New Zealanders?) or the Chinese, but I think (and hope) she would be welcomed.

One thing is certain, they would have no problems whatsoever finding volunteer conscripts for that journey!

Oh a trip like that would be wonderful, epic and historic! A sight like that in Hawaii and San Diego would be amazing! I am only a 3 hour drive from San Diego and I would not be shocked if I all of a sudden needed to be down there for one thing or another...:whistling: And I totally think the royal yacht would bring out the crowds in the US! That lady must be quite a sight in person...so I can see all cell phones out taking photos!

kalnel 08-01-2022 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2482731)
Agree.
Apart from the old Britania I don't think another royal yacht has ever visit the Pacific before.
I can't of course pretend to speak for the Americans, Australians (and New Zealanders?) or the Chinese, but I think (and hope) she would be welcomed.

One thing is certain, they would have no problems whatsoever finding volunteer conscripts for that journey!

Maybe they should start with a trip to the East Coast, visiting Eastern Canada or New York. They could even sail it up the Potomac River into Washington harbor. (Ships with a 30-foot draught can come up the river. The Dannebrog's draught is only 23 feet, so plenty of room.)

Muhler 08-01-2022 06:45 PM

Something like that has been done before.

Back in 1976 QMII and PH visited USA to mark the centennial and Dannebrog sailed to New York for the occasion.

Izzie 08-01-2022 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2482741)
Something like that has been done before.

Back in 1976 QMII and PH visited USA to mark the centennial and Dannebrog sailed to New York for the occasion.

It would be lovely to see it again with the de factos. NYC, Boston, DC.
Harvard - the JFK School of Public Admin where the recipients of the CPF Foundation scholarships are funded to attend for a year. We could use DK's knowledge re alternative fuel and power sources here tbh!! :whistling:

kalnel 08-01-2022 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2482741)
Something like that has been done before.

Back in 1976 QMII and PH visited USA to mark the centennial and Dannebrog sailed to New York for the occasion.

Well, the United States will be celebrating its semiquincentennial in 2026. Maybe F&M can bring the Dannebrog over for another visit then. :-)

Muhler 08-02-2022 05:56 AM

Well, it is certainly possible.

The Biden administration has or will (not sure if it's gone through Congress) invest heavily in alternative energy and other forms of infrastructure.
That was met with delight by Danish businesses because DK is among the world-leaders in wind energy (and if it works, also soon in how to store that energy) because that potentially meant big export of parts, mills and know how to USA.
Some of the US projects on table involves huge wind farms in the Gulf of Mexico BTW, so there is a distinct maritime element to this.
So if the current US administration is reelected or the next administration continue the policy I will find it more than likely that DK will send a big trade delegation to USA (in fact I'm pretty certain they are working on that right now) and such delegations are typically led by M&F

Another things is that other countries in the Caribbean may be interested in wind energy or thermal energy from the sea (that's Norway's department). There are after all quite a few island nations in that part of the world.
Mexico has also begun to flex it's economic muscles in earnest and would be worth a visit again.

So even though it may no be likely and Dannebrog with her older diesel engines is not the best ambassador for environmentally sound solutions, it is a possibility.

Another and very real possibility is a visit to Canada.
As some of you may know, Denmark has two land borders - one with Germany and one with Canada.
The long and amusing dispute over Hans Island located right between Greenland and Canada has recently been resolved, the solution was the simplest possible: Divide the very small island of Hans Island/Hans ō in two.
Considering the very peaceful way this was handled, the now close co-operations between Greenland (emergency hospital-care. If you live in north-east Canada Greenland, and by extension hospitals in Denmark can be relatively closer than hospitals in say Toronto.) and Canada and Danish Arctic Command and Canada regarding patrolling and search and rescue and the otherwise very good relations DK and Canada has, it is actually more than likely that this will be marked in some way - Frederik of course springs to mind.
And since Dannebrog routinely sail up and down the coasts of Greenland, why not pop over to Canada?

Muhler 08-08-2022 07:55 AM

This strictly belongs in the link section, but that is locked, so I will for the time being place it here, with a few words of advise.

https://presse-fotos.dk/

It's a news site focusing on photos.
It's not a big site with that many news, but it contains a number of photos that either haven't been used by other medias or are behind the scenes types.
That includes bomb-searches and fire-alarms going off.

I will suggest using these key words in the search feature:
Kongehuset, kronprinsesse Mary, kronprins frederik, dronning Margrethe, royalt, kongeskibet, amalienborg, Fredensborg slot, GrŚsten Slot, Marselisborg Slot, prins Christian, - vincent, - Joachim, prinsesse Marie, - Isabella, - Josephine etc.

So this is mainly for our ever vigilant news-diggers. :flowers:

- Until our moderators kindly decides what to do with this post. :smile:

Izzie 08-17-2022 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2482788)
Well, it is certainly possible.

The Biden administration has or will (not sure if it's gone through Congress) invest heavily in alternative energy and other forms of infrastructure.
That was met with delight by Danish businesses because DK is among the world-leaders in wind energy (and if it works, also soon in how to store that energy) because that potentially meant big export of parts, mills and know how to USA.
Some of the US projects on table involves huge wind farms in the Gulf of Mexico BTW, so there is a distinct maritime element to this.
So if the current US administration is reelected or the next administration continue the policy I will find it more than likely that DK will send a big trade delegation to USA (in fact I'm pretty certain they are working on that right now) and such delegations are typically led by M&F

Well, yesterday, August 16th, Biden signed what is being called the Inflation Reduction Act which is biggest piece of legislation that includes a huge investment in the issues re climate change and all things associated with it. And hopefully Denmark is a country they look to for investment, knowledge, etc. Either visiting Denmark or having M&F lead a trade delegation to the US. I would think they would look to NYC or DC for a visit. Didn't one of the Danish ministers recently meet with Secretary of State Blinken? I am sure the US is well aware of how far ahead countries like Denmark (and Norway) are in climate change solutions.

Muhler 08-18-2022 11:11 AM

Absolutely.

Danish Export and Danish Commerce are salivating at the opportunities!

And if the planning by the Ministry of Trade for a visit to USA involving M&F isn't already well underway, it will be soon.
I would be extremely surprised if there isn't such a visit to USA within two years, max. - I would also be extremely annoyed, as a taxpayer, if such a visit did not take place. That would IMO be nothing short of incompetence.

The interesting thing is of course where such a visit would take place.
I would imagine California would be high on the list, due to that state having a high profile in regards to the environment.
From an outsider's perspective and given the polarized political climate in USA these years, I would imagine that some states will be cultivated more by the Danish delegation than others.
From a geographical point of view - and provided the local political will is there - states with considerable coastlines and states with plenty of space inland, where it is also windy - but not too windy (no tornadoes or hurricanes please!) will be seen as the most likely places for the delegation to visit.
Because apart from producing and delivering very special parts as well as know how, DK simply cannot produce enough for a even a fraction of the US market - we are tied up in producing turbines for the EU projects in the North Sea, so it will be a matter of setting up production facilities in USA under some sort of license or joint venture, which will supply the US market.

- So based on that, it's up to you, our resident Americans, to judge which US states will be most interested in such production and as such be a part of this and future follow-up visits by M&F.

I don't really expect M&F to visit the White House, but they will no doubt visit Washington to pay their respect to the US government at some level. That's common diplomatic courtesy. The higher level that M&F are received, the higher the export orders are likely to be.

Izzie 08-18-2022 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2484533)
Absolutely.

Danish Export and Danish Commerce are salivating at the opportunities!

And if the planning by the Ministry of Trade for a visit to USA involving M&F isn't already well underway, it will be soon.
I would be extremely surprised if there isn't such a visit to USA within two years, max. - I would also be extremely annoyed, as a taxpayer, if such a visit did not take place. That would IMO be nothing short of incompetence.

The interesting thing is of course where such a visit would take place.
I would imagine California would be high on the list, due to that state having a high profile in regards to the environment.
From an outsider's perspective and given the polarized political climate in USA these years, I would imagine that some states will be cultivated more by the Danish delegation than others.
From a geographical point of view - and provided the local political will is there - states with considerable coastlines and states with plenty of space inland, where it is also windy - but not too windy (no tornadoes or hurricanes please!) will be seen as the most likely places for the delegation to visit.
Because apart from producing and delivering very special parts as well as know how, DK simply cannot produce enough for a even a fraction of the US market - we are tied up in producing turbines for the EU projects in the North Sea, so it will be a matter of setting up production facilities in USA under some sort of license or joint venture, which will supply the US market.

- So based on that, it's up to you, our resident Americans, to judge which US states will be most interested in such production and as such be a part of this and future follow-up visits by M&F.

I don't really expect M&F to visit the White House, but they will no doubt visit Washington to pay their respect to the US government at some level. That's common diplomatic courtesy. The higher level that M&F are received, the higher the export orders are likely to be.

California is most certainly an option high on the list given the extensive coastline and being very aggressive re climate change. Plus, not only do we have the coastline...there are also windmills working in the desert (you can see them on the way to Palm Springs). We have a bit of everything. Washington State may be another possibility as well...maybe Oregon...that covers the entire west coast!! Not sure, but maybe Nevada with it's windy deserts! I will add the City of Chicago to the list...they have water access and one of the windiest cities in the US (if not THE windiest!). So there are just some quick examples! NYC and/or DC would be expected I believe.

IMO, IF a visit is to take place, I would do it sooner rather than later before the 2024 elections just in case there is a change in Administration (that may have less of a commitment to the environment and climate change issues). Heck, at this point, I wish they would visit before the upcoming November midterm elections!!

Izzie 09-08-2022 02:50 PM

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but here goes:

So, curious question. Now that Prince Charles has become king (at the ripe old age of 73!!) does that NOW make Frederik the longest "heir-in-waiting" at 50 years as Crown Prince and the oldest one at 54? Is he NOW the new Prince Charles?

Curryong 09-08-2022 02:53 PM

Yes, but Crown Prince Haakon of Norway isnít far behind him at 49.

Muhler 09-08-2022 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzie (Post 2488334)
Not sure if this is the right place to ask but here goes:

So, curious question. Now that Prince Charles has become king (at the ripe old age of 73!!) does that NOW make Frederik the longest "heir-in-waiting" at 50 years as Crown Prince and the oldest one at 54? Is he NOW the new Prince Charles?

How old is Haakon?
Otherwise I think he is.

Well, if QMII lives just as long as QEII and she does not abdicate, he will basically be another "Prince Charles". With the Danes at some point switching their main interest to Christian, just as we have seen something similar in UK, where W&K very much have been seen as the "heirs" by a increasing number of the general public.

theroyalfly 09-08-2022 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzie (Post 2488334)
Now that Prince Charles has become king (at the ripe old age of 73!!) does that NOW make Frederik the longest "heir-in-waiting" at 50 years as Crown Prince and the oldest one at 54? Is he NOW the new Prince Charles?

Yes, he is.

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2488342)
Yes, but Crown Prince Haakon of Norway isnít far behind him at 49.

Apparently, CP Haakon only became an heir apparent in 1991 while CP Frederik became an heir apparent to Queen MII in 1972.

Runners-up would be CP Victoria in 1980 and HP Alois of Liechtenstein who's same age as CP Frederik and became an heir apparent to his father in 1989.

Izzie 09-08-2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Muhler (Post 2488343)
How old is Haakon?
Otherwise I think he is.

Well, if QMII lives just as long as QEII and she does not abdicate, he will basically be another "Prince Charles". With the Danes at some point switching their main interest to Christian, just as we have seen something similar in UK, where W&K very much have been seen as the "heirs" by a increasing number of the general public.

Haakon is currently 49. However, he has not been Crown Prince as long as Frederik. Frederik became the heir in 1972 at the age of only 3 years old!

And yes the "Prince Charles Syndrome" as I will call it is what happens when a monarch lives a very long life and the heir is left to wait and wait all the way past his/her prime years. Now Charles becomes king at 73 years old with alot of settled dust.

Maybe Frederik should invest in a feather duster and a comfy couch. I'd hate to start to see the headlines of how Frederik should just be skipped over for Christian. 50 years as heir and counting. :sad:

Muhler 09-08-2022 03:51 PM

Well, to me it's not really a question about how old they are or how long they have waited.

To me the most relevant questions are when the heir are in their prime and seen as being ready to take over by the public.
For Frederik that started when he was about 50.

For King Charles, he was in his prime (work wise and experience and so on) about 25 years ago. Whether he was seen to be ready to take over by the general public back then is quite another question, which I not being British feel hesitant about answering.

Victoria is entering her prime for real about now and the public (that's my impression) is feeling that she is about ready to take over.

The circumstances in Norway are of course different, due to Mette-Marit's illness and the time needed for preparing Ingrid. There I think it's a matter of having as many working royals around as possible, buying time for Ingrid.

Curryong 09-08-2022 04:06 PM

I think thatís the penalty of having a Queen regnant mother who married, had her first son early and has proved long-lived while her heir gets older. Edward VII was considered an old man by the standards of the times when he came to the throne at nearly sixty, after Victoriaís death. There may be more of these bottlenecks in the future as people live to a great age now normally.

Biri 09-08-2022 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Curryong (Post 2488404)
I think thatís the penalty of having a Queen regnant mother who married, had her first son early and has proved long-lived while her heir gets older. Edward VII was considered an old man by the standards of the times when he came to the throne at nearly sixty, after Victoriaís death. There may be more of these bottlenecks in the future as people live to a great age now normally.

But in case of monarchs also abdication becomes more and more "normal"


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