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Alamak 05-31-2007 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanesa
Exactly. The last Queen of Spain was Isabel II. The problem is that if a boy is born, he will have preminence before Infanta Leonor. For the case, Prince Felipe was the littlest of the family, but because he was a male, he inherited the Crown-Prince title. In other countries, if a girl is born before a boy, she will be the future Queen, as happened with Princess Ingrid Alexandra of Sweden. If Crown Prince Haakon was the Spanish Crwonprince, the heir by now will be Prince Sverre Magnus.

Vanesa.

Ingrid Alexandra's from norway...

gudeeya 05-31-2007 11:11 PM

I wonder if Infanta Sofia will have a second name besides "de Todos los Santos".. I'd assume it be a little weird calling her "Sofia" when the Queen is around.. but who knows.. I'd like to see a second name in there just because.. =)

Vanesa 05-31-2007 11:55 PM

Maybe the Queen has a nickname...or is the little Infantita who would receive one.

Vanesa.

mapian 06-01-2007 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanesa
Maybe the Queen has a nickname...or is the little Infantita who would receive one.

Vanesa.

King Juan Carlos call her wife "Sofi" :flowers: I think they will call Sofía to little infantita.

carlota 06-01-2007 06:34 AM

i would love if sofia had more names than just "de todos los santos". although leonor just has those two, perhaps they add some more for sofia, hopefully! felipe, elena and cristina all have various names. i think elena's children do as well, although just some of cristina's.

Duke of Marmalade 06-01-2007 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gudeeya
I wonder if Infanta Sofia will have a second name besides "de Todos los Santos".. I'd assume it be a little weird calling her "Sofia" when the Queen is around.. but who knows.. I'd like to see a second name in there just because.. =)

Although I think Sofia is a very nice name and that choosing that name is a noble gesture towards the queen, I hope there will be a second name, as it's not only nice but goes with a burden. The girl deserves her own identity.

kez_1982 06-01-2007 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade
Although I think Sofia is a very nice name and that choosing that name is a noble gesture towards the queen, I hope there will be a second name, as it's not only nice but goes with a burden. The girl deserves her own identity.

I don't think there'll be a problem with her just being named Sofía, I bet she'll have her own identity, plus maybe they'll call her "Sofi".:flowers: My point here is that the name doesn't means she won't have her own identity.

ldt20 06-01-2007 08:00 PM

I really like the name Sofia but I personally don't like to repeat names in a family.

I was hoping she would have gotten a name that nobody has now within the family, like Leonor.

Toledo 06-01-2007 10:05 PM

Well, even with one name she will be Sofia de Borbon while the Queen is Sofia de Grecia (using her birth country Greece for last name). So there will be a little diference between Sofia the elder and Sofia the younger.

planetcher 06-01-2007 10:10 PM

If they didn't name her Sofia the press will criticize Letizia for not naming her after the Queen. They didn't like the name Leonor, so of course they blamed Letizia and said that it was her idea.

janos614 06-01-2007 10:27 PM

Well, at least the queen has a namesake! Her sister even had one before her, so it's a nice gesture. I'm from a culture where names aren't repeated, either, but it's a great tribute at the same time.

Vanesa 06-02-2007 01:07 AM

Well in fact your culture DID repeated names. For example, you have a George Bush and a George Bush Jr., the current United States President. I studied some American Genealogy and I find a lot of names repeated in families (for example, you will find a lot of Laura Ingalls in a same family. One of them was the famous writer, but other was a simple housewife and a third one was one of the first American women who has flight a plane! All three were from the same generation). That was in Western tradition (all western countries) to repeat names to honorate a relative (French are renowned by that). It's only that nowadays, traditions are not in fashion at all, and people doesn't tends to christen their children with names that are in their families for centuries but with ones took from movies, rock stars and actors...Happily , some royals follows the old tradition and names their children with the names of their relatives. (Other royals are lacking this tradition...what a pity).

Western traditions has a lot of similarities. One of them is to repeat names. But since our new generations doesn't knows a bit what the traditions of their ancestors were, they believes these traditions never existed...What a GREAT pity. What a world!

Vanesa.

janos614 06-02-2007 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanesa
Well in fact your culture DID repeated names. For example, you have a George Bush and a George Bush Jr., the current United States President. I studied some American Genealogy and I find a lot of names repeated in families (for example, you will find a lot of Laura Ingalls in a same family. One of them was the famous writer, but other was a simple housewife and a third one was one of the first American women who has flight a plane! All three were from the same generation). That was in Western tradition (all western countries) to repeat names to honorate a relative (French are renowned by that). It's only that nowadays, traditions are not in fashion at all, and people doesn't tends to christen their children with names that are in their families for centuries but with ones took from movies, rock stars and actors...Happily , some royals follows the old tradition and names their children with the names of their relatives. (Other royals are lacking this tradition...what a pity).

Western traditions has a lot of similarities. One of them is to repeat names. But since our new generations doesn't knows a bit what the traditions of their ancestors were, they believes these traditions never existed...What a GREAT pity. What a world!

Vanesa.

I'm actually Hindu, sorry for not clarifying. I consider that to be my primary (religious) culture.

Avalon 06-02-2007 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by planetcher
If they didn't name her Sofia the press will criticize Letizia for not naming her after the Queen. They didn't like the name Leonor, so of course they blamed Letizia and said that it was her idea.

I don't think anyone expected Letizia to call her second girl Sofia, most thought it would be a unique name, like Leonor.

However I think it was very nice of Letizia and Felipe to call their daughter after the Queen, :smile:

Duke of Marmalade 06-02-2007 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by planetcher
If they didn't name her Sofia the press will criticize Letizia for not naming her after the Queen. They didn't like the name Leonor, so of course they blamed Letizia and said that it was her idea.

That's so weired. I personally thought Leonor was a very good choice, mainly because it's special. Don't think it's a popular name and I bet there are not too many Leonors around in Spain.

For that reason I did not favour Sofia.

Guess she can't get it right. On the one hand the press was pleased that they chose the queen's name (and stressed that it was mainly Letizia's choice) but on the other hand I read somewhere that Letizia chose the name to curry favour with the queen (I admit it was Yellow Press but nevertheless in the papers).

I wonder if they read or discuss what the papers write about them. Must be very frustrating from time to time.

zaza61 06-02-2007 07:15 AM

I think some spanish people give the same name of parents to their child ! I heard many times "stars" giving the same name as the father or the mother of the child (Laura girl of Laura Ponte.
In the case of Sofia it's only her grandma's name and that doesn't matter they have the same name !
I don't think there isn't trouble for the little girl growing up and makes her oxn personality. She will not be the only llittle girl having the same name than her grand'ma.
More, the name doesn't make the personality ! I'm a teacher and I've got pupils very differents wearing the same name ! I think it's false to say that names influe the personality of a child (except if it's a very strange name, difficult to wear !).

Alamak 06-02-2007 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade
That's so weired. I personally thought Leonor was a very good choice, not only because it's a nice name but also because it's special. Don't think it's a popular name and I bet there are not too many Leonors around in Spain.

For that reason I did not favour Sofia.

Guess she can't get it right. One the one hand the press was pleased that they chose the queen's name (and stressed that it was mainly Letizia's choice) but on the other hand I read somewhere that Letizia chose the name to curry favour with the queen (I admit it was Yellow Press but nevertheless in the papers).

I wonder if they read or discuss what the papers write about them. Must be very frustrating from time to time.

I have a spanish friend. He also says that Leonor isn't a good name for princess...

adelaide 06-02-2007 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade
That's so weired. I personally thought Leonor was a very good choice, not only because it's a nice name but also because it's special. Don't think it's a popular name and I bet there are not too many Leonors around in Spain.

For that reason I did not favour Sofia.

Guess she can't get it right. One the one hand the press was pleased that they chose the queen's name (and stressed that it was mainly Letizia's choice) but on the other hand I read somewhere that Letizia chose the name to curry favour with the queen (I admit it was Yellow Press but nevertheless in the papers).

I wonder if they read or discuss what the papers write about them. Must be very frustrating from time to time.


Leonor is a very beautiful name.
Refined sound, heard the Queen Sofia pronouncing the name Leonor in the video just after her first visit to Letizia and her new born, speaking about the looking of the baby girl.
Refined historical landscape, famous women in the European Realty during the Middle Age, Queen of Navarre, Princess of Austria and so on.
The fact that the name is no very frequent is for me a good point more. I'm sorry for the Jennifer, Vanessa and others Priscilla, charming name but whithout this touch of historic meaning which make a name more delightfull than an other
For Sofia, I'm very found of because this name is very precious. It's an universal and intemporal name which meaning the essential of the world since it is abble to communicate its thaught: the wisdom - I'm not sure it's the good translation of the old greek word sofia-
I can't beleive that the Queen could be impressed by the fact that Letizia had chooze her name to have her favour. It's so ridiculous because the people who think that seem to consider that the Queen and the Princess are totaly superficial and without any intelligency.
Why don't accept the simple fact that it's a beautiful name - absolutly right - and it's to pay hommage to Queen - for the Princes together- What Letizia could hope more from the Queen than she has yet?...:queen2:

acdc1 06-02-2007 10:35 AM

How do you pronounce Leonor? On Wikipedia it says that it is the Spanish version of Eleanor (kind of like Sofia is the Spanish version of Sophie), but I don't know how to pronounce it.

princess leonor 06-02-2007 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Alamak
I have a spanish friend. He also says that Leonor isn't a good name for princess...

I don't understand why. I think Leonor sounds very royal and is very pretty. It's perfect for a princess :wub:


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