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Tosca 10-25-2007 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tara20052 (Post 682933)
If the Italian Government decided that they wanted to put the Italian Monarchy back into power, who would you want to see as the King? the pretender to the thrown Crown Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Naples or his cousin Prince Amedeo of Savoy 5th Duke of Aosta? After all of the bad publicity that Prince Vittorio of Naples has received from the "accidental" killing of Dirk Hamer to allegations of Anti-Semitism. or his cousin the Prince Amedeo who fathered a child out of wedlock? :flowers:

The average Italian do not care a bit about the Savoia family. We're more serious problems to face: unemployment first, then safety and illegal immigration.

Tosca 10-26-2007 09:33 AM

Prince Vittorio Emanuele, Princess Marina and Prince Emanuele Filiberto posing in the Venaria Reale Palace (DIVAeDONNA)

Pic 1 Pic 2

giov 10-26-2007 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tara20052 (Post 682933)
If the Italian Government decided that they wanted to put the Italian Monarchy back into power, who would you want to see as the King? the pretender to the thrown Crown Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Naples or his cousin Prince Amedeo of Savoy 5th Duke of Aosta? After all of the bad publicity that Prince Vittorio of Naples has received from the "accidental" killing of Dirk Hamer to allegations of Anti-Semitism. or his cousin the Prince Amedeo who fathered a child out of wedlock? :flowers:

Neither of them, they are one worse than the other.
Thanks God, they don't have any chance to see the restore of Monarchy in Italy and, as Tosca wrote, the Italians couldn't care less about them and don't know and don't want to know much about them.

zarat 11-01-2007 03:05 PM

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Princess Maria Gabriella of Savoy has recenty participated in presention of book dedicated to italians who emigrated to Crimea during the IIWW.
At the end of text there are few photos with princess.

zarat 11-21-2007 03:55 AM

I Savoia chiedono all'Italia 260 milioni "E' il risarcimento per 54 anni di esilio" - cronaca - Repubblica.it
According to repubblica.it princes VE e EF are asking for 260 000,00 euro from italian state as indemnity for "moral loss" (because of being in exile for 54 years) .

Tosca 11-22-2007 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by giov (Post 684992)
Neither of them, they are one worse than the other.
Thanks God, they don't have any chance to see the restore of Monarchy in Italy and, as Tosca wrote, the Italians couldn't care less about them and don't know and don't want to know much about them.

Very well said, giov! Claiming for damages for being sent into exile, after they handed the Italian people to a dictator, who plunged us into a tremendous war, the consequences of which the world is still taking, is just ridiculous and disgusting.:sick: It must have been hard for them to live in Switzerland for 60 years, poor kids! In case it's the Swiss who should be claiming for damages for having hosted them!:lol:

Tosca 11-29-2007 06:26 AM

Princess Marina with showgirl Alba Parietti at an event. U. Pizzi/dagospia

asma 12-01-2007 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tosca (Post 696311)
Very well said, giov! Claiming for damages for being sent into exile, after they handed the Italian people to a dictator, who plunged us into a tremendous war, the consequences of which the world is still taking, is just ridiculous and disgusting.:sick: It must have been hard for them to live in Switzerland for 60 years, poor kids! In case it's the Swiss who should be claiming for damages for having hosted them!:lol:


It's just my opinion,I dout things said about someone when they are all positives or all negatives.
My country was a monarchy when it became a republic,all things said about the royal family and the last king were all negative and now after 55 years of the republic,another opinion begin to think that the king wasn't that bad and some positive things have appeared about him.

Marengo 12-01-2007 02:33 PM

Apart from that, though King Vittorio Emmanuele certainly wasnīt couragious and didnīt stand up to Mussolini, at that time he certainly didnīt know what Italy was getting itself into, almost nobody did at that time, not even Mussolini himself.

Apart from that the King didnīt exactly hand the country nover as Mussolini and followers took the power themselves. I doubt that they expect the whole sum though, they are probably hoping for a settlement like in the Greek case.

asma 12-01-2007 03:00 PM

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Apart from that the King didnīt exactly hand the country nover as Mussolini and followers took the power themselves. I doubt that they expect the whole sum though, they are probably hoping for a settlement like in the Greek case.
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excuse me,what is the settlement of the Greek case?

Warren 12-02-2007 03:11 AM

After a protracted legal battle King Constantine won compensation from the Greek Government for the confiscation of some of his personal property.

Marengo 12-03-2007 08:02 PM

I believe he donated the money to a good cause afterwards btw.

Anyway, Princess Marie-Gabrielle wrote a rather interesting letter that is published on the savoy-aosta website, you can read the letter here. She doesnīt agree with her brother, to put it mildly...

Tosca 12-04-2007 06:02 AM

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Apart from that the King didnīt exactly hand the country nover as Mussolini and followers took the power themselves. I doubt that they expect the whole sum though, they are probably hoping for a settlement like in the Greek case
The King could have arrested Mussolini, instead of waiting for 20 years later, as he did. So Vittorio Emanuele III was a party in the to the dictatorship. Do not forget that the King also ratified the racial law against the Jews.
What a different behaviour from that of the British and the Dutch Royals!

The current President of the Italian Republic said that Italy won't give a cent to the Savoia family. Mr. Napolitano a native of Naples, when he was younger gave cause for gossip because of his startling resemblance to the late King Umberto II. Berlusconi himself called him ironically "His Majesty"

President Napolitano

asma 12-05-2007 05:13 PM

I'm not saying that Vittorio Emanuele was a saint but any king has positives and negatives,he might have fetal mistakes and deserved exile or even excution but what about king Umberto, his son and grandson?why were they exiled and were not allowed to put a foot on italian land till recently without at least a settlement as Marengo said?Was Mussolini family exiled?!!!!! .I read that his granddaughter was a parliament member.If the Savoys deserved exile,Mussolini family should have been exiled as well.
Another one thing,I find it ridiculous to not allowing King Umberto "last king of italy" to be buried in italy.

zarat 12-07-2007 08:40 AM

Leggi razziali, la comunitā ebraica chiede i danni morali ai Savoia | la tribuna di Treviso

Jewish community from Treviso is going to sue Savoia family for racial law against the Jewish at Mussolini's time.

Warren 12-09-2007 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by zarat (Post 702078)
Jewish community from Treviso is going to sue Savoia family for racial law against the Jewish at Mussolini's time.

This is nonsense. According to the article the law in question was made in 1938; Vittorio Emanuele was 1 year old at the time, Maria Pia was 4, and the other two daughters were unborn. How can a "family" be sued for a law made by a Government?

Tosca 12-09-2007 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by asma (Post 701570)
I'm not saying that Vittorio Emanuele was a saint but any king has positives and negatives,he might have fetal mistakes and deserved exile or even excution but what about king Umberto, his son and grandson?why were they exiled and were not allowed to put a foot on italian land till recently without at least a settlement as Marengo said?Was Mussolini family exiled?!!!!! .I read that his granddaughter was a parliament member.If the Savoys deserved exile,Mussolini family should have been exiled as well.
Another one thing,I find it ridiculous to not allowing King Umberto "last king of italy" to be buried in italy.

I never knew of Vittorio Emanuele doing anything positive in his life, or at least the press never reported of him doing anything positive.
On these days I'm listening to a program aired by an independent radio, that you can listen to only by the sat dish outside the Milan area, reporting on Vittorio Emanuele involved in traffic in arm, with major prelates having covered his illegal activities, which several Italian magistrate's courts are investigating on. BTW he's not affiliate with the mafia, just a professional man!:lol: He shouldn't have come back to Italy, if he wanted to still carry on his activities in a neighbouring country.

However IMO the man isn't a genius, and most of this kind of work must be his manipulative wife's: I saw him interviewed by an Italian tv, where his answer to the interviewer's questions were prompted in French by his wife.

His son is more jovial and an ingenuous guy, that has no fear to mix up with ordinary people. IMO he think people love him, because he's a Prince Charming, but he must be a kind hearted guy despite his parents.

I agree that they are not responsible of what King V. Emanuele III did, but you surently do not know what the situation was back then.
Mussolini was arrested by the King, who signed an armistice with the Allied. Later on Mussolini was freed by the Nazis, and went up North where he established the Republic of Salō, so Italy was split into two countries once again : the Republic in the North, and the Kingdom of the South. This was the start of the civil war from Rome up with the Partisans fighting the Fascist and the Nazis. Perhaps you saw films like "Open City" (Roma cittā aperta) or "Paisā" by Rossellini, "La Ciociara" by De Sica starring Sofia Loren ( who also won the Oscar) and Jean Paul Belmondo. If you didn't, please do, so you will get an idea of what was happening in Italy back then.

According to journalist and historian Indro Montanelli, most of member of the newly established Constituent Assembly didn't really want to get rid of the monarchy ( a part from the Republicans, of course). Even the leader of the Communist Party agreed that little Vittorio Emanuele was educated by eminent democratic tutors, so that he could be the next King without suffering from the influence of the Savoia family. But both the Americans and the Vatican strongly opposed this project. Apparently the Vatican wanted to have their revenge for the Savoia family who had snatched the Papal state, so they urged the Catholic voters to choose the Republic.
The rest is history. Sorry for the long post. Hope it wasn't too boring:lol:

ETA: Mussolini was caught executed by the Partisan while he was fleeing to Switzerland with his mistress. She was shot too.
His youngest son married Sofia Loren's younger sister. So their elder daughter Alessandra is currently a member of the Italian parliament, but she is best know for being Sofia's niece.

giov 12-09-2007 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by asma (Post 699952)
It's just my opinion,I dout things said about someone when they are all positives or all negatives.
My country was a monarchy when it became a republic,all things said about the royal family and the last king were all negative and now after 55 years of the republic,another opinion begin to think that the king wasn't that bad and some positive things have appeared about him.

Please, consider that the reaction of most of the Italians to the request of the Savoia is not due to the fact that Italians hate the Savoia family and the monarchy.
We all consider King Umberto II a gentleman; we admire Princess Mafalda who died in Buchenwald; Prince Amedeo of Savoia Aosta, the uncle of the living Amedeo, is considered a hero; everybody loved Queen Elena, and so on.
We know what they did for our country.
In Italy there are a lot of streets, hospitals, etc. who still have their names and nobody want to change them!
We just don't like Vittorio Emanuele III for his behaviour as a King, the racial laws, etc, and above all we don' t like his grandson Vittorio Emanuele IV for his behaviour. The weapons, the sad episode in Cavallo, his business with strange people, his judgement on the people from Sardinia, and so many things that came out when he was in jail last year. Does anybody remember those phone interceptions?
When the Italian government decided to let them come to Italy, they promised they didn't want any money, but they didn't keep their promises.
So, why are you surpised if the Italians refuse even the idea of giving a penny to this man?
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Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 699962)
I doubt that they expect the whole sum though, they are probably hoping for a settlement like in the Greek case.

Last but not least, only one fifth of the Savoia's properties were confiscated by the Italian Republic.

iceflower 12-10-2007 02:21 AM

Prince Victor Emmanuel de Savoie and his wife Marina attend the
Best Awards 2007 at the Bristol Hotel December 9, 2007 in Paris,
France. (Photos by Henry Duke/WireImage)

** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 **

Tosca 12-10-2007 09:25 AM

Hey giov, wouldn't you really compare Vittorio Emanuele II to his descendants bearing the same name? He, he?

Do you know of the legend surrounding the birth of V. E. II?


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