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Warren 03-28-2007 07:18 AM

Royal House of Savoy current events 2 : March 2007 -
 

Royal House of Savoy

current events part 2, commencing March 2007

Part 1, covering 2002 - March 2007 can be found here

Sancia 03-28-2007 07:47 AM

We are beginning this post with these news:

Vittorio Emanuele has just been released from all charges from the criminal procedure against him in front of the Court of Como (for crimes connected with a gambling house). Now waiting to see wat happens in front of the court of Potenza.
There has been very few coverage about this releasing in Italy while all the medias were covering about "the king of Italy sent to jail".

Tosca 03-28-2007 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danielane
We are beginning this post with these news:

Vittorio Emanuele has just been released from all charges from the criminal procedure against him in front of the Court of Como (for crimes connected with a gambling house). Now waiting to see wat happens in front of the court of Potenza.
There has been very few coverage about this releasing in Italy while all the medias were covering about "the king of Italy sent to jail".

Trust me, everything will come to nothing in Potenza, since the Prime Minister's spokesman was caught by a photographer whilst appraoching a transexual on a summer night last year.
One mag, belonging to RCS group, whose board is close to the current government payed a huge sum of money to make those pics disappear. But they surfaced again, and later a newspaper owned by the Berlusconi family mentioned the politician's name, but was prohibited to publish any photos, hence the scandal.

The average Italians do not care a bit if Vittorio Emanuele is proved guilty or not. The spokesman thing sounds more ingtriguing to them.;) :smile:

Marengo 03-28-2007 01:35 PM

Well, it sounds terribly interesting indeed, and rather embarrasing for the poor man! But how does this relate to VE's case?

Tosca 03-29-2007 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo
Well, it sounds terribly interesting indeed, and rather embarrasing for the poor man! But how does this relate to VE's case?

Well, the prosecutor tapping VE's phone also overheard a "paparazzo" tell his boss that he had a scoop, and they will have grown rich either by selling those photos to a mag (CHI and Novella, though refused to buy them, as there was a top politician involved) or by blackmailing this man. Needles to say that Fabrizio Corona the owner ( whose wife is Croatian model Nina Moric) of the photo agency has been arrested, and the photographer, along with other colleaugues of his, is been inquired into having actors, actresses, showgilrs, sportmen and even some politicians pay huge sums of money to stop their "compromising " pictures appearing in the press. An associate of Corona is also being accused of having forced some showgirls and starlets into prostitution.

The spokesman's pictures were published a few days ago. Actually there's nothing outrageous in them, as all you can see is the man letting his car windoew down and talk to the transexual. He might as well have asked for directions, after all his not from Rome....;)

asma 03-30-2007 06:09 PM

Quote:

Vittorio Emanuele has just been released from all charges from the criminal procedure against him in front of the Court of Como (for crimes connected with a gambling house). Now waiting to see wat happens in front of the court of Potenza.
There has been very few coverage about this releasing in Italy while all the medias were covering about "the king of Italy sent to jail".

poorman,from the beginning of this issue,I had the feeling that VE isn't guilty.I just couldn't imagine why a richman would make this adventure that will destroy his family reputation.

Tosca 03-31-2007 11:08 AM

The Talent agent Lele Mora, who's been arested for sending aspring showgirls into prostitution, traffic in drugs and sexual harassment, was also VE's pr.
This explains the reason the Prince of Piedmont was investigated and then arrested.
I've always though VE isn't that smart to be a "gangster".

zarat 04-14-2007 07:02 AM

For everybody interested in rules regarding marriages in Royal House of Savoy I can recommend this link:

https://www.realcasadisavoia.org/file...trimoni_en.pdf

latin 05-02-2007 04:50 AM

Succession to the Italian Throne
 
What do you think about the debate concerning the succession of the Savoy Royal House?

zarat 05-02-2007 07:43 AM

Well, should discussion concerns a country with reigning monarch it could be a very embarrasing but because Italy is not a monarchy it's seems to be only a rivalry between different membrs of the same family- eventually it's only a bit embarrasing....
And it give people something to talk about ....

Tosca 05-02-2007 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latin
What do you think about the debate concerning the succession of the Savoy Royal House?

A waist of time and money, but that's their own business, as the average Italians do not care a bit about them.;)

zarat 07-30-2007 09:32 AM

Tandem - Online magazine
The reopening of Royal Palace at Venaria which will host the exibition with object related to Savoy family.

zarat 09-23-2007 12:19 PM

After this summer the website Casa Reale d'Italia was finally updated and also there are new sections (or I didn't saw it before....). The home page presents letter commemorating the 103 anniversary of birth of king Umberto II.
In section called "Press information" there's part dedicated to oficial dementi. IMO it was more than necessary due to the fact that often italian press "misunderstands" the real meaning of interview released by prince Emanuele or Vittorio. The most clamorous was interview for "Donna e Diva" in which prince Emanuele described himself as "republican" .

Tosca 09-28-2007 12:33 PM

A couple of pics of Elisabeth de Balkany, daughter of Princess Maria Gabriella can be viewed @

Olycom

dazzling 10-16-2007 12:00 PM

Members of Savoy dynasty attend opening of Turin’s own Versailles
16 OCTOBER 2007

Italy's equivalent of the Palace of Versailles has been opened to the public after an eight-year-long, £140-million restoration project. The Royal Palace of Venaria in Turin, which - article & pictures

Picture from reuters via yahoo news
Prince Emanuele Filiberto di Savoia poses for photographers (a great view of the palace)

Wonderful pictures of inside/outside the palace & of the family - isifa gallery
The palace looks magnificent, id love to see it one day. I also loved the room with all the large paintings, especially the wall of that room, stone, lovely.

Tosca 10-17-2007 09:53 AM

There was a short coverage about the Venaria reopening on the state-run tv the other day. They interviewed both Aimone, the Duke of Apulia and Emanuele Filiberto, of course separately, because the Savoia and the Aosta don't talk to each other. However Emanuele Filiberto said he still has great respect for Prince Amedeo he calls "my uncle".

dazzling 10-17-2007 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosca (Post 681194)
There was a short coverage about the Venaria reopening on the state-run tv the other day. They interviewed both Aimone, the Duke of Apulia and Emanuele Filiberto, of course separately, because the Savoia and the Aosta don't talk to each other. However Emanuele Filiberto said he still has great respect for Prince Amedeo he calls "my uncle".

I think thats really nice that even if there is some tension in the family there is some respect. any idea why his wife wasnt present?

Tosca 10-18-2007 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dazzling (Post 681356)
I think thats really nice that even if there is some tension in the family there is some respect. any idea why his wife wasnt present?

I saw Prince Vittorio Emanuele and his wife Princess Marina, but didn't see Princess Clotilde at all.

Tara20052 10-22-2007 04:22 AM

Italian Government
 
If the Italian Government decided that they wanted to put the Italian Monarchy back into power, who would you want to see as the King? the pretender to the thrown Crown Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Naples or his cousin Prince Amedeo of Savoy 5th Duke of Aosta? After all of the bad publicity that Prince Vittorio of Naples has received from the "accidental" killing of Dirk Hamer to allegations of Anti-Semitism. or his cousin the Prince Amedeo who fathered a child out of wedlock? :flowers:

Tosca 10-25-2007 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tara20052 (Post 682933)
If the Italian Government decided that they wanted to put the Italian Monarchy back into power, who would you want to see as the King? the pretender to the thrown Crown Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Naples or his cousin Prince Amedeo of Savoy 5th Duke of Aosta? After all of the bad publicity that Prince Vittorio of Naples has received from the "accidental" killing of Dirk Hamer to allegations of Anti-Semitism. or his cousin the Prince Amedeo who fathered a child out of wedlock? :flowers:

The average Italian do not care a bit of the Savoia family.

Tosca 10-25-2007 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tara20052 (Post 682933)
If the Italian Government decided that they wanted to put the Italian Monarchy back into power, who would you want to see as the King? the pretender to the thrown Crown Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Naples or his cousin Prince Amedeo of Savoy 5th Duke of Aosta? After all of the bad publicity that Prince Vittorio of Naples has received from the "accidental" killing of Dirk Hamer to allegations of Anti-Semitism. or his cousin the Prince Amedeo who fathered a child out of wedlock? :flowers:

The average Italian do not care a bit about the Savoia family. We're more serious problems to face: unemployment first, then safety and illegal immigration.

Tosca 10-26-2007 09:33 AM

Prince Vittorio Emanuele, Princess Marina and Prince Emanuele Filiberto posing in the Venaria Reale Palace (DIVAeDONNA)

Pic 1 Pic 2

giov 10-26-2007 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tara20052 (Post 682933)
If the Italian Government decided that they wanted to put the Italian Monarchy back into power, who would you want to see as the King? the pretender to the thrown Crown Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Naples or his cousin Prince Amedeo of Savoy 5th Duke of Aosta? After all of the bad publicity that Prince Vittorio of Naples has received from the "accidental" killing of Dirk Hamer to allegations of Anti-Semitism. or his cousin the Prince Amedeo who fathered a child out of wedlock? :flowers:

Neither of them, they are one worse than the other.
Thanks God, they don't have any chance to see the restore of Monarchy in Italy and, as Tosca wrote, the Italians couldn't care less about them and don't know and don't want to know much about them.

zarat 11-01-2007 03:05 PM

Crimea20070929tris

Princess Maria Gabriella of Savoy has recenty participated in presention of book dedicated to italians who emigrated to Crimea during the IIWW.
At the end of text there are few photos with princess.

zarat 11-21-2007 03:55 AM

I Savoia chiedono all'Italia 260 milioni "E' il risarcimento per 54 anni di esilio" - cronaca - Repubblica.it
According to repubblica.it princes VE e EF are asking for 260 000,00 euro from italian state as indemnity for "moral loss" (because of being in exile for 54 years) .

Tosca 11-22-2007 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giov (Post 684992)
Neither of them, they are one worse than the other.
Thanks God, they don't have any chance to see the restore of Monarchy in Italy and, as Tosca wrote, the Italians couldn't care less about them and don't know and don't want to know much about them.

Very well said, giov! Claiming for damages for being sent into exile, after they handed the Italian people to a dictator, who plunged us into a tremendous war, the consequences of which the world is still taking, is just ridiculous and disgusting.:sick: It must have been hard for them to live in Switzerland for 60 years, poor kids! In case it's the Swiss who should be claiming for damages for having hosted them!:lol:

Tosca 11-29-2007 06:26 AM

Princess Marina with showgirl Alba Parietti at an event. U. Pizzi/dagospia

asma 12-01-2007 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosca (Post 696311)
Very well said, giov! Claiming for damages for being sent into exile, after they handed the Italian people to a dictator, who plunged us into a tremendous war, the consequences of which the world is still taking, is just ridiculous and disgusting.:sick: It must have been hard for them to live in Switzerland for 60 years, poor kids! In case it's the Swiss who should be claiming for damages for having hosted them!:lol:


It's just my opinion,I dout things said about someone when they are all positives or all negatives.
My country was a monarchy when it became a republic,all things said about the royal family and the last king were all negative and now after 55 years of the republic,another opinion begin to think that the king wasn't that bad and some positive things have appeared about him.

Marengo 12-01-2007 02:33 PM

Apart from that, though King Vittorio Emmanuele certainly wasn´t couragious and didn´t stand up to Mussolini, at that time he certainly didn´t know what Italy was getting itself into, almost nobody did at that time, not even Mussolini himself.

Apart from that the King didn´t exactly hand the country nover as Mussolini and followers took the power themselves. I doubt that they expect the whole sum though, they are probably hoping for a settlement like in the Greek case.

asma 12-01-2007 03:00 PM

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Apart from that the King didn´t exactly hand the country nover as Mussolini and followers took the power themselves. I doubt that they expect the whole sum though, they are probably hoping for a settlement like in the Greek case.
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excuse me,what is the settlement of the Greek case?

Warren 12-02-2007 03:11 AM

After a protracted legal battle King Constantine won compensation from the Greek Government for the confiscation of some of his personal property.

Marengo 12-03-2007 08:02 PM

I believe he donated the money to a good cause afterwards btw.

Anyway, Princess Marie-Gabrielle wrote a rather interesting letter that is published on the savoy-aosta website, you can read the letter here. She doesn´t agree with her brother, to put it mildly...

Tosca 12-04-2007 06:02 AM

Quote:

Apart from that the King didn´t exactly hand the country nover as Mussolini and followers took the power themselves. I doubt that they expect the whole sum though, they are probably hoping for a settlement like in the Greek case
The King could have arrested Mussolini, instead of waiting for 20 years later, as he did. So Vittorio Emanuele III was a party in the to the dictatorship. Do not forget that the King also ratified the racial law against the Jews.
What a different behaviour from that of the British and the Dutch Royals!

The current President of the Italian Republic said that Italy won't give a cent to the Savoia family. Mr. Napolitano a native of Naples, when he was younger gave cause for gossip because of his startling resemblance to the late King Umberto II. Berlusconi himself called him ironically "His Majesty"

President Napolitano

asma 12-05-2007 05:13 PM

I'm not saying that Vittorio Emanuele was a saint but any king has positives and negatives,he might have fetal mistakes and deserved exile or even excution but what about king Umberto, his son and grandson?why were they exiled and were not allowed to put a foot on italian land till recently without at least a settlement as Marengo said?Was Mussolini family exiled?!!!!! .I read that his granddaughter was a parliament member.If the Savoys deserved exile,Mussolini family should have been exiled as well.
Another one thing,I find it ridiculous to not allowing King Umberto "last king of italy" to be buried in italy.

zarat 12-07-2007 08:40 AM

Leggi razziali, la comunità ebraica chiede i danni morali ai Savoia | la tribuna di Treviso

Jewish community from Treviso is going to sue Savoia family for racial law against the Jewish at Mussolini's time.

Warren 12-09-2007 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zarat (Post 702078)
Jewish community from Treviso is going to sue Savoia family for racial law against the Jewish at Mussolini's time.

This is nonsense. According to the article the law in question was made in 1938; Vittorio Emanuele was 1 year old at the time, Maria Pia was 4, and the other two daughters were unborn. How can a "family" be sued for a law made by a Government?

Tosca 12-09-2007 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asma (Post 701570)
I'm not saying that Vittorio Emanuele was a saint but any king has positives and negatives,he might have fetal mistakes and deserved exile or even excution but what about king Umberto, his son and grandson?why were they exiled and were not allowed to put a foot on italian land till recently without at least a settlement as Marengo said?Was Mussolini family exiled?!!!!! .I read that his granddaughter was a parliament member.If the Savoys deserved exile,Mussolini family should have been exiled as well.
Another one thing,I find it ridiculous to not allowing King Umberto "last king of italy" to be buried in italy.

I never knew of Vittorio Emanuele doing anything positive in his life, or at least the press never reported of him doing anything positive.
On these days I'm listening to a program aired by an independent radio, that you can listen to only by the sat dish outside the Milan area, reporting on Vittorio Emanuele involved in traffic in arm, with major prelates having covered his illegal activities, which several Italian magistrate's courts are investigating on. BTW he's not affiliate with the mafia, just a professional man!:lol: He shouldn't have come back to Italy, if he wanted to still carry on his activities in a neighbouring country.

However IMO the man isn't a genius, and most of this kind of work must be his manipulative wife's: I saw him interviewed by an Italian tv, where his answer to the interviewer's questions were prompted in French by his wife.

His son is more jovial and an ingenuous guy, that has no fear to mix up with ordinary people. IMO he think people love him, because he's a Prince Charming, but he must be a kind hearted guy despite his parents.

I agree that they are not responsible of what King V. Emanuele III did, but you surently do not know what the situation was back then.
Mussolini was arrested by the King, who signed an armistice with the Allied. Later on Mussolini was freed by the Nazis, and went up North where he established the Republic of Salò, so Italy was split into two countries once again : the Republic in the North, and the Kingdom of the South. This was the start of the civil war from Rome up with the Partisans fighting the Fascist and the Nazis. Perhaps you saw films like "Open City" (Roma città aperta) or "Paisà" by Rossellini, "La Ciociara" by De Sica starring Sofia Loren ( who also won the Oscar) and Jean Paul Belmondo. If you didn't, please do, so you will get an idea of what was happening in Italy back then.

According to journalist and historian Indro Montanelli, most of member of the newly established Constituent Assembly didn't really want to get rid of the monarchy ( a part from the Republicans, of course). Even the leader of the Communist Party agreed that little Vittorio Emanuele was educated by eminent democratic tutors, so that he could be the next King without suffering from the influence of the Savoia family. But both the Americans and the Vatican strongly opposed this project. Apparently the Vatican wanted to have their revenge for the Savoia family who had snatched the Papal state, so they urged the Catholic voters to choose the Republic.
The rest is history. Sorry for the long post. Hope it wasn't too boring:lol:

ETA: Mussolini was caught executed by the Partisan while he was fleeing to Switzerland with his mistress. She was shot too.
His youngest son married Sofia Loren's younger sister. So their elder daughter Alessandra is currently a member of the Italian parliament, but she is best know for being Sofia's niece.

giov 12-09-2007 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asma (Post 699952)
It's just my opinion,I dout things said about someone when they are all positives or all negatives.
My country was a monarchy when it became a republic,all things said about the royal family and the last king were all negative and now after 55 years of the republic,another opinion begin to think that the king wasn't that bad and some positive things have appeared about him.

Please, consider that the reaction of most of the Italians to the request of the Savoia is not due to the fact that Italians hate the Savoia family and the monarchy.
We all consider King Umberto II a gentleman; we admire Princess Mafalda who died in Buchenwald; Prince Amedeo of Savoia Aosta, the uncle of the living Amedeo, is considered a hero; everybody loved Queen Elena, and so on.
We know what they did for our country.
In Italy there are a lot of streets, hospitals, etc. who still have their names and nobody want to change them!
We just don't like Vittorio Emanuele III for his behaviour as a King, the racial laws, etc, and above all we don' t like his grandson Vittorio Emanuele IV for his behaviour. The weapons, the sad episode in Cavallo, his business with strange people, his judgement on the people from Sardinia, and so many things that came out when he was in jail last year. Does anybody remember those phone interceptions?
When the Italian government decided to let them come to Italy, they promised they didn't want any money, but they didn't keep their promises.
So, why are you surpised if the Italians refuse even the idea of giving a penny to this man?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 699962)
I doubt that they expect the whole sum though, they are probably hoping for a settlement like in the Greek case.

Last but not least, only one fifth of the Savoia's properties were confiscated by the Italian Republic.

iceflower 12-10-2007 02:21 AM

Prince Victor Emmanuel de Savoie and his wife Marina attend the
Best Awards 2007 at the Bristol Hotel December 9, 2007 in Paris,
France. (Photos by Henry Duke/WireImage)

** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 **

Tosca 12-10-2007 09:25 AM

Hey giov, wouldn't you really compare Vittorio Emanuele II to his descendants bearing the same name? He, he?

Do you know of the legend surrounding the birth of V. E. II?

giov 12-10-2007 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosca (Post 703136)
Hey giov, wouldn't you really compare Vittorio Emanuele II to his descendants bearing the same name? He, he?

Do you know of the legend surrounding the birth of V. E. II?

I didn't even name him, Tosca! :flowers:
I just named my favourite Savoias!:flowers:

asma 12-17-2007 04:22 PM

Quote:

Sorry for the long post. Hope it wasn't too boring

actualy,I enjoyed your post alot. thanks for these precious informations.

BTW,what is the legend surrounding the birth of V.E the second ?

Tosca 12-21-2007 10:14 AM

Last night I was watching the daily satirical TV show on one of the Mediaset channel, so I went to visit their website, where they host the video clips shown the night before. This one is about Prince Emanuele Filiberto being interviewed for the state run TV. It shows that the interview has been manipulated, but at the same time they're joking on Emanuele Filiberto's bent for wine:

Video Mediaset.it

The second one shows the prince of Venice interviewed by my fellow citizen, comedian Carlo Ghiozzi that takes a mickey out of him about the recent request of the Savoia family. Please notice the last part of the video: when asked if he's willing to apologize on behalf of his family about the racial laws his grand father signed, Vittorio Emanuele appeared to be confused. Look how quickly his wife Marina prompted him, talking to him in French: "But we did apologize for the past!" I guess she's the one that "wears the trousers" in that family!

Video Mediaset.it

Tosca 01-21-2008 10:10 AM

Princess Maria Gabriella was the patroness at the ceremony of the "Golden Pens Awards", that took place in Sanremo on Jan. 19th (from sanremo news)

https://aycu39.webshots.com/image/42798/2001052673358759713_rs.jpg

https://aycu31.webshots.com/image/421...1882348_rs.jpg

https://aycu20.webshots.com/image/425...8992380_rs.jpg

iceflower 02-29-2008 04:25 PM

Prince Vittorio Emanuele from Savoy, his wife Marina Doria and his son
Prince Emanuele participate in a memorial service for the 100th birthday
of the Polish-French artist Balthus, in Rossiniere, Switzerland, 29 February
2008. Balthus was born 29 February 1908 in Paris as Balthazar Klossowski
and died 18 February 2001 at the Grand Chalet de Rossiniere.

** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** Pic 3 **

christinacg 04-16-2008 12:03 AM

Found something rare...a new pic of Maria Pia!
https://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6...isavoiawt5.jpg
patrick mcmullen

Its from mid March at the The Palm Beach Preservation Ball, and she's pictures with Lord Charles Spencer Churchill.

zarat 08-17-2008 08:03 AM

Casa Reale d'Italia

I don't know since what time it already exists but there's a new "family group photo" in website of Savoia.

zarat 08-17-2008 08:11 AM

La Venaria Reale - Mostre ed eventi

The palace Venaria Reale presents the exibition dedicated to coats worn by Queen Maria Jose'. The exibition started the 1 june and it will finished the 3 november 2008.
One of these coats was used durnig the baptism of Maria Pia and Vittorio Emanuele.

Tosca 09-17-2008 07:38 AM

Princess Maria Pia di Savoia and her second husband Michele of Bourbon-Parma attending the wedding of Cornelia Brandolini d'Adda in Paris.

DIVAeDONNA

MAfan 09-17-2008 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tosca (Post 824781)
Princess Maria Pia di Savoia and her second husband Michele of Bourbon-Parma attending the wedding of Cornelia Brandolini d'Adda in Paris.

DIVAeDONNA

where do they live? in paris?

giov 09-17-2008 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 824822)
where do they live? in paris?

Yes, they live in Paris, as far as I know.

MAfan 09-23-2008 11:15 AM

I'm sorry, but VE is not the Head of the Family, due to his wedding; Family Laws and Statuto Albertino are clear in this connection. Amedeo is the Head of the Family, since March 18, 1983.
Don't you think we can return to have the Monarchy in the future? I hope so...with Amedeo & Aimone

Count 09-23-2008 11:40 AM

Dear Mafan, many years ago an important Monarchist association asked me an opinion about the whole thing. I wrote my report, it was also published on some magazines. The result of my analysis was clear: VE lost his rights due to his wedding with a commoner, Mrs Marina Ricolfi-Doria, and for other reasons.
But nowadays there is not a "superior power", who can say "the new Head of the House is Amedeo". There are only parties like Unione Monarchica, Consulta dei Senatori del Regno, Alleanza Monarchica, etc, who support the one o the other pretender, but they have no legal power...
At the very end: cui prodest all this? Nobody, it is only a game that involves "small potentates".
To be "Head of the House" means have the power to give decorations (=money, a lot of money...). This is what VE and many of the pretenders to different thrones do...

The different supporters at the highest level, want only to have an appointment in the "Royal Household".
I think a Monarchy can give stability to a country, but I do not think Italy will have one in the future...
I am a Monarchist, who knows our "Monarchs", this is why I wrote you this answer.

MAfan 09-23-2008 11:57 AM

Thank you, Count. I agree with you when you say that a Monarchy can give stability to a country, and, living in Italy, I hope Monarchy will return as soon as possible. Only for that reason I say that Amedeo is the Head of the Family, because I hope that when this day will arrive Italians will know the real status of people who call themselves "Prince" (read: VE and EF) but are not so.

asma 09-24-2008 12:38 AM

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Don't you think we can return to have the Monarchy in the future? I hope so...with Amedeo & Aimone
At my beginning in this forum [nearly at 2004],I asked this question and the answer from italians at the forum was that most of the italian people don't care about savoy RF nor follow their news nor thinking about the return of the monarchy but now,I think there is a change as some italians begin to think of the return of the monarchy which wasn't all bad.

lucien 09-24-2008 03:32 AM

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at my beginning in this forum [nearly at 2004],I asked this question and the answer from italians at the forum was that most of the italian people don't care about savoy RF nor follow their news nor thinking about the return of the monarchy but now,I think there is a change as some italians begin to think of the return of the monarchy which wasn't all bad.
Italy a Monarchy again?Not likely,even less so then seeing pigs fly.
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Originally Posted by lucien (Post 827120)
Rain?On Patmos?In september?Never!It will be gorgious blue sky and a blistering sun as always that time of year:sun::star:

OK OK,sooner or later reality bites one in the behind to proof one is wrong.
Unfortunately,the weather in Greece at present is just downpour after downpour.
Hope that either the Gods on the Olympic,or/and St.John have mercy on Aimone and Olga this saturday.:ermm:

(St.John lived there after his flight from the Holy Land and wrote his Book of Revelations there,on beautifull Patmos.
The Island is a (happy & sunny usually) shrine almost,to the Greek Orthodox and all of the Christian Faiths).

Tosca 09-24-2008 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 827521)
a Monarchy can give stability to a country

By installing another dictator?

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucien (Post 827899)
at my beginning in this forum [nearly at 2004],I asked this question and the answer from italians at the forum was that most of the italian people don't care about savoy RF nor follow their news nor thinking about the return of the monarchy but now,I think there is a change as some italians begin to think of the return of the monarchy which wasn't all bad.

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Italy a Monarchy again?Not likely,even less so then seeing pigs fly.
Again, that's the average Italians think: they don't care much about the Savoy Family. Proof of this is that in Italy the British Royals and the Grimaldi are by far more popular than the Savoys are.

latin 09-27-2008 02:51 PM

The Savoy Dinasty is not very popular in Italy but Prince Amedeo is quite respected and invited to different important events.Unfortunately Prince Aimone is not very known by the Italians.

iceflower 10-02-2008 04:01 PM

Pics 1.10.2008
 
Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Savoy and wife Princess Marina
Doria of Savoy with friends in Milan, Italy -01/10/2008

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Warren 10-13-2008 03:51 AM

Note to members

The Italian subforum will not be used as a propaganda vehicle to advance the claims of one side of the Savoy family over the other.
The slew of posts made today across various threads pushing such an agenda have been removed.

Warren
TRF Administrator

latin 10-13-2008 11:43 AM

Here we can post about the activities of the members of the Savoy Royal Family.
So why the posts about HRH Prince Amedeo, Duke of Savoy, can't be put here?He is the Head of the Italian Royal Family and (for those who don't recognize this) he is anyhow a male member of the Italian Royal Family.
If we are really neutral in this controversial issue ( about the headship of the Savoy Royal Family) we can't put here only news about Vittorio-Emanuele and his wife.

Warren 10-14-2008 03:16 AM

It's quite simple. Amedeo and the Aosta family have their own thread, here, Aimone and Olga have their own thread, here, and the thread to discuss the conflict between the two branches of the House of Savoy is here.

Therefore there is no need to post Aosta-related material anywhere else.

To repeat: this forum will NOT be used as an arena for members to push personal agendas or as a battleground in which to wage campaigns.

Warren
TRF Administrator

giov 10-17-2008 10:11 AM

Pics from Olycom
Princess Beatice of Savoy having lunch with a friend in Fregene (seaside resort near Rome), 11 10 2008.

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Odette 10-17-2008 10:19 AM

Thanks Giov. She looks good. I remember when her son had that accident and fell to his death from his dorm at Boston University. Terrible tragedy.
Has she left Mexico? I have not had a chance to read anything about her in recent years.

giov 10-17-2008 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Odette (Post 838840)
Thanks Giov. She looks good. I remember when her son had that accident and fell to his death from his dorm at Boston University. Terrible tragedy.
Has she left Mexico? I have not had a chance to read anything about her in recent years.

You are welcome, Odette!:flowers:
Beatrice doesn't live in Mexico anymore, since her divorce, many years ago. I don't know where she exactly lives now, but I know she is often in Italy. Probably she lives here,....I don't know!

Tosca 10-17-2008 10:49 AM

I saw her in Rome airport some time ago, and she was accompanied by the same man sitting next to her.
BTW she looks more beautiful in person than in pics. I can help noticing that she's grown very resemblant with singer Ornella Vanoni...

Odette 10-17-2008 03:03 PM

Giov Tosca. I remember she had another child, a daughter who was married sometime ago. This lady has sufferred a lot. I did not even know she was divorced.
Tosca is Alitalia still in business???:whistling:

Tosca 10-18-2008 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Odette (Post 838947)
Giov Tosca. I remember she had another child, a daughter who was married sometime ago. This lady has sufferred a lot. I did not even know she was divorced.
Tosca is Alitalia still in business???:whistling:

Titti (M. Beatrice) has also a daughter named Asaea Reyna di Savoia, who married and divorced her husband shortly after. Asaea has a dughter named Maria José. I posted some pics of Titti, her daugther and grand daughter in a previous thread.

This not an Alitalia thread. Kids, read the rules, please!

iceflower 12-02-2008 12:24 PM

Pics 1.12.2008
 
Prince Victor Emmanuele de Savoie and Princess Marina de Savoie
attend 'The Best' Awards 2008 at the Bristol Hotel on December 01,
2008 in Paris, France

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Tosca 12-03-2008 09:59 AM

Well, Massimo Gargia, the inventor of the "Best" award is a very good friend of the "august" couple.;)

maria-olivia 02-02-2009 10:57 AM

I never understood why Marina Doria VE's wife did not divorce ? Perhaps she liked to be a RH ?

MAfan 02-02-2009 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 887713)
I never understood why Marina Doria VE's wife did not divorce ? Perhaps she liked to be a RH ?

Without Marina the three would not be the same...she is essential...rather, why Clotilde doesn't divorce...but I don't know her, she is the only one to be silent when the other three talk off the point (every time they talk).

maria-olivia 02-02-2009 11:34 AM

Is she essential because she has the money ?

MAfan 02-02-2009 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia (Post 887733)
Is she essential because she has the money ?

According to Princess Maria Gabriella, Marina is a woman very fond of money, because she comes from a family of bankrupted entrepreneurs.
"Marina Doria, specialmente, è una donna assai attaccata ai soldi, in quanto proviene da una famiglia di imprenditori falliti." (reported in Wikipedia, Maria Gabriella di Savoia)

MAfan 02-09-2009 08:50 AM

After the Dancing Prince, we are going to have the Farmer Prince: maybe VE will attend the reality show "La Fattoria" (The Farm)...

Un "re" alla Fattoria - televisione -Tgcom - pagina 1

Tosca 02-10-2009 09:35 AM

It will be interesting to watch how he will be dealing with such a live wire Marquise Marina Ripa di Meana is!!! :biggrin: She could care less if he is a Prince or not, and is very capable of sending him.... somewhere else!!!;)

iceflower 06-08-2009 04:31 PM

Pics 7.6.2009
 
Prince Victor Emmanuele of Savoy, Princess Marina of Savoy
and son Prince Emanuele at an event in Turin, Italy, June 7,
2009. It's been the opening of something and took place on
the European election day, but that's all I know, I'm sorry :smile:


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Tosca 06-09-2009 10:14 AM

Thanks Iceflower!
It was the opening of the Turin's World Air Games.;)

giov 06-26-2009 03:40 PM

Princess Beatrice of Savoy at Coco Gaetani d'Aragona's birthday party in Rome, last night.
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Pics by Umberto Pizzi/Dagospia

maria-olivia 06-26-2009 04:06 PM

Strange Princess, her husband died in a strange way and her son commit suicide.
I prefer much more her sisters Maria Pia and Marie Gabriella.
I like pic n° 4

Alberto2244 06-26-2009 04:37 PM

She´s "strange" not because her son commited suicide or her EX-husband was murdered in odd circunstances. But because SHE herself tried to commit suicide in order to get married to a man she abandoned later. Queen Maria José said she was "nuts".
She gave much head ache to her father until she got married pregnant (in 1970!!) in Mexico far from her parents

iceflower 07-23-2009 05:45 AM

Pics 21.7.2009
 
Prince Victor Emmanuele of Savoy and Princess Marina
of Savoy enjoying some summer holidays at the island
Corsica, France, July 21, 2009


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MAfan 07-24-2009 05:20 PM

HRH Princess Maria Gabriella attended the italian tv-show "Enigma", talking about her mother, the late Queen Maria Josè of Italy.
Rai.it - Rai Tre

maria-olivia 07-24-2009 05:34 PM

MAfan , she speaks about her mother but sold her jewelry on an auction..after writing a book about the Savoy jewelry.
Strange she was the godmother of Prince Umberto and was not there ..
Princess Claude de France , Aymon's mother was not there too

MAfan 07-27-2009 08:05 AM

Yes, Maria Olivia, she talks about her mother but she has sold her jewelry: but I guess this was a decision taken with her sister and her brother; and considerig the bad relations between the three sister and their brother (and his wife), I'm not surprised that they have decided to sell her jewelry. A similar decision is easyer then to divide the jewels between them...(Who knows? To avoid to see these jewels worn by Marina? Maybe...but this is only a bad speculation of mine)
About the christening of Umberto, I've been surprised too from the absence of Maria Gabriella and, most of all, of Claude...but, (another speculation) it is said that the relations between the two Families (Savoy and Orleans) are or were quite bad, nobody of the Orleans except Claude attended the wedding of Olga and Aimone, despite of they are close relatives both of Aimone and Olga.
And more, Claude now is a divorced woman, and the christening was a Catholic one, and we know the position of the Catholic Church about divorced people...

MAfan 07-27-2009 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAfan (Post 970387)
HRH Princess Maria Gabriella attended the italian tv-show "Enigma", talking about her mother, the late Queen Maria Josè of Italy.
Rai.it - Rai Tre

Rai.TV - Enigma - Maria José, l'ultima regina
Here is the video of the show; only the first half (55 min. ca) is about Queen Maria Josè, with Princess Maria Gabriella.
The video is in Italian.

maria-olivia 07-27-2009 12:31 PM

MAfan , about speculations it must have been something between Michel of Greece and the Orléans. Claude , altough she married 3 times was at the Duke of Vendome's wedding.

Tosca 08-04-2009 10:28 AM

There are pictures of Pr. Vittorio Emanuele and his wife P.ss Marina cruising off Sardinia on a yacht on this week's issue of Dipiù mag.
The article has topless pictures of Marina, which aren't absolutely a great sight. I mean razzis should be respectful to a woman in her '70s!:rolleyes::whistling:

rominet09 08-04-2009 10:41 AM

I agree with you about the lack of respect of a lady in her 70's BUT is it really sensible to go topless when you know the paparazzi are interested in you ?

MAfan 09-23-2009 02:22 PM

Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia will be put on trial, accused of having took part in criminal organisation and corruption. He was arrested after the investigations in June 2006 (I know, here in Italy we have a very slow Justice...)
Here is an article fron Italian newspaper "Corriere della Sera":
Potenza, Vittorio Emanuele rinviato a giudizio per associazione a delinquere - Corriere della Sera

Here is the thread about the investigations and his arrest:
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...-a-7827-3.html

queenofthelight 09-25-2009 12:47 PM

Prince Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia with his wife, Princess Marina while doing the shopping in Milan (23/09/2009).:smile:

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maria-olivia 09-25-2009 01:49 PM

MaFan , What sort of person is Marina de Savoie/Doria ??
Why did VE marry her ??

MAfan 09-25-2009 06:11 PM

Good question, Maria Olivia.
Once her sister in law Princess Maria Gabriella described her as "a woman very fond of money, because of she comes from a family of failed enterpreneurs"; she added also that in her opinion Marina and Emanuele Filiberto "should have done more for Vittorio Emanuele"; she also told that he is very ingenuous, and surrounded by a lot of people whose suggestions he always follows.
Surely Maria Gabriella is a "first-hand" source, but...it is known that she never liked Marina.
My opinion on her and her husband is that he is a very frail man, and that she uses to lead him; I've seen an interview with him, where she suggested him the answers in French and he repeated in Italian what Marina told him...this fact confirms what Maria Gabriella told about him.
She surely is very intelligent, and determinate to have what she wants; they met, they fell in love and married after a very long (16 years) engagement. She wanted to become a princess, and somehow she has obtained it; at least, she feels to be a princess, but when I see her on tv my thought is that she is only a parvenue, the woman who wants to be a princess, maybe a queen, and that behaves in a way that she thinks to be "princely" or "royal".
I see her on tv, and I see a woman who watchs otherpeople with a feeling of superiority; she rarely talks, always in French even if to the Italian medias.
I think she is the missing half of him, and him of her: they complete each other, she has the calm, the rationality, somehow the intelligence he misses; somehow she can "control" him, she has a great power on him, but she doesn't use this power always in the better way.
I repeat: this is only an opinion of mine, maybe wrong; but I hope to have helped you.

Tosca 12-02-2009 10:41 AM

Prince Vittorio Emanuele and Princess Marina at the christening of little Fabrizio, the son of Marquis Paolo dal Pozzo with wife Claudia.

DIVAeDONNA

amedea 12-02-2009 04:30 PM

Is it the dal Pozzo d'Annone family? The article reports some details on the family and on the place of the christening? The two in the pic are the parents of the child?

Tosca 12-03-2009 10:03 AM

:previous: The caption doesn't say much, apart from the name of the kid's parents. They just mention the Marquis and Marquise Dal Pozzo. The ceremony took place at San Francesco di Paola's in Via Manzoni in Milan.

iceflower 12-15-2009 02:27 AM

Vanessa Von Zitwitz, Princess Marina of Savoy and Princess Ruspoli
attend 'The Best Awards 2009' hosted by Massimo Gargia at Salon
Hoche on December 14, 2009 in Paris, France.


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maria-olivia 12-15-2009 06:14 AM

MAfan , 40 years ago I was in a finishing school in Oxford. Amoung the students we had Marie Beatrice di Sarre (Savoie) she shared her appartment with Alda Doria, Marina's sister.

MAfan 12-15-2009 08:55 AM

Thanks Maria-Olivia, that's interesting and quite curious; Count of Sarre was the title choosen by King Umberto II to use during his exile, although he was usually known as King of Italy ("O Rey de Italia" among the people of Cascais).

MAfan 12-17-2009 04:17 AM

HRH Princess Maria Gabriella of Savoy gave an interview to the blog AltezzaReale, about the Foundation "Umberto II e Maria José of Savoy", that She created to collect all the heirlooms linked to House Savoy (pictures, dresses, paintings, old newspapers, letters, books and documents) and to her ancestors, included some heirlooms belonged to Her Grandfather King Albert I of the Belgians (His eyeglasses, a wisp of hair, His first vest, showed in the second picture).
Then She talked about Her nephew Emanuele Filiberto and of his lifestyle, that She disagree with because "he takes advantage of his, of our name", and She reasserted Her support to the claims of Prince Amedeo and his descendants to the Headship of the Royal Family, and that's the reason, she explained, due to she has given as a present to the little Prince Umberto the chevaliere (a small ring with tngraved the coat of arms of the Royal Family) belonged to the late King.
Finally the Princess was asked about the new generations of Royals, among whom She appreciates Mathilde and Philippe of Belgium, "a very close couple, nice, united, and they work together for their country"; later she talked about Her royal connections and friends, among whom the King of Spain, the Duke of Lugo ("a very kind person"), King Fouad of Egypt, the Duke of Bragança, the Orleans. She ended the interview with a nice anecdote of the Christmas time when the Italian, French and Spanish Royals lived quite close in Portugal, and they used to spend the Christmas eve "chez les Barcelonne" (the family of the Count and Countess of Barcelona, parents of the present King of Spain), the Christmas day "chez les Paris" (the Count and Countess of Paris and their 11 children) and the Epiphany day all together "chez les italiens".

Here is the link to the interview (in italian).


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