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Lia 11-07-2003 01:50 PM

News from the Spanish Nobility
 
I'm sorry to ask my guestion under the Royal Family of Spain but i did not know where to write it so here it goes .Today i got Hola magazine that was dated 30th of Octomber.While looking at pictures etc i saw pictures of a wedding, it was page 63.On that page i saw a woman named Nati Abascal.Who is she?She is very familiar to me, i think i have seen pictures before but i don't know.Also in the picture she is with her two sons.....very good looking especially one named Luis :heart: :heart: ......Any info on them too??One of her sons Rafael has a title of duque de Feria y marques de villalba.Any pictures availiable?What is their connection to the Royal Family?Thank you

Perillos 11-07-2003 08:50 PM

Nati Abascal is the ex-wife of the late Duque de Feria - the one who went to prison for kidnapping.

USCtrojan 11-07-2003 09:33 PM

For some reason I thought that the duke de Feria had daughters, but, now that I think of it he has sons.... do we have any pictures?

Also the Duquesa de Medinacelli has two granddaughters, her eldest sons daughters, one named Victoria Euginia I believe and the other I can't remember, do we have any photos of them? Were they candidates for the Prince of Astrius?

Please help.

Chanel

Josefine 04-06-2005 08:23 AM

can someone help us with these quastians

Elsa M. 04-07-2005 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chanel
For some reason I thought that the duke de Feria had daughters, but, now that I think of it he has sons.... do we have any pictures?

Yes, Nati Abascal is indeed the ex-wife of the duke of Feria and she has two sons: Rafael and Luis.
Here you have a couple of photos of them. The first one is from the funeral of her mother, Natividad Romero Noriega, where you can see her accompanied by the eldest son, Rafael.

Mahoogie 09-13-2005 10:15 AM

Hola!..I know all the members of Rey Juan Carlos' familia but I'm not familiar with the other members of the Spanish familia real (their extended family), therefore, I am asking anyone who knows here especially the spanish members about the Dukesa de Alba ( Duchess of Alba)...coz I always see her at Spanish news..Is she a de Bourbon?..I think she's a popular figure in Spain as I always see her on celebrity news..I just cant understand the news about her coz the show is in spontaneous Spanish language..

rchainho 09-13-2005 10:21 AM

2 different things. Two royals houses (casa del rey and casa de los alba).

lula 09-13-2005 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mahoogie
Hola!..I know all the members of Rey Juan Carlos' familia but I'm not familiar with the other members of the Spanish familia real (their extended family), therefore, I am asking anyone who knows here especially the spanish members about the Dukesa de Alba ( Duchess of Alba)...coz I always see her at Spanish news..Is she a de Bourbon?..I think she's a popular figure in Spain as I always see her on celebrity news..I just cant understand the news about her coz the show is in spontaneous Spanish language..

The Duchess of Alba is neither member of the Royal Family nor a Borbón. She is the most important aristocrat of Spain, is one of the women with more pertaining to nobility titles of the world, and a good fortune. Alba's Duchy has an antiquity of centuries.

lula 09-13-2005 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rchainho
2 different things. Two royals houses (casa del rey and casa de los alba).

Los Alba they are not a Royal House, are a Ducal House. In Spain it is not the same thing. The Spanish aristocracy has dukes, counts and Marquesses. But the Kings are over all of them.

Juanita 09-13-2005 10:35 AM

The duchess of Alba has 35 nobiliary headings.
Jaime Peñafiel criticized the simple fact of the Duchess of Alba to have done a courtesy to Letizia in the previous night to the real marriage, because in this night letizia was not princess and the duchess of alba kneel itself before the granddaughter of a taxi driver.

Mahoogie 09-13-2005 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lula
The Duchess of Alba is neither member of the Royal Family nor a Borbón. She is the most important aristocrat of Spain, is one of the women with more pertaining to nobility titles of the world, and a good fortune. Alba's Duchy has an antiquity of centuries.

Oh, she's a Spanish aristocrat..Lula, thanks for that information..Its interesting to know that there are famous Spanish aristocrats..I have heard that Infanta Elena's esposo, Jaime de Marichalar, is an aristocrat,I think he's a son of a duke-something like that..

rchainho 09-13-2005 10:48 AM

She is over all of them (Queen Elizabeth has to make the curtsy to her).:)

lula 09-13-2005 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mahoogie
Oh, she's a Spanish aristocrat..Lula, thanks for that information..Its interesting to know that there are famous Spanish aristocrats..I have heard that Infanta Elena's esposo, Jaime de Marichalar, is an aristocrat,I think he's a son of a duke-something like that..

Jaime de Marichalar is a son of the Counts of Ripalda, his father died and today in day the Count of Ripalda is the major brother of Jaime.
The majority of the titles of the aristocracy have centuries of the Antiquity, the Kings were delivering them to the persons who were serving to the state, in the past one was giving the title and a few properties.

At present it has got lost. The King delivers titles of an honorific way, but that do not go I obtain neither no property nor economic benefit. The titles they are delivered to persons who do a service to the (state. For example, prime ministers, the exchief of the Royas House or persons that it is considered that they do big contributions to the culture, how the Nobel prize Camilo Jose Cela.
The titles were inherited the major son male, until this year that the law has changed. The Duchess of Alba inherited it because she was the only daughter.

lula 09-13-2005 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rchainho
She is over all of them (Queen Elizabeth has to make the curtsy to her).:)

It they are bilges that some journalists say how Peñafiel, but it is not true.
She has very much titles, but the title of major range is that of duchess and therefore the Kings and Princes are over her. In the protocol the place it does not give the number of titles but the importance of these.

Lady Marmalade 09-15-2005 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rchainho
She is over all of them (Queen Elizabeth has to make the curtsy to her).:)

Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth, would never curtsey to anyone. She is a queen...maybe not of Spain, but nonetheless a queen. She, or any HRH, HGDH, HIH, HH, HSH, do not curtsey to anyone who is not royal without the titular dignity of such. There is a big difference between being royal and aristocratic like the Duchess of Alba, no matter how old or how many titles she has.

Toledo 04-04-2006 11:03 PM

The De Alba family seems sometimes like the secondary royal family in Spain, without being royals.

crisiñaki 04-04-2006 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toledo
The De Alba family seems sometimes like the secondary royal family in Spain, without being royals.

Well, they are practically the last aristocracy left in Spain and their lifes have been plagued by scandals (unlike the RF:rolleyes: ;) ) so the tabloids adore them and they are every week in the media one way or another

fanletizia 04-05-2006 07:56 AM

Cover of "Hola" magazine this week,

https://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4791/23yg2.th.jpg

sesa 04-05-2006 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fanletizia
Cover of "Hola" magazine this week,

meaning no disrespect, but tis this what happens when you have too much plastic surgery? Or maybe, not enough? Wow! She used to be incredibly beautiful!

Anna_R 04-05-2006 07:46 PM

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magnik 04-06-2006 02:00 PM

O.K. What we know about the other members of the Spanish Nobility?

RhapsodyBrat 05-10-2006 03:03 AM

yeah...and how about the family that produces the Alvaro Domecq wines? I've read somewhere that they are members of the Spanish nobility too. ;)

Kelly 05-11-2006 06:20 PM

Going back to the de Alba family, what is their relation to the SRF? And would the other Borbon side be considered nobility or royalty?(the ones that claim the french throne [if it ever comes back])

crisiñaki 05-11-2006 06:43 PM

The Borbon Two-Siciles family is consider royalty, Louis Alphonse de Borbon is not consider royalty, I think when his father died the Duke of Cadiz title merged with the crown and KJC hasn't given it to him, besides the Orleans are the true claimants of the French Throne aren't they?

Kelly 05-11-2006 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisiñaki
The Borbon Two-Siciles family is consider royalty, Louis Alphonse de Borbon is not consider royalty, I think when his father died the Duke of Cadiz title merged with the crown and KJC hasn't given it to him, besides the Orleans are the true claimants of the French Throne aren't they?

That was were i was confused. I thought the Orleans were the true claimants of the French throne. I read though that Luis was created Duke Anjou and therefore considered himself the heir to the french throne.:confused:

crisiñaki 05-11-2006 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly
That was were i was confused. I thought the Orleans were the true claimants of the French throne. I read though that Luis was created Duke Anjou and therefore considered himself the heir to the french throne.:confused:

He was never created Duke of Anjou, the only title he can ever claim would be the Duke of Cadiz but as I stated before it merged with the crown, thus he has no claim on either spanish or french thrones even if some people says he's the senior male member of the senior branch of the Spanish Borbon.

the King of Spain is Juan Carlos de Borbon; the true claimants of the French Throne are the Orleans and he won't be able to change that

Kelly 05-11-2006 06:58 PM

This is where I got that info:
https://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis-Alfonso_de_Borbon%2C_Duke_of_Anjou

go to search for the article and click on the first one they give you. Sorry couldn't do direct link for some reason.

crisiñaki 05-11-2006 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly
This is where I got that info:
https://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis-Alfonso_de_Borbon%2C_Duke_of_Anjou

go to search for the article and click on the first one they give you. Sorry couldn't do direct link for some reason.

Well, Wikipedia is not the most reliable source of the world, 'cuz everyone can write and change things there, but don't worry I used to believe everything on it as well;):D

adelaide 05-12-2006 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisiñaki
He was never created Duke of Anjou, the only title he can ever claim would be the Duke of Cadiz but as I stated before it merged with the crown, thus he has no claim on either spanish or french thrones even if some people says he's the senior male member of the senior branch of the Spanish Borbon.

the King of Spain is Juan Carlos de Borbon; the true claimants of the French Throne are the Orleans and he won't be able to change that

Crisiñaki, you are totaly right, actually the situation is exactly as you said.

magnik 05-12-2006 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly
Going back to the de Alba family, what is their relation to the SRF?

Here are few relationship:by marriage
https://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...=0&color=&et=M
and ancestors
https://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...=0&color=&et=A

Elsa M. 09-05-2006 04:00 PM

Here’s part of an interview given by Don José Miguel Flores de Lizaur to Diogo Pereira, from the Portuguese Jornal Fonte Nova:
https://www.jornalfontenova.com/index...219&Itemid=130


The Castle of Seguras bellongs to Don José Miguel Carrillo de Albornoz y Muñóz de Sam Pedro Montijano y Flores de Lizaur, the heir of Doña Branca, Viscontess de Torre y Hidalgo and grandson of the Count de Canilleiros (who was the father of the new modern Historiography of Extremadura).
Jose Miguel is graduated in Law and works as an exhibition commissioner, an art investments councillor, a subscriber of the first World’s insurance company of arts for Spain, Portugal and Latin America and a writer.

D.P. - José Miguel, how is it to live in a castle, in 21st century?
J.M. – Well, it’s very agreeable, certainly very different from back in the centuries. A castle, in the 21st century, has central heating systems, canalized water, light, television, telephone, Internet, swimming pool... A castle is a great house, with thicker walls and normally with deeper familiar experiences.

D.P. – What does a nobleman live in Spain of?
J.M. - Some noblemen live of their incomes, others work… In Spain, there’s a bit of everything among the nobility, there’s people who keep large estates (like the Dukes of Alba, Medinaceli, Osuna, Infantado, Terra Nova, the Countess of Canilleros, etc), but most of them live of its work.

D.P. – What relations do you (or the nobility in general) have with the Power, be it central, regional or local?
J.M. - With the central power we do not have any institutional connection. In Spain we do not have a Court since Don Juan Carlos re-established the Monarchy; there are no chamber men (like it usually happened in the previous Courts) and this dictates that the nobles do not have a specific function among the society. I think that it was a great loss for the society. The nobility nowadays has more a role of conserving the historical memory of the times that have passed. At the level of the central power, there’s already a few noblemen who “allow” a group of politicians to join them, and appearing next to renowned people pleases many politicians. It’s at the local level that there is a bigger interaction however, because the noblemen usually come from culturally excellent families, who have had some kind of involvement in this or that kind of power. What’s clear is that they count on us for the relevant local affairs; in Cáceres they normally count on me.

D.P.- How’s your relation with Portugal, being you a border Spaniard?
J.M. - I have always had very good relations with Portugal and the Portuguese. As a matter of fact, I like Portugal very much. There’s only a little sad memory, since this castle was smashed by D. Nuno Álvares Pereira… but I do not keep any resentment… I passed great part of my vacations in Estoril. I am a personal friend of many important Portuguese people, I met great part of the Portuguese high society, the noble families, the Duke of Bragança, his wife and children, many families from Beiras, who continue receiving in the very way it used to be in the 19th century and that is now disappeared, except for a small part of Europe. I continue thinking it is a privilege to live in Portugal.

D.P. - I know that you’ve just concluded two books very recently and that you are going to publish them. Can you speak a bit of them?
J.M. - I have written mainly about the 15th century, my last published book is about Doña Juana, la Beltraneja (D.ª Juana of Castile, D. Joana of Portugal), the wife of Don Afonso V, which I am trying to publish now in Portugal. One of my new books is a story of 18th century, the story of the first wife of the first Borbón – Felipe V. The other will be released later on and it is about her Lady in Waiting, Marie Anne of le Tremoille – Princess of Ursinos, Princess Widower of Chalais (1st husband), Duchess Widower of Bracciano (2nd husband) – a French Lady with a great politic elegance and an enormous sense of State. She lived in Spain between 1701 and 1714.
[...]


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Redferns 09-05-2006 05:30 PM

Duchess of Alba (80) in Ibiza this summer :ohmy:
https://img455.imageshack.us/img455/1043/505998pt7.jpg
source: 20 minutos

magnik 09-05-2006 05:35 PM

Almost year by year she has photos like this one. Nothing new for me. But when I saw her for the very first time like this I was shocked - so old woman in bikini!!!:wacko: But now...:punk:

ladejesus 09-05-2006 08:55 PM

She is definitely a brave woman.:flowers: For a woman of her age she looks pretty good. If she wants to wear a bikini, more power to her.:clap:

Marengo 09-12-2006 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perillos
Nati Abascal is the ex-wife of the late Duque de Feria - the one who went to prison for kidnapping.

could anybody tell the story of this kidnapping? I am totally unfamiliar with it. How did the former duke die?

Elsa M. 09-14-2006 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marengo
could anybody tell the story of this kidnapping? I am totally unfamiliar with it. How did the former duke die?

Rafael Medina y Fernández de Córdoba, the Duke of Féria and son of one of the women with more noble titles in Spain (the Duchess of Medinaceli), was involved in a great scandal of drug traffic, kidnapping and child abuse in 1993, being condemned to 18 years in jail, for kidnapping and photographing an undressed five-year-old girl.
He died in Seville, apparently by natural causes, although some press has daid he had commited suicide.

Elsa M. 11-02-2006 03:13 PM

https://www.elsemanaldigital.com/arts/58522.asp?tt=

The new law on succession of noble titles was signed by the King and published last Tuesday in BOE.
Until now, men heirs prevailed over women, but things have changed. Isabel de Hoyos, Natalia Figueroa and Ágatha Ruiz de la Prada were among the main fighters for this cause, since they have maintained litigations for the possession of noble titles.


https://actualidad.terra.es/sociedad/...er_1180152.htm

The titles of the Heir to the Throne and those of the Royal House are excluded from the new regulation, since they are governed by its own norm.


https://www.boe.es/g/es/bases_datos/d...69&txtlen=1000

Titles inherited before July 27 2005 (when the law was presented to the Cortes) cannot be retroactively challenged.

Empress 11-02-2006 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rchainho
She is over all of them (Queen Elizabeth has to make the curtsy to her).:)

Why would the Queen of England (Who carries the title YOUR MAJESTY) curtsey to someone whose highest title is Your Grace in English? I can not believe this.

Marcus 11-04-2006 11:34 AM

About Nati Abascal a funny thing about her is that she was an actress in a Woody Allen film!! :lol:
She starred along the New York genius himself in his 1971 film Bananas. She played the role of Yolanda and had some funny scenes with Woody. So if yor are a fan of Mr Allen go and rent the movie and will have the bonus of seeing a real life duchess on the screen.

Redferns 11-11-2006 05:58 PM

Count of Salvatierra, Cayetano Martínez de Irujo attends the premiere for Goyas Ghosts at Palacio de la Musica cinema November 7, 2006 in Madrid, Spain
https://editorial.gettyimages.com/sou...%7c0&p=3&tag=2

https://www.hola.com/cine/2006/11/08/...genoveva-a.jpg
https://www.hola.com/cine/2006/11/08/...cayetano-a.jpg

lula 11-18-2006 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redferns
Count of Salvatierra, Cayetano Martínez de Irujo attends the premiere for Goyas Ghosts at Palacio de la Musica cinema November 7, 2006 in Madrid, Spain

More photos and a video, Eugenia Martinez de Irujo was there, too.

https://www.especialeshf.com/10minuto/fantasmasgoya/

lula 11-18-2006 10:36 AM

https://www.diezminutos.orange.es/carticulos/163646.html

Carlos and Alicia already can marry

Carlos Fitz-James Stuart and Matilde Solís already have the matrimonial nullity.
The Interdiocesan Court of Seville pronounced the definitive sentence on October 26.
It finishes this way a process that Matilde initiated in February, 2005, five years after separating.
The duke of Huéscar might marry this way Alicia Koplowitz - who also obtained the annulment of her marriage with Alberto Cortina, close to whom she had three children-.

lula 11-18-2006 10:38 AM

Eugenia Martinez de Irujo, Duchess of Montoro, in the party of the Magazine Elle.

https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/pre...e/viaje_18.jpg
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/pre...e/viaje_19.jpg
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/pre...e/viaje_20.jpg
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/pre...e/viaje_21.jpg
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/pre...ada/tous_3.jpg
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/pre...trada/tous.jpg
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/pre...genia_rosa.jpg
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/pre...nia_susana.jpg
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/pre..._eugenia_1.jpg
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/pre...na_eugenia.jpg

crisiñaki 11-18-2006 11:25 AM

Hey Lula, was Gonzalo with Eugenia in that party?
Thanks in advance;)

lula 11-18-2006 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisiñaki
Hey Lula, was Gonzalo with Eugenia in that party?
Thanks in advance;)

Not, he was not ;)

Gonzalo Miro and Eugenia Martínez de Irujo were in the Sony Ericsson feminine Championship

https://www.hola.com/famosos/2006/11/...eugenia-2a.jpg

Princess of Monaco 11-18-2006 12:53 PM

Infanta Leonor can reign in Spain
 
Is true???

I read a link when mention not exist the preference between male and female??

https://actualidad.terra.es/sociedad/...er_1180152.htm

Is that true Infanta Leonor can has the Queen of Spain?

magnik 11-18-2006 01:00 PM

Can anyone translate it?

lula 11-18-2006 02:52 PM

It does not have any relation.
The Wreath and the succession to the Wreath are governed by the Constitution. This law only governs the succession in the titles of the nobility.
The Monarchy is a thing and a different the nobility.

lula 11-25-2006 05:17 AM

https://www.fuerteventuradigital.com/...24&hora=171905

Alicia Koplowitz receives the French Legion of Honor

Alicia Koplowitz, Marquise of Bellavista, received yesterday on Thursday in Madrid, the Medal of the French Legion of Honor of hands of the ambassador of France in Spain, Claude Blanchemaison .

The medal has been granted her by the French government as recognition of her managerial path, of her social labor and her special relation by France. Alicia Koplowitz is a chairwoman of Omega and of the Foundation Alicia Koplowitz, member of the Council of L " Union Centre des Arts Décoratifs "UCAD", of the patronage of the University King Juan Carlos, of the Council of the Peres Center for Peace and from the International Council of Tate Gallery, the vocal of the patronage of the Foundation of Support to the History of the Hispanic Art, as well as member of honor of the Museum Gugghenheim of Bilbao. Also there has been granted to her the Great Cross of the Civil Merit.

The French ambassador emphasized in his speech the importance of Alicia Koplowittz in the world of the company, as well as her great personal discretion and her great love to France. " Country which she has been very joined from her infancy and the one that continues demonstrating a great fondness ".

The Gentleman's medal of the Legion of French Honor is the maximum distinction granted by the French government.

Photo
https://www.fuerteventuradigital.com/...1124171905.jpg

lula 11-25-2006 09:11 AM

Eugenia Martinez de Irujo attends the Marie Clare Awards at the French Embassy
November 22, 2006 in Madrid, Spain.

https://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/7263...1E7EC1A351FC8B

https://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/7263...6BF04B24B4128C

magnik 11-26-2006 01:55 PM

Eugenia looked elegant.

Thanks again lula:flowers:

lula 11-26-2006 02:07 PM

20 Anniversary of the magazine Elle

The Duchess of Alba with the designers Vittorio and Lucchino
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/20a...s/amigos_3.jpg

The Duchess with a magazine Elle with her daughter Eugenia in the front page
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/20a...loveyou_47.jpg

magnik 11-26-2006 02:59 PM

I don't recognize Eugenia on the cover.

lula 11-26-2006 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnik
I don't recognize Eugenia on the cover.

Here you have the interview of Eugenia (Elle july 2006)
https://www.elle.orange.es/reportajes/144719.html

and the photos
https://www.especialeshf.com/elle/galerias_2006/eugenia/

magnik 11-26-2006 04:04 PM

Thanks again my dear:flowers:

Btw. ¡Feliz cumpleaños to Eugenia!

lula 12-17-2006 07:48 AM

https://www.hola.com/noticias-de-actu...12-2006/44331/

Eugenia Martínez de Irujo and Gonzalo Miro give themselves kisses to the pace of the music

The daughter of the duchess of Alba, Eugenia Martínez de Irujo and Gonzalo Miro they were present on Saturday night at the show of delivery of the Principal Prizes 2006 organized by the radio station " The 40 Principales " in the Palace of Sports of the Community of Madrid. Gonzalo, manager of delivering one of the prizes, came to the show garment in rigorous black whereas Eugenia chose one more gown of sport for the act. The couple that put before the beginning of the show, hesitated not even a moment at the moment of kissing publicly.

https://www.hola.com/musica/2006/12/1...cipales8-a.jpg
https://www.hola.com/musica/2006/12/1...cipales9-a.jpg

Elsa M. 01-17-2007 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elsa M.
The new law on succession of noble titles was signed by the King and published last Tuesday in BOE. Until now, men heirs prevailed over women, but things have changed.

https://www.elconfidencialdigital.com...IdObjeto=10372

The legal change, by which men's succession to noble titles no longer will prevails over women, is raising much criticism, except among those who will be benefited by the change. A few days ago, a stormy meeting of the "Diputación de la Grandeza" (the organism that agglutinates the elite of the Spanish noblemen) was held in Madrid, in order to debate the legislative modification. According to some of the protagonists, that law "loads the system of noble titles in Spain".

Also according to some sources, Pedro J. Ramirez (director of El Mundo) was in the center of the blamings, because his wife (Ágatha Ruiz de la Prada) was one of the most outstanding figures fighting for this change and now she will inherit the title and become "Grande de España".

Redferns 03-01-2007 06:45 AM

Duquesa de Montoro
https://estaticos01.cache.el-mundo.ne..._1/portada.jpg
https://estaticos01.cache.el-mundo.ne..._1/eugenia.jpg
https://estaticos01.cache.el-mundo.ne...ezcentimos.jpg

zarat 05-03-2007 04:31 PM

Sevilla: La duquesa de Alba deberá pagar 6.000 euros al SOC por llamarlo «gentuza». diariosur.es
The court of justice of Sevilla has fined the duchess of Alba for having insulted her workers. She has to paid a fine of 6 000 eur.

lula 08-11-2007 07:07 AM

VIDEO
La Duquesa de Alba reivindica su derecho a descansar en verano - 20minutos.es

The Duchess of Alba claims her right to rest in summer

The Duchess of Alba enjoys these days of the coast in Marbella, where one week ago met her daughter, Eugenia Martínez de Irujo.

Cayetana went out to have lunch with her inseparable friend, Carmen Tello, wife of the bullfighter Curro Romero, and her little dog.

At her arrival to the restaurant, the Duchess asked to the press if every day they were going to record her, since " in summer they have all right to resting, and some of they of them do not understand it ".
....

lula 08-11-2007 07:11 AM

Eugenia Martínez de Irujo in Ibiza with her daughter Cayetana

Cayetana Martinez de Irujo sigue en Ibiza con su hija Cayetana - Agencia Prisma

lula 08-11-2007 07:15 AM

Eugenia Silva, love for a Borbón

The pretty model goes out for months with Alfonso, son of Alfonso de Borbón and Marisa Yoldi. The couple demonstrated her passion in the beaches of Ibiza

EUGENIA SILVA, AMOR POR UN BORBÓN

lula 08-11-2007 07:29 AM

Rafael Medina, Duke of Feria, and his brother, Luis Medina with his girlfriend Alejandra Rojas, daughter of the Countess of Montarco, with Pierre Casiraghi in Formentera

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Marengo 08-11-2007 08:26 AM

Pierre has his hand in a most unfortunate position in the last picture. I assume Rafael is the one on the complete right, who obviously enjoys his time in the gym.

lula 08-12-2007 11:41 AM

RAFAEL Y LUIS, LOS HIJOS DE NATY ABASCAL, LOS ÚNICOS ESPAÑOLES ENTRE LOS CINCUENTA MEJOR VESTIDOS DEL MUNDO

RAFAEL AND LUIS, THE CHILDREN OF NATY ABASCAL, THE SPANISH ONLY ONES BETWEEN THE FIFTIES BEST DRESSED IN THE WORLD

The magazine Vanity fair has published annual list in which, between others, they share honor with George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie or Nicolás Sarkozy
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Gallery of photos
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lula 08-12-2007 03:47 PM

La hija pequeña de Esther Koplowitz, Carmen Alcocer, se ha casado con Juan Losada Hernan

The little daughter of Esther Koplowitz, Carmen Alcocer, has married Juan Losada Hernan

THE CEREMONY TOOK PLACE IN THE HOUSE OF THE MOTHER OF THE FIANCÉE

It was one of the most awaited events. Last Sunday, the third daughter of the businesswoman Esther Koplowitz and Alberto Alcocer, Carmen, married the economist Juan Losada Hernan.
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lula 08-13-2007 06:15 PM

Eugenia Martínez de Irujo in Formentera

EUGENIA, LA DUQUESA DE MON-TODOS

lula 08-13-2007 06:21 PM

The duchess of Alba, in the bulls

The duchess of Alba, Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart, faithful lover of the bulls, represented yesterday together with the mayor of Malaga, Francisco de la Torre, to the bullfight of the Fair of Malaga, which was celebrated in the bullring of the Malagueta.

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lula 09-16-2007 06:19 AM

diariodesevilla.es -*tu información en tiempo real

Alba's House will expose its better works of art in Sevilla

For the first time in Andalusia, Alba's House will show in the Museum of Fine arts of Sevilla, between September and December, 2009, a selection of the improvements works of art of its impressive collection of painting, with pieces that they go from the 15th century until beginning of the XXth. Pictures of Goya, Murillo, Tiziano, El Greco, Rubens, Go Dyck, There go Loo, Mengs, Fra Angelico and Veronés, between others, they will be able to be seen in this appointment that will be celebrated in the room of temporary exhibitions of the Sevillian art gallery.

The works will come in the main from Liria's Palace of Madrid, though also there might be someone of the Dueñas´Sevillian Palace, as some Mariano Benlliure's sculpture, as reported yesterday sources of the Council of Culture of Andalucia and Cajasol, financial institution who will finance the sample to equal parts with the Meeting. For her part, current holder of the Duchy of Alba, Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart, takes part in the project of a totally disinterested way.
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lula 09-22-2007 04:48 PM

CIBELES FASHION WEEK

Fernando Martínez de Irujo greets Roberto Torretta
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Eugenia Martínez de Irujo
https://www.hola.com/famosos/2007/09/...nezirujo-a.jpg

Olivia de Borbón
https://www.hola.com/famosos/2007/09/...iaborbon-a.jpg

princess leonor 09-23-2007 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lula (Post 670616)
CIBELES FASHION WEEK

Fernando Martínez de Irujo greets Roberto Torretta
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Eugenia Martínez de Irujo
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Olivia de Borbón
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Lula, can you maybe tell me who Olivia de Borbon is? I've never really heard of her :ohmy:. Is she related to the spanish royal family?

lula 09-23-2007 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by princess leonor (Post 670919)
Lula, can you maybe tell me who Olivia de Borbon is? I've never really heard of her :ohmy:. Is she related to the spanish royal family?

She is the daughter of Francisco de Paula de Borbón y Escafany, Duch of Sevilla (second or third cousin of the King) and Beatriz von Hardenberg Zü Furstenberg. She became sadly famous for taking part in a reality show :wacko:.

madeleine victoria 09-23-2007 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lula (Post 652229)

I didn't know that Spain has so many members of nobility just like in England. :ermm:

crisiñaki 09-24-2007 01:23 AM

OMG, the Medina brothers are so dreamy, specially Rafael, who's a total hottie and I'm more into blondes but this one is :wub:

Does anyone know if Rafael will inherit the Medinacelli Duchy when his grandma dies?

lula 09-24-2007 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisiñaki (Post 671212)
OMG, the Medina brothers are so dreamy, specially Rafael, who's a total hottie and I'm more into blondes but this one is :wub:

Does anyone know if Rafael will inherit the Medinacelli Duchy when his grandma dies?

Here you have information about the family
Solferino: de MEDINA
https://www.fernandezdecordoba.org/do...a_cordobas.doc

In agreement with this information, the Duchy will be inherited by his uncle Luis, major brother of his father, or even with the current laws his aunt might inherit it. Rafael, supports the title of Duke of Feria that belong to his father.

crisiñaki 09-24-2007 04:20 AM

thanks lula for the info
I have never seen a pic of the oldest Medinacelli son, that's what I was wondering
the aunt can inherit? I thought the nobility in Spain was ruled by salic laws:ermm:.
or has it been changed?

lula 09-24-2007 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisiñaki (Post 671243)
thanks lula for the info
I have never seen a pic of the oldest Medinacelli son, that's what I was wondering
the aunt can inherit? I thought the nobility in Spain was ruled by salic laws:ermm:.
or has it been changed?

I believe that it was last year when the government changed the law in order that the women had the same rights that the men in the succession to the pertaining to nobility titles.

I believe that in general, except several very mass media nobles as the Family Alba, in Spain there are not known publicly all the nobles who exist. In case of the boys Medina-Abascal they are known because their mother always is of party in party with the famous designers and for the terrible history that their father led.

crisiñaki 09-24-2007 02:25 PM

A lot of "known" people in Spain come from aristocratic families, but they aren't famous because of that

For example Agatha Ruiz de la Prada, Ana Torroja, Mercedes and Lorenzo Mila and others

I think the two "biggest" aristocratic houses are Alba and Medinacelli, the others aren't that much important

madeleine victoria 09-24-2007 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crisiñaki (Post 671463)
A lot of "known" people in Spain come from aristocratic families, but they aren't famous because of that

For example Agatha Ruiz de la Prada, Ana Torroja, Mercedes and Lorenzo Mila and others

I think the two "biggest" aristocratic houses are Alba and Medinacelli, the others aren't that much important

So are the families of Alba and Medinacelli related somewhat to the SRF? I'm not very familiar with Spanish nobility just their royal family. Are the Spanish nobilities own the limelight like the English aristocrats?

Philippe Egalite' 09-25-2007 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madeleine victoria (Post 671178)
I didn't know that Spain has so many members of nobility just like in England. :ermm:

There are zillions of them. The reason that, unlike their British counterparts, they are not known except for the internationally prestigious Alba family and a few more, is that the Spanish nobility has no statutory power whatsoever. Moreover, King Juan Carlos has kept them at bay, which is something the Spanish nobility holds against him, even though nobody dares complain, in view of the fact that the King has brought stability in the country.
in Great Britain, in contrast, the nobility enjoys power through the House of Lords as well as via strong relations with the monarchy.

lula 09-26-2007 01:57 PM

More Cibeles...

Fernando Martínez de Irujo
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Patricia Olmedilla, Duchess of Terranova
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Olivia de Borbón
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tdarlene 10-03-2007 03:27 AM

The Counts of Salvatierra, Don Cayetano Martínez de Irujo (Duchess of Alba son) and doña Genoveva Casanova, annouced that they decided to separate.

LOS CONDES DE SALVATIERRA ANUNCIAN SU SEPARACIÓN A TRAVÉS DE UN COMUNICADO
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lula 10-03-2007 06:58 AM

LA DUQUESA DE ALBA CONFÍA EN QUE LA SEPARACIÓN DE LOS CONDES DE SALVATIERRA SEA 'MOMENTÁNEA'

THE DUCHESS DE ALBA TRUSTS THAT THE SEPARATION OF THE COUNTS DE SALVATIERRA IS 'MOMENTARY'

The first declarations of the Duchess of Alba on the matrimonial break of her son, Cayetano and Genoveva Casanova, reveal the appreciation that she has to her daughter-in-law. Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart when she is asked about the situation that the couple crosses, answered: "Momentarily" what it gives to understand in what she trusts in a near reconciliation.
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lula 10-07-2007 11:34 AM

Interstitial - Noticia

The Great Duke of Alba

Alba's House commemorates the fifth centenary of the birth of the Great Duke of Alba, Fernando Álvarez of Toledo, an inconvinient and controversial figure that has given place to an endless number of false legends. On the occasion of this anniversary Don Jacobo Siruela, son of Dona Cayetana, has decided to re-edit the biography that William Maltby wrote on his forefather, " the most complete and veracious that exists " according to the duke.
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lula 10-07-2007 03:55 PM

La Mañana - De la Casa de Alba a Guimerà

Of Alba's House to Guimerà

20 times Great of Spain, Maria del Rosario Cayetana Fitz-James Stuart y Silva known by the title of Duchess of Alba is, from the last 6th of September, the flaming Countess of Guimerà. The department of Justice has granted it to her to the death of the last Count, Carlos Caro Vázquez, with whom the Duchess of Alba competed for the title in 1969. Guimerà's county goes back year 1599 and though it does not have any practical utility, is a title still longed by the current aristocracy.
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lula 10-08-2007 08:22 AM

THE DUCHESS DE ALBA, INVITED OF HONOR TO THE WEDDING OF THE SON OF RAFAEL DE PAULA

Article
LA DUQUESA DE ALBA, INVITADA DE HONOR A LA BODA DEL HIJO DE RAFAEL DE PAULA

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lula 10-12-2007 05:24 AM

Genoveva Casanova in an act of the Hispanic Society of America in New York

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lula 11-02-2007 07:33 PM

EL ADELANTADO DE SEGOVIA

The duchess of Alba in Segovia

The duchess of Alba visited today in Segovia a new establishment that there has opened her ex-daughter-in-law Maria Eugenia Fernandez of Castro and Fernandez-Shaw, dedicated to clothes, complements and objects of decoration of oriental style, close to the Cathedral.
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lula 11-02-2007 07:38 PM

Alicia Koplowitz, Marquise of Bellavista in the Prizes Prince of Asturias

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lula 11-04-2007 09:52 AM

Genoveva Casanova in an act in honor of the bullfighter Enrique Ponce in Cordoba.

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Redferns 11-05-2007 04:41 PM

Spotlight | Spanish aristocrats lose their glamour | Indiainteracts.com

SPANISH ARISTOCRATS LOSE THEIR GLAMOUR

With all their tax and other privileges (such as that of obtaining a diplomatic passport) having been abolished decades ago, the bearers of hereditary aristocratic titles are "limited to keeping alive the memory of a moment in our historic past," the government said in a 2006 legal bulletin.

The bulletin was announcing a law ending one of the last aristocratic traditions: the first right of sons to inherit titles before daughters.

The aristocracy no longer exists as a class, neither economically, nor socially, nor culturally," said publisher Jacobo Martinez de Irujo, one of the Duchess of Alba's six children
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"Aristocrats cannot even be distinguished for the quality of their education," he told the daily El Pais.

lula 11-07-2007 04:05 AM

The Duchess of Alba is present at the exhibition of wedding dresses in the Museum of the Suit. The Duchess has donated to the museum the dress of her first wedding.

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lula 11-07-2007 04:11 AM

Rafael Medina, Duke of Feria, his brother Luis and his mother Nati Abascal in the act of Boton-Mango Fashion Awards

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Marengo 12-09-2007 04:09 PM

I think that Rafael de Medina is now dating a lady called Genevova de Casanova, is she related to the husband of Archduchess Monika, Don Luis de Casanova, Duke of Sanangelo.

lula 12-09-2007 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Marengo (Post 702929)
I think that Rafael de Medina is now dating a lady called Genevova de Casanova, is she related to the husband of Archduchess Monika, Don Luis de Casanova, Duke of Sanangelo.

Genoveva Casanova is Mexican, and is separated from Cayetano Martínez de Irujo, Count of Salvatierra and son of the Duchess of Alba. She is a friend of Rafael Medina, at this moment, after her separation every man who approaches Genoveva is a supposed boyfriend, but for the present time nothing of nothing is of certainly in this history.;)

lula 01-13-2008 09:11 AM

Marquesa de Santa Cruz: el sentido del deber · ELPAÍS.com

OBITUARY: In the memory of Casilda Silva Bazán

Marquise of Santa Cruz: the sense of the duty

At the age of 93 has died (Saturday, the 5th of January) in Madrid the marquise of Santa Cruz, Casilda Silva Bazán y Fernandez de Henestrosa.

She was an affable and affectionate woman; with character and many personality; intelligent and clever; with a deep sense of the duty. In this aspect, Casilda Santa Cruz was an aristocrat in the fullness of the word. Heiress of ancient lineages, was taking up office as a natural obligation to serve from where she had touched her. Her life is marked by the service to her country, to the Monarchy and her house.
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The Royal Family in a dinner in her Palace in 2006
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...7-post106.html

Regina 01-29-2008 02:22 PM

Dª Eugenia Martinez de Arujo, Madrid, in 1976.

In this picture (scanned by me from the book Once upon a time by Slim Aarons; Abrams, publishers), the daughter of the 18th Duchess of Alba standing before Goya's portrait of the 13th Duchess of Alba.


The 18th Duchess of Alba in a carriage outside the Palacio de Liria where she lives, in Madrid. 1958. (from the same book as above)

lula 03-06-2008 09:56 AM

Cayetano Martinez De Irujo takes his children to the school

Cayetano Martinez De Irujo lleva a sus hijos al colegio - Agencia Prisma

Marengo 03-10-2008 07:46 PM

The Duchess of Medina de Sidonia died 2 days ago:

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Sanlúcar bids farewell to the Duquesa de Medina Sidonia, the Red Duchess

Luisa Isabel Álvarez de Toledo y Maura died at the age of 71 on Friday
The funeral took place in Sanlúcar de Barrameda on Sunday for the Duchess of Medina Sidonia, Luisa Isabel Álvarez de Toledo y Maura, who died at the age of 71 on Friday. The local Town Hall called three days of official mourning and described her death as an ‘irreparable loss.’ An extraordinary council meeting is to take place to name the Duchess an adoptive daughter of Sanlúcar.
Read the entire article here.

magnik 03-11-2008 03:14 PM

Pitty news.


So Leoncio Alonso is now HE 22 Duke de Medina Sidonia, 18 Marques de Villafranca del Bierzo, 19 Marques de los Velez and 3 times a Grandee of Spain and the head of the most importnt ducal house in Spain. The house has a status as a hereditaru title granted in 1445.

Her only daughter is 16 Duchess de Fernandina.
What about title for Gabriel Ernesto the youngest of the late Duchess child?


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